A lot of IM products blow!

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Yes, the title is right, it's not a typo!

probably about 80% of the IM products I have bought and probably many others do in fact blow!

There are a number of products that are really good, the ones where the seller is still maintaining them but there are sooooo many that just get left by the way side!

Is there a list anywhere that shows which product creators have abandoned the product that many people on here have bought?

If not, how about we start one! It might even show some trends about the product creators as well. Maybe, which one's to avoid?!?
#blow #lot #products
  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by DaneFTO View Post

    A lot of IM products blow!
    They're just like vacuum cleaners: some blow, but most suck.

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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    Lexy: Awesome line!

    Dane: Updates are hugely important, you're right. I view MMO content a little like software; version 1, 1.1, 1.2, etc. The industry is dynamic; the information needs also to shift with the times.

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  • Profile picture of the author eac113
    I don't want to wrangle that list but I will suggest a name for it: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      Do you mean they are poorly produced or they don't bring the implied results? Or something else.

      I have purchased some that are amateurishly produced and bring results, and some that look awesome and are old and stale. And some that have been great.
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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    I keep updating the MySpace Cash Avalanche I released in 2004. I'm up to version 10.4. But, for some reason, the downloads and sales have gone way down...
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    • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
      Originally Posted by drewfioravanti View Post

      I keep updating the MySpace Cash Avalanche I released in 2004. I'm up to version 10.4. But, for some reason, the downloads and sales have gone way down...
      Time for you to find a new niche. I'm not sure of the specs of your promotion, but maybe target something out of IM/MMO, and keep building more revenue streams.

      Or the even easier way.... sell more and more products to your backend customer list. They're the ones who will give you all of the money and profits in your business anyway. Do you have a big backend customer list? Are you currently marketing to them?
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by DaneFTO View Post

    Yes, the title is right, it's not a typo!

    probably about 80% of the IM products I have bought and probably many others do in fact blow!

    There are a number of products that are really good, the ones where the seller is still maintaining them but there are sooooo many that just get left by the way side!

    Is there a list anywhere that shows which product creators have abandoned the product that many people on here have bought?

    If not, how about we start one! It might even show some trends about the product creators as well. Maybe, which one's to avoid?!?
    Funny, I would say the opposite from my experience. That is 80% have been good with about 20% 'blowing'.
    Maybe, you are NOT being selective and researching before you buy. There are good ones out there.



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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    If you were just a little smart and a little creative and a little ambitious you'd be able to come up with all the so called secrets the WSO barkers are selling on your own.

    You're in one of the most robust markets for online information products in the world. You need to look at two things. The first one is what questions are the newer members asking on this board. You DO NOT need to start a thread asking what's bothering them or what they fear or how they made their first dollar or any such nonsense. The answers you'll find in those threads are not accurate. Just take real the pulse of the forum by looking at the barrage of sincere questions that show up here every single day.

    For example, there must be more than 1000 individual threads with people asking how to choose a niche. To me this is an absolutely stupid simple thing but I'm not the typical marketer. The people holding credit cards in their hot little hands want this info. They believe there's some freakin magic trick to to picking a nighe. So give it to them.

    The second thing you can do is go to the WSO forum and look at the threads that have lots of replies and have been bumped numerous times. You know they're successful so take a clue from them. You might even buy a few of those WSOs. Not so much to use the "done for you dirty little Ninja secrets on autopilot" methods they suggest but to see the kind of stuff that sells consistently. So even if you buy a "bomb" it's really a gem because it shows you what's selling, what the buyers want. Remember, something I think sucks is someone else's treasure.

    This ain't exactly rocket science.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      There's a lot of money to be made online by blowing and sucking.

      A lot depends on how you put your tools to use.

      But I agree there's a big problem with a product being brought out, hot stuff for a bit, and then it is abandoned to the gutter in favor of the newest toy.

      If everyone just didn't want that shiny new object!

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      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
        IMO, starting a list based on subjective judgments by folks who have widely varying experience and understanding of the subject of IM is not a good idea.

        As you can read above, someone thinks 80% of products stink and another thinks 80% of products are great. Obviously, there's a wide difference and of course they haven't sampled the same products or have the same past experiences.

        As Raydal says, let's keep reviews in the review section.

        I can just see a competitor trashing someone's hard work in a review just for the sake of making a product creator look bad.

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      • Profile picture of the author Joel Young
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        There's a lot of money to be made online by blowing and sucking.

        A lot depends on how you put your tools to use.
        *In my best George Takei voice* Ohh myyy....
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    • Profile picture of the author tonyrichy
      U hit it on the head man!
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Originally Posted by DaneFTO View Post

    Yes, the title is right, it's not a typo!
    There are a number of products that are really good, the ones where the seller is still maintaining them but there are sooooo many that just get left by the way side!
    There is already a section of the forum that is dedicated to blowers.

    Internet Marketing Product Reviews & Ratings

    -Ray Edwards

    P.S. Or suckers as the case may be.
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  • Profile picture of the author eaw44f
    Im my opnion, they are some products that are better than others. I find that alot of people say everything is a scam or does not work simply because the person making those claims did not put enough effort in to see results. I cannot speak for all products just the products I have purchased in the past. Some are great and informative some leave key details out.
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  • Profile picture of the author cupcakemonster
    I'm just getting into info products (I know, I'm a late bloomer) and not in the IM niche but I just bought 2 in my niche and they really, really suck. I have free content that's better than what I've paid $45 and $30 respectively for. And they seem to sell quite well, judging by their gravity score on CB. Maybe people have low standards for info products?
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  • Profile picture of the author Edwin Torres
    Nope I don't think there is a list of abandoned products.

    And I totally agree with you when you say 80% of IM products blow. A lot of them are just rehashed crap you can find anywhere else.

    To avoid buying a bad product always see if there are reviews of it online. I don't trust YouTube videos because 99% of them are other marketers hyping the product up.

    Another thing is, if it sounds too good to be true it probably is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    There is money to be earned with abandoned products. One of my mainstays in this business is converting abandoned products to active products for the original product creators. Mostly older PHP applications to work with the newest versions of MySQL and cPanel. Most of the honest creators of the older products tell their clients that the product has reached the end of a lifespan and those same are given a discounted price or free access to the newly renamed product. One of the honest marketers is John "Turbo" Delavera who created and upscaled TurboMemberShip 1 > TurboMembership 2 > and DELAVO, plus many supported addons.

    So, there are lots of products that may have been abandoned completely for different reasons, but there are also lots of products that that were abandoned only to be upscaled with a new name.

    The point is.. due diligence. Buy from honest marketers with a long track record, instead of buying the "dream" from marketers that you have no knowledge of.

    Once you learn 'who is who' in this business and buy from the good guys, i.e. honest marketers, the chances of turning your 80% of bad purchases into a much lower percentage will increase.

    Jeffery 100% :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author seoboyz01
    If you're talking about IM as in how to products, then that sounds about right. I don't buy or read IM products as most are rehashes of past content.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicolasmd2112
    I think that most people formulate their opinions about these products way to early. Mostly because they're looking for magic button to push that will make them a crap ton of money in one day. When that doesn't happen, and they don't see results within their attention span worth of effort, they quit all efforts and give the product a bad review. Impatience and ignorance is to blame, and i can testify to it because i'm guilty of it also.
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    • Profile picture of the author nicolasmd2112
      Originally Posted by Cosmit View Post

      the problem is youre still buying them
      Precisely. Instead, taking action and sticking with a method is recommended.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Loftis
    I agree that 80% of the products I've purchased (mainly WSO's) have been very good. Research before buying???
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  • Profile picture of the author O0o0O
    My experience has been that a lot of internet marketing making money online products have a lot of sizzle but not enough meat inside. The things that I've learned to do was to extract the relevant information from those texts and apply them in ways that would help my business grow. And when I make products, the thing that helped me the most was to learn how to package and deliver a message in a way that many people can understand. When that happens then a lot of sales can be made.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaneFTO
    Wow!

    Thanks for all the replies guys, I haven't been back since I posted it, am glad there are a few more people like me out there.

    Love some of the comments, blow & suck! haha.

    In my case I haven't bought any IM products for a looooong while! I'll put my hands up and say that some products I have bought I haven't even used yet, just got caught in the hype at the time!

    Then I've gone back to it some months later and found that the site you are directed to is no more! That's more my own fault though.

    I've unsubscribed from around 95% of the email lists, kept a couple of guys that I think are on the level, but most are just taking the pi55 with email.

    Don't spam me with affiliate cr*p on a list I've signed up on for product updates! What a way to endear yourself to your customers! Also, some think we are stupid with "Oh dear, I left out the link in my last email" or "I've been told not everyone received my email" No! What you've just done is pi55ed me off by assuming I'm stupid...marked as spam and never going to buy anything from you again!

    Am I fickle!??? Yes! I haven't got time for it. Have you!?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by DaneFTO View Post

      I've unsubscribed from around 95% of the email lists, kept a couple of guys that I think are on the level, but most are just taking the pi55 with email.
      That's about par for the course, I think.

      But there you have it: "they" do say that at least 95% of people fail, in internet marketing, so why would the general standards of what you're sent be any good?

      Originally Posted by DaneFTO View Post

      Don't spam me with affiliate cr*p on a list I've signed up on for product updates! What a way to endear yourself to your customers!
      What's even worse is that (according to what I've seen some of them say, in forum conversations) the people doing that genuinely don't think that they're spamming you: they imagine that because you "opted in" (having been deceived into thinking that you were doing so for product updates) it's actually legitimate for them to send you whatever they want, by email.

      These are, needless to say, typically the very same people who imagine that "a 20% open-rate for your emails is 'normal', in this business": http://www.warriorforum.com/email-ma...ml#post8661178

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  • Profile picture of the author smilealot
    Instead of products a list of people who 'abandon their products' might be more appropriate. I personally keep a list. There are some notorious individuals, banned from the warrior but are continuosly releasing products via JVZOO.

    My recommendation, ask before you purchase or subscribe to Brett Rutecky's list. (Brett Rutecky)

    He reviews products (if the devleoper gives him a copy). I check there first before I even consider purchasing or I ask in the groups I'm in. If you pay attention, you find out really fast who to avoid in this industry.
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    • Profile picture of the author DaneFTO
      Yeah, Brett is one of the very few people I still am subscribed to.

      I was thinking of doing my own WSO - The secrets of not wasting money on WSOs!

      You guys can have a copy if you want, I promise not to send you any affiliate email stuff unless I can make money from it and I can make money by selling your email address to another product pusher or fellow affiliate, apart from that...absolutely no spam!

      Originally Posted by smilealot View Post

      Instead of products a list of people who 'abandon their products' might be more appropriate. I personally keep a list. There are some notorious individuals, banned from the warrior but are continuosly releasing products via JVZOO.

      My recommendation, ask before you purchase or subscribe to Brett Rutecky's list. (Brett Rutecky)

      He reviews products (if the devleoper gives him a copy). I check there first before I even consider purchasing or I ask in the groups I'm in. If you pay attention, you find out really fast who to avoid in this industry.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie123
    If you want to promote an abandoned product, you would approach the owner of the ebook, course, video, whatever, and ask if they would license it to you for a fee. Acquiring those types of products are great for bonuses. My two sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author goindeep
    Most IM products are designed to do one thing and one thing only, and its not to help you make money. Also most are made by people that have absolutely no idea about business.
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