Internet Marketing Mentors

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Hello there, new to this forum and new to internet marketing.
I've been reading that it is better to start in this industry with a mentor.
How much would it cost a good mentor?
Any recommendations for a successful and affordable mentor?

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Hey Salkema,

    I would suggest you NOT get a Mentor at least not right off the bat. Take a second to gather some information. WF is a good place to start.

    I never had a Mentor ,per say.

    There were lots of 'free' Mentors that I would ask questions to. And I studied there techniques.

    Of course having a paid Mentor will cut the time in the learning curve.

    But, imo, not necessary.




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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    Like Discrat, I've never required a mentor. But then Discrat and myself have been around for a while; 20 years in my case. They didn't have them when I started,or else perhaps I would have purchased such a service. In the current climate, I'd suggest it only if you want the fast route and you do your due diligence and check them out beforehand. As far as costs go: anywhere from low-hundreds to thousands.

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  • Profile picture of the author kilgore
    Personally, I find the whole IM coach/mentor industry more than a little weird. I can't think of any other type of business where so many people make a living (or at least try to make a living) teaching others how to start a business. If you have a successful restaurant, it's unlikely that you'll make your next entrepreneurial effort teaching would-be restauranteurs how to start a restaurant. Sure you might write a cookbook. Maybe you'll even teach an occasional cooking class. But restaurant coaching? It just doesn't happen. But don't get me wrong, I'm not suggestiong that mentors/coaches can't be helpful -- I really wouldn't know since I never had one. But I do find the whole IM coaching industry bizarre.

    That said, there's a long history of entrepreneurial mentoring, at least in the US. Moreover, there are all sorts of free resources -- and mentors -- available to entrepreneurs.

    For those warriors in the US who are looking for a business mentor, I recommend that you do some research on Small Business Development Centers (https://www.sba.gov/offices/headquar...esources/11409), a program of the Small Business Administration designed to provide technical assistance -- including mentoring -- to new entrepreneurs. (I imagine other countries have similar programs, I just don't have any knowledge about them). Most of these centers are run out universities, non-profits and local governments with grants they receive from the Federal Government.

    SBDCs certainly aren't for everybody. You're unlikely to find a mentor who is an internet marketing expert -- indeed, most of them will never have heard of Clickbank or Amazon Associates; they'll have no experience with WordPress or AWeber; they'll know nothing about SEO or running PPC campaigns. But most will be able to help with most of the important aspects that all real businesses face and help you develop a strategy and a plan to become successful. The point is, if you're just looking to learn a few IM techniques to make a few bucks on the side -- or if you're looking for someone to hand you a ready-made checklist of every task you need to accomplish every single day, they probably aren't for you -- but if you're really interested in growing a real, sustainable business, they're probably at least worth a phone call.

    I should also note that there are other non-SBDC resources for entrepreneurs, whether incubators or university research institutes or something else entirely. Do some research and you may find exactly what you're looking for. In short, there's a whole world outside of IM that you can learn from!
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    • Profile picture of the author seoboyz01
      Get a firm foundation on the internet marketing basics via online reputable blogs such as Google Webmaster Central; Matt Cutt's blog, SEOMoz, etc and that should start you out in the right direction.

      Originally Posted by kilgore View Post

      Personally, I find the whole IM coach/mentor industry more than a little weird. I can't think of any other type of business where so many people make a living (or at least try to make a living) teaching others how to start a business. If you have a successful restaurant, it's unlikely that you'll make your next entrepreneurial effort teaching would-be restauranteurs how to start a restaurant. Sure you might write a cookbook. Maybe you'll even teach an occasional cooking class. But restaurant coaching? It just doesn't happen.
      Maybe there aren't restaurant mentors, but there should be considering how most new restaurants fail in the first year. Even someone with experience working in a commercial kitchen or managing another person's cafe won't necessarily understand all the risks involved in this type of venture up front.
      As for what you were saying, I don't see any sense in hiring an internet marketing mentor either but it would be a brilliant idea for an offline business assuming the coach had actual experience in that industry/niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author aire
    Don't waste money on mentors/coaches. Only suckers buy such service. Listen to people above my post... they gave you REALLY good advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    The #1 thing you need to understand going into this is that "internet marketing mentors" are just glorified newbies who specialize in training other newbies how to be "internet marketing mentors" who in turn train the next newbie how to be an "internet marketing mentor." That segment of the online industry is just an elaborate chain marketing scheme and you are probably going to lose your money. Beware that the sales materials for this kind of thing are vague and they aren't going to come right out and say what the business model is. It's easy for newbies to get pulled into this trap.

    If you want real paid help, you'll need to decide on a business model and then contact someone who you know for a fact is successful at it and ask them if they provide consulting services. The people you are looking for do not sell "get rich" ebooks or generic "how to make money online" coaching. You want people with a real business that you can actually see.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoworkingclass
    Its not true, you don't need a mentor. All you need is knowledge and experience, the form being freely available all over the internet, the latter coming with trying things out as you go.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kralj187
    Look, those people who make tons of cash don't have time nor any interest in teaching new people.

    The ones who are left are those who don't make any serious money online, but they think they know a lot about SEO/online marketing - you don't want them to be your mentor

    Your best bet is to read this forum, because there are a lot of great articles who are worth reading here.
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  • Profile picture of the author davehayes
    This is an Interesting thread, with somet great advice. From personal experience, I would say, find someone who you can bounce ideas off that would help you... As others have said, don't pay anyone for the advice, because, those claiming to be mentors, are not.

    WF is a great learning curve, where you will find plenty of people willing to give advice, based on their experiences.This helped me very much when I was starting out.

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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Kruz
    Ok I will have to disagree strongly with the posts above.

    A mentor in my opinion is the best thing you can get as a newbie internet marketer. If you have the financial capabilities, then yes you should get one. It is like a shortcut to success.

    When I was in your position (just starting out) I believe I spent over 7 months trying to learn things, but I fell in to what is called Shiny Object Syndrome. SOS is when you buy every product out there that you see. I did this for 7 months and I spent over $600 on products that never worked, and for those 7 months i never took action. Then I finally decided to get a mentor, and the game changed.

    If you can handle lots of stress and if you are very patient, then do it on your own. But if you can't (which is most people), then getting a mentor is your best choice. Me, i would rather avoid that hard time period of doing it on your own, it doesn't really interest me.

    I messaged you a list of some good coaching programs that I recommend.

    Hope this helps

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    • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
      Originally Posted by Nathan Kruz View Post

      Then I finally decided to get a mentor, and the game changed.
      This vague statement has been used and abused by people pushing coaching in their sig. You should provide more info.

      How did you find this person?
      What questions did you ask?
      How did you verify their experience?
      What were the terms of the deal?
      What did you pay?
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        • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
          Originally Posted by Nathan Kruz View Post

          Have you ever heard of John Thornhill? He is one of the pioneers in Internet Marketing. It's hard not to hear about him.
          Never heard of him.

          What business does Mr Thornhill operate (besides his MMO coaching)? The "about me" page on his site talks only about selling PLR ebooks 15 years ago and one eBay coaching membership site in 2004. He doesn't talk about anything from the past 10 years. A lot changes in that time. What's he been up to?

          I personally don't care about this. I'm just illustrating the type of probing that newbies need to do before buying into this stuff. There is no such thing as a reputation that speaks for itself unless the work is plainly visible and it is clearly successful, and I'm not seeing it with this guy. So what is it? Where's it at?
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    Never heard of him.

    What business does Mr Thornhill operate (besides his MMO coaching)? The "about me" page on his site talks only about selling PLR ebooks 15 years ago and one eBay coaching membership site in 2004. He doesn't talk about anything from the past 10 years. A lot changes in that time. What's he been up to?
    Are you really that clueless?

    He's launching another new product as I write this.
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    • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      Are you really that clueless?

      He's launching another new product as I write this.
      Is it really surprising that someone hasn't heard of him? The "celebrities" in the "make money online" info product niche are totally unknown outside of that bubble. If someone isn't subscribed to the right "get rich" email lists it's entirely expected that names would be unfamiliar. I would go so far as to say that 99% of the marketing industry wouldn't recognize even the name Frank Kern.

      Too many people on this forum believe that the only accessible portion of the marketing industry is the tiny corner where the snake oil is being sold. Seeking out "gurus" who haven't found success in anything more mainstream is extremely high risk.

      Before you purchase one-on-one training services you absolutely have to find out what that person has accomplished in recent history outside of "make money" products and services. Otherwise you run the risk buying into an empty name built up by affiliates willing to say anything to refer a sale.
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      • Profile picture of the author anton343
        Maybe people have not heard of John or people similar to him but my advice would be to go for a coaching program. If you intend to go into the IM niche there is nothing wrong with being coached by people who have made their money selling IM products.

        Before joining any program
        1. check out the results they have had with fellow students
        2. study carefully what the program offers.
        3. Do your due dillegence on the person offering the coaching.
        If possible contact other students and ask about their experience with the program. I personally know many people who have been coached by John and others like him and are now making a full time living in the IM niche.

        Of course results will vary and nothing is guaranteed. That part is as much down to yourself than anyone else.

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        Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

        Is it really surprising that someone hasn't heard of him? The "celebrities" in the "make money online" info product niche are totally unknown outside of that bubble. If someone isn't subscribed to the right "get rich" email lists it's entirely expected that names would be unfamiliar. I would go so far as to say that 99% of the marketing industry wouldn't recognize even the name Frank Kern.

        Too many people on this forum believe that the only accessible portion of the marketing industry is the tiny corner where the snake oil is being sold. Seeking out "gurus" who haven't found success in anything more mainstream is extremely high risk.

        Before you purchase one-on-one training services you absolutely have to find out what that person has accomplished in recent history outside of "make money" products and services. Otherwise you run the risk buying into an empty name built up by affiliates willing to say anything to refer a sale.
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        • Profile picture of the author 1byte
          Originally Posted by anton343 View Post

          Before joining any program
          1. check out the results they have had with fellow students
          2. study carefully what the program offers.
          3. Do your due dillegence on the person offering the coaching.

          Anton

          Speaking from personal experience, this is good advice, esp. doing "due diligence on the person offering the coaching." As I learned the hard way, if you don't pick a "coach" that is a good fit for your personality and learning style, you may be in for some disappointment. .
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        • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
          Originally Posted by anton343 View Post

          If you intend to go into the IM niche there is nothing wrong with being coached by people who have made their money selling IM products.
          "Pay me and I'll tell you, in part, how I got you to give me the money."

          That right there sums up the empty shell that is the "make money online" chain marketing scheme. It's just so bizarre that anyone would want to be a part of that.


          It reminds me of the "cash in the mail" scheme or whatever it's called. A man is seen on video opening up envelopes that people sent him with cash in them. Want to know how you too can receive cash in the mail? Just send him cash in the mail and he'll tell you.

          Obviously anyone with a single functioning brain cell should be able to put one and one together at that point, but apparently some people are stupid and send the money..... and learn that they should make a video of themselves opening up envelopes of cash and tell people to send money so they too can learn how to do it.

          This essentially mirrors what goes on in the "make money online" info product chain marketing industry. You want to know how someone makes money online, you pay them and they show you how to get newbies how to pay you to learn how you make money online by teaching them how to make money online so they can teach more newbies how they make money online by teaching newbies how to make money online.
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          • Profile picture of the author 1byte
            Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post


            This essentially mirrors what goes on in the "make money online" info product chain marketing industry. You want to know how someone makes money online, you pay them and they show you how to get newbies how to pay you to learn how you make money online by teaching them how to make money online so they can teach more newbies how they make money online by teaching newbies how to make money online.
            ...and the incestuous relationship goes on and on and on...
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    mentor= money taker

    good luck

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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by Salkema View Post

    Hello there, new to this forum and new to internet marketing.
    I've been reading that it is better to start in this industry with a mentor.
    How much would it cost a good mentor?
    Any recommendations for a successful and affordable mentor?

    Thanks!
    Mentors are helpful. Just don't waste their time. If they say do something, then do it (!!!). If you wanna hire me, that's cool. I charge $5,000 for a complete marketing package and campaign. What's your idea of "affordable"? $100? LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author Salkema
      Randall, I was thinking in paying a mentor hourly ($50-10) until I break the $100 per day.
      Great advice from others, I am thinking about starting without a mentor.
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  • Profile picture of the author JNAssociates
    It depends on the kind of marketing you plan on doing and the product you plan on marketing. For any real money, a mentor is absolutely needed. I mean in the financial, technology and telecom sectors mainly. Regardless of what any of these IM experts are telling you, the right person guiding you will make all the difference. You just have to be careful since there are a lot of people just regurgitating the same bull.
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    • Profile picture of the author mak25
      Originally Posted by JNAssociates View Post

      It depends on the kind of marketing you plan on doing and the product you plan on marketing. For any real money, a mentor is absolutely needed. I mean in the financial, technology and telecom sectors mainly. Regardless of what any of these IM experts are telling you, the right person guiding you will make all the difference. You just have to be careful since there are a lot of people just regurgitating the same bull.

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      • Profile picture of the author simonbee
        I'm really surprised at the number of people saying don't use a mentor!

        What has this industry done to itself?

        In any other industry having a mentor or a trainer would be a prerequisite.

        My suggestion would be think about what you really want to do and then try to find the experts in that filed and follow them gaining as much knowledge as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    There are some good mentors out there and some that are no good but charge too much.

    If you want to succeed without a mentor just know that you will need to go through a lot of trial and error to find out what is working for you. At the end, it will be all worth it for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author 1byte
      My one experience with a so-called "coach" last year was so bad that I can't recommend a coach or mentor as a way to learn this business.

      I paid $1000 to this guy (a WF member), and by the time I invested in his proprietary software, hosting, and other tools, I was in to it for about $1500. Problem was, when I tried to set up his "system" it didn't work right, and he couldn't provide the answers to what was wrong.

      After about 5 weeks of "coaching" I think he took out his frustration on me for taking up so much of his time trying to implement his flawed system. In the last couple of Skype "coaching calls" he completely lost his patience and any pretense of professionalism. He talked down to me in a condescending way, cursed me, called me numerous epithets, and even threatened to fly out to California and kick my a*s if I ever posted anything negative about him on the Warrior Forum. Then he blamed me for making him so mad, and he finally finished off the call with a "F. You" and then dropped me from his program.

      Seriously, this really happened! I probably wouldn't believe it myself if someone else told me a story like that, but it did indeed happen to me.

      So rather than get a coach or mentor, my recommendation is to learn it on your own. Right here on the Warrior forum is a good place to start. Join the War Room where you'll get a boat-load of great info and WSOs from veteran marketers. You can find enough in the War Room alone to build a business that will become successful beyond your wildest dreams.

      Also, read posts by well-established and knowledgeable Warriors, then find a particular path you want to go, be it List building, Affiliate Marketing, CPA, Video Marketing or whatever. Then give it your full attention and effort, implement what you know, and learn as you go to become proficient and profitable in your chosen marketing method.
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      • Profile picture of the author Peter Kontango
        Originally Posted by 1byte View Post

        My one experience with a so-called "coach" last year was so bad that I can't recommend a coach or mentor as a way to learn this business.

        I paid $1000 to this guy (a WF member), and by the time I invested in his proprietary software, hosting, and other tools, I was in to it for about $1500. Problem was, when I tried to set up his "system" it didn't work right, and he couldn't provide the answers to what was wrong.

        After about 5 weeks of "coaching" I think he took out his frustration on me for taking up so much of his time trying to implement his flawed system. In the last couple of Skype "coaching calls" he completely lost his patience and any pretense of professionalism. He talked down to me in a condescending way, cursed me, called me numerous epithets, and even threatened to fly out to California and kick my a*s if I ever posted anything negative about him on the Warrior Forum. Then he blamed me for making him so mad, and he finally finished off the call with a "F. You" and then dropped me from his program.

        Seriously, this really happened! I probably wouldn't believe it myself if someone else told me a story like that, but it did indeed happen to me.

        So rather than get a coach or mentor, my recommendation is to learn it on your own. Right here on the Warrior forum is a good place to start. Join the War Room where you'll get a boat-load of great info and WSOs from veteran marketers. You can find enough in the War Room alone to build a business that will become successful beyond your wildest dreams.

        Also, read posts by well-established and knowledgeable Warriors, then find a particular path you want to go, be it List building, Affiliate Marketing, CPA, Video Marketing or whatever. Then give it your full attention and effort, implement what you know, and learn as you go to become proficient and profitable in your chosen marketing method.
        So who was this guy?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    Most are here saying don't get a mentor.

    Some are saying get one.

    What do you do? Who do you listen to?

    Well that all depends on what you are looking for. If you don't mind 'learning' for a few years before you really get a 'grip' on this whole internet marketing game, then take your time and learn on your own.

    It can work for you but it will take longer. Hopefully you dont' quit before you really get started.

    I have been online since 2005 and to 'this' day still have a coach.

    "Every Coach Needs a Coach"

    And I Know the value of having one.

    However, having said that...

    I get the feeling that you are 'brand new'. You probably need to 'tough' it out a little while so that you could get a vague idea how things work. Then if you haven't quit in a year or so, you will then see the value of having a good success coach.

    Hope this makes sense.

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  • Profile picture of the author cianci1129
    This industry indeed has tons of people with false claims offering almost worthless consultation services. However, I've actually had 5 "mentors" and out of the 5, I would recommend 4 of them with all my heart. One of them was indeed awful, and I fell into the "newbie trap" of thinking I'd be killing it when we finished our coaching. The coaching was mostly worthless; filled with very general and non-actionable information and I found myself ready to give up. Any follow up emails after coaching were met with responses at least a week later and did not answer my questions, very general responses like "just keep building your list!" Gee, thanks! I had no idea THAT'S what I needed to be doing!

    I almost gave up until I tried my luck again, and I'm so glad I did. The next few guys I worked with are honest marketers (yes, they exist in this niche, there's hope for humanity) and they promote honest marketing methods that actually work and help people.

    I'm going off topic here...the point is, some coaches are awful and frauds, some are excellent and legitimate. But without outside help, I personally would have given up long ago and joined the sad line of angry failed newbies crying the same "this is all a scam!" nonsense that I roll my eyes at every time I see it.

    I'll provide some good ways I've learned from experience in finding a good mentor.

    1) They won't try and bully you into buying.
    I've had this and it's such a turnoff. You ask a couple of questions about the coaching you know almost nothing about, and are hit with a paypal buy link for $2000 and are told that you will be given the program AFTER paying. Yeah, no thanks.

    2) They tell you what method you'll primarily be using BEFORE you pay for coaching

    For example, maybe they are a solo ads coach. Maybe they are a product creation coach. Maybe they are a google adsense coach or CPA marketing coach. You want to know which method you will be using BEFORE you sign up, because now you can actually validate that person's credentials and reputation.

    3) Get references and contact them directly.
    Contact previous students of the coach directly and ask about their results and if they would personally recommend the coach. Do this with at least a few people. If the person doesn't give you anyone to contact, move on to another prospective coach.

    4) See if you can reserve some or most of full payment until after you have made some money.
    Only one guy was willing to do this, but he said "after we make you some money, you can pay me the rest". He honestly cared and was so confident with his coaching that he subdued most of his payment until I made any money.

    I hope this helps you in picking a good coach. I also would like to point out the following about having a coach, because I see some posts on here leaving most of this out.

    A coach, must like a personal trainer, is there to assist YOU with your goals. Not do all the work for you. It's up to YOU to get in shape, up to YOU to get money. A coach can assist you by:

    -Providing you the confidence needed to take action
    -Provide you with the information necessary to succeed
    -Hold you accountable to meeting goals you set
    -Help you network with other marketers in your niche

    So remember to keep your expectations realistic.

    It's helpful to pick up Sean Mize's "Anyone Can Coach" as well to help open your mind to what coaching really is. Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author vikash_kumar
    As In every kind of business and society...There are some bad and good people and same is true when it comes to Internet marketing coaches.

    There are some in this forum itself, who are learning themselves but will be ready to provide you coaching with a good sum of money... In reality ... they are getting a coaching to start a coaching program.... Stay Away from them.... Always ask...who are their students and what they actually achieved before hiring anyone for coaching...

    However, There are some who have really mastered one kind of art...within several streams of internet marketing. They are the people...who can cut short your entire learning curve of an year to a month.... And That is something very important when it comes to Internet marketing...

    Why?

    Because the newbies in Internet marketing field don't have patience and persistence of keep doing a productive job for a longer period of time.... and A good coach can guide you in a proven direction.... and by making you accountable for each and every step you take...

    So, In my opinion.... A Good is Important to have... And I must say... Coaching itself is a skill and not many have mastered that skill... And if you find someone....who is good at coaching and their students have achieved significant success.... You must and should Join a coach or a coaching program....

    Wish you Best!
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