Four websites, one year, no traffic.

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I've got four well researched(MarketSamurai and Longtail Pro) niche sites and I have tried everything to drive traffic to them for about 10 1/2 months and I can't, for the life of me get much traffic, which means few clicks and no conversions. My rank in Google has not at all improved over these 10 months even after building links the white hat way and attempting, quite unsuccessfully to build a social media presence. I need help and I have no idea where to start.

Should I dump these four sites and start over? Forsake three and work on my strongest keyword? Hire help and if so who the #$^& can you trust? I'm at my wit's end. Offer me direction or encourage me to quit....I'm on the ledge anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author jcwarriorwrc
    Hi KASEllc

    What type of sites are these? Micro niche sites or authority sites? Here's why I ask:

    Micro niche sites don't rank as well as they did before.

    Authority sites are usually better, but you have to keep your focus on your audience -- the "what's in it for me?" question will always be asked on these sites or even micro niche sites.

    Unless you're running a full-blown e-commerce store, content sites will be difficult to get noticed, if you are not helping a market with needs or if you only focus on monetization.

    Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author KASEllc
      One authority site and three micro niche sites.
      For the record, I have used Facebook ads and haven't gotten much traction. One of the sites is seasonal because of my keyword choice(dumb rookie mistake) and one is related to an indoor activity, which also limits it's audience, but the authority site I've since taken down and am rebranding and the other niche site is just not drawing an audience.

      I've decided to sell the seasonal and indoor activity sites, revisit the advertising option for the other two and be more aggressive. Thanks for the recommendations and even the hard truth in some instances.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ricardo Furtado
        Sorry to hear this.
        What have you done for SEO?
        Regards
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  • Profile picture of the author RidwanM
    Hey man,

    Sorry to hear that.

    SEO and ranking and keyword research is such a pain and there's no guarantee it will ever work out which is why I stopped working on those things altogether.

    If you want to make money online I personally wouldn't recommend doing niche websites, people are successful at them, but it's a lot harder to get started today and you're more likely to do well with something else.

    I would personally recommend this:

    - Create a squeeze page with a free offer eg. "the 1 secret that got me x"
    - Deliver that free offer in the form of video and at the end sell a product "the 7 secrets.."
    - upsell funnel after they make the purchase for other related products to help them
    - people who don't buy remarketed to via autoresponder series

    and how do you solve the traffic problem? I would recommend Facebook Ads, yes it costs money but if you've got a good funnel you should be making the money back almost instantly and it's the quickest and most surefire way to do well.

    The traffic is TARGETED and Facebook ads is generally high quality traffic.

    By selling your own products you're going to make more than ads or promoting other peoples products - you can still make money from those things but its easier to get started this way.

    Good luck.

    Like jcwarriorwrc said content sites are difficult to get noticed organically, sending targeted traffic to a funnel is the best way in my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      There is nothing really wrong with niche sites, even micro-niche sites, you an get some traffic to them if you are willing to buy ads and if what you are selling there can make you a profit.

      Both Market Samurai and Long Tail Pro can be used to find you good keywords but it is easier to use those keywords to create content on a authority site.

      Content sites - authority sites - are not particularly difficult to rank but your traffic sources need to be varied, some organic, some social media. I suspect that if you choose one site to work on to build it up, you will feel less stress and your site will look better.

      The other thing is, depending on what these niches are, you might already be competing with large established content type sites with lots of pages ranked already. Small sites that try to compete with these sites don't do so well anymore - for the most part, there are some exceptions, of course, but peopel look a lot online these days for authority.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by KASEllc View Post

    Should I dump these four sites and start over?
    Nobody can sensibly advise you about the answer to this question just from the basis of the information you've provided above.

    Everything you've said says to me that your problems aren't about the sites themselves, but about your lack of a realistic traffic-generation plan.

    You seem to be basing everything you're saying and everything you've done around "keywords" and "Google". This is what you need to re-think completely.

    I always suggest to people that they shouldn't put time and effort into trying to attract SEO traffic, for two main reasons: first, it's very precarious and makes your business Google-dependent, and any business that's Google-dependent is no more than one algorithm-change away from a potential accident (or even a potential disaster), as so many Warriors have been finding out over the last year or two, some of them to their very great cost; secondly, for me, search engine traffic, in every single one of my niches, has been uniformly the worst-converting traffic out of everything I've ever tried - search engine visitors to all my websites typically stay the least time, view the fewest pages, opt in the least often and actually buy anything by far the least often. I admit I do get tons of search engine traffic to all my main sites (because high rankings for multiple keywords happen to be a minor side-benefit of the main targeted traffic-generation method I use) but I'd hate to have to make a living just from that traffic. If you have a good look round the forum, you'll also see plenty of other Warriors making exactly this point.

    The reason I'm mentioning all this is that I'd urge you, whether going forward with the sites you have or new/different one(s) instead, not to approach anything to do with "getting traffic" from a perspective will make your business Google-dependent - can't really see the point of that, at all.


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    • Profile picture of the author charbrown
      I totally agree with Alexa. Trying to game Google is fools game (Not calling you a fool, just that I've always felt like a fool whenever I've tried to do it). Even if you do happen to land a good Google ranking, it can vanish overnight. Brent's advice to advertise is correct. However, learn all you can about PPC advertising, because you will not always get traffic as targeted as you expect.
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      • Profile picture of the author KASEllc
        Okay, so I'm no board with PPC advertising and I think I understand it, thanks to the resources offered in this thread...Now the question is, where to start?

        Am I determining what my budget is? Am I choosing Google, Bing, Facebook or what exactly? I'm interested, but overwhelmed. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Harris
          Google and Bing PPC are similar, in the way you set up and run your campaigns.

          The main differences are: bidding on Google is generally more expensive than but there is also generally more traffic on Google.

          Also Bing is generally a bit more friendly to marketers, in particular affiliate marketers, so you have more room so to speak in what you can and cannot have as the landing page for the traffic you are bidding on.

          You said you have done some Facebook advertising, so you are probably aware of the ability to drill right down with your demographic targeting.

          Who you go with is not the issue, they will all bring you traffic.

          Choose one, and stick to your budget.

          Test and tweak, test and tweak, and test and tweak.

          You need to focus on the "targeting" (keyword or demographics) of your campaigns and the "hooks" (the reasons that will cause your audience to take action) you are using in your advertising.
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          • Profile picture of the author KASEllc
            I need work on the "hooks".

            Both sites are affiliate niches with pretty specific focus so writing content has to incite the visitor to "consider my examples" or explore my links for inspiration or direction. I need to further develop the landing pages for both sites.Where can I find examples?
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            • Profile picture of the author jbmarwood
              It isn't hard to find good landing page examples. Check some of the best selling products on ClickBank etc.

              Take a look at the last products you bought online and see what made you spend your money on them. Market Samurai and Long Tail Pro are two that you've already mentioned
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimmydd
    Hi KASEllc,

    Sorry to here about your troubles with SEO and Google. Giving up on the sites is your choice. If they domains are relatively new its going to take a bite of time some times years to get any traction. that also depends if you keep them updated with keyword and lSI keyword rich content. You might want to do some heavy research on the recent updates and how Googles looks at sites these days . You will probably have to completely re-engineer them. Also I would creat social media accounts from the sites and post fresh content to them reularly linking back to your site. Addtionally I would suggest running tiered backlinks to your social properties using relevant content. Proper grammar and page are even more important these days. Paid advertising is good as well to start traffic rolling in. That way you can split test what works and check how visitors engage with your content.
    Check out Source wave and OMG for great training resources, some of them are free. Ricky Mataka and Michale Young hold webinars frequently with great tips of your on their list.
    A lot has change in the past recent months, but as they say "the world changes, you must change with it"
    Best of Luck,
    Regards,
    JD
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  • Profile picture of the author cheesemaster
    Work on the content and go local. If your sites won´t rank, then you may have inferior content. That means, either your articles are too short, too few, or generally not giving enough value. My protip to anyone is to go local. Go and target the folks in your area, you are more likely to succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cosmit
    Originally Posted by KASEllc View Post

    I've got four well researched(MarketSamurai and Longtail Pro) niche sites and I have tried everything to drive traffic to them for about 10 1/2 months and I can't, for the life of me get much traffic, which means few clicks and no conversions. My rank in Google has not at all improved over these 10 months even after building links the white hat way and attempting, quite unsuccessfully to build a social media presence. I need help and I have no idea where to start.

    Should I dump these four sites and start over? Forsake three and work on my strongest keyword? Hire help and if so who the #$^& can you trust? I'm at my wit's end. Offer me direction or encourage me to quit....I'm on the ledge anyway.
    dont waste your time. why on earth would you rely on free google traffic? that shouldnt be a priority at all. build 1 great site and pay for traffic if you have to. if google ever decides to rank your site, consider that frosting on the cake. "free google traffic" is beginner mentality. it's like a bipolar girlfriend
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  • Profile picture of the author simonbee
    Sell the sites on Flippa and move onto the next project. Keep moving forward.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by simonbee View Post

      Sell the sites on Flippa and move onto the next project.
      How will that help, Simon, if the OP doesn't learn the reasons for the year-long failure of all the current sites? Won't he just probably have exactly the same experience all over again with the next ones (as so many people do)? Doesn't it strike you that this is clearly a problem that needs to be resolved by "learning things" rather than by "doing things"?


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  • Profile picture of the author elcidofaguy
    Have a read up on epic content marketing and check out the content marketing institute at Content Marketing Strategy, Research, "How-To" Advice

    It's an excellent resource and will help you think of fresh approaches wrt understanding what your target audience are looking for, how to build trust and credibility.. but like all things it takes time... also think about where does your target audience hang out online... Which forums, social sites etc... and from there build a presence with either contributing and helping folks out or running ads on such platforms ...

    In addition you need to get into the mindset of your target audience... The fact of the matter is that folks do not care about your gizmo's and gadget's they only care for what's in it for me...

    In other words benefits!!! Are you offering benefits versus features?....Hence when you finally get traffic to your site you need to make sure it converts.... hence think about how your content relates.... and adds value.

    Hope that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Originally Posted by KASEllc View Post

    I've got four well researched(MarketSamurai and Longtail Pro) niche sites and I have tried everything to drive traffic to them for about 10 1/2 months and I can't, for the life of me get much traffic, which means few clicks and no conversions. My rank in Google has not at all improved over these 10 months even after building links the white hat way and attempting, quite unsuccessfully to build a social media presence. I need help and I have no idea where to start.

    Should I dump these four sites and start over? Forsake three and work on my strongest keyword? Hire help and if so who the #$^& can you trust? I'm at my wit's end. Offer me direction or encourage me to quit....I'm on the ledge anyway.
    Rankings... keywords... SEO... PR... yada... yada... yada...

    Forget all that and learn how to advertise effectively via Facebook.

    I tried jumping through all those traditional online hoops for my
    wife's physical products business. It was a complete waste of time.
    When I finally decided to chuck all that nonsense and run some
    well crafted Facebook campaigns the results were more than stellar.

    I'll never go back to Google and the rest of that nonsense.
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    • Profile picture of the author Soulmate
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      Rankings... keywords... SEO... PR... yada... yada... yada...

      Forget all that and learn how to advertise effectively via Facebook.

      I tried jumping through all those traditional online hoops for my
      wife's physical products business. It was a complete waste of time.
      When I finally decided to chuck all that nonsense and run some
      well crafted Facebook campaigns the results were more than stellar.

      I'll never go back to Google and the rest of that nonsense.
      ^ Agreed.

      ~Karen
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      • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
        I would stick to one site and focus all your time there. Keep the others and come back to them at a later date. You may be spreading your self to thin. Once you get one making money than you can always work on the other three. Just dumping them may be a mistake latter down the road.
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  • Profile picture of the author modinho
    Can you share the links with me so I can give you proper advice and let you know where it goes wrong... or how to improve. I am sure many WF members can also help out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    Stop depending on SEO for traffic. Google is way too picky. I would just pick (1) and only one of the (4) that you really like. Forget the other 3. Now work on content and send traffic to your content some how. Anyhow. Forget about Google because they will kick in after you start becoming successful on your own.

    Get a link on your signature file to this site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    Offer me direction or encourage me to quit.
    The answer is simple - ADVERTISE!!
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Originally Posted by KASEllc View Post

    I've got four well researched(MarketSamurai and Longtail Pro) niche sites and I have tried everything to drive traffic to them for about 10 1/2 months and I can't, for the life of me get much traffic, which means few clicks and no conversions. My rank in Google has not at all improved over these 10 months even after building links the white hat way and attempting, quite unsuccessfully to build a social media presence. I need help and I have no idea where to start.

    Should I dump these four sites and start over? Forsake three and work on my strongest keyword? Hire help and if so who the #$^& can you trust? I'm at my wit's end. Offer me direction or encourage me to quit....I'm on the ledge anyway.
    It's time to realize that SEO is not working too well for you.

    Solution you should take very seriously:

    Start do look into pay per click marketing. This will get you faster results rather then just waiting for the search engines to rank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author sirtiman
    Forget about samurai and pro stuffs. You must find real heads and eyes to visit your sites. Build your list and audience.
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  • Profile picture of the author theheron
    Its very difficult for people to say why you havent had any luck in the SERPS without you saying what your sites are or what key words you are targeting.
    How competative are the keywords?
    If you are only using white hat it can take a lot longer than another method and if you are up against more experienced grey or black hatters unfortunatly I think you are going to lose.
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