RIP Free WSOS. Another nail in the WF coffin?

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This was just pointed out to me in the revised WSO rules...

Rule #3: Free Offers

If your offer is free, then this is to be posted in the Warrior Forum Classified Ads sub-forum.
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EDIT: I made an error on the cost of a Classified Ad. It is $20 - the same as a WSO
#coffin #free #nail #rip #wsos
  • Profile picture of the author Brent Tracey
    That's pretty sad!
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    It gets worse....

    Rule #18: Forced email opt ins

    Sellers are not to force email opt ins from customers to gain access to their product. While you are allowed to request the customer to subscribe to your mailing list, this should not be the only way the customer may gain access to your product or service.
    This is ridiculous as even the Warrior Payments system has autoresponder integration, so all buyers are automatically added to your list without their "knowledge or consent".
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    • Profile picture of the author Geeked Labs
      Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post

      It gets worse....



      This is ridiculous as even the Warrior Payments system has autoresponder integration, so all buyers are automatically added to your list without their "knowledge or consent".
      I was with you until the last bit. If you buy anything online your contact information is always given to the vender. Same with buying something mail order. The only way you can avoid giving your information is by buying something in person with cash.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
        Originally Posted by Geeked Labs View Post

        I was with you until the last bit. If you buy anything online your contact information is always given to the vender. Same with buying something mail order. The only way you can avoid giving your information is by buying something in person with cash.
        Exactly why the rule makes no sense whatsoever.
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    • Profile picture of the author yakim1
      Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post

      It gets worse....



      This is ridiculous as even the Warrior Payments system has autoresponder integration, so all buyers are automatically added to your list without their "knowledge or consent".
      They are just following PayPal rules here. Autoresponder integration is not forcing a buyer to join your list via a squeeze page that blocks the buyer from getting to the purchased product unless they optin.

      Getting the software to get their name and email address in the background does not violate any rules. But blocking their rightful access to the product with a squeeze page is.

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    • Profile picture of the author morg2k2
      Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post

      It gets worse....



      This is ridiculous as even the Warrior Payments system has autoresponder integration, so all buyers are automatically added to your list without their "knowledge or consent".
      To be quite honest, I think this rule its a good one, because if you put yourself in the role of the buyer, after he pays you , he can only get the product that he bought IF HE signs in in your emailing list. I think the buyer should not be forced to sign in to receive what he paid for. Ethically its not positive at all. I think the approach should be to offer the buyer to optin after he received the product, he will have the opportunity to choose from optin or not.

      I know people will loose optins, but a forced subscriber, probably will not help you much with your sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    And another big slice of nonsense....

    Rule #2: Compliance with Law and Rules

    All WSOs must comply with forum rules, the laws of Australia and the laws of your geographic location. Sellers must comply with all legal requirements for advertising, both under the laws of Australia and the country in which you live or predominantly reside.
    Which, pray tell, takes precedence?

    I think that maybe the person who was given the job of re-writing these rules has a drug problem
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post

      And another big slice of nonsense....
      Which, pray tell, takes precedence?

      I think that maybe the person who was given the job of re-writing these rules has a drug problem
      I'm still scratching my head over this one. How in the world is requiring that laws be upheld where WF as a corporation is based and in your own geographic area indicative of a drug problem???

      The answer of which takes precedence is pretty easy....BOTH. WF based in Australia should not have to violate a law that they are obliged to follow jsut to publish your WSO and you shouldn't be breaking a law you are obliged to follow.
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  • Profile picture of the author jalexanderseo
    Ok so you can't sell a list that you built for your company to your successor of your company. You can't have your customers optin for updates to get updates. You can't use JVZoo because that would violate the having the offer on another site rule oh that brings up the point that you can't have your own site to host what they are buying because if its open to the public to buy on then you get rejected. Anything else I'm missing on how this is good for business.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Nice I was about to launch a serie of free guides and bump them aggresively.

      Guess I have to spend my money elsewhere instead.

      Any suggestions where?
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  • Profile picture of the author Eliza Marzanna
    Well now members can just visit the other section.

    So this is just a movement from one section to the other.

    Why is this so horrible?
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Eliza Marzanna View Post

      Well now members can just visit the other section.

      So this is just a movement from one section to the other.

      Why is this so horrible?
      Classified ads section has like a dozen or more less visitors.

      We can move but the buyers / people interested won't move cause of that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Eliza Marzanna View Post

      Why is this so horrible?
      For some people, it feels horrible because they're being told that they now have to advertise in a very low-traffic place rather than in a relatively high-traffic one.

      I suspect, myself, that many of them would actually be far better off running a $1 WSO than a free one, anyway, to build a buyers' list of people known to have either a credit-card or a PayPal account and both the willingness and the ability to use it to pay for things online, but that's their business.

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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        For some people, it feels horrible because they're being told that they now have to advertise in a very low-traffic place rather than in a relatively high-traffic one.

        I suspect, myself, that many of them would actually be far better off running a $1 WSO than a free one, anyway, to build a buyers' list of people known to have either a credit-card or a PayPal account and both the willingness and the ability to use it to pay for things online, but that's their business.

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        I dunno, Alexa, you mean to tell me that you think a list of credit card enabled buyers willing to use those is worth more than a list of people with no skin in the game.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claire Koch
        there you go

        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        For some people, it feels horrible because they're being told that they now have to advertise in a very low-traffic place rather than in a relatively high-traffic one.

        I suspect, myself, that many of them would actually be far better off running a $1 WSO than a free one, anyway, to build a buyers' list of people known to have either a credit-card or a PayPal account and both the willingness and the ability to use it to pay for things online, but that's their business.

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  • Profile picture of the author ahmadashfaq
    Thats a bummer, I was about to launch one..
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
    Yeah, I don't get it. If you can clearly 'do it' (make people opt in) in another section of the WF and in your forum signature why scrape a great strategy to build lists and add value before selling something? They don't have to opt in if they don't want it. As far as the pay for something and add to your email list, I think a disclaimer could solve that?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
    Here's a full list of the rules: Warrior Forum - The #1 Internet Marketing Forum & Marketplace - Announcements in Forum : Warrior Special Offers

    Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post

    ..It gets worse.... from the fees section...
    The $100 price is if you want a "sticky" post at the top of the Classified Ad section for 24 hours....

    It still only costs $20 to run a classified ad.

    "All listing, bump and sticky fees are final and non-refundable. This includes if your offer is removed from sale.

    Payment For WSO Threads and Bumps:
    WSO Listing Fee - $20
    WSO Bump Fee- $19.95

    Payment for Sticky:
    WSO - $200
    Complete Web Sites for Sale - $100
    Warrior For Hire - $100
    Web Hosting Offers - $100
    Warrior Forum Classified Ads - $100
    Wanted - Members Looking To Hire You - $100
    Affiliate Program Database - $100"

    Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post

    It gets worse....

    This is ridiculous as even the Warrior Payments system has autoresponder integration, so all buyers are automatically added to your list without their "knowledge or consent".
    "Sellers are not to force email opt ins from customers to gain access to their product."

    You are now allowed to FORCE people to optin as a way for them to gain access. This is something PayPal even has issues with.

    W+, JVZoo, etc... when a person purchases they are automatically added to a list in the background so it doesn't interfere with the purchasing process and allows the person to still gain access.
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  • Profile picture of the author gluckspilz
    Wait... so is the fee to post a brand new thread on the Classified Ad section now $100?

    Or is that only to have it sticky...

    Because if it's $100 for a Classified Ad, I sense ghost town
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
    This is something many members (both old and new) on here have been clamoring about for years. Now they got it.

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Wish there was just a section for free WSO's.

    For sellers, if you conform to the rules, there's an opportunity there to make more sales and for your offer to be on the frontpage longer so whatever organic traffic there is (not much at this point), your offer will be seen more.

    I agree with some of the rules but not with others. Again, this was done because of all the bitching and whining over the WSO section for years.

    Now all that whining can stop and guess what? now buyers have no one to blame for purchasing decisions but themselves. No scapegoating the product creators anymore. (of course that's wishful thinking)

    Any income claims are vetted to some extent or you can't use them at all and the offer must be transparent (no blind sales copy)

    Of course, using a line like this in your WSO thread: "I'm not allowed to say how much money you can make" will cause plenty of intrigue

    The rules of the game have changed. Some will win, others will lose.

    Originally Posted by gluckspilz View Post

    Wait... so is the fee to post a brand new thread on the Classified Ad section now $100?

    Or is that only to have it sticky...

    Because if it's $100 for a Classified Ad, I sense ghost town
    No, the OP was wrong.

    The $100 price is if you want a "sticky" post at the top of the Classified Ad section for 24 hours.

    It still only costs $20 to run a classified ad.

    "All listing, bump and sticky fees are final and non-refundable. This includes if your offer is removed from sale.

    Payment For WSO Threads and Bumps:
    WSO Listing Fee - $20
    WSO Bump Fee- $19.95

    Payment for Sticky:
    WSO - $200
    Complete Web Sites for Sale - $100
    Warrior For Hire - $100
    Web Hosting Offers - $100
    Warrior Forum Classified Ads - $100
    Wanted - Members Looking To Hire You - $100
    Affiliate Program Database - $100"
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post

    This was just pointed out to me in the revised WSO rules...
    ..It gets worse.... from the fees section...

    In my opinion, this is yet another decision that will make this place a ghost town.
    No ... getting rid of free offers from the WSO section will not make this place a ghost town and no Classified Ads are not $100. Free offers are basically some free crap designed for the seller to capture emails to build a list that no one probably even wants to be on. I've yet to see a free offer that offered something I'd like to have.

    Payment for Sticky: <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
    WSO - $200
    Complete Web Sites for Sale - $100
    Warrior For Hire - $100
    Web Hosting Offers - $100
    Warrior Forum Classified Ads - $100
    Wanted - Members Looking To Hire You - $100
    Affiliate Program Database - $100

    And no one should have to join a mailing list to get their product that they just purchased. I'm fairly certain that autoresponder integration will not be included in that scenario, but that having to enter your email in a form to get access to your product will.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    Hey...apologies for getting the class ads price wrong!

    It is indeed $20 per listing.
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    My gosh.

    Honestly... my gosh.

    So the rules are changing because a corporation bought an entity and choose to run it as benefits, gasp, the corporation.

    There are STILL fantastically grand reasons to use the WF. It's STILL a highly-trafficked destination for those who want to learn about making money online.

    So freebie WSOs have been moved to the classifieds. Well guess what. I have released 8 of them during the past 2 months (one of them nearly free). From that, I built up my lists more. And every time I release a freebie, I let my lists know about it.

    So they'll now visit the Classifieds. So what?

    *Anyone* can easily release a 97 cent goodie or a $5 goodie or $9.97 leadgen to the main WSO forum to stay in compliance.

    Evolve, folks.

    It's very simple.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by barbling View Post

      So freebie WSOs have been moved to the classifieds. Well guess what. I have released 8 of them during the past 2 months (one of them nearly free). From that, I built up my lists more. And every time I release a freebie, I let my lists know about it.

      So they'll now visit the Classifieds. So what?
      Let us know how many signups you get from a free offer in the classifieds section versus the WSO section.

      That's the "so what". Big difference in traffic and what you get for your $20.

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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    Alexa knows whats up.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      "Free" WSOs have been increasingly scammy. From poorly written short 'reports' used to build a seller's list to sellers who appear to be selling those new leads to other marketers.

      I think the new rules will put the "special" back into the WSO section - I hope that's the case at any rate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gavin Stephenson
    Here's the thing I've been able to turn free wso's (from the wso section) into a 5 figure months. Can the classified section get the same results..? Not to sure?

    My students have been able to get amazing results with free wso's too. It's a great way to build a list. Probably the highest quality traffic in the internet marketing niche.

    If you have a better IM traffic source let me know (apart from doing a product launch)? I am pretty sure there isn't for the price of $20. Solo ads, adwaps, clickbanking, are all low quality poo poo traffic sources.

    I create high quality free wso's and teach my students to do the same. I tell them to create wso's that could be sold for $7. Thank god I did that.

    Now that they've moved free wso to a the classified section I will be testing it out to see if it's worth doing. I'll need to invest a couple bucks to see if it's worth my time and my students time.

    I think another path here is Charging a very low amount ($1.00 or less) inside the main WSO section, with decent copy of course. Then promote your main offer as an upsell. TripWire so to speak, or develop a strong follow for your buyers list.

    in my experience BUMPING a paid wso doesn't make much income at all unless you're selling at a price point of $20+ (to crush it more within the $27 - $1000 range to be honest).

    So the $1.00 tripwire has to be tested unless anyone can chime in here on there experience with a low prices like this?

    I don't see the classified section working to be honest. Who knows? I am going to test it anyhow and see what happens because I could be wrong.

    Also, I integrate with W+ when doing a free wso so this is going to be a problem with W+ too. I've contacted them to ask them what is happening with tracking/free offers etc.

    All in all this is business, things change, while we can all whine and complain. Finding solutions should be the focus now.

    It's a shame WF took this away. They have temporary stopped a lot of peoples income stream (you should have multiple anyway).

    I don't know how this benefits the forum at all because a lot of people don't make good money from bumping paid wso's. People who do well with WSO's do launches or have a list. Surely it will clean up a lot of crap but it will also reduce WF income significantly i believe.

    Unless you're in the launch circles, its going to be tuff for a lot of people to get started. That's if the classified ad section sucks.

    For me I know I can still make good money from bumping alone, but there are a lot of people who can't!

    I guess this is a sneaky ploy too to get people to buy banners, sticky thread. Sticky thread sucks and the banner traffic isn't that great unless you know what you're doing

    Well the bar has been raised either way.


    UPDATE:

    So just a thought, With no FREE WSO's in WSO section + no duplicate threads. This means a longer time on first page I guess?? This could possible increase sales? I wonder how this is going to pan out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
    One thing they need to consider doing now is removing the signature lines from the Classified Ad section just like they did in the WSO section.

    A lot of people will go into the Classified Ad section commenting on threads and trying syphon off traffic or get people to their offers. You see this happening a lot now, but it will get worse.

    Originally Posted by Gavin Stephenson View Post


    Also, I integrate with W+ when doing a free wso so this is going to be a problem with W+ too. I've contacted them to ask them what is happening with tracking/free offers etc.
    Shouldn't change anything in W+, with any offer funnel you can specify the URL. You can even use the buttons outside the forum.

    Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

    Alexa knows whats up.
    21.3% of that traffic is now coming from India so not only is the quantity of traffic less but so is the quality.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I've been able to turn free wso's (from the wso section) into a 5 figure months...

      My students have been able to get amazing results with free wso's too. It's a great way to build a list.
      When a handful of people ran "free WSO's" that provided at least some level of quality material - and built a profitable list from it...my feeling was more power to them.

      But quite a few of those people ran "free WSO's" to teach others "how to build your list running Free WSOs" and various "coaching programs" advised people to build lists quickly by running "free WSO's.

      Before too long, what you end up with are people offering garbage to build a list and all the freebie offers building lists from the same pool of IMers.

      I've downloaded a few freebies recently that were not as long as the SALES page advertising them. I've read a few "free WSO's" in the past few months that said basically NOTHING that would help anyone at any level. That's what happens when a "useful method" becomes saturated.

      It could be moving the freebies to the classified section will boost visitors to that section. Traffic there has been declining mainly because most of the "offers" seem to be "reviews" (can you sale sales pages?) to latest fads in MMO and IM products. Adding the new "freebie" offers could boost that section.
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    Their website, their rules.

    Adapt or die.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gavin Stephenson
      Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post

      A lot of people will go into the Classified Ad section commenting on threads and trying syphon off traffic or get people to their offers. You see this happening a lot now, but it will get worse.
      Never thought of that...

      I guess they will be removing the sig in this section too.

      Thanks for the heads up about W+


      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      When a handful of people ran "free WSO's" that provided at least some level of quality material - and built a profitable list from it...my feeling was more power to them.
      You hit the nail on the head.

      I guess when something good everyone jumps on it.

      The same thing happened with clickbank, solo ads, adswaps, clickbanking and now free wso.

      Like i said, the bar needs to be raised.

      I guess i've been living in a bubble because I haven't subscribed to anyones free wso in a long while and its sad to hear it headed in this direction.

      WF made the changes .. hopefully it cleans things up and makes room for better things to come.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Re: free offers: Set the price to a dollar. Or a penny.

      Re: forced email: You're already getting the buyer's email address via PayPal and/or in the Warrior Payments interface.

      If you need to get that email address again, distribute your PDF behind a membership script. This will force the buyer to provide an email address. With the membership script software you can send messages to your subscribers whenever you want without paying for an autoresponder/email service.

      If you want the forced signup to an autoresponder list then sell the product elsewhere. This policy will likely push some sellers to other services.

      Traffic stats: Watching the home page to see how many people have been visiting different sections, there has been a noticed drop-off in traffic to the WSO section. Without "foot traffic" there's less of a reason to spend $20 posting offers on the forum when the same offer can be posted for free on W+, JVZoo, and elsewhere. When sales depend on your own efforts, or affiliates, and not forum foot traffic, there isn't much of a reason to spend that $20 or $200 for a sticky.

      Special offers only: It has always been the rule a WSO is supposed to be a special deal exclusive to the forum. It has also long been the rule that this rule has been ignored by sellers and the forum. If this rule is going to be enforced it will be interesting to see what happens.

      Warrior Forum trademark: The WF is now trying to extend its trademark beyond "Warrior Forum" to any product with the name "Warrior" in it. That doesn't fly legally, but if the forum wants to ban products with certain words it can do that: whether the words are Warrior, fred, or peanut butter.

      Refunds: Buyers are now on notice that if no refund policy is stated there is no refund policy.

      Selling emails: Seriously. Who wrote this? The policy is supposed to prevent sellers from selling buyer's emails so buyers know they can safely buy WSOs. Selling emails has long been grounds to be banned from the forum, and it has cost several noteworthy marketers their forum membership. It has had nothing to do with someday selling your business and associated customer lists. You know, like Allen selling the WF to Freelancer and not deleting all the forum email addresses, which Freelancer has used to pitch offer after offer. This is called interference with contract and the WF has no chance of enforcing the rule. All it will do is push sellers to use other services.

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      Adapt or die.
      I think there are probably more choices than just those two.
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        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        I think there are probably more choices than just those two.
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  • Profile picture of the author spearce000
    Rule #13: Selling Email Lists and Leads

    Sellers must not sell, trade or give out the email addresses of their WSO customers. This includes if you sell your business to a third party at a later date.
    Going to be interesting seeing how they enforce this one. If you sell your business the mailing list is an asset of that business - sometimes the ONLY asset. Who will freelancer sue? You? You don't own the list anymore. Your buyer? They're not under any contractual obligation to Freelancer. How do they PROVE the list is from WSO buyers? It's not economic to purchase every WSO just to seed the list and catch people out.

    I reckon whoever dreamt this one up had been drinking too much eggnog (or spending too much time in the Aussie Christmas sunshine ).
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    • Profile picture of the author snginc
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      Originally Posted by spearce000 View Post

      I reckon whoever dreamt this one up had been drinking too much eggnog (or spending too much time in the Aussie Christmas sunshine ).
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    • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
      Originally Posted by spearce000 View Post

      Going to be interesting seeing how they enforce this one. If you sell your business the mailing list is an asset of that business - sometimes the ONLY asset. Who will freelancer sue? You? You don't own the list anymore. Your buyer? They're not under any contractual obligation to Freelancer. How do they PROVE the list is from WSO buyers? It's not economic to purchase every WSO just to seed the list and catch people out.

      I reckon whoever dreamt this one up had been drinking too much eggnog (or spending too much time in the Aussie Christmas sunshine ).
      That one is not enforceable.

      WF is an advertising venue when it comes to WSOs. Nothing more. I don't have plans to but if I were to sell my business, including its lists of hundreds of thousands of emails, WF and anyone else who tries to stand in the way can kiss my ass.

      When one advertises, they're buying traffic. They're also buying whatever results they get. Those results are in the form of email lists and revenue. Since we've bought those results from the forum, they belong to us. We can do whatever we want with them, for better or for worse.

      That's the way I see it...... and that's the way the US federal court system sees it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Since we've bought those results from the forum, they belong to us. We can do whatever we want with them, for better or for worse.
        I don't think the admin here meant to say you couldn't sell your list with your business.

        If I download your report and give you my email address - I am NOT giving you blanket permission to pass that email on or sell it. I am not giving unseen marketers permission to start sending me promotional emails. That's been happening here and it needs to stop.

        If your point in building a list here is to resell the email addresses - you should have to disclose that on the signup page.
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  • Profile picture of the author jalexanderseo
    So here is a good question if we can't sell lists built out of WSO's can the WF still use their list they bought when they purchased it lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Interesting.

    Their forum, their rules.

    My personal opinion is that it is a bad move BUT plenty of places to advertise - not just the Warrior forum.

    As long as the "thing" you are offering for free is of some 'value' I really don't see why they would do this, maybe screen the free offers but as above, hope it works out better for them - love the Warrior fourm.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gavin Stephenson
    Another thing that could happen is you'll just get a ton of CRAP $1.00 ebooks. Where as before it was free crap.

    Now people will investing money for crap... lol

    oh crap

    I guess this will call out the good from the bad.

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    As long as the "thing" you are offering for free is of some 'value' I really don't see why they would do this, maybe screen the free offers but as above, hope it works out better for them - love the Warrior fourm.
    Boom...

    All they had to too was improve the approval process.

    so true
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    • Profile picture of the author michaelmac
      Originally Posted by Gavin Stephenson View Post

      Now people will investing money for crap... lol
      Well Gavin it would be your responsibility as one who teaches others to build their lists this way, to ensure that your students don't produce crap to build these lists then mate...then you're doing your part to clean up the mess
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          Originally Posted by Gavin Stephenson View Post

          Thanks for chiming in though
          Chiming in lol...well thank you for your approval Gavin!
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    LOL @ all the people whining. Of course you're whining: playing by the rules requires a bit of sweat, doesn't it? And you don't like that, do you?
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    guys a question, was this befor freelancer bought the forum or just after???
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  • Profile picture of the author AmanD
    The rules sound fair enough to me. It's only the people who are trying to push their (generally worthless) free WSO's to build a list of newbies they can promote to, who will be effected. Not a big loss.
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  • Profile picture of the author JNAssociates
    I downloaded a free WSO today just for kicks. The person seemed like a "reputable" person here. I was then sent to about 5 WSO offers that I quickly skipped over before I could download the free "content". I don't know if all free WSO's are the same but based on the majority of these responses, I'll make the assumption that at least 70% of it is garbage.

    When I finally downloaded the content, it was literally a couple of sentences and some very generic links that equated to nothing. Actually, one of the links was www.warriorforum.com. I think stuff like that takes away from the over all purpose and feel of the forum or at least, what it could be. I'm sure a lot of traffic leaves the site due to obvious low grade forms of marketing that others do for the sake of some sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author Seofor5
      Originally Posted by JNAssociates View Post

      I downloaded a free WSO today just for kicks. The person seemed like a "reputable" person here. I was then sent to about 5 WSO offers that I quickly skipped over before I could download the free "content". I don't know if all free WSO's are the same but based on the majority of these responses, I'll make the assumption that at least 70% of it is garbage.

      When I finally downloaded the content, it was literally a couple of sentences and some very generic links that equated to nothing. Actually, one of the links was www.warriorforum.com. I think stuff like that takes away from the over all purpose and feel of the forum or at least, what it could be. I'm sure a lot of traffic leaves the site due to obvious low grade forms of marketing that others do for the sake of some sales.
      That may be the case for some WSOs, but I literally spent about 50 or more hours on mine, as I provided over an hour of video content through Udemy, which is what I give them for free.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pat Flanagan
    Anyone who thinks the rule changes are no big deal needs to read the second sentence of rule #13. That's a big deal.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Pat Flanagan View Post

      Anyone who thinks the rule changes are no big deal needs to read the second sentence of rule #13. That's a big deal.
      Anyone who thinks any part of #13 is a bad thing is someone that I never want to buy a product from and never want to have my email address.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Anyone who thinks the rule changes are no big deal needs to read the second sentence of rule #13. That's a big deal.
        Rule #13 is only one sentence....?
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon Anthony
    Things like this often cause immediate knee-jerk reactions but only time tells what it means.

    Everyone will know in time that free WSO's have moved. Then a sub forum with little traffic should become a sub forum with a lot of traffic from people seeking free WSO's. Although I think it's a bit daft to put them in the Classified Ads section. Surely a dedicated sub forum for free WSO's would have been far more logical. A free WSO is not a Classified Ad and shouldn't be treated as one. And it's dumb to now clutter up that sub forum with free WSO's when people go there explicitly to find solo sellers and services. That's the dumbest move of all in my mind.

    In the meantime the worthwhile free WSO's will probably become $1 WSO's.

    Adapt and move on. Only people who need to worry are the ones churning out the utter garbage free WSO's.

    Admittedly I never launched anything on Warrior, only JVZoo. I was planning a free WSO in January, but a worthwhile one. Will now wait to see the implications in the next weeks. If it looks negative I'll release it as a cheap WSO and see how it goes in the future.
    I'm a newbie in product creation, but I don't do cr*p worthless products. So I have no worries whichever way I do it.

    In a few months I'd expect that free WSO's are still alive and kicking in the Classifieds.

    Handle the transition period with bit of thought and you'll probably be fine.

    Just sayin'.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alaister
    Thanks for your discussion and thoughts. Our main goal with the new rules and the WSO section is to provide a trusted marketplace for buyers to be able to find the best Internet marketing deals available and a strong distribution platform for serious sellers with high quality products to promote their offers.

    In regards to the free offers, a lot of them have been extremely low quality and have not added real value to the marketplace and community. This has crowded the marketplace and driven away a lot of potential buyers. Obviously, this isn't the case for all free offers however it's a rule we have put in place to eliminate the numerous low quality free offers in order improve the quality as a whole.

    There has also been a lot of discussion around Rule #18. After a buyer has purchased a product they have the right to access the product immediately without having to go through a forced email opt-in for the sole purposes of building a list. This is to improve the overall buyer experience. This rule does not prevent sellers from collecting buyer emails by using auto-responder integration with Warrior Payments or other platforms.

    You make a good point in regards to the selling of email lists. Our goal here was to prevent sellers abusing buyer emails however we understand the point a lot of you have made in regards to a situation when you sell you business. We have amended this rule.
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    • Profile picture of the author SteveSki
      Classified ads use to be $5.00 and WSO's $40.00 until Freelancer purchased the forum.

      So with the price of both sections being $20 now and everyone able to see that the classified section gets hardly any visitors compared to the WSO section I understand why the WSO section started to get clogged up with low quality and free offers.

      The old $40 WSO price kept a lot of the garbage offers out of the WSO section but once both sections cost the same to post in everyone wanted their offer in the WSO section because it gets 100 times the traffic that the classifieds get.
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      • Profile picture of the author Pat Flanagan
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Anyone who thinks any part of #13 is a bad thing is someone that I never want to buy a product from and never want to have my email address.
        Your buyers list is a business asset, which regularly is transferable to the new owner in the event of a business sale. No news there. Freelancer definitely bought a list of email addresses when they bought Warrior Forum.

        If you're thinking I mean selling email addresses to the highest bidder, you're incorrect. If you think businesses shouldn't be able to sell their buyer/client/customer list with their business, then, well, don't buy anything from me, I guess.

        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Rule #13 is only one sentence....?
        It was two. It's since been amended to remove the second sentence.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Pat Flanagan View Post

          Your buyers list is a business asset, which regularly is transferable to the new owner in the event of a business sale. No news there. Freelancer definitely bought a list of email addresses when they bought Warrior Forum.

          If you're thinking I mean selling email addresses to the highest bidder, you're incorrect. If you think businesses shouldn't be able to sell their buyer/client/customer list with their business, then, well, don't buy anything from me, I guess.
          I agree then. If that was stated in the beginning, I wouldn't have bothered to post, but I am glad to see a rule against selling or swapping your customer's emails, although I have little doubt that will continue to go on since you can't really monitor or prove it in any way.
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        • Profile picture of the author spearce000
          Originally Posted by Pat Flanagan View Post

          Freelancer definitely bought a list of email addresses when they bought Warrior Forum.
          Be interesting to see what happens if/when Freelancer decide to sell the forum on to somebody else.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gavin Stephenson
      Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

      Thanks for your discussion and thoughts. Our main goal with the new rules and the WSO section is to provide a trusted marketplace for buyers to be able to find the best Internet marketing deals available and a strong distribution platform for serious sellers with high quality products to promote their offers.

      In regards to the free offers, a lot of them have been extremely low quality and have not added real value to the marketplace and community. This has crowded the marketplace and driven away a lot of potential buyers. Obviously, this isn't the case for all free offers however it's a rule we have put in place to eliminate the numerous low quality free offers in order improve the quality as a whole.
      This comes down to an improved approval process. Just like clickbank did a few years back.

      People will just release low qaulity paid now no?

      Isnt the current low quality paid products the issue too?

      Its Just is confusing how moving free wso is the solution.. A stronger approval process should have fixed all the issues in regards to low qaulity products and free offers.

      why was the conclusion to move free wso to a new section?

      bewildered.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Gavin Stephenson View Post

        People will just release low quality paid now no?

        Isnt the current low quality paid products the issue too?
        People who get junk for free usually don't say as much as people who pay even a dollar for it. So there is less negative backlash to get sellers to improve. Plus if you want to increase the reputation of WSO in the eyes of potential sellers moving the freebie hunters isn't a bad move.

        Think about it - a few months from now the traffic looking at your ads will be predominantly people at least able and willing to become a buyer. If people can't see the advantage in that they are not thinking very hard as marketers.
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    • Profile picture of the author ioan draniciar
      Regarding the rule #18 as far as I can understand, at the moment W+ require a forced optin before people can access their purchase. Is that correct?

      If that's correct then we can't use W+ to process our payments unless they adapt their system.

      Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

      Thanks for your discussion and thoughts. Our main goal with the new rules and the WSO section is to provide a trusted marketplace for buyers to be able to find the best Internet marketing deals available and a strong distribution platform for serious sellers with high quality products to promote their offers.

      In regards to the free offers, a lot of them have been extremely low quality and have not added real value to the marketplace and community. This has crowded the marketplace and driven away a lot of potential buyers. Obviously, this isn't the case for all free offers however it's a rule we have put in place to eliminate the numerous low quality free offers in order improve the quality as a whole.

      There has also been a lot of discussion around Rule #18. After a buyer has purchased a product they have the right to access the product immediately without having to go through a forced email opt-in for the sole purposes of building a list. This is to improve the overall buyer experience. This rule does not prevent sellers from collecting buyer emails by using auto-responder integration with Warrior Payments or other platforms.

      You make a good point in regards to the selling of email lists. Our goal here was to prevent sellers abusing buyer emails however we understand the point a lot of you have made in regards to a situation when you sell you business. We have amended this rule.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
        Originally Posted by ioan draniciar View Post

        Regarding the rule #18 as far as I can understand, at the moment W+ require a forced optin before people can access their purchase. Is that correct?

        If that's correct then we can't use W+ to process our payments unless they adapt their system.
        No. W+ and JVzoo both add subscribers to your list in the background right after purchase, it's done automatically. Warrior Payments does the same thing.

        The flow is never interrupted and customers get their products without forcing them to enter their email address in order for them to access.

        It's compliant with rule #18. PayPal also has issues with people doing this. That's why these payment platforms do it in the background.
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        • Profile picture of the author ioan draniciar
          That's awesome! No worries then. I was worried that W+ might only automatically add subscribers to their list and not ours as well. Thank you!

          But with the Free WSO's wasn't that the case? Those who clicked on the download button were immediately required (forced) to leave their name and email before they can get access. That's what is confusing me.



          Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post

          No. W+ and JVzoo both add subscribers to your list in the background right after purchase, it's done automatically. Warrior Payments does the same thing.

          The flow is never interrupted and customers get their products without forcing them to enter their email address in order for them to access.

          It's compliant with rule #18. PayPal also has issues with people doing this. That's why these payment platforms do it in the background.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedHat39
    Actually, these new rules are not as bad as some are taking them to be. But regardless of how you view them if you want to play in the WF ballpark you've got to play by their rules. I guess I'm saying the same thing that Barb said "adapt" and move on.

    Also I do agree with Mark that the forum signatures should be removed from the classified section. In fact I'll take it a step further and say they should be removed from all sections that require payment for a listing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by RedHat39 View Post

      Also I do agree with Mark that the forum signatures should be removed from the classified section. In fact I'll take it a step further and say they should be removed from all sections that require payment for a listing.
      I think this would be very sensible, and would also effectively mean that the forum was offering its paid advertisers a slightly better facility "for their fees". It might even make a few more ad-space sales.

      I'd certainly be extremely disappointed, as an advertiser, if I felt that people were posting in my paid thread in order to display their signatures (as so often happens at the moment).

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  • Profile picture of the author nicoli
    This is a welcome change and the benefits certainly outweigh the minor adaptations some of you will need to make. Well played FL
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    I have run one WSO in my life. If these rules had been in place I probably would have never ran that one. I got to say I don't like many of them and can see why people are bitching.

    I see at Alexa that the Warrior Forum took a bit hit in traffic along about October.


    I wonder if this has anything to do with a corporate entity taking over and Alan stepping down. Alan was a marketer at heart, and he started this forum with the thought of helping marketers. I don't know who in hell Freelancer is. Other than they are buying up a lot of freelance sites and who knows what, but Warrior Forum is one of them.

    Now it belongs to them, and you know what they say, he who has the gold makes the rule. Warrior Forum used to be the gold, it ain't so shiny any more though. The traffic stats show the truth. I know I barely come here any more.

    If I had a product to release to build a list, I would put it in the SEO section and price it at $0.99 or something. With a good up sell to make some money, just like usual. But I don't, and probably won't. If I was to create a product, I would probably put it on Warrior Plus or JVZoo and drive my own traffic and recruit JVs to drive traffic. Warrior Forum will lose a lot of money by changing these rules the way they did.

    Not saying rules didn't need changing, just saying some rule changes didn't help.

    But ask me if I care a damn. No! My life goes on. I am heading for five figures a month before this time next year, and on to six figures a month the year after. Without releasing a single WSO.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      ctober.
      I wonder if this has anything to do with a corporate entity taking over and Alan stepping down.
      Alan didn't step down. He sold out and its time to stop throwing stones at Freelancer be cause they paid him, He ran this forum to get paid just like anyone else would not just to "help marketers".

      I don't know who in hell Freelancer is.
      They are the new owners that people can start showing some simple respect for. In case you didn't know they asked a lot of people before changing these rules and many of them were specifically asked for.

      But ask me if I care a damn. No! My life goes on. I am heading for five figures a month before this time next year, and on to six figures a month the year after. Without releasing a single WSO.
      What are you even talking about Tim??? You have one being run on your behalf right in your sig that I and others contributed to.

      Seriously all this crying over free offers. No one can write copy or build a product that will make people want to pay $1.00 for so you build an actual buyer's list??

      Maybe thats why the traffic was in decline. Traffic just caught up to the WSO section quality.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      But ask me if I care a damn. No! My life goes on. I am heading for five figures a month before this time next year, and on to six figures a month the year after. Without releasing a single WSO.
      Then why do you still have a charity WSO in your signature selling products that you donated to you by caring Warriors for the purpose of helping with medical expenses?
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by timpears View Post


        But ask me if I care a damn. No! My life goes on. I am heading for five figures a month before this time next year, and on to six figures a month the year after. Without releasing a single WSO.
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Then why do you still have a charity WSO in your signature selling products that you donated to you by caring Warriors for the purpose of helping with medical expenses?
        Sorry Tim,
        But talk about credibility being shot. I do not understand why people do not think before they say
        things

        Then people wonder why others can be so cynical and suspicious !
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      • Profile picture of the author timpears
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Alan didn't step down. He sold out and its time to stop throwing stones at Freelancer be cause they paid him, He ran this forum to get paid just like anyone else would not just to "help marketers".

        They are the new owners that people can start showing some simple respect for. In case you didn't know they asked a lot of people before changing these rules and many of them were specifically asked for.

        What are you even talking about Tim??? You have one being run on your behalf right in your sig that I and others contributed to.

        Seriously all this crying over free offers. No one can write copy or build a product that will make people want to pay $1.00 for so you build an actual buyer's list??

        Maybe thats why the traffic was in decline. Traffic just caught up to the WSO section quality.
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Then why do you still have a charity WSO in your signature selling products that you donated to you by caring Warriors for the purpose of helping with medical expenses?
        That WSO id still in my sig because I have not bothered to take it out. I don't even know if it is still up on the forum.

        Everyone has an opinion, most are like holes, they stink. Some are good, some bad, some what ever. I offered mine, like it or not, it is up to you.

        So is Alan still on board? I don't think so, so he stepped down. Yes, he sold a pretty damn good forum, and it is deteriorating as the numbers say. I don't give a s* about the rules as I don't play the game. Maybe I will some day, then maybe I won't. No one can say. There is a lot of negative comment in this thread, and I tend to side with those who are on the negative opinion side. My choice. If anyone doesn't like it, that is their choice.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by timpears View Post

          Everyone has an opinion, most are like ass holes, they stink........ I offered mine, like it or not, it is up to you.......... I don't give a shit about the rules as I don't play the game. Maybe I will some day, then maybe I won't. No one can say.
          Thats some pretty good sales copy Tim. Save it for the next kidney drive. I am sure it will convert like gangbusters

          P.S. sig is still live as of this post and go figure the payment link is still working. Might as well take it down since you are on the verge of 5 and then 6 figures in the next twelve months and don't give a ...well you know
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        • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
          Originally Posted by timpears View Post

          Everyone has an opinion, most are like ass holes, they stink. Some are good, some bad, some what ever. I offered mine, like it or not, it is up to you.

          I don't give a shit about the rules as I don't play the game. Maybe I will some day, then maybe I won't.
          Hey, pretty good with the foul mouth attitude, particularly for one who made a complete meal out of exploiting Warrior's kindness and generosity towards you.

          Originally Posted by timpears View Post

          But ask me if I care a damn. No! My life goes on. I am heading for five figures a month before this time next year, and on to six figures a month the year after. Without releasing a single WSO.
          Maybe you could repay the Warrior's donations back then, Mr Bigshot.


          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Then why do you still have a charity WSO in your signature selling products that you donated to you by caring Warriors for the purpose of helping with medical expenses?
          Originally Posted by timpears View Post

          That WSO id still in my sig because I have not bothered to take it out. I don't even know if it is still up on the forum
          The truth is you've left it there to continue to bleed any last dregs of donations from kind hearted folk.


          Originally Posted by timpears View Post

          I barely come here any more
          Hey, why not just terminate your membership, full stop. Or maybe the mods will pick up on the fact that you're boasting about earnings whilst ripping people off with a WSO link - and then ban you.

          Either way, with an attitude that completely stinks you'd be no loss to the forum whatsoever.
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          • Profile picture of the author timpears
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Thats some pretty good sales copy Tim. Save it for the next kidney drive. I am sure it will convert like gangbusters

            P.S. sig is still live as of this post and go figure the payment link is still working. Might as well take it down since you are on the verge of 5 and then 6 figures in the next twelve months and don't give a ...well you know
            Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

            Hey, pretty good with the foul mouth attitude, particularly for one who made a complete meal out of exploiting Warrior's kindness and generosity towards you.

            Maybe you could repay the Warrior's donations back then, Mr Bigshot.

            The truth is you've left it there to continue to bleed any last dregs of donations from kind hearted folk.

            Hey, why not just terminate your membership, full stop. Or maybe the mods will pick up on the fact that you're boasting about earnings whilst ripping people off with a WSO link - and then ban you.

            Either way, with an attitude that completely stinks you'd be no loss to the forum whatsoever.
            So I took the sig out, just for you two. The main reasons I didn't take it out were because I don't thin about it, no one has gone there in some time. And I couldn't remember how to edit my sig, but I found it as you should see.

            That is a good idea about repaying people. I give away much of what I get to people that need it more than I do. Because I get pleasure out of helping people. So I am kind of selfish that way.

            And it isn't a boast, it was a goal. I am on a path I am comfortable at last, and I know I can do it if I stick to the path I have laid out for myself.

            I find it funny that people can't have a difference of opinion without trying to be mean to others. Fortunately I don't care enough to be offended (or hurt).
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by timpears View Post

          That WSO id still in my sig because I have not bothered to take it out. I don't even know if it is still up on the forum.

          Everyone has an opinion, most are like holes, they stink. Some are good, some bad, some what ever. I offered mine, like it or not, it is up to you.
          There are a lot of things that stink Tim. Like you saying that you just haven't bothered to take the charity signature out, while bragging about 5/6 figure monthly incomes.

          Know what else stinks? Right after that charity WSO for you was launched, you couldn't keep your nose out of the WSO forum. You were in there constantly. A real shopping spree. I've always been one of those who contribute to these and never regretted it ... until I participated in yours. I certainly don't wish you any hard luck with your health, but I felt, and still feel, that we were duped. Especially Jason, who put so much of his time organizing it.

          You want to give constructive criticism about the new rules? Try saying something intelligent and useful, but I don't really think you have anything intelligent or useful to say, do you?
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          • Profile picture of the author timpears
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            There are a lot of things that stink Tim. Like you saying that you just haven't bothered to take the charity signature out, while bragging about 5/6 figure monthly incomes.

            Know what else stinks? Right after that charity WSO for you was launched, you couldn't keep your nose out of the WSO forum. You were in there constantly. A real shopping spree. I've always been one of those who contribute to these and never regretted it ... until I participated in yours. I certainly don't wish you any hard luck with your health, but I felt, and still feel, that we were duped. Especially Jason, who put so much of his time organizing it.

            You want to give constructive criticism about the new rules? Try saying something intelligent and useful, but I don't really think you have anything intelligent or useful to say, do you?
            Nope, I don't. Not bragging, that is my goal. Is that a bad thing?

            Yes, well that was a big misunderstanding, and I thought I had sorted that out, but maybe not. Sorry I have opinions that differ with yours. I don't try to walk in your shoes, so I won't assume to know. A lot of my traffic in the WSO forum was reviews I was asked to give. But then does that matter? I think not.
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          • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            There are a lot of things that stink Tim. Like you saying that you just haven't bothered to take the charity signature out, while bragging about 5/6 figure monthly incomes.

            Know what else stinks? Right after that charity WSO for you was launched, you couldn't keep your nose out of the WSO forum. You were in there constantly. A real shopping spree. I've always been one of those who contribute to these and never regretted it ... until I participated in yours. I certainly don't wish you any hard luck with your health, but I felt, and still feel, that we were duped. Especially Jason, who put so much of his time organizing it.

            You want to give constructive criticism about the new rules? Try saying something intelligent and useful, but I don't really think you have anything intelligent or useful to say, do you?
            I remember seeing that....what happened?
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Originally Posted by timpears View Post

          That WSO id still in my sig because I have not bothered to take it out. I don't even know if it is still up on the forum.
          I guess in the last 36 hours he 'didn't even know' again his Sig for the Drive is still there

          I assume it is too profitable to remember ?

          Did anyone bother to think that that 5 figure monthly income Tim is soon to reach is predicated on that WSO Sig ??
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  • Profile picture of the author Carlos Stratton
    I remember on June WF was 128th in Alexa and now 699th!
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    IMHO

    It does look like an honest attempt to take steps in the right direction. I like the efforts to conform more to legalities and the rules against the scrapers and other blackhat products. Unfortunately you can't legislate for excellence.

    I don't think any of the new rules will generally change the WSO section much at all. There will continue to be the very rare excellent products and the rest will still be very poor.
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  • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
    It does look like an honest attempt to take steps in the right direction, and I'm encouraged by the fact that amendments have already been made to some rules in order to address flaws revealed by member feedback.

    It works both ways though. We all have our own part to play in the way this place is perceived, and I find it a bit sad that the thread on the 'main' internet marketing discussion forum with the biggest number of page views and very nearly the biggest number of responses shows us standing in our 'shop window' highlighting how pants the place has become, how little it has to offer these days and how many are claiming they would like it to stay that way. It's not difficult to see why taking advantage of a Warrior 'Special' Offer might seem unattractive to the casual visitor.

    I'm not saying that this is a discussion that shouldn't be taking place - it's obvious it's badly needed - but the WSO forum was always the jewel in a much bigger crown. You can polish it up all you like, but as long as the stuff surrounding it goes neglected it might just as well be a diamond on a massive pile of bull dung.
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  • Profile picture of the author gcbmark20
    CHANGE IS GOOD FOR EVERYONE!

    This has happened for a reason and purpose so we have to ADAPT and
    grow as business owners/marketers/coaches/list builders etc.

    I have NO DOUBT that someone here will find a way to fully utilize this
    change and take full advantage of it.

    If the QUALITY of the FREE/PAID product that is posted at this new section
    is HIGH then plenty of members will begin to flock there just like they have at
    the WSO section all these years that have past too.

    I wait in GREAT anticipation to see what happens over the coming weeks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Just curious... how would any of this be a nail in the Warrior Forum
    coffin? Has there been a sillier subject line recently? I haven't seen one.

    Do you think Warrior Forum became the premier marketing forum on
    the internet because of WSOs?

    CLUE: If WSOs ceased to exist this forum would still thrive. Frankly, if they
    all went away I think it would be a good thing. But, I know the new owner has
    to make a buck and that's a good thing, as well. I applaud the new rules as
    a means of reigning in some of the "cowboys" around here.
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  • Profile picture of the author gabbydeb
    This is just my opinion, however I have observed in life in general, and especially concerning Gov't, that more rules and regulations, just produce more rules and regulations, and really don't bring about the desired results, as life goes on as usual and People discover new ways to get around the rule or regulation. All I have seen is that, more and more rules and regulations stifle creativity and business, even though perhaps, that wasn't the intended result.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe118
      Quick question -- there was mention earlier about W+ and jvzoo maybe not being allowed anymore because they direct traffic to offsite or something.

      So ARE they or are they NOT allowed?
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      • Profile picture of the author James Campbell
        Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

        Quick question -- there was mention earlier about W+ and jvzoo maybe not being allowed anymore because they direct traffic to offsite or something.

        So ARE they or are they NOT allowed?
        Would like some clarification on this also
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        • Profile picture of the author danieljb
          Originally Posted by James Campbell View Post

          Would like some clarification on this also
          If the buy button links to a checkout page on any distribution platform then it is fine.

          The offer will not be rejected if the WSO uses another platform that is not Warrior Payments.

          The intent of the rule is to prevent sellers from using the WSO Marketplace as a means to drive traffic to their website. These kinds of offers are best suited to the Classifieds.
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  • Profile picture of the author cloudstrife
    Does this affect Early Bird threads? I will not be selling anything at that point and will be asking exclusively for email addresses towards a future paid launch.
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  • Profile picture of the author smjconet
    I was just checking how many people are viewing the WSO Forum and those stats don't seem to be displayed today at the head of the forum and sub forums.

    Has anyone else noticed the number of members in a forum is now gone, or is it just my browser?

    Update: It must have been my browser, because it's working now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
      Originally Posted by smjconet View Post

      I was just checking how many people are viewing the WSO Forum and those stats don't seem to be displayed today at the head of the forum and sub forums.

      Has anyone else noticed the number of members in a forum is now gone, or is it just my browser?
      They're back now, but they did disappear for a while. I noticed it too.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Tightening up the rules is a good idea. It's been too lax for too long and we've seen a lot of crap be sold as a result. WF is the oldest IM forum out there. And they're trying to rescue it's reputation and image. I see nothing wrong with this. WSO creation shouldn't be seen as a long-term business model anyway.
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  • I didn't notice the rules until the other day that they have made up different rules. I have yet to get used to some of the few changes, but it's definitely great to be able to see how all of these changes happen and grow. We'll have to wait and see what is going to happen with the WSO forum since free WSOs are now completely gone, and that you can't just ask people for their emails. You have to go straight to checkout, but some people will still ppossibly use the w+ integration.
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  • Profile picture of the author Valdor Kiebach
    The new rules seem good to me.

    The only ones moaning will be those scammers and garbage sellers who cant do it anymore, even adding some crap PLR as a 'bonus' is now banned.

    Its a bit like people who moan about speed cameras, I drive past hundreds of speed cameras a year and have been fined once for guess what, speeding.

    Dont go over the speed limit then speed cameras make no difference, dont peddle shit in the WSO section and the new rules make no difference.

    I do agree that a dedicated 'Free Offer' section would be better than putting free offers in the classifieds.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    I am sure this will become just another thing sellers deal with in their daily business life. They will get over it, and flourish as most have in the past. None of it is a really big deal. The lists will get build, one way or another. I see offers for additional items if they subscribe to your list. Optional.

    We always adapt, don't we?
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
    Banned
    Meanwhile... the banners are still showing stuff like this $7 report that shows you how to "make $300+ per day" on Facebook. Fast Cash Formula Special Report

    Rule #8: Deceptive Conduct

    Deceptive conduct and outright scams will not be tolerated under any circumstances. Please note that buyers are encouraged to report any such behavior immediately.
    Yes I know that refers to WSOs but it should also apply to the scams in the banner ads. You've got guys advertising there that are NOTORIOUS scammers.

    This should also apply to the banners -
    Rule #2: Compliance with Law and Rules

    All WSOs must comply with forum rules, the laws of Australia and the laws of your geographic location. Sellers must comply with all legal requirements for advertising, both under the laws of Australia and the country in which you live or predominantly reside.

    Legal compliance is strictly your responsibility as the seller of the product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

      Yes I know that refers to WSOs but it should also apply to the scams in the banner ads. You've got guys advertising there that are NOTORIOUS scammers.

      This should also apply to the banners -
      Its already been announced in another thread where the issue was raised that the same rules are coming to the banners.
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  • Profile picture of the author arindamb
    Disclaimer - I don't intend to hurt Barry and I don't know him. My opinion has nothig to do with his products. My best wishes are with him.

    My 2 cents: Buyers have been taken for a wild ride and ripped badly by many sellers in the WSO section in the past and this was possible because the WSO section has had some loopholes. The forum is just trying to clean up the mess and trying to offer some kind of protection for "buyers".

    This is the new trend everywhere. Google is plugging its loopholes and so is Paypal. Supposedly no one wants "tricks" anymore. I welcome the change.

    P.S - If you haven't noticed, WSOs can no longer use income claims unless verifiable through Warrior Payments. Again, another massive change that's going to weed out some rogue sellers.
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