.com unavailable, so I opted for .org, need some advice.

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Hi!

I am interested in starting a blog and have a pretty good name for it, but the .com is unavailable so I took .org instead. Should I worry if the .com steals any of my ideas or starts a similar blog to mine (around the same topic)? Or should I just go with my idea and use .org.

I am kind of worried because I don't want to put so much effort on a site that may end up being outranked.

Thank you guys!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    I doubt the .org is the appropriate extension for what you have in mind. Get yourself a .com.

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    • Profile picture of the author spideyknight
      Originally Posted by Get Rich Methods View Post

      I doubt the .org is the appropriate extension for what you have in mind. Get yourself a .com.

      Tom
      It's an educational website, why would it not be appropriate?
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
        Originally Posted by spideyknight View Post

        It's an educational website, why would it not be appropriate?
        Before I answer that:

        The domain name org is a generic top-level domain (gTLD) of the Domain Name System (DNS) used in the Internet. The name is truncated from organization. It was one of the original domains established in 1985 and operated by the Public Interest Registry since 1988. The domain extension was originally created for non-profits, but this designation no longer exists and today it is commonly used by schools, open-source projects, and communities as well as by for-profit entities. The number of registered .org domains has increased from fewer than one million in the 1990s, to ten million as of June, 2012.


        Source: .org - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


        If you're monetizing the site, if you're a single legal entity, then, while the .org has evolved into an extension that is used by for-profit organizations, it is still not the most appropriate domain for a profit-seeking marketer.

        Furthermore, you should think of resale value. On the whole, .coms sell for several times more than other extensions, and get traded more readily.

        Lastly, ranking. No SEO can really tell you if a .com or a .org will rank better, given the limited information you gave in your initial post, but - more often than not, in my experience - a marketer will have better luck ranking a .com. Although, saying that, why a newcomer would waste time with SEO is beyond me. There are easier ways to deliver traffic.

        The typical order of buying domains for your purposes:

        1. .com
        2. .net
        3. .org

        I would always go for the .com, though. For the reasons given and many more.

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        • Profile picture of the author Edwin Torres
          Originally Posted by Get Rich Methods View Post

          Before I answer that:

          The domain name org is a generic top-level domain (gTLD) of the Domain Name System (DNS) used in the Internet. The name is truncated from organization. It was one of the original domains established in 1985 and operated by the Public Interest Registry since 1988. The domain extension was originally created for non-profits, but this designation no longer exists and today it is commonly used by schools, open-source projects, and communities as well as by for-profit entities. The number of registered .org domains has increased from fewer than one million in the 1990s, to ten million as of June, 2012.


          Source: .org - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


          If you're monetizing the site, if you're a single legal entity, then, while the .org has evolved into an extension that is used by for-profit organizations, it is still not the most appropriate domain for a profit-seeking marketer.

          Furthermore, you should think of resale value. On the whole, .coms sell for several times more than other extensions, and get traded more readily.

          Lastly, ranking. No SEO can really tell you if a .com or a .org will rank better, given the limited information you gave in your initial post, but - more often than not, in my experience - a marketer will have better luck ranking a .com. Although, saying that, why a newcomer would waste time with SEO is beyond me. There are easier ways to deliver traffic.

          The typical order of buying domains for your purposes:

          1. .com
          2. .net
          3. .org

          I would always go for the .com, though. For the reasons given and many more.

          Tom
          ^ what he says is 100% true. Always go with a .com. If someone forgets your domain name they'll put in .com before they even think about .org.
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        • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
          Originally Posted by Get Rich Methods View Post

          Before I answer that:

          The domain name org is a generic top-level domain (gTLD) of the Domain Name System (DNS) used in the Internet. The name is truncated from organization. It was one of the original domains established in 1985 and operated by the Public Interest Registry since 1988. The domain extension was originally created for non-profits, but this designation no longer exists and today it is commonly used by schools, open-source projects, and communities as well as by for-profit entities. The number of registered .org domains has increased from fewer than one million in the 1990s, to ten million as of June, 2012.


          Source: .org - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


          If you're monetizing the site, if you're a single legal entity, then, while the .org has evolved into an extension that is used by for-profit organizations, it is still not the most appropriate domain for a profit-seeking marketer.

          Furthermore, you should think of resale value. On the whole, .coms sell for several times more than other extensions, and get traded more readily.

          Lastly, ranking. No SEO can really tell you if a .com or a .org will rank better, given the limited information you gave in your initial post, but - more often than not, in my experience - a marketer will have better luck ranking a .com. Although, saying that, why a newcomer would waste time with SEO is beyond me. There are easier ways to deliver traffic.

          The typical order of buying domains for your purposes:

          1. .com
          2. .net
          3. .org

          I would always go for the .com, though. For the reasons given and many more.

          Tom
          I don't need to really expand because Tom did a great job putting together a worthy answer to your question.

          Only because I believe it's important. I will echo the existing sentiment that a ".org" name is not the post appropriate given the nature of your endeavors.

          I only have one ".org" name and that's for an NPO for which I'm on the board. Otherwise, I always go for .com for business websites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    Because .org is for organizations, such as American Heart Association (heart.org), etc.

    Also, some people will forget the extension and will enter, by default, .com. So you'll lose traffic this way.

    Generally speaking, it's best to get the .com domain name. Even if you plan on using another extension, such as .info, just get the .com one, too, and redirect it to your main one.
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  • Profile picture of the author nizamkhan
    You should have gone with .net instead. Is it available? If yes, then I suggest you grab it.

    - Nizam
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by spideyknight View Post

    I am kind of worried because I don't want to put so much effort on a site that may end up being outranked.
    I think you should be worried for a completely different reason from that.

    You're about to try to build a business on a site of which the .com variation already belongs to some else. That's the problem, here. That's all downside, however you look at it. At some point, you'll lose traffic, one way or another, to the owner of the .com; your url won't look as good; your resale value will be very small, by comparison. They're all disadvantages.

    Google has been saying (very consistently, at least ever since I've been online, if not for longer) on their blogs, on their websites, in videos, and in staff interviews with magazines and SEO websites, that all international TLD's are identical for all ranking purposes. There's no SEO issue here at all.


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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      This can work with a dot org, but you have to be tremendously popular to get past the dot com in the SERPS, or have another traffic source which does not rely on the search engines.

      Better to save yourself the trouble and get a related dot com sans hyphens.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
        Here are two resources that will help you find a great dot com:

        Lean Domain Search

        Impossibility

        I have owned domains with dot org and dot net extensions. Now, I have come to my senses and only register dot com domains for all the reasons given (and a few more).

        You don't have to "settle." There are lots of great dot com domains available to register in every niche. You just have to think a little creatively and you can find a great, fairly short, and brandable domain name.

        Domains are important, just like business names are important, logos are important, and web site layouts are important. Put a little effort into it and get it right. It will pay dividends now, but just as importantly, it will pay great dividends when you decide to sell your business later.

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  • Profile picture of the author spideyknight
    Thanks guys for the advice, I wish I was quicker in getting the name . Oh well.
    Steve B thanks for the sites, I am looking through it right now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      Originally Posted by spideyknight View Post

      Thanks guys for the advice, I wish I was quicker in getting the name . Oh well.
      Steve B thanks for the sites, I am looking through it right now.
      There are always options available, and I have found sometimes that when i couldn't get my first choice, that the next one was even better, and I had not even thought of it.

      Before you pick one, I have found it to be a good thing to look at it in all lower case letters, because that is how it is going to displayed in the url bar in your browser.

      That can keep you from getting caught up in things like the domain where people trade around used kids clothing. KidsExchange.com which when you make all letters lower case becomes something entirely different.

      You can also eliminate issues like having double or triple letters in places where they would cause an issue. That is good to mitigate because people have a tendency to not put all the letters in when they are typing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Simpilot938
    The other query you had about the other guy setting up his site in a way that might attract your traffic should also be a non-worry. If he copies you word for word then you have him on copyright since your stuff will be dated before his, and if he just copies ideas, well that's life. Ideas can't be copyrighted. If they could then 80% of what you find on Warrior would be in breach, as much of what we do here is recycle, renew, re-use ideas with different words.

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    Steven Lucas
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    • Profile picture of the author spideyknight
      Originally Posted by Simpilot938 View Post

      The other query you had about the other guy setting up his site in a way that might attract your traffic should also be a non-worry. If he copies you word for word then you have him on copyright since your stuff will be dated before his, and if he just copies ideas, well that's life. Ideas can't be copyrighted. If they could then 80% of what you find on Warrior would be in breach, as much of what we do here is recycle, renew, re-use ideas with different words.

      Regards,

      Steven Lucas
      He doesn't have a site up. He is not using his domain name currently. I mean I have seen sites like zenhabits.net and themindunleashed.org do well. I already have the .net for my site, but I prefer .org over the .net, looks more professional with what I want to do.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by spideyknight View Post

        He doesn't have a site up. He is not using his domain name currently. I mean I have seen sites like zenhabits.net and themindunleashed.org do well. I already have the .net for my site, but I prefer .org over the .net, looks more professional with what I want to do.
        .org does not look more profssional than .net. That's in your mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author online only
    I think that the average internet user doesn't care if it's .com, .org or .net.

    I once bought a .org domain name and built a decent site out of it. The .com was taken at that time. However, the site really took off and months later I actually bought the .com version from the buyer - I think I paid approx. $5k for it.

    Then I just redirected .org to .com.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gaura Klausner
    I have to agree with Alexa, you are going to lose a LOT of traffic to the .com - Always go with a name where you can more then one TLD so that you are not giving the other TLD free traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gaura Klausner
    .com always looks more professional
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    • Profile picture of the author spideyknight
      Originally Posted by gauramohana View Post

      .com always looks more professional
      Yeah I know. I am back to the drawing board, it's hard to think of good names.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gaura Klausner
        Originally Posted by spideyknight View Post

        Yeah I know. I am back to the drawing board, it's hard to think of good names.
        There is this one website where you can pay people to think of a really good name for you. PM me if you want me to find it
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    You couldn't put a hyphen anywhere in the domain name, or added a word or 2? The domain name probably only cost you around $5. Get rid of it and get another domain name that satisfies you, and still has the ".com" extension at the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author hassan731
    If you're after a branded domain name in the internet marketing niche, your best bet is a .com but these days I've been seeing a lot of people using some newish domains like .co or .me ....etc. Don't get hang up on .com what you offer in the website should help it stand out!

    Just my 2 cents!
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  • Profile picture of the author spideyknight
    Found a new domain name after a bunch of searches (yes a .com, no hyphens, common words, doesn't sound lame) and pretty happy about it. It's pretty annoying that 1000s of people bought domain names without using it. Good money I am sure, but its annoying for a guy like me. Oh well, found a name happily.

    I hope I can come on here and brag about making $1000/day a year from now. (not serious...secretly hoping maybe?).

    Thanks for your help guys!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexandre Valois
    From my own experience, most information about the importance of dot coms is perpetuated myth. I often get into arguments with my clients over this and it's a never-ending debate.

    If I can have the dot com... I'll take it for sure. But the only reason for it is the resale value and market liquidity, it's easier to move a dot com... mostly because everyone still believes all the other myths, creating inflated perception of value.

    It has been proven numerous times that the domain extension has nothing to do with SEO. Keyword domains will rank more easily, no matter what extension they use.

    As for losing traffic... most people will remember your site was something like fancywidgetforyou..... the extension doesn't matter. Browsers are smart now and there is a thing called history... the computer does all the work of remembering the sites you looked at previously. That doesn't necessarily apply to people using different computers but then again that is a small percentage of....

    An already small percentage. Direct traffic is almost nothing compared to organic traffic. Search engines, direct links, social media, videos.... there are going to be your traffic sources. Most people who see your website won't ever have to type it in their address bar.

    Which brings me to my last point... it doesn't matter how many words are in your domain name. Yes, the shorter the better for some technical reasons, but the user probably will never have to remember or type it in, or very seldomly so. So if you need to add an extra word or two to make it work for you (because all "premium" options are taken)... just do it.

    Now I realize there will always be exception to this, for example a business heavily marketed offline and / or in print medias where space and number of characters are limited, and you need something catchy so people can find you again later... but if most of your marketing is build online... chances are you're over-thinking it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jacob Caris
    If you are set on the name, stick with the .org. If you are worried it will not look professional, consider a name change and snap up the .com. Don't let it hold you up though, keep pressing forward.
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