Make Over $70K With a Foul Mouth, a Stamp, Envelope and Glitter

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

So these guys have a really foul mouth and came up with a crazy idea for a website. It got some attention from the media, made huge amounts of sales, and is now for sale on Flippa with over $70K worth of bids and 2 days to go.

https://flippa.com/3783970-20-000-in...lar-viral-site

Not bad ... huh?

Nice share, thanks for it!

Amazing results and a flying start, but wondering why they are selling it?

If your website makes 20k per 4 days, wouldn't it be better to at least wait a month more and then sell it? Yeah, it is a trend based business and after some time the results will go down, but just 4 days...

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by AlexanderBeloev

If your website makes 20k per 4 days, wouldn't it be better to at least wait a month more and then sell it? Yeah, it is a trend based business and after some time the results will go down, but just 4 days...

Simple - because dumb and juvenile doesn't make for a long term business model.

Unfortunately due to a bored public it often makes for things going viral though. Then it becomes yesterdays news as fast as tomorrow comes. I give them more credit for selling than the idea itself. At least they know it has no viability to hold on to

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by AlexanderBeloev

Nice share, thanks for it!

Amazing results and a flying start, but wondering why they are selling it?

If your website makes 20k per 4 days, wouldn't it be better to at least wait a month more and then sell it? Yeah, it is a trend based business and after some time the results will go down, but just 4 days...

He's a young guy that probably doesn't want to spend his life mailing off envelopes of glitter. lol.

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Virtualghost

9 years ago

Saw this on a news network crazy but hey it worked you got to give them credit for thinking outside the box.Funny stuff read the feedback from some customers.One way to pay for you college fees.

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by Virtualghost

Saw this on a news network crazy but hey it worked you got to give them credit for thinking outside the box.Funny stuff read the feedback from some customers.One way to pay for you college fees.

Absolutely .. I do give them credit. A lot of credit. Great viral idea.

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AlexanderBeloev 9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

... Great viral idea.

And great example of how powerful a viral idea can be... unbelievable... 4 days only.

I think that Imagination is our only limitation. Who has ever thought that a scenario like this can happen for such a website in that time frame....
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Ghoster

9 years ago

Always nice to see a creative idea take off.

If the new owner wants to ship the envelopes themselves, then the monthly time requirement will be a bit more and will be based on the speed of putting glitter into envelopes, sending at the post office etc.

Just a bit, huh

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Ghoster

Very interesting.

Just wondering..what do you think it says about their confidence in the business idea that they are selling so soon, and for only $70k?

Or do you think this is the optimal move right now?

Edit: I see this has already been answered

It was answered in a negative fashion. He's proven the site has the ability to make a lot of money. He got so many orders that he shut the order button down. Can you imagine how many letters he needs to send out to fulfill $20K worth of orders. He had people contacting him begging to let them order.

He already got a ton of press. This is an optimal time to cash out big and do it all over again or pay for college or whatever he wants to do.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

It was answered in a negative fashion. He's proven the site has the ability to make a lot of money. He got so many orders that he shut the order button down.

It was answered in a real world fashion. the idea has no sustainability and is profitable because its at the moment viral which cannot be sustained. So no ...it hasn't proven it can make money for the new owners

A) the novelty will wear off
B) the "service" can be achieved for less than a dollar by the customers who could easily do it on their own
C) if the model was even sustainable it would be subject to drastic price cutting since anyone can do the same thing for even a tenth of the price.

Its like any other viral sensation. You can make good money off it for awhile but it cannot be sustained (although quite a few ca be leveraged to give consistent traffic. They get my props for selling it to people who don't understand how poor a business model it is going forward .

their "brilliance" (to the degree there is any) is that they recognize this and have found people too foolish to figure it out that will buy it for looks like over $70,000. If they thought it had viability they would not need to stuff any envelopes. they could get people to do it for them and even eventually automate it. They are selling it because its not a viable long term business. period.

Now there they get credit.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

They are selling it because its not a viable long term business. period.

Now there they get credit.

Doesn't really need to be a long term business now does it? Build a site and a week later sold for well over $70 including the profit it has already generated. Dump it. Bank the money. Who needs a business. This kid has smarts.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

This kid has smarts.

Theres a market for selling to dumb people . I don't deny that. In fact I just alluded to it. however you don't need to be smart to sell to dumb people. In fact you can do very well if your not smart because.....well...you speak their language.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Theres a market for selling to dumb people . I don't deny that. In fact I just alluded to it. however you don't need to be smart to sell to dumb people. In fact you can do very well if your not smart because.....well...you speak their language.

Well I'lll bow to your superior knowledge on not needing to be smart to sell to dumb people.

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positivegirl

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Doesn't really need to be a long term business now does it? Build a site and a week later sold for well over $70 including the profit it has already generated. Dump it. Bank the money. Who needs a business. This kid has smarts.

Yeah I agree.. if you have an idea, create the site and then sell it for 10000X.. this is your business! you don't need to scale up, it is almost done.. I Don't know them but if I were 20 years old 70K would be great for me! LOL

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JohnMcCabe 9 years ago

I guess my old college boss was right - package it right and you could sell dog crap for a profit.

Actually, he did. As part of a bet, he assembled paper bags of dog poo with a cheapo lighter and a three-line instruction sheet. He then sold these "practical joke kits" for $10 a pop (or would that be a 'poop'?) at a local flea market. After covering costs, his profit margin was ~95%.

The following weekend, the flea market had four stalls selling practical joke kits.

Which is why I think this kid is making the right move by selling out while interest is high. A few clones, some parallel ideas, and the value is gone. Grab while the getting is good.
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Ghoster

9 years ago

JohnMcCabe,

I think there is a company that does just that. They sell gorilla poo too.

heir "brilliance" (to the degree there is any) is that they recognize this and have found people too foolish to figure it out that will buy it for looks like over $70,000. If they thought it had viability they would not need to stuff any envelopes. they could get people to do it for them and even eventually automate it. They are selling it because its not a viable long term business. period.

This is what I was thinking. Why not scale it? Why sell now? I could imagine that they might have legal issues down the road too. The product sounds very annoying for the end recipient.

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sbucciarel Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Ghoster

I could imagine that they might have legal issues down the road too. The product sounds very annoying for the end recipient.

lol. Very annoying.
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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Ghoster

This is what I was thinking. Why not scale it? Why sell now? I could imagine that they might have legal issues down the road too. The product sounds very annoying for the end recipient.

Yeah to be honest its a disastrous idea (lawsuits were inevitable in our lawyer filed society) bailed out by the fact that a lot of the web is just silly and a lot of silly stuff goes viral. Theres no genius in the idea at all. People have thought of sending disgusting things in the mail before and they just toned it down to something more acceptable that they hate.

I give them credit for getting out

What I do find Faaaaar more interesting is marketers reaction to this (particularly after discussions about income claims recently). They are all agog over $20,000 in 4 days that cannot be sustained but several of us here have made 5 and ten times the amount in sustainable business models

Seems the only criteria for determining genius and success is fast money - not sustainable business models and thats one of the big problems with Internet marketers.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Here's a great write up by FastCompany. Tells you pretty much why he is bailing as fast as he can.

How The E-Commerce Gag "Ship Your Enemies Glitter" Became A Viral Hit

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Gambino

9 years ago

I think the guy shot himself in the foot a bit by 1) stop taking orders almost immediately when the site was placed on Flippa, and 2) running a 5 day listing 3) going almost 48 hours without the email capture to at least capture the potential customers information for the new owner.

Even if he would have outsourced the filling and mailing of envelopes to $2 or so each, the site would have been much more valuable at this point and he probably would have received much more than $70k thus far. Then he compounded that with the long listing while the viral marketing is losing steam because customers can't even order. The new owner could walk into a very, very cold site.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Gambino

I think the guy shot himself in the foot a bit by 1) stop taking orders almost immediately when the site was placed on Flippa, and 2) running a 5 day listing 3) going almost 48 hours without the email capture to at least capture the potential customers information for the new owner.

Even if he would have outsourced the filling and mailing of envelopes to $2 or so each, the site would have been much more valuable at this point and he probably would have received much more than $70k thus far. Then he compounded that with the long listing while the viral marketing is losing steam because customers can't even order. The new owner could walk into a very, very cold site.

Yeah, I think I would have outsourced the mailings and kept the sales open, even if it ate up some of the profits. Be interesting to see how much it sells for total, as the bidding is still ongoing and people are bidding. There are 4 pending bids right now that he hasn't approved yet.

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Ghoster

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Gambino

I think the guy shot himself in the foot a bit by 1) stop taking orders almost immediately when the site was placed on Flippa, and 2) running a 5 day listing 3) going almost 48 hours without the email capture to at least capture the potential customers information for the new owner.

Even if he would have outsourced the filling and mailing of envelopes to $2 or so each, the site would have been much more valuable at this point and he probably would have received much more than $70k thus far. Then he compounded that with the long listing while the viral marketing is losing steam because customers can't even order. The new owner could walk into a very, very cold site.

He's very young and probably doesn't care. $70k is a nice payday.

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Ghoster

He's very young and probably doesn't care. $70k is a nice payday.

Yep. No genius business idea just a prank that went viral. Good payday for that.
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Ghoster

9 years ago

Nice read. Look at all the copycats already clamoring in the comments.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Ghoster

Nice read. Look at all the copycats already clamoring in the comments.

OMG ... I just saw that. Unbelievable. It starts immediately.

RevengePenis.com | The Anonymous Micropenis Greeting Card Company lets you send anonymous greeting cards filled with penis confetti. I feel like it's even better revenge.

Look no further : Ship Your Enemies Glitter - Send a Mess of Hate glitter bombs from NYC!

We are the arch nemesis of them shipyourfriendbubblewrap.com

THIS COULD BE YOUR DAD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0yjATpkDxM ... #shipglitter Ship Glitter To Your Enemies

I like this one they still send glitter but it comes with a picture of a Unicorn pooping.. lol Home · UnicornPoop · Online Store Powered by Storenvy and they only charge 6.99, but they only ship in the U.S. so that is the one down side

New website! Send Your Enemies Sparkles!!

I just started my own glitter service sentmyenemiesglitter.com. Dont need to spend 60K for the site that is brand new.

aaaand some one just made this one, Send Your Enemies Cup Cake - Home Piggybacking on the Glitter hype, at least there is a message in it. Lets see what comes next.

I found a site thats still working and they send confetti to happy people as well. Since this one stopped I found this and it still works.
Home

Go to Send a Glitter Mail to buy some more glitter mail!!

I think this is the legit one Ship You Enemy Glitter

Nope, its a copycat. But there are several, including mine...

Hey guys, Version 3 of the website is up and running.

And Glitter Bombs are even cheaper now. Check it out at Send A Glitter Bomb
Hey guys, Version 3 of the website is up and running.
And Glitter Bombs are even cheaper now. Check it out at Send A Glitter Bomb

I just found this site GlitterBomb | Sparkle your Rival's Day. It's half of the price and is taking orders.. Great!

There's dozens of copycats now.

There's one funny one though, specifically for Valentine's Day - Glitter Your Loved One

AnonymousGlitterBomb.com is an alternative. No hate speech allowed, which is better glitter karma

A great idea! Here is another site that sends people either Glitter or Nickleback CD's...
http://www.shipyourfriendsandenemies.com

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Ghoster

Nice read. Look at all the copycats already clamoring in the comments.

Inevitable. Probably gigs on fiverr for it and other related revenge mail stuff. Glad to see that even he realizes the "product' was dumb (also not something he came up with but a result of having received mail himself with glitter in it))
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agmccall

9 years ago

As with anything "Viral" the bloom is off the rose mighty quick. Paying 70k for that site might not be a wise idea.

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salegurus

9 years ago

That "business model" is never going to last... As soon as the hype and free media coverage dies down so will the orders..
Smartest thing he did was selling the site now, lock stock and barrel....

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by salegurus

That "business model" is never going to last... As soon as the hype and free media coverage dies down so will the orders..
Smartest thing he did was selling the site now, lock stock and barrel....

Absolutely. He never intended for it to be a business model. Said he started it as a sort of prank and all he did was list it on one site and Tweet it to promote it ... from there it went nuts and was really more than he ever thought it would be.

I'll be watching to see what happens after the sale goes through. Very interesting to me.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Absolutely. He never intended for it to be a business model. Said he started it as a sort of prank and all he did was list it on one site and Tweet it to promote it ... from there it went nuts and was really more than he ever thought it would be.

I'll be watching to see what happens after the sale goes through. Very interesting to me.

It is interesting and thanks for posting the story, Suzanne. I am always amazed at how fast something can go viral these days.

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sbucciarel Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

It is interesting and thanks for posting the story, Suzanne. I am always amazed at how fast something can go viral these days.

Yeah ... but this is the fastest I've ever seen one go viral. Literally just a couple of hours. He only tweeted it and dropped the link on one "startup" site and that was all it took for it to get around to important publications and the media.

Look at this guy. Had to post this. He looks befuddled and amazed in this pic. Perfect pic for the auction. lol.
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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Here's an interesting article on the legality. This woman sent cow poop to her neighbors who were complaining about her dog barking.

Police said poopsenders.com, which offers deliveries of cow, elephant and gorilla poop through the United States Postal Service, did not break the law by filling Capdevila's order. The website says customers "may not use our service to threaten, constitute harassment, violate a legal restraint, or any other unlawful purpose. The customer agrees this is a gag gift, novelty service for entertainment only, and that is their only intention."

But she, the sender was cited for 3rd degree harassment.

Capdevila was cited for third-degree harassment and is due in court Jan. 6.

The suspect told Burlington newspaper The Hawk Eye she did not intend for her neighbors to be offended by the package.

"In no way, shape or form did I intend this to be anything more than a practical joke," she said. "I was given a website that I thought was anonymous. I thought it would be a funny thing to do to send it to my neighbors.

"After all the problems we've had, I thought it would be a funny thing to do. I am sorry if they took offense to it. If they took offense, I apologize. I never intended to harass them. I look forward to having my day in court."

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travlinguy

9 years ago

This might not be sustainable for the long term but this guy could certainly get a lot more mileage out of it than he thinks. He's bailing out way too soon. He's already got a ton of media buzz going. What he should do is hire a PR company to keep it going. He'd be a slam dunk for every goofy morning radio show out there. And with a Skype phone connection he could do shows in most English speaking markets in the world. It could last six months or more. He might be able to get $250,000 for the site if he could drag it out for several months.

From reading his Flippa listing it looks like he's a little scared. The listing is loaded with panic. All he has to do is outsource the mailings. Oh well, he'll get what he gets and figure it all out later. Woulda, shoulda, hadda, oughta, etcetera...

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by travlinguy

This might not be sustainable for the long term but this guy could certainly get a lot more mileage out of it than he thinks. He's bailing out way too soon. He's already got a ton of media buzz going. What he should do is hire a PR company to keep it going. He'd be a slam dunk for every goofy morning radio show out there. And with a Skype phone connection he could do shows in most English speaking markets in the world. It could last six months or more. He might be able to get $250,000 for the site if he could drag it out for several months.

From reading his Flippa listing it looks like he's a little scared. The listing is loaded with panic. All he has to do is outsource the mailings. Oh well, he'll get what he gets and figure it all out later. Woulda, shoulda, hadda, oughta, etcetera...

Yeah ... he was overwhelmed with the response. He could have gotten a lot more mileage out of it. If you type in glitter bomb in Google, he dominates at least page one. I didn't look farther, but if he would have let the income ride a bit, no telling what the site would sell for. I think he'll be happy with what he gets though. It's a big payday for someone who launched it as a prank.

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Raydal

9 years ago

No one will ever pitch these ideas because they are so crazy in the first
place. If he had come here and said this was his idea of running a
business the Warriors would have told him how crazy he was. You
never know until you try. Somebody is going to MODEL that idea
and send something else instead of glitter.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Raydal

No one will ever pitch these ideas because they are so crazy in the first
place. If he had come here and said this was his idea of running a
business the Warriors would have told him how crazy he was. You
never know until you try. Somebody is going to MODEL that idea
and send something else instead of glitter.

-Ray Edwards

The thing I find fascinating is that people here just wring their hands and wrack their brains trying to think up a profitable idea and this guy just pulls this off with a prank idea.

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TeKn1qu3z

9 years ago

Damn it. This is ******* gold. I wish I did something like this.

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Jason Freeman

9 years ago

This is great. I remember reading about this in the news. That is some serious bidding for that website.

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writeaway

9 years ago

The power of hype and media buzz. Nothing new but it's nice to see how a well-executed media plan plays out.

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bobsstuff

9 years ago

Media is everything. Every time a website gets news coverage the site goes down (overloaded) from so many visitors. Get into the news and you too may have this success if your idea is even half bright.

This reminds me of two things. The "Pet Rock" Publicity and good packaging sold a rock to thousands of people.

The other is actually about glitter. My 9 year old granddaughter wore a glitter decorated dress to our house for the holidays a year ago. It took months to get rid of all the glitter. We still see a sparkle occasionally

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sbucciarel

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He put an email capture form on his site for people to sign up to be notified when payments are enabled again so they can order. There are 5,200 people on the list so far, waiting to make an order.

I don't know how far he's in, but the next owner could be a WF member.

Brad Gosse ( 100% | $289K )
Sat, 17 Jan 2015 04:03:21 AEDT

Brilliant to see you flipping this. I'm in

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Brad Gosse

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

He put an email capture form on his site for people to sign up to be notified when payments are enabled again so they can order. There are 5,200 people on the list so far, waiting to make an order.

I don't know how far he's in, but the next owner could be a WF member.

I wish I could say I was in that deep LOL

I put in a $500 bid when it was at $0. Got a notification on my phone I was the top bidder and by the time I hit the site it was over $20k.

I would have gone higher but not $70k that's insane. Although the right owner can take that to the moon.

This is going to be the story I tell people when they complain that there are no good ideas left LOL.

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domainingin 9 years ago

This is going to be the story I tell people when they complain that there are no good ideas left LOL.

Exactly, the quote of the day...just take action and cash in...
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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Brad Gosse

I wish I could say I was in that deep LOL

I put in a $500 bid when it was at $0. Got a notification on my phone I was the top bidder and by the time I hit the site it was over $20k.

I would have gone higher but not $70k that's insane. Although the right owner can take that to the moon.

This is going to be the story I tell people when they complain that there are no good ideas left LOL.

Exactly. I was thinking that instead of organizing a big think tank to brainstorm, maybe you should just buy a case of beer and invite friends over and start generating crazy ideas. lol.

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discrat

9 years ago

Gosh, people will do anything for a buck !

What I find extraordinarily sad is all these customers.

I know a lot of people have pissed me off in Life and I have run into a lot of jerks, but I cannot imagine for the Life of me sending something like this to anyone.

How is that adding to Society ??

We are ALL not perfect but I will skip trying to pursue a Product like this.

The World needs more things that offer some real intrinsic Value rather then something just pisses others off

Although I will concede that using some creativeness in general can sometimes turn up nice surprises

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Gosh, people will do anything for a buck !

What I find extraordinarily sad is all these customers.

I know a lot of people have pissed me off in Life and I have run into a lot of jerks, but I cannot imagine for the Life of me sending something like this to anyone.

How is that adding to Society ??

We are ALL not perfect but I will skip trying to pursue a Product like this.

The World needs more things that offer some real intrinsic Value rather then something just pisses others off

- Robert Andrew

I would buy it. lol.

Glitter bombing has a long history. Nothing new there. People glitter bomb celebrities when they are walking the red carpet, the Gay community is crazy for glitter bombs and this isn't the only site that sells glitter, not counting the imbeciles who just registered glitter sites as copycats. There's also "poop" sites. Ugh ... Now, that I wouldn't send.

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NRabosa 9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I would buy it. lol.

Glitter bombing has a long history... There's also "poop" sites. Ugh ... Now, that I wouldn't send.

Remember: Glitter is technically unicorn poop. And as far as selling something on the internet is concerned, a lot of people would do anything for five dollars.
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I would buy it. lol.

Glitter bombing has a long history. Nothing new there. People glitter bomb celebrities when they are walking the red carpet, the Gay community is crazy for glitter bombs and this isn't the only site that sells glitter, not counting the imbeciles who just registered glitter sites as copycats. There's also "poop" sites. Ugh ... Now, that I wouldn't send.

Okay Suzy,
Will look forward to seeing that receipt here online the moment you purchase it

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Originally Posted by discrat

Okay Suzy,
Will look forward to seeing that receipt here online the moment you purchase it

I just read an article about one site that sells glitter spring loaded in a tube and you can't see the glitter before opening it. One kid's father constantly opened all his mail and the kid was sick of it so he ordered a tube of spring loaded glitter and had it mailed to himself.

Sure enough, true to form, Dad opened it.

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Viral Video: Kid Pranks Dad With Glitter Bomb In 'spring-loaded glitter tube vs dad' - International Business Times

Could be a totally fake story made up by the people who sell the glitter bomb tube, but still funny.
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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

We are ALL not perfect but I will skip trying to pursue a Product like this.

The World needs more things that offer some real intrinsic Value rather then something just pisses others off

Too true.

I'm still getting a chuckle out of marketers who think theres something to learn here or are amazed. Who didn't know that things like this go viral? lol . The problem is you can't bank on something going viral and you can't bank on it lasting

So good for the kid. He lucked out and can make a payday but the more you hear of the details the more you realize it was 19 parts luck and one part idea (and even less because it wasn't an original one)

So yeah ..your are right. You are waaaay better off pursuing something with intrinsic value and you make faaaaar more money doing so. You may not have the short sighted IM crowd's mouth dropping ....well unless you want to show them your bank account

....but your income won't come and be gone in a flash

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iMassMarket

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Exactly. I was thinking that instead of organizing a big think tank to brainstorm, maybe you should just buy a case of beer and invite friends over and start generating crazy ideas. lol.

Dang it... You had to go and blow my next wso why don't you lol. I agree the kid is a tad overwhelmed by all the attention. Seems bidding has slowed a bit as well.

Did you see the copy that sold for a little under $300? https://flippa.com/3792596-ship-your...premium-domain

Looks like they stole everything off his site from pics to copy. (Seems the new owner removed one of the offending pics) This happens too often on Flippa.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by iMassMarket

Dang it... You had to go and blow my next wso why don't you lol. I agree the kid is a tad overwhelmed by all the attention. Seems bidding has slowed a bit as well.

Did you see the copy that sold for a little under $300? https://flippa.com/3792596-ship-your...premium-domain

Looks like they stole everything off his site from pics to copy. (Seems the new owner removed one of the offending pics) This happens too often on Flippa.

Yeah ... those copycats are rampant any time a site really sells well on Flippa. But do you remember when Fiverr was new? Literally, hundreds of copycats trying to steal their limelight. None of them are ever talked about. I doubt many still exist. But ripping off everything like that is just asking for legal trouble for copyright infringement. I'm surprised Flippa even allowed it to be listed. Copyright violations are against their TOS and Flippa is well aware of this Glitter site. They've been promoting it via email for a week.

Looks like he is really vetting the buyers before approving the bids. He had 4 bids pending and now only two, so he's not approving every bid.

Hey @Mike. They're talking about crazy ways to make money over here
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post9824441

Why aren't you doing your duty to protect and defend newbies from crazy money making schemes over there? What a slacker. Where are you when the WF really needs you? lol.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Hey @Mike. They're talking about crazy ways to make money over here
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post9824441

Why aren't you doing your duty to protect and defend newbies from crazy money making schemes over there?.

Love the first example!! Why would I defend newbies from it? because you and thomas are trying desperately to twist to claim that I have a problem with things going viral and my and matthew's point s keep flying over your head?

Doing essentially previews of toys is good stuff. very duplicable. Great for kids, the parents who buy them and even a bit soothing for those that don't. Even though you cannot control what goes viral you could have good traffic with that. The person makes that traffic by a very repeatable model and has multiple videos

Apples and oranges but I know....the differences will just fly over you and thomas logic again. So whats the point? yeah doing reviews of toy products over and over again is just like sending glitter to people you hate and getting your traffic from one viral event that will NEVER go viral again with all the copy cats. We know you can't see the difference but hey some people actually do have that capability.

Sure many companies have things that go viral but there things that sustain them and their entire success is not based on one shot wonder viral events. Shucks some viral events are even reproducible (music artists and music videos one easy on e).. this one? nah...Kid gets props for understanding what you guys can't.

As for the swan song of creativity and bashing it ...heres a thought -maybe some of us just have so many good ones we are not as impressed with those that have none and have to wait to see what goes viral sold on hate for inspiration. Previous ideas have netted me far more that what this will net for the originator of this viral event. Thats past tense. For the future My partners and I have online apps, services, mobile apps and desktop applications working on - no shortage of ideas or creativity despite your pal Thomas begging otherwise.. Mind you We are not interested in fast money like you finally admitted (though people denied it it was obvious) was the real draw to you but with long term and bigger pay days
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But by all means study this self admitted gag , get the brewskies and put on 'somewhere over the ranbow" and you too might have an idea based on annoying people and hate to get you some viral success.

Keep hoping you can plan to have accidental (you actually used that word repeatedly which makes i t even more amusing) success.....lol......WF is soo hilarious sometimes.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Love the first example!! Why would I defend newbies from it?

Yeah ... I figured you'd be a natural for that thread, so what's holding you back? I mean, I think everyone should do youtube videos of unwrapping toys. lol. It does sound like skills that are definitely within your reach. I look forward to your first toy unwrapping videos.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Yeah ... I figured you'd be a natural for that thread, so what's holding you back? I mean, I think everyone should do youtube videos of unwrapping toys. lol. It does sound like skills that are definitely within your reach.

I'd think you'd be all over it studying it for accidental factors with some brewskis since doing copy cat glitter sites might be just outside of yours. Don;t even think it -I wouldn't hustle in on your territory - You know I aint got nothing but love for ya.

You could do it with a big cigar like in your avatar ..get that Biker gal does toy reviews kinda vibe. Parents woud hate the cigar but could be a hit with preteens. go get em

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sbucciarel Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I'd think you'd be all over it studying it for accidental factors with some brewskis since doing copy cat glitter sites might be just outside of yours.

I repeat ... I don't drink and I'm sick of you implying that I do because I made a joke. As for accidental factors, none of these are within your very limited reach ... Teflon, Popsickles, SuperGlue, PlayDoh, Post-It Notes, Microwave Ovens, Velcro, the Slinky, Penicillin, The Pacemaker, Fireworks, Corn Flakes ... but I'd take any one of those "accidental non-business models."

But fact is, I've worked for myself for 15 years and am happy with both my income and work. But thanks for the advice.
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  As for accidental factors, none of these are within your very limited reach.
  
  You got me. I cannot in good conscience say likewise - I fully accept that accidental factors are fully within your limited reach
  
  have a good day Suzanne. Keep the blood pressure down.
  
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NRabosa

9 years ago

Probably couldn't keep up with the demand... It's hard to milk those unicorns you know.

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Banned 9 years ago

I'm still getting a chuckle out of marketers who think theres something to learn here or are amazed.

Yeah .... like that dumb Brad Gosse. lol.

Brad Gosse is a best selling author, internet entrepreneur, and business advisor. His internet companies have generated over 100 million dollars in transactions

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Yeah .... like that dumb Brad Gosse. lol.

Okay I admit - I am even more amused now

From what I just saw Brad put in a bid of $500 and stopped. Even called the present price tag ridiculous so seems he is not quite agog but even if he were it wouldn't matter to me. My moon and sun do not set on anyone on Earth. My thought processes are not personality/guru driven (another Im problem). I guess I break the Imer mold again. Brad could make a billion I would still be amused if he didn't know things went viral before this. Sorry logic matters.

But anyway..best wishes to you. loading up with beers - sounds like a brilliant plan for success. One wonders why no one has tried it before or will it be a special combination of brands??.

P.S. I love your source for that quote. Very objective....lol

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

From what I just saw Brad put in a bid of $500 and stopped. Even called the present price tag ridiculous so seems he is not quite agog but even if he were it wouldn't matter to me. My moon and sun do not set on anyone on Earth. My thought processes are not personality driven. I guess I break the Imer mold again.

Well, my moon and sun doesn't set on anyone on Earth and I haven't noted you to breaking any molds in the IM space or any space for that matter. Has anything you've ever done gotten press or gone viral or do you just trudge along trying to sell your SEO to people. Does anyone really talk about you ... in a nice way, I mean?

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Well, my moon and sun doesn't set on anyone on Earth and I haven't noted you to breaking any molds in the IM space or any space for that matter.

and your not noting makes it fact how? Oh wait ...just another poster who thinks that the only thing people do is whats in their sig. The amusement apparently never ends.

Meanwhile does anyone's success change that things have gone viral before? or that you cannot determine what will go viral? Nah.......Smoke screen to avoid logical conclusions or the lack therof.

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sbucciarel Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

The amusement apparently never ends.

That's a fact.
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JohnMcCabe

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

But anyway..best wishes to you. loading up with beers - sounds like a brilliant plan for success. One wonders why no one has tried it before or will it be a special combination of brands??.

A thoughtful application of ethanol has been proven to reduce individual inhibitions, and it's a well-known social lubricant.

Getting a group of people together to brainstorm, properly lubricated, just might result in ideas which would never come to light if said inhibitions remained in place.

Obviously, that doesn't mean that the ideas produced are the answer in their raw state, just like the results of stone cold sober brainstorming. But a lowering of inhibitions could significantly increase the number and scope of the ideas produced.

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Lets cut to the chase. Heres what happened here

Guy has received cards in the mail with glitter
guy finds it annoying
guy decides as a prank to start service sending glitter in the mail (doesn't expect it will be lucrative)
Guy gets picked up unpredictably by a popular web site
Gimmick takes off virally and he makes $20,000 and is set to sell it for $70,000 to fools (who already can see the "product niche' is getting crowded)

Whats newly actionable for any marketer? The steps are not duplicable because a good deal of what goes viral is not predictable. the parts that are predictable have been known for years.

If people are going to be amazed by this then they should be amazed at everything that goes viral. Meanwhile this idea is probably going to tank out at $100-$150,000 and many people here make that and more PER YEAR.

So go agog , run down some viral sensation hoping your luck will come in after you guzzle a few beers or go build a business like Discrat and Mathew just said not based on gimmicks or going viral but with intrinsic value.

Its a duh moment to any sensible marketer.
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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Obviously, that doesn't mean that the ideas produced are the answer in their raw state, just like the results of stone cold sober brainstorming. But a lowering of inhibitions could significantly increase the number and scope of the ideas produced.

Hey I'll await the WSO you and Suzanne release after you come up with your break out product/service from kicking back the brewsskies. Until then I'll pass on that business plan since brainstorming and liquor are hardly an innovation in brainstorming sessions.

Perhaps they have been more successful than history indicates because the participants came up with the killer idea but couldn't remember it in the morning...... lol

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

A thoughtful application of ethanol has been proven to reduce individual inhibitions, and it's a well-known social lubricant.

Getting a group of people together to brainstorm, properly lubricated, just might result in ideas which would never come to light if said inhibitions remained in place.

Obviously, that doesn't mean that the ideas produced are the answer in their raw state, just like the results of stone cold sober brainstorming. But a lowering of inhibitions could significantly increase the number and scope of the ideas produced.

Here's 10 ideas that were scribbled on cocktail napkins in a bar that turned out to be a bit more than just profitable.

10 Things Created Over a Couple of Beers | Mental Floss

And lifehacker wrote this

Drink Beer for Big Ideas, Coffee to Get Them Done
Drink Beer for Big Ideas, Coffee to Get Them Done

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Matthew Trujillo

9 years ago

It's a good idea for a short term thinker. Once that idea is gone, it's gone for good!

I like my businesses set up for the long term, gimmicks come and go like the wind.

Lots of gimmicky rappers made a lot of money too but after they got their 15 Minutes POOF nobody cares!

If you can make a lot of money being a gimmick than I guess why not sell your soul huh? Not me though.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo

It's a good idea for a short term thinker. Once that idea is gone, it's gone for good!

I like my businesses set up for the long term, gimmicks come and go like the wind.

Lots of gimmicky rappers made a lot of money too but after they got their 15 Minutes POOF nobody cares!

If you can make a lot of money being a gimmick than I guess why not sell your soul huh? Not me though.

The gag gift industry is not suffering from short term success. It is a profitable business model and that's what this site is. People have been making moola from ridiculous ideas for a long time and will continue.

Ridiculous Idea #1: Yellow Smiley
Ridiculously Rich People Behind It: Bernard and Murray Spain
Estimated Profit: $500MM

Ridiculous Idea #2: iFart App
Ridiculously Rich Person Behind It: Joel Comm
Estimated Profit: $400K

Ridiculous Idea #3: Wacky Wall Walker
Ridiculously Rich Person Behind It: Ken Hakuta
Estimated Profit: $80MM

Ridiculous Idea #4: Icanhascheezburger.com
Ridiculously Wealthy People Behind It: Eric Nakagawa (aka Cheezburger) and Kari Unebasami (aka Tofu burger)
Estimated Profit: $2MM

Ridiculous Idea #5: Slinky
Ridiculously Rich Person Behind It: Richard James
Estimated Profit: $250MM

Ridiculous Idea #6: Snuggie
Ridiculously Rich Person Behind It: Scott Boilen, President of Allstar Products
Estimated Profit: $200MM

Ridiculous Idea #7: Million Dollar Home Page
Ridiculously Rich Person Behind The Idea: Alex Tew
Estimated Profit: $1MM

Ridiculous Idea #8: Beanie Babies
Ridiculously Rich Person Behind It: H Ty Warner
Estimated Profit: $3-6 Billion

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

The gag gift industry is not suffering from short term success. It is a profitable business model and that's what this site is. People have been making moola from ridiculous ideas for a long time and will continue.

Ridiculous Idea #1: Yellow Smiley
Ridiculously Rich People Behind It: Bernard and Murray Spain
Estimated Profit: $500MM

Ridiculous Idea #2: iFart App
Ridiculously Rich Person Behind It: Joel Comm
Estimated Profit: $400K

Ridiculous Idea #3: Wacky Wall Walker
Ridiculously Rich Person Behind It: Ken Hakuta
Estimated Profit: $80MM

Ridiculous Idea #4: Icanhascheezburger.com
Ridiculously Wealthy People Behind It: Eric Nakagawa (aka Cheezburger) and Kari Unebasami (aka Tofu burger)
Estimated Profit: $2MM

Ridiculous Idea #5: Slinky
Ridiculously Rich Person Behind It: Richard James
Estimated Profit: $250MM

Ridiculous Idea #6: Snuggie
Ridiculously Rich Person Behind It: Scott Boilen, President of Allstar Products
Estimated Profit: $200MM

Ridiculous Idea #7: Million Dollar Home Page
Ridiculously Rich Person Behind The Idea: Alex Tew
Estimated Profit: $1MM

Ridiculous Idea #8: Beanie Babies
Ridiculously Rich Person Behind It: H Ty Warner
Estimated Profit: $3-6 Billion

I can list 8 people who won the lottery , that doesn't mean I'm going to start buying lottery tickets.

if it works than stick with it , when you make it big you can show everybody how you did it by releasing a WSO.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo

I can list 8 people who won the lottery , that doesn't mean I'm going to start buying lottery tickets.

But hey, if it works for you than stick with it , when you make it big you can look into releasing a WSO.

Dude you had the money quote for the entire thread before you edited it. The part where if a business cant be repeated thing was golden. I'll leave them to chase the dream from the business plan that wasn't.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Dude you had the money quote for the entire thread before you edited it. The part where if a business cant be repeated thing was golden. I'll leave them to chase the dream from the business plan that wasn't.

Here you go ...

If a business cannot be duplicated than it's not a REAL business!

haha! I think we got the point, whatever works for them though.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo

Here you go ...

If a business cannot be duplicated than it's not a REAL business!

haha! I think we got the point, whatever works for them though.

I take it Microsoft isn't a real business then. They certainly couldn't replicate their success if they had tried to duplicate what they did in this day and age.

MySpace wasn't a real business either...

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

I take it Microsoft isn't a real business then. They certainly couldn't replicate their success if they had tried to duplicate what they did in this day and age.

MySpace wasn't a real business either...

Can computers be replicated ? Yes

Can social media sites be replicated? Yes

Is buying lottery tickets a replicable business model? No

- If you truly believe in this business model then what's stopping you from making a fortune from it?

- If you truly believe in this business model, than why haven't you shown anybody how to do it yet?

I'll be waiting for your fool proof guide when you release it.

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Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo

Can computers be replicated ? Yes

Can social media sites be replicated? Yes

Is buying lottery tickets a replicable business model? No (if done legally)

Ok, a mailing glitter site can be replicated and thus is a business. This line of thinking is silly.

Microsoft didn't make computers back in the day. They made an operating system. That is what built Microsoft. These days they had to reinvent themselves because that operating system is getting crushed by Android and IOS.

According to your logic if the success isn't duplicateable it isn't real. Microsoft would have probably failed if they had released Windows today for the first time. Microsoft was "lucky" for releasing this before Android and IOS.

- If you truly believe in this business model that's what's stopping you from making a fortune?

- If you truly believe in this business model, than why not show everybody how it's done?

I build software. I am not in the mailing glitter business. What you are trying to do is considered a straw man argument.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

Ok, a mailing glitter site can be replicated and thus is a business. This line of thinking is silly.

Nope. You are not getting it. You usually try and apply yourself to another viewpoint. Its not silly thinking at all..He's talking about how this business was "built" based on going viral. Its not reproducible. You can't follow step by step to follow in the footsteps.

How you thinks thats silly is beyond me because its just frankly....obvious.

P.S. MS is still in the software business. its embedded in phone, xbox, tablets and it still runs on business machines all over the world plus laptops and PCs not to mention is Office products and that a sizable amount of modern software is built within its visual studio products. Since Mac is still proprietary and android or even linux has not made much of a dent outside of server and mobile it would still be built today into a profitable business.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Nope. You are not getting it. You usually try and apply yourself to another viewpoint. Its not silly thinking at all..He's talking about how this business was "built" based on going viral. Its not reproducible. You can't follow step by step to follow in the footsteps.

How you thinks thats silly is beyond me because its just frankly....obvious.

No, I get it and it's a lazy way of thinking.

My point about Microsoft shows why it is lazy.

The only reason Microsoft is still alive is because they built up a large amount of money. They tried may different things and many of those things failed. They are a different company now and finally found things that are working in this day and age.

Microsoft was first out with a product. They were "lucky" in that sense. Now they are getting killed on the operating system market. They wouldn't have been able to reproduce their success if they hadn't been first. According to you and master business builder Mathew, they wouldn't have been a real business.

Would Amazon be the same if they had tried to duplicate their success today? Doubtful.

This obviously wasn't a real business because he didn't put in the time to develop it. Make no mistake, just because he got some viral love doesn't mean he couldn't have built up a business if he had wanted.

Edited to add:

Mike, I agree that methods for quick cash isn't a good thing for long term longevity. I think you are missing the point that this could have been worked on to build a long term business if he had continued with this project. The viral stuff and sales just proved his idea worked.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

No, I get it and it's a lazy way of thinking.

My point about Microsoft points to why it is lazy.

Actually your point on MS was AWFUL. really bad. I was just being kind leaving it out but if you want I can deconstruct it for you. MS still is a software company despite your claims. Its embedded in Xbox, phones and tablets. Its Installed all over the world on business machines, laptops and PCs. Its business model would still work today because Windows still runs a HUGE part of corporate and business software not even including its office products. Android and IOs haven't made much a dent in those business verticals. That they couldn't compete and have only held on because they have a warchest is total nonsense

Before you call the guy's thinking silly and lazy you should actually do some research. MS STILL takes in hundreds of Millions of dollars for software and software licensing. I don't know what you are talking about except that you don't know what you are talking about. Neither Android nor IOS dominate business use so to say that they would get creamed is just nonsense. they would concentrate on that and build out to mobile

Microsoft was first out with a product. They were "lucky" in that sense. Now they are getting killed on the operating system market.

Baloney total malarkey. MS didn't win the OS battle because they were first out to market. Where did you learn OS history? They won because Apple tied their OS to their hardware something they still do to this day in a locked in proprietary model. They could still walk right into the business, PC and laptop market today (that are not willing to shell out for Mac hardware)because its sure as beans linux has made no dent there. Yes they got to market late on tablets and mobile but to claim that all they have had is failure is spoken like a MS hater - nothing else.

Please please tell me you didn't use VS to build your application. That would just be too much.

Sheesh everyone in software should know that history of OS but you think they took the OS prize based on being first. Wow

Yes, it is silly how you are defining a real business.

the only thing really silly is you calling peoples' ideas silly while making the silliest statement about OS history i've heard in along time.

Meanwhile Go to any bank for financing and tell them your marketing business model is "well we are going to go viral and that will propel our growth'.

When they finish laughing you can explain to them how silly they are. Matthew is just pointing out the OBVIOUS . going viral particularly on products or services based on revenge or hate as your hook is not a viable repeatable business model.

Its crazy that people who claim to know business can't see something so awfully obvious..

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Tom B

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Actually your point on MS was AWFUL. really bad. I was just being kind leaving it out but if you want I can deconstruct for you. MS still is a software company despite your claims. Its embedded in Xbox, phones and tablets. Its Installed all over the world on business machines, laptops and PCs. Its business model would still work today because Windows still runs a HUGE part of corporate and business software not even including its office products. Android and IOs haven't made much a dent in those business verticals. That they couldn't compete and have only held on because they have a warchest is total nonsense

Cmon Mike, you are changing to goal posts again.

We are talking about reproducible results. Microsoft starting over couldn't reproduce the same results as it did before.

Again, according to you, the results are suppose to be duplicateable step by step and all that. That means Microsoft should be able to enter into the operating systems market, sell a completely new operating system with the same success as before.

Not going to happen and them having to change the way they do business proves it.

Xbox, most window tablets and most windows phones are built by Microsoft because everyone else is using Android or in Apples case IOS.

In fact, Microsoft was paying other manufacturers to continue building products with Windows on it. Now they are giving away Windows for free if they put it on devices. They never had to do that before.

Before you call the guy's thinking silly and lazy you should actually do some research. MS STILL takes in hundreds of Millions of dollars for software and software licensing. I don't know what you are talking about except that you don't know what you are talking about. Neither Android nor IOS dominate business use so to say that they would get creamed is just nonsense

Again, you are changing the argument.

You said a company should be able to reproduce results otherwise they are not a real company.

If Microsoft tried to duplicate what they originally did, they would be dead. I proved my points up thread.

Baloney total malarkey. MS didn't win the OS battle because they were first out to market. Where did you learn OS history? They won because Apple tied their OS to their hardware something they still do to this day in a locked in proprietary model. They could still walk right into the business, PC and laptop market today because its sure as beans linux has made no dent there. Teu got to market late on tablets and mobile but to claim that all they have had is failure is spoken like a MS hater - nothing else.

Mike, are you saying Microsoft got "lucky" because Apple tied their OS to their computers? Does that mean Microsoft isn't a real business then?

Hilarious dude, keep it coming.

No, they couldn't come out with a new operating system and do well. You're crazy if you think that.

Sheesh everyone in software should know that history of OS but you think they took the OS prize based on being first. Wow

Yes, it was luck and they are not a real business because they couldn't duplicate that today. According to you.

the only thing really silly is you calling peoples' ideas silly while making the silliest statement about OS history i've heard in along time.

Ah, so I hurt your feelings. I didn't intend to and apologize if that was the case.

Meanwhile Go to any bank for financing and tell them your marketing business models is "well we are going to go viral and that will propel our growth'.

Ok, so the goal posts change again. Now a real business needs to be able to attain bank loans. I can't wait to see what other requirements you deem necessary for a real business.

You think you're going to get a loan when you tell a loan officer you're going to help rank websites for a monthly fee. Yeah right.

When they finish laughing you can explain to them how silly they are. Matthew is just pointing out the OBVIOUS . going viral particularly on products or services based on revenge or hate as your hook is not a viable repeatable business model.

No, he didn't say business model. He said business.

Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo

Here you go ...

If a business cannot be duplicated than it's not a REAL business!

haha! I think we got the point, whatever works for them though.

Its crazy that people who claim to know business can't see that.

Yeah, some people are boxed in with their creativity while others can see the potential. Mike, it's obvious you just want to win an argument here. Go ahead and have the last word because there is no point in continuing this "discussion".

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

Cmon Mike, you are changing to goal posts again.

We are talking about reproducible results. Microsoft starting over couldn't reproduce the same results as it did before.

Bogus nonsense Thomas. Matthew didn't make any claim that it had to be reproducible to the same profit margin. You are the one trying to move the goalposts. he said the business should be able to be reproduced. that means it should have discernible steps that someone could come along and see steps toward becoming profitable. Going viral is not one of those kinds of steps You cannot bank on being able to reproduce viral conditions. Why is something soooo simple so hard to grasp?

Xbox, most window tablets and most windows phones are built by Microsoft because everyone else is using Android or in Apples case IOS

Sheesh you know so little about the market. Xbox is a gaming platform and neither android or IOS is their direct competitor. That would be Playstation. Sorry doesn'trun on mobile OS . Further fact IOS and android are no big players in the corporate business world vertical.

Meanwhile why bother releasing your software? It runs on XP does android now run XP? lol even your actions betray how profitable selling to windows users is rather than how they have flopped at everything .

Again, you are changing the argument.

I changed no argument. You are fibbing You see reproducible and you are begging that it means exact revenue reproducible. Its a beg. never the point, Reproducible is reproducible as a viable profitable business. No one could promise exact revenue on any business. You are being utterly ridiculous and doing what you claimed matthew was doing - creating a strawman as a condition probably because you know your point is busted . Your point proven was point flopped because it was based on said strawman. Matthews point was never silly as you flamed him for.

Mike, are you saying Microsoft got "lucky" because Apple tied their OS to their computers? Does that mean Microsoft isn't a real business then?

Are you on something?. I said the exact opposite The reason was not luck or going viral but a real world need based on Apple being proprietary. If right now we were in a world without PCs MACs would rule and the prices would be astronomical. Would there be a real market for cheaper setups for business? Why yes . it would be huge. You are the one thats crazy if you can't see based on Apple's pricing that there would still be such a business market.

Ok, so the goal posts change again. Now a real business needs to be able to attain bank loans. I can't wait to see what other requirements you deem necessary for a real business.

LOL...More silliness Thomas. Thats just an illustration of how bogus your argument is that viral can be apart of a solid business model. Its not saying you have to get a loan its saying those who make it their business to invest in them don't shell out money to people and organizations with Viral as their business plan. Theres a reason for that. try and figure why that is and you might finally get the point.

You think you're going to get a loan when you tell a loan officer you're going to help rank websites for a monthly fee. Yeah right

You must be right. No SEO shop has ever gotten business loans. LOL. Didn't mean to hurt your feeling to the point where you felt you needed to take some shots based on me doing SEO. You're right theres no point to this discussion and I know the drill. You start flaming Matthew thoughts calling them silly and lazy and I defend him and decontruct your "logic" and show how you are silly and it will be no time at all before its me thats the one that caused those unpleasantries. Cue up another Suzanne MA rant.

Yeah, some people are boxed in with their creativity while others can see the potential.

yeah uh-huh or some of us are creative enough to see opportunities all around us without having to look to send glitter to those you hate services to find potential

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Tom B

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

LOL...More silliness Thomas. Thats jsut an illustration of how bogus your argument is that viral can be apart of a solid business model. Its not saying you have to get a loan its saying those who make it their business to invest in them don't shell out money to people and organization with Viral as their business plan. Theres a reason for that. try and figure why that is and you might finally get the point.

Please point to where I said viral marketing is part of a solid business model.

Cue up another Suzanne MA rant.

She has a point, though.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

She has a point, though.

Of course you think so! lol....I'm a prophet......Like I said know the drill. You launch off into flaming Matthew calling his thinking lazy and silly and then you can't defend your position logically so its the fall back....well shucks.... doggone it...... MA did it. Pure hypocrisy.

but by now sooo predictable.

Please point to where I said viral marketing is part of a solid business model.

Read your posts its in there wrapped up in calling Matthew silly and lazy for stating it wasn't a viable business model.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Of course you thin so! lol.....Like I said know the drill. You launch off into flaming Matthew calling his thinking lazy and silly and then you can't defend your position logically so its the fall back....well shucks.... doggone it...... MA did it. Pure hypocrisy.

but by now sooo predictable.

You forgot to link to where I said viral marketing was part of a solid business model. Take your time, I'll wait.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

You forgot to link to where I said viral marketing was part of a solid business model. Take your time, I'll wait.

already answered it. Playing games that your objection to it not being considered a good business model by me and thomas doesn't constitute your acceptance that it is won't work. Sorry. Now I'm just waiting for the link where I changed my argument or moved the goal post like you fibbed I did. Only I don't think I'll wait long so if you could expedite it it would appreciated.

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Tom B

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

already answered it. now I'm just waiting for the link where I changed my argument or moved the goal post like you fibbed I did. Only I don't think I'll wait long so if you could expedite it it would appreciated.

I already quoted the portions of comments when I responded. You, on the other hand, haven't quoted anything that showed where I stated viral marketing was part of a solid marketing model.

I get it, you are so desperate to win an argument you need to start lying.

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

I already quoted the portions of comments when I responded..

You showed no such thing but the fibbing on your part about my position is pretty entrenched by now so don't hold out much hope you'll stop.. You quoted something I said and made a claim that I changed it. so go ahead and quote what it was before and how I changed it. chop chop. Twisting and distorting will not suffice just like your history of OSs didn't either.

Meanwhile you have been arguing against Matthew and my position that this viral prank was not a good business model . Basic logic . If you argue that B is not equal to C you can't claim logically that you never argued C was not equal to B. Get it? if not cant help you further. If you think you can wiggle out of that then you might have a future in politics.

mehh..never mind...too bored. Times up and someone has to be the bigger person and end the back and forth. Have a good night.
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Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Read your posts its in there wrapped up in calling Matthew silly and lazy for stating it wasn't a viable business model.

Why not quote exactly were I said viral marketing is part of a solid business model. Should be easy, you are saying I said it so please quote and link to where I said it.
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DubDubDubDot

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

Now they are getting killed on the operating system market.

Windows holds 90% of the desktop OS market. OS X was 7.8% in Dec 2013 and went up less than 1% a full year later.
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

Windows holds 90% of the desktop OS market. OS X was 7.8% in Dec 2013 and went up less than 1% a full year later.
StatCounter Global Stats - Browser, OS, Search Engine including Mobile Usage Share

I dunno how anyone can be a programmer and not know that MS still takes in billions for their software or think that Windows only beat Mac because they came out first

. It boggles the mind the crazy things people on here will say. Its like an alternate universe.

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Matthew Trujillo

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

I build software. I am not in the mailing glitter business. What you are trying to do is considered a straw man argument.

You believe so much in this business that you won't build a business around it?

You believe so much in this business model that you cannot show anybody how it's done?

You sure are the expert in this field aren't you?

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Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo

You sure are the expert in this field aren't you?

If it wasn't for the software stuff, I would sell business blueprints.
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  If it wasn't for the software stuff, I would sell business blueprints.
  
  Yeah only if you knew what you were talking about.
  
  Which it's clearly obvious you don't have a single clue.
  
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  Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo
  
  Yeah only if you knew what you were talking about.
  
  Which it's clearly obvious you don't have a single clue.
  
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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I think it fair to say most people will not be able to come up with something that goes viral like that as you claim. If there were a process to follow then that would be another matter. For example enough cute videos have gone viral enough that you could probably have some guidelines on how the cuteness viral stuff works

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Many web sites have sold for over $70,000 and its not big news. I'm sure you know that so the only difference here only underlines my point. Its the fast income and profit thats a central part of this story. I didn't make it up or start up with it. its a key ingredient of this story's appeal.

Yep. He made fast income. From a brand new site. Big, fast income. And he's bright enough to do it again. But it's no wonder why so many people fail to make a dime online. Especially when they listen to all the naysayers ... Mr. You Can't Do This, You Can't Do That. And as for many sites being sold for over $70K ... not many startups less than a week old have sold for $70K, but do feel free to list them if there's "many" as you suggest.

Anyone who learns the skills and does the research into what kind of sites sell, can replicate that success over and over again. Well, almost anyone. You actually have to be capable of having a good idea now and again and implementing it.

Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets

So be it. A business exists to make money. This particular business did that, albeit for a very short period of time. But he's banking on Flippa...good for him!

This business Lisa, has just begun and made money and made a list of over 15K people waiting for it to reopen. In 24 hours, there will be a new owner. It has not been proven that the business will not make money. Not by a long shot.

Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo

I can list 8 people who won the lottery , that doesn't mean I'm going to start buying lottery tickets.

if it works than stick with it , when you make it big you can show everybody how you did it by releasing a WSO.

I don't now or ever release Make Money Online WSOs. My only listings on the WF are in what used to be the Complete Sites for Sale Section. So, if you're waiting for the WSO, you've got a long wait.

Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo

Here you go ...

If a business cannot be duplicated than it's not a REAL business!

haha! I think we got the point, whatever works for them though.

Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo

You believe so much in this business that you won't build a business around it?

You believe so much in this business model that you cannot show anybody how it's done?

You sure are the expert in this field aren't you?

Repeated from above. I'm not in business to teach other people to do jack shit. In fact, I started this thread not to teach anyone anything. I started it because I am a site flipper and domainer that absolutely loves a great viral idea and a super great website auction, and this is both.

I've been flipping sites for over 15 years, so yeah, I believe in site flipping and domaining. But I love your attitude. It keeps the site flipping space wide open for people that "do" rather than people that "can't."

But here's a good thread for you if you require some assistance
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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Especially when they listen to all the naysayers ... Mr. You Can't Do This, You Can't Do That. And as for many sites being sold for over $70K ... not many startups less than a week old have sold for $70K, but do feel free to list them if there's "many" as you suggest.

Some people just lack creativity and will shoot down creative ideas.

You got a lot of companies building up large numbers of users through word of mouth. A lot of tech companies like Facebook or Snapchat or Whatapp that are worth billions. It seems they are not legit businesses according to some whack logic being used in this thread.

I pity the people who listen to the naysayers.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

Some people just lack creativity and will shoot down creative ideas.

You got a lot of companies building up large numbers of users through word of mouth. A lot of tech companies like Facebook or Snapchat or Whatapp that are worth billions. It seems they are not legit businesses according to some whack logic being used in this thread.

I pity the people who listen to the naysayers.

Viral marketing is a business in and of itself. There are a lot of companies that do nothing but create viral marketing campaigns for clients. Mainstream companies use viral marketing all the time.

How These 10 Marketing Campaigns Became Viral Hits

This guy got a surprise viral campaign, but whatever. He isn't the only person to have accidental success. Consider the example of Teflon, Popsickles, SuperGlue, PlayDoh, Post-It Notes, Microwave Ovens, Velcro, the Slinky, Penicillin, The Pacemaker, Fireworks, Corn Flakes, etc.

10 Accidental Discoveries That Generated Great Wealth
The Top 7 Accidental Yet Successful Inventions | Addicted 2 Success

American researcher Roy Plunkett was experimenting with gases for Freon refrigerants for Dupont in 1938 when he inadvertently left a sample out overnight. By morning, it had frozen to a whitish wax. But rather than consign the lump to the trash, he tested it to discover some of its very unusual properties. By 1945 it was trademarked as Teflon and Dupont managed to find a wealth of applications for its latest profit maker, from kitchenware to cable insulation. Plunkett stayed with the company and at the time of his retirement in 1975, he was director of operations for Freon products. Teflon has since earned billions for Dupont. It goes to show how prudent investment in R&D, combined with a spot of luck, can help businesses generate mass profits.

Here's 5 more accidental success stories that are more Internet related
Five successful NYC businesses

Yeah ... you're right. Naysayers are a pathetic lot.

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo

Here you go ...

If a business cannot be duplicated than it's not a REAL business!

haha! I think we got the point, whatever works for them though.

You included a part about luck before but meh its still good.
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Brad Gosse

9 years ago

People keep hating on this idea because they secretly wish they came up with it themselves. It may not be as stable as other business models but it's a great example of how someone takes action and sees a great result.

I am not pretending to be a guru and I have no skin in this game. Either way it's cool as hell wether you think the glitter market is saturated or not.

You can't argue that this guy created value, built buzz and is now cashing out. Nobody got lucky here, this was well executed. You don't get coverage like that sitting on your hands

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Brad Gosse

People keep hating on this idea because they secretly wish they came up with it themselvestakes

Nope..... your mind reading skills are not sufficient. You might be projecting about your values or not, I dunno, but you are dead wrong. I value what I pass on to my kids more than dollars and the LAST thing I would want them to get from me is the idea that I made my money from harassing people or playing on the lower side of human character in revenge. Money isn't everything to everyone and frankly this isn't that much money. its so far piddling so its even stranger you would make such statement

You can't argue that this guy created value, built buzz and is now cashing out. Nobody got lucky here, this was well executed. You don't get coverage like that sitting on your hands

He got lucky. He admitted as much.He said straight it was a gag and his amazement and lack of preparation for what happened back it up. So trying to reconstruct it as some pre-planned execution to get to this result just doesn't line u p with the facts.

I say more power to him and I am not hating on him especially because he himself is not drawing some of the conclusions some of you are. A good deal of what goes viral has nothing to do with preplaning and executing a plan.

thats just obvious. If any of you could derive a bullet plan for what goes viral this thread and others like it would be about you

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Brad Gosse

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

and frankly this isn't that much money.

Sorry Richie Rich but we must play in different sandboxes. $70-$100k is and always will be a lot of money in my world no matter how fat my bank account gets. Some people have to work for years to make that much.

And it's definitely a lot of money to someone his age starting out.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Brad Gosse

Sorry Richie Rich but we must play in different sandboxes.Perhaps $70-$100k is and always will be a lot of money in my world no matter how fat my bank account gets. Some people have to work for years to make that much..

Brad try and follow the point next time. I've said before its a nice payout for him and his self confessed gag. As something for marketers to emulate to the point where they wish (according to your mind reading) it was them .......nah

Neither I nor anyone else on this board has to look at $70-$150,000 as wow I wish that were my idea. We can and are making that every year with sustainable business models.

Meanwhile this says a lot about the MMO space in internet marketing. None of the people here who do more than that every year get this ...wow...brilliant....smart. accolades. Why? simply because its fast money ...not even more money.

This is why no matter how you clean up income claims it doesn't change or clean up the market. Its still driven by the same mentality. Hype over sensibility . Gimmick over value. Fast over consistent.

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Brad Gosse

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Brad try and follow the point next time. I've said before its a nice payout for him and his self confessed gag. As something for marketers to emulate to the point where they wish (according to your mind reading) it was them .......nah

Neither I nor anyone else on this board has to look at $70-$150,000 as wow I wish that were my idea. We can and are making that every year with sustainable business models.

Meanwhile this says a lot about the MMO space in internet marketing. None of the people here who do more than that every year get this ...wow...brilliant....smart. accolades. Why? simply because its fast money ...not even more money.

This is why no matter how you clean up income claims it doesn't change or clean up the market. Its still driven by the same mentality. Hype over sensibility . Gimmick over value. Fast over consistent.

Sorry dude I must be too dumb to see your point

I am sure nobody wishes they came up with that idea LOL

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Tom B

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I say more power to him and I am not hating on him especially because he himself is not drawing some of the conclusions some of you are. A good deal of what goes viral has nothing to do with preplaning and executing a plan.

thats just obvious. If any of you could derive a bullet plan for what goes viral this thread and others like it would be about you

Actually Mike, the lesson to learn is you won't know until you do it. The guy took action, made a site and posted it on twitter or whatever social networks.

He cashed in.

It's a cop out to say he was lucky. Most people say that about all successes. It wasn't luck that made him implement an idea and put it out there.

I don't know why people are hating on this idea or the guy. It's rather strange to see that on the forum that is suppose to promote the entrepreneurial spirit.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

Actually Mike, the lesson to learn is you won't know until you do it. The guy took action, made a site and posted it on twitter or whatever social networks.

You missed a key word Thomas. Which is why I stated what have we learned NEW. Obviously action beats non action but who didn't know that before?

It's a cop out to say he was lucky. Most people say that about all successes. It wasn't luck that made him implement an idea and put it out there

No its not a cop out. its just reality and fact. things go viral everyday that no one knew would and for all kinds of unpredictable reasons. Of course if you don't do anything nothing will happen. Thats the same point we all knew before this. However once you do something what goes viral and what doesn't is often dependent on unknown variables and the reason that none of you will address that is because you know its a fact.

It's rather strange to see that on the forum that is suppose to promote the entrepreneurial spirit.

Its strange that the people who are saying create value rather than rely,herald or hero worship gimmicks are getting kickback from some old timers on WF. the whole point of my taking issue is because newbies and people that look up to you see you heralding fast money, low value gimmicks in the marketplace and think - "this must be something to learn from "- when you know perfectly well that going viral isn't whats going to make most of them successful.

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Tom B

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You missed a key word Thomas. Which is why I stated what have we learned NEW. Obviously action beats non action but who didn't know that before?

Unfortunately, I would say lot's of people to be honest. For many, taking action can be purchasing wso's.

That isn't putting an idea/product out there. You and I understand this, but I don't think the majority does.

No its not a cop out. its just reality and fact. things go viral everyday that no one knew would and for all kinds of unpredictable reasons. Of course if you don't do anything nothing will happen. Thats the same point we all knew before this. However once you do something what goes viral and what doesn't is often dependent on unknown variables and the reason that none of you will address that is because you know its a fact.

I don't think anyone said they had viral marketing down to a science.

Its strange that the people who are saying create value rather than rely,herald or hero worship gimmicks are getting kickback from some old timers on WF. the whole point of my taking issue is because newbies and people that look up to you see you heralding fast money, low value gimmicks in the marketplace and think - "this must be something to learn from "- when you know perfectly well that going viral isn't whats going to make most of them successful.

Ah, but making someone laugh is creating value. This is exactly what this product does and why so many people were ready to purchase it. People wouldn't be purchasing it if it didn't create value for them.

No, I am not heralding fast money. You are reading into some of these posts simply because the guy made fast money. I am simply saying the guy took an idea and made something out of it and put it out there for the universe to see. He wasn't scared of failure or ridicule.

He just did it.

You're right, I don't believe this was a carefully crafted marketing plan. He just did it and threw it out there. That, in itself, should show people that crazy things can and will happen when you take action. Things could change fast and one of the reasons I get a high from this business.

Many people, myself included, create stuff without the intention of it becoming a long term business.

That is entrepreneurialism (not sure if that is a word haha) at it's core.

We should be promoting this type of action. You learn something new every time you do something even if it was a failure.

This wasn't a business venture for this guy. He could have worked it into a long term business (however long a long-term business is suppose to be). We simply don't know but if you had told me some of the big companies like Google or Facebook would be long term businesses when the first rendition of their product came out, I would tell you you're crazy.

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barbling

9 years ago

Anybody remember Million Dollar Homepage where the guy sold pixel by pixel space and cleared over 1 million?

2005 that was....

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by barbling

Anybody remember Million Dollar Homepage where the guy sold pixel by pixel space and cleared over 1 million?

2005 that was....

The Million Dollar Homepage - Own a piece of internet history!

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.... and some self-appointed geniuses no doubt said that the Pet Rock was a stupid idea that would never fly. lol

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by barbling

Anybody remember Million Dollar Homepage where the guy sold pixel by pixel space and cleared over 1 million?

2005 that was....

Now THAT was a whale of an idea that had quite a bit of staying power and he came up with that entirely by himself and his ingenuity. It also was all about value not gimmicks (advertisers got real value)
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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

This is why no matter how you clean up income claims it doesn't change or clean up the market.

lol. The site has nothing to do with income claims or the "IM space." It's a mainstream gag gift, every bit as viable as pet rocks once were. There's 5,200 people waiting for the buy button to reappear to buy, in addition to the original $20K worth of orders already paid for.

I'm fairly certain that the new owners have long term plans for the site and only time will tell ... not you or any other naysayers, whether they make it a long term success.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

lol. The site has nothing to do with income claims or the "IM space." It's a mainstream gag gift, every bit as viable as pet rocks once were. There's 5,200 people waiting for the buy button to reappear to buy, in addition to the original $20K worth of orders already paid for.

I'm fairly certain that the new owners have long term plans for the site and only time will tell ... not you or any other naysayers, whether they make it a long term success.

We really don't know how much this idea could have brought in. He stopped taking orders.

There was a place, in the local mall, that sold gag gifts. They sold a lot of things but there was a section that had gag gifts and you always saw people in there laughing.

This business was in that mall for as long as I could remember.

The reason I say this is because he could have added more gag gifts as time goes. Specific gifts for bosses, husbands, wives, etc... Who knows, really, how big he could have built this up had he put his time into it.

We really don't know how long term this could be. I don't doubt that the people buying this stuff wouldn't buy more gag stuff.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

We really don't know how much this idea could have brought in. He stopped taking orders.

There was a place, in the local mall, that sold gag gifts. They sold a lot of things but there was a section that had gag gifts and you always saw people in there laughing.

This was in there for as long as I could remember.

The reason I say this is because he could have added more gag gifts as time goes. Specific gifts for bosses, husbands, wives, etc... Who knows, really, how big he could have built this up had he put his time into it.

We really don't know how long term this could be. I don't doubt that the people buying this stuff wouldn't buy more gag stuff.

Absolutely. I would have kept the buy button open even if I planned on selling it, but he did the next best thing by capturing emails of people who wanted to be notified when it started taking orders, so that's an additional site asset for the new buyers to begin to recoup the cost of the site. Gag gifts are a sound business. People love them, and that's what I would do if I bought the site ... expand the selection of gifts available over time or even expand the glitter collection to include different types of glitter bombs.

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Brad Gosse

Sorry dude I must be too dumb to see your point I am sure nobody wishes they came up with that idea LOL

I wouldn't call you dumb but you sure can't follow a point. You specified a certain set of people (not just any person) wish they had come up with the idea. By your criteria that would have been me but you were wrong.

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

lol. The site has nothing to do with income claims or the "IM space." It's a mainstream gag gift, every bit as viable as pet rocks once were.

Flew right over your head Suzanne. My point was the reaction on this board which is an IM space . Let me put it straight

You (generically)herald and hero worship fast money. You can deny it but in the years I've been here I 've never seen anyone amazed at someone making even $100, 000 over year or two. ho hum.... nothing big. No genius , no smart guy.

This thread is sensational for the fact of how fast the money was made. plain and simple. we have newbies making that with sustainable models and they don't get this reaction for such a low some. So the difference comes in how fast the money was made.

I'm fairly certain that the new owners have long term plans for the site and only time will tell ... not you or any other naysayers, whether they make it a long term success.

and when and if they do then that will be something to herald but spin as you like this thread isn't about them its about the guy making money off a prank that went viral and since he is selling it he's not going to get more than the sale s price and the money he made before closing sales which is LESS than many people here make but over a longer period of time.

So would this be something people would be jumping down over if it was twice the money in 18 months ? nah. it wouldn't.

and thats what s wrong with IM and with this community.
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QueenMelanie

9 years ago

I "stumbled upon" the glitter site a few days before it became massive, and remember thinking, wow what a genius idea.. There are still unbelievably simple things that you can do to make money online, you just have to think of it and put it out there

this guy wasn't prepared in the slightest for success though

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Markets

9 years ago

I saw this site the first day it came up, had no idea it went live that day though, I found that out the other day. :p

Epic site, it's funny to see how many copies that are coming up. Good work original owner though.

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JohnMcCabe

9 years ago

Mike, I'm not sure where the hostility is coming from.

I agreed with Suzanne's point about moderate application of alcohol being an aid to creative thinking (as backed by the article she later cited), and you made the leap to a joint WSO about how to get rich with a viral flash in the pan by "guzzling" beers.

I didn't see any kind of guru worship nor any stand in favor of chasing a flash in the pan over creating a sustainable business. You started that.

Obviously, this kid doesn't have the same advantage you have in seeing the path to multiply the results. He caught lightning in a bottle, got overwhelmed, and decided to cash out before he blew it completely. Given what appears to be true for him, I think he's making the right move. That has nothing to do with worshipping fast money over building a sustainable business.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Mike, I'm not sure where the hostility is coming from.

I agreed with Suzanne's point about moderate application of alcohol being an aid to creative thinking (as backed by the article she later cited), and you made the leap to a joint WSO about how to get rich with a viral flash in the pan by "guzzling" beers.

It comes from the fact that I started the thread and it's pretty well known we don't get along. He's hostile. He calls himself a champion of newbies, pretending not to want them to be swayed by fast money while hawking his pbn's while you sleep. lol.

For the record, the remark I made about inviting friends over for a case of beer while brainstorming was a joke. Most could see that and in fact, I don't drink alcohol ... at all.

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

I didn't see any kind of guru worship nor any stand in favor of chasing a flash in the pan over creating a sustainable business. You started that.

That's one of his favorite ways of attacking. Putting words in people's mouths and pretending like they said it.

Fact is, flipping websites is more than a viable business model. I've been doing it for years. Brad Gosse has his fair share of success in it as well. To pretend that we are teaching newbies something .... ooooh so bad is par for the course for Mike Anthony. This thread should have just been light and inspirational for those thinking about ways to make money. I contacted Alaister and discussed with him about how a troll can ruin thread after thread, particularly if I'm in it. People like him are one reason why most don't even want to bother posting in the main forum and subforums.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

ooooh so bad is par for the course for Mike Anthony. This thread should have just been light and inspirational for those thinking about ways to make money. I contacted Alaister and discussed with him about how a troll can ruin thread after thread, particularly if I'm in it. People like him are one reason why most don't even want to bother posting in the main forum and subforums.

Whenever theres a difference of opinion of mine that you cannot deconstruct logically you go to derailing the entire thread (even apparently if its your own) to rant about me. I don't look at threads to see whose in it. I look at titles. You posted this twice in two sections...am I in both? You are just trying to trump up something to squelch opinions you don't like. A mod can check if I am in your threads with any regularity.

Some of us just plain don't find this inspirational in the sense of something to be emulated by newbies (in a part because it can't be). If you can't handle a difference of opinion on that and the resulting debate in it then whose trolling who? and I did NOT say one thing about flipping websites being wrong. You just TOTALLY made that up.

and yeah PBNs can be done in your sleep. wont lead to success in one though - just like ready to go ecommerce sites....So another point off the mark.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Some of us just plain don't find this inspirational in the sense of something to be emulated by newbies (in a part because it can't be).

Yeah, we get it. You're not inspired. You've mentioned it over and over again. The fact is that any newbie, oldie or in between can come up with a great idea that will go viral. The fact that he did not want to operate it as a business, does not mean in any way that it cannot be operated as a sustainable business. He decided to flip it and this is a granddaddy of flips. Own a site less than a week and flip for over $70K. That's an accomplishment that few achieve in website flipping ... flipping a startup for that kind of money.

The fact that gag sites like this are popular is obvious. Gag gifts have always been popular and they are in fact, a sustainable business, whether you agree or not.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

The fact is that any newbie, oldie or in between can come up with a great idea that will go viral.

I think thats really the point (and thanks for coming off the persona stuff). this particular case doesn't really indicate that at all. Since he had no such intent except as a gag we can't even go through the process of how he came up with the idea besides duplicating something done to him that annoyed him.

I think it fair to say most people will not be able to come up with something that goes viral like that as you claim. If there were a process to follow then that would be another matter. For example enough cute videos have gone viral enough that you could probably have some guidelines on how the cuteness viral stuff works.

But in the services to get back at people and annoy them well. thats more likely to implode than explode. I actually do think there are some viral examples that do indicate some general ingredients (theres always a lightning in a bottle part as well)

Own a site less than a week and flip for over $70K. That's an accomplishment that few achieve in website flipping ... flipping a startup for that kind of money. .

Many web sites have sold for over $70,000 and its not big news. I'm sure you know that so the only difference here only underlines my point. Its the fast income and profit thats a central part of this story. I didn't make it up or start up with it. its a key ingredient of this story's appeal.

Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets

I don't think that it's all done maliciously. I, for one, have several people that I'd send this to just to be snarky and funny.

I'd agree but this went viral under the idea of sending Glitter to people you hate or want to get back at. The whole "marketing" tone and message is appealing to malicious intent and that was part of the appeal.

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Lisa Gergets

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I'd agree but this went viral under the idea of sending Glitter to people you hate or want to get back at. The whole "marketing" tone and message is appealing to malicious intent and that was part of the appeal.

So be it. A business exists to make money. This particular business did that, albeit for a very short period of time. But he's banking on Flippa...good for him!

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Mike, I'm not sure where the hostility is coming from.

John you are reading hostility in where there was none toward you. It was a joke. All I can gather is that you must b e more serious about this beer drinking solution to get great business ideas than I thought. I actually thought it was somewhat tongue in check on your part.

I didn't see any kind of guru worship nor any stand in favor of chasing a flash in the pan over creating a sustainable business. You started that.

No I didn't.thats just pretty selective reading our of context . Guru worship came in from Suzanne who thought because brad agrees with something that settles it and the sustainable model viewpoint over flash in the pans has been bought up by more than me. Its perfectly legit discussion to have in a thread like this. to be honest it seems some of you think it should be standard that everyone falls over at this.

Some of us don;t ...thats all. We are allowed our opinion without accusations we "started" anything.

Obviously, this kid doesn't have the same advantage you have in seeing the path to multiply the results.

No it sot obvious. the kid probably has good head on his shoulders since he knew to get out and again you are not reading properly - the charge of loving fast money or worshipping it was not aimed at the guy but those who obviously idolize the swiftness of this income. I am NOT saying everyone does either but that it IS a component of this story.
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OnlineStoreHelp

9 years ago

While I will give the creators credit for getting a quick site up, there is nothing original about it. The original creators of the glitter gag had a article written about 10 days back (Yahoo news if my memory serves). All these guys did is pop up a site, run ads while the news was fresh in peoples minds and post it on Flippa.

Again, tons of credit for initiative and the speed in which they got it up, no such credit for the original idea...

EDIT: OK this may have actually been the site that was talked about in the news. My bad here but the news story I read, the original creator had shut down his site...

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Lisa Gergets

9 years ago

I don't think that it's all done maliciously. I, for one, have several people that I'd send this to just to be snarky and funny.

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DubDubDubDot

9 years ago

There is going to be an Australian version of Shark Tank this year.

https://www.facebook.com/sharktankau

I wonder if filming has completed? He needs to get on the phone with them immediately and see if he can get on. He could go in, give the envelopes to the sharks and say to open them at the same time.... then glitter everywhere. It would make for good TV.

It would be a risk though.... canceling a $70k auction to try for more on TV.... but then maybe the TV exposure alone generates more than $70k.

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Benomar

9 years ago

I think this will go down soon when gig sellers hear about it. Anyone can do this for $1 gig.
Don't you think so ?

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satrap

9 years ago

I love how some are bashing the guy for not having a viable business strategy, or selling it to quick, ...

The guy has repeatedly said he was just doing it as a prank. When was the last time any of us did something as a prank that made us this much money?...

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by satrap

I love how some are bashing the guy for not having a viable business strategy, or selling it to quick,.

I don't see anyone bashing him for having no business plan. I see people bashing the idea that his prank has the seeds of a business plan. Most of which he never claimed.

The guy is cool and fine and getting his payday..good for him.
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ProfitFromMyDomain

9 years ago

Sounds like something an entrepreneur would do when they get bored.....make more money

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XponentSYS

9 years ago

I love it when he's explainng that he uses PayPal to take orders and he says......

You will leave my site and be taken to PayPal for payment. Yeah I know they're a terrible company......, why not send those dicks some glitter?

lol. Gotta hand it to the kid......

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