Weird: Illegal to Link to the Warrior Forum

9 years ago

Where are these rules Brian?

I just looked at the updated one(apparently) I don't see that, is this another update?
If so where are they located?
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kindsvater 9 years ago

Originally Posted by WD Mino

Where are these rules Brian?

Forum rules at the bottom of the page. Also the terms of use. The date says 5/13 but there have been changes made since then.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

You cannot write posts with an "excessive" amount of CAPITAL LETTERS.

You cannot access the forum via a proxy.

Very happy to hear about those two. Those look excellent rules.

Some of the others seem to require some "interpretation", perhaps?

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Jeff Lenney

9 years ago

Apparently, no squeeze pages allowed in signatures either

Had my current one deleted twice already - the first time because it's an affiliate link... ??

I'm starting to find less and less reasons to come here since the new owners took over...

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heavysm

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeff Lenney

Apparently, no squeeze pages allowed in signatures either

Had my current one deleted twice already - the first time because it's an affiliate link... ??

I'm starting to find less and less reasons to come here since the new owners took over...

Ok, this was new to me...No squeeze pages, huh?

Are we allowed to have lead capture pages in our signatures? And by that I mean a page with content that leads to a field where a visitor can input name and email.

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Jeff Lenney

9 years ago

Originally Posted by heavysm

Ok, this was new to me...No squeeze pages, huh?

Are we allowed to have lead capture pages in our signatures? And by that I mean a page with content that leads to a field where a visitor can input name and email.

Well, my squeeze page re-directs people to an affiliate offer AFTER they opt in.

Check the source code for ANY squeeze page - they'll usually have a re-direct for once users opt in.

They said I was cloaking and doing it again could get me 'in trouble'

I had to literally explain how a squeeze page works to the mod(s) that was/were deleting my signature...

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lgibbon

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeff Lenney

Well, my squeeze page re-directs people to an affiliate offer AFTER they opt in.

Check the source code for ANY squeeze page - they'll usually have a re-direct for once users opt in.

They said I was cloaking and doing it again could get me 'in trouble'

I had to literally explain how a squeeze page works to the mod(s) that was/were deleting my signature...

Then you were breaking the rules then.
Affiliate re-directs have never been allowed here:

From the rules in the sticky:

Due to certain people trying to find a loophole I needed to add yet another edit. Please do not try to get around these rules by getting your own domain name and simply redirecting it to an affiliate program. You Will Be Removed From Here When Caught.

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Jeff Lenney

9 years ago

Originally Posted by lgibbon

Then you were breaking the rules then.
Affiliate re-directs have never been allowed here:

From the rules in the sticky:

Due to certain people trying to find a loophole I needed to add yet another edit. Please do not try to get around these rules by getting your own domain name and simply redirecting it to an affiliate program. You Will Be Removed From Here When Caught.

Read what I wrote again - it's NOT a re-direct. You're re-directed once you opt IN - which is how squeeze pages work

Also, the mods ok'ed it for me now - just haven't re-added it yet

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lgibbon Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeff Lenney

Also, the mods ok'ed it for me now - just haven't re-added it yet

Then they need to edit the rules then.
Affiliate re-directs were never allowed, with or without an optin.
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heavysm

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeff Lenney

Read what I wrote again - it's NOT a re-direct. You're re-directed once you opt IN - which is how squeeze pages work

Also, the mods ok'ed it for me now - just haven't re-added it yet

Well now that's just confusing. I was assuming that "cloaking" referred to putting the affiliate offer after the opt-in, which would be a redirect to, instead of a thank you page, the affiliate offer.

But you say that it was approved for you? I honestly don't know what the rules specifically allow/prohibit in terms of lead capture pages, then.

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heavysm

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeff Lenney

Well, my squeeze page re-directs people to an affiliate offer AFTER they opt in.

Check the source code for ANY squeeze page - they'll usually have a re-direct for once users opt in.

They said I was cloaking and doing it again could get me 'in trouble'

I had to literally explain how a squeeze page works to the mod(s) that was/were deleting my signature...

Cloaking? It's just a guess, but perhaps it's because you're not redirecting to your own product. I know linking out to an obvious affiliate page is a big no-no, so the mere usage of an affiliate offer after your opt-in page caused the trouble for you.

If i understand your situation correctly then using a squeeze page/lead capture page in our sigs isn't a problem as long as it redirects to our own products/non-affiliate pages. If that's the case we aren't as bad off as I thought lol

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James Campbell

9 years ago

WarriorForum - Terms of Use

That is the link WD

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WD Mino

9 years ago

Thanks James,

I must be missing something I don't see these things Brian mentions. Like if they update the rules it should be posted as "update to rules" LOL

I will have to read it all through I guess I don't immediately see it

thanks for the link James I appreciate it
-WD

Oh.....
Well, there ya go, you can't compete with the forum using it's own services.
YIKES! Is that what it means Brian you can't now be an affiliate or use jvzoo or w+ in a wso?
man I would have totally missed this, it should definitely be made known if things get changed.

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ForumGuru

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by WD Mino

Thanks James,

I must be missing something I don't see these things Brian mentions.

They are there...I have copy and pasted a few snippets.

engaging in unauthorized framing of or linking to the Website;

including excessive use of capital letters and spamming (continuous posting of repetitive text) that interferes with any party's uninterrupted use

using any information obtained from the Website in order to contact, advertise to, solicit, or sell to any user without their prior explicit consent;

disguising the origin of any information or inquiry transmitted through the Website or using tools which anonymize your internet protocol address (e.g. anonymous proxy) to access the Service;

using the Warrior Forum Service as part of any effort to compete with Warrior Forum or to provide services as a service bureau;

WarriorForum - Terms of Use

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WD Mino

9 years ago

Thanks Don,

Yeah I read them, WOW, we really need to be told when things get added imo

I appreciate you posting them.

Best,
-WD

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WD Mino

9 years ago

Wait, isn't that a law? Pyramid schemes, aren't they outlawed or something?

oh well, good to cover all the bases I guess

-WD

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James Campbell

9 years ago

Just more crap mixed with some stuff that makes sense. Same old song from the new owners IMO

Hopefully, they start getting more clear on what they want or are trying to do, or maybe just outright say what they are trying to turn this place into. Sadly, we'll probably just keep encountering more head-scratching-worthy actions and rules, some of which their employees don't even understand or know how to enforce.

Sigh... I really hope this place gets better before it gets any worse

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DubDubDubDot 9 years ago

Originally Posted by James Campbell

or maybe just outright say what they are trying to turn this place into.

lol
Obviously not a forum full of get rich quick scamming sigwhores.
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- James Campbell 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot
  
  lol
  Obviously not a forum full of get rich quick scamming sigwhores.
  
  Figures you'd show up in this thread acting like a...
  
  No sig on my posts, so stop hating.
  
  Maybe you could contribute something to the conversation like an actual opinion or view on the topic?
  
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Alexa Smith

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by James Campbell

we'll probably just keep encountering more head-scratching-worthy actions and rules, some of which their employees don't even understand or know how to enforce ...

... or aren't allowed to.

Originally Posted by James Campbell

Sigh... I really hope this place gets better before it gets any worse

I hear you. I'm closer than ever before to giving up that hope, to be honest.

The forum seems full of people making hundreds of ridiculous, fatuous, pointless one-line posts, talking utter nonsense, for the sake of exposing their signature-files. And the moderators are apparently either unwilling or unable (they say "unable" and I think that's probably right) to do anything about it at all.

The resulting appearance (which is what matters, of course) is that the current discussions are full of junk and there's not much left of value in the forum, that anyone can actually find. I'm not surprised the traffic's at an all-time low.

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WD Mino

9 years ago

Yeah, how about taking care of the members that use the forum? I mean is it so tough to set a page so it pops up when you login "Update to -whatever has been updated" Facebook does it through a notification, JVZOO does it through a page that comes up. It is not a lot to ask, or maybe I am just spoiled

How can anyone be expected to abide if they don't know, and shouldn't rules/Terms of service be legally worded?

Like how do you enforce some of these things? You can't link to the forum? So google has violated the terms. Makes no sense imo

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Brent Stangel

9 years ago

Sigh... I really hope this place gets better before it gets any worse

It's not looking promising...

Yeah, how about taking care of the members that use the forum?

This is what they claimed was their goal...at first.

Like how do you enforce some of these things?

Apparently, Wholesale Slaughter, as evidenced by:

Had my current one deleted twice already - the first time because it's an affiliate link... ??

I can only speak for myself but I estimate I will not be spending $500 that was in the plan several months ago. No more WSOs or classified ad bumps from this little Black duck!!

They think they are doing good but I think they are pounding huge nails in their coffin. Look at the "quality" of the main forum in the last months. Soon they will have to change the name to "The Non-T1 Newbie Forum."

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Monkmoney

9 years ago

Yea what they do not realize is that the content of experienced people posting here that is the big draw..without them this forum is meaningless

You are doing THEM a service, so they shoukdnt bite the hand that feeds them

They dont pay you to use your valuable time to be here offering free advice and coaching to people

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Raydal

9 years ago

Found this in my PM just a while ago:

LouiGeeinMD: Deleted Thread Hi, I am Louie, one of the moderators. I deleted your thread "I'm TIRED of reading poor testimonials! ". Self- promotional. Regards,

A thread about the best testimonials. What could I be promoting?

My days here are numbered. Quality is dropping really fast.

-Ray Edwards

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Kay King 9 years ago

no squeeze pages allowed in signatures either

But you can link to loads of Fiverr links?
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Sid Hale 9 years ago

WHAT???

Ray, that was a great thread.
What this place needs now is a place where we can rate (or even moderate), the moderators.
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- Raydal 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Sid Hale
  
  WHAT???
  
  Ray, that was a great thread.
  What this place needs now is a place where we can rate (or even moderate), the moderators.
  
  Thread was promised to be recovered and a senior moderator apologized for this as
  a mistake of a moderator in training.
  
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  discrat 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Raydal
  
  Thread was promised to be recovered and a senior moderator apologized for this as
  a mistake of a moderator in training.
  
  -Ray Edwars
  
  Okay, thats cool. People do make mistakes and people in training will make mistakes.
  
  So definitely they should be given the benefit of the doubt.
  
  Just glad to see such a worthwhile Thread recovered
  
  Originally Posted by Raydal
  
  -Ray Edwars
  
  I thought it was Ray Edwards
  
  - Robert Andrew
  
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  Nothing to see here including a Sig so just move on :)
  
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  David Keith 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Raydal
  
  Thread was promised to be recovered and a senior moderator apologized for this as
  a mistake of a moderator in training.
  
  -Ray Edwars
  
  good to hear. being a mod is not easy and it is very subjective.
  
  imagine the same thread started with rays exact same sig by someone with 7 posts. lots of us would jump on them for self promotion.
  
  but many of us here know ray (or know of him via wf) and realize he contributes solid info here all the time. I have no doubt in my mind ray wasn't looking for sig clicks, but i can see how some might have interpreted it that way.
  
  as for the topic of the thread....its just business as usually these days pretty much. you write your TOS as broad as possible so you can selectively enforce the "rules" as you see fit.
  
  this is somewhat like what the web hosts do with their "unlimited" plans.
  
  that being said, something being in a TOS doesnt mean its legally enforceable. Saying you are not responsible in a TOS doesnt necessarily remove your legal responsibility.
  
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James Campbell

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Raydal

Found this in my PM just a while ago:

A thread about the best testimonials. What could I be promoting?

My days here are numbered. Quality is dropping really fast.

-Ray Edwards

Demonstrates exactly my point of the staff having no idea how to enforce or apply the rules. Sorry that happened man, it was a great thread that many newbies could have benefited from.

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DWolfe 9 years ago

[QUOTE=James Campbell;9844585]Demonstrates exactly my point of the staff having no idea how to enforce or apply the rules. QUOTE]

How true someone in 2010 needed a hosting suggestion. Five years later it was posted on today answering the question.. I doubt the OP waited 5 years for an answer !
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kindsvater 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Raydal

Found this in my PM just a while ago:
A thread about the best testimonials. What could I be promoting?

At least the mods are taking the time to tell you a thread has been deleted, or moved, and why. Refreshing and seems like a good thing to me.

As for the merits of the specific decision, there will always be differences of opinion and mods have been allowed to make mistakes. I didn't see that thread but it is frustrating when good threads are deleted. There is also nothing new about that.

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Monkmoney

9 years ago

Dang raydal cant believe they thought that thread was self promoting..it was good advice is what it was

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Monkmoney

9 years ago

Sigwhores? Nothing is free, and a link in a sig is little to asl for, to entice experts to come here

The rules were fine before..just dont make posts pointing to your sig, thats a fair balance

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DubDubDubDot 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Monkmoney

Sigwhores? Nothing is free, and a link in a sig is little to asl for, to entice experts to come here

Anytime I see someone with a functioning brain cell on this forum, their sig more often than not has nothing promotional in it. So I'm not sure where these sigwhoring experts are at that you speak of.
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Monkmoney

9 years ago

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate and hate leads to the darkside

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DubDubDubDot 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Monkmoney

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate and hate leads to the darkside

Translation: "I can't think of any experts hanging around here that are sigwhores, so I'm going to print some random quote."
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- nicoli 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot
  
  Translation: "I can't think of any experts hanging around here that are sigwhores, so I'm going to print some random quote."
  
  It's not random, and if you could see through your usual negative lenses you have on, you'll see the hidden message..
  
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asamanthinketh

9 years ago

I'd make a suggestion right now, but honestly I think it's against their new TOS haha

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LodestarVince

9 years ago

Usually a larger company buying a smaller one is all about continuity of growth and expanding product offerings. WF already had a bit of an imagine issue so Freelancer is creating some legitimacy and cleaning up the forum's act.

Someone's not going to agree with everything, but if you play by the rules you should be able to find success.

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onSubie

9 years ago

Originally Posted by LodestarVince

Usually a larger company buying a smaller one is all about continuity of growth and expanding product offerings. WF already had a bit of an imagine issue so Freelancer is creating some legitimacy and cleaning up the forum's act.

Someone's not going to agree with everything, but if you play by the rules you should be able to find success.

Are you one of the Freelancer "paid-to-post" shills?

Your join date is after the takeover so I think it is doubtful you have enough insight to the changes in culture and members.

If you have any WF experience you would notice that Freelancer is doing the opposite of "creating some legitimacy and cleaning up the forum's act".

If anything it is the opposite: More scammers, more spam, poor regulation of WSO's, poor moderation of posts.

It is not a coincidence that many long term members fled the forum and many others lurk mostly in the Off-Topic forum.

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9 years ago

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Robert Puddy

9 years ago

Originally Posted by QueenMelanie

ah well, rules are rules, not so hard to follow them, its our own choice to be members here

Another One liner posted from the above

Originally Posted by QueenMelanie

buzzbundle is a great software for getting forum and social media traffic.. It basically gathers all forum and social media and blog posts relating to your keywords, and you can post your comments right from the program.. don't think I did a very good job of explaining it, but google Buzzbundle to see what its all about.. has both free and premium options..

see here is part of the problem, posting one liners to forum threads without actually ever visiting the site, No wonder the forum is going to hell in a handbasket

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selfdisciplineacademy

9 years ago

They are very serious about linking.

You can't provide link, especially to..

1) Affiliate offers
2) Your own websites
3) WarriorForum Competition..

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WD Mino

9 years ago

Les,

I think what that means though, is having a domain name that once clicked bypasses the domain and goes to the affiliate site/offer.

Easily done but going to a squeeze page and opting in, they are sent to affiliate offer rather than thanks for signing up page.

I don't know, but that seems different to me

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lgibbon

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by WD Mino

Les,

I think what that means though, is having a domain name that once clicked bypasses the domain and goes to the affiliate site/offer.

Easily done but going to a squeeze page and opting in, they are sent to affiliate offer rather than thanks for signing up page.

I don't know, but that seems different to me

Best,
-WD

WD,
An affiliate offer is different to an affiliate link.
My understanding was the original intent of the rule was to make it a little more difficult for the people sent here just to advertise affiliate links.
Most weren't able to make pages themselves so it tended to slow down the onslaught.

One can only imagine the amount of garbage we will get here now, once people realise they just need to go to leadpages, slap in an affiliate link and off they go.
The final nail in the coffin.

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Ghoster

9 years ago

engaging in unauthorized framing of or linking to the Website

Good luck enforcing that.

You cannot access the forum via a proxy.

That made me LOL. Good luck enforcing this.

You cannot use the forum as part of any effort to compete with Warrior Forum.

Haha.

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Alexa Smith Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Ghoster

engaging in unauthorized framing of or linking to the Website

Good luck enforcing that.

That's a deterrent, isn't it? And/or so that if they notify someone that what they're doing isn't "authorized" by them, they can ban them if they keep doing it. Fair enough, surely?

Originally Posted by Ghoster

You cannot access the forum via a proxy.

That made me LOL. Good luck enforcing this.

Again, I think you've missed the point. It will serve as a justification for banning people who re-join under false identities, using proxies, having been permanently banned. And that's probably why it's there? We should be welcoming that, not ridiculing it.

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Ghoster

9 years ago

Again, I think you've missed the point. It will serve as a justification for banning people who re-join under false identities, using proxies, having been permanently banned. And that's probably why it's there? We should be welcoming that, not ridiculing it.

They don't need justification—they own the property.

No, you missed my point, but I didn't make it very elegantly. The point is this: No forum in existence can enforce a rule like that. So seeing this rule is funny to people who understand how futile it is.

Posting rules like these will just make tech-savvy trolls try harder because they see it as a challenge.

Reddit has come closest to solving this problem. They "shadowban" users. Trolls or spammers don't know they've been banned, so they keep posting. But their posts are only visible to them. They don't sign up for multiple accounts unless they realize they've been soft-banned. Some do, some don't. Elegant.

I have ~10 spammers on my sub at any one time who don't realize that I've shadowbanned them. They stay busy posting to themselves.

This works on Reddit because its content is so spread out. It wouldn't work on a forum like WF. Trolls would quickly realize that no one is responding to them. Then they would hop on their VPN and make a new account.

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WD Mino

9 years ago

Yeah I remember....

O.k. that makes sense so it is the same in that sense.

Thanks for clearing it up Les.
Best,
-WD

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JohnMcCabe

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeff Lenney

Apparently, no squeeze pages allowed in signatures either

Had my current one deleted twice already - the first time because it's an affiliate link... ??

I'm starting to find less and less reasons to come here since the new owners took over...

Can't say anything about squeeze pages, but affiliate links, cloaked or otherwise, have been banned long before the change of ownership.

From your later explanation, that the redirect only went into effect after a visitor took a positive action (the opt-in), would have been okay so long as you owned and/or controlled the page you linked to in your sig.

As for your last comment, I'm starting to agree with you.

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seobro

9 years ago

Hi Ray:
That thread was awesome. Sad that it is gone. Most of the points are ones that we should cover. Most of my testimonials are very vague. I should be more specific from now on. All the best to you.

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iAmNameLess

9 years ago

Man, I'm getting so sick of WF.

Earlier this week a thread I created was deleted in the offline marketing section, the topic was lead nurturing and after 50+ responses and thousands of views it was deleted because there was a link posted in the thread to a lead nurturing resource (free guide no opt in, just a more in depth resource). Another thread was deleted because somebody linked to a hubspot blog post.

Not to mention the huge error on their behalf with the WSO section and warrior payments. WSOs couldn't be bumped, I tried twice, and they said they would credit me those two bumps, but now they said sorry, they can only credit one of those bumps.

Earlier today the warrior payments links for people to pay, weren't working. It wouldn't redirect to paypal, and instead it led to a 503 error: guru mediation, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.

ANOTHER THING... is a friend of mine was promoting something as an affiliate and it wouldn't credit sales.

I understand glitches happen, errors happen, but man, the support is absolutely horrendous.

It's sad to say but it looks as if we're going to be on a sharp decline, which is unfortunate due to all the time spent here.

They have a right to make whatever rules they want since they do own the property. I don't exactly have a problem with any of the rules, but I do have a problem with how things have been headed lately, specifically the support.

I'd be tempted to start an additional forum but I've been there and done that and the time involved is more than I'd want to put in right now. Perfect opportunity for someone to benefit from the WF decline.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

I'd be tempted to start an additional forum but I've been there and done that and the time involved is more than I'd want to put in right now. Perfect opportunity for someone to benefit from the WF decline.

Indeed. I get between 5 and 10 private messages per day suggesting it.

(Have no plans to do so, though! But you could?!)

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iAmNameLess 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Indeed. I get between 5 and 10 private messages per day suggesting it.

(Have no plans to do so, though! But you could?!)

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It's something that should seriously be considered. Huge opportunity for sure, I was just hoping someone else would hop into it, like you lol.
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magdag4321

9 years ago

when you say illegal to link to the warrior forum...under whose law?

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WD Mino

9 years ago

It is in the new rules and terms.

Basically that gives them license to go after people if they break their terms as I understand it, though I am no lawyer

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magdag4321

9 years ago

i dont plan to break any TOS, but in a practical sense,,, as far as i can see, i could break 90% of the TOS without even being a WF member, so it doesn't make sense.

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WD Mino

9 years ago

Yeah, it seems rather stretched out. How can they be enforced? I don't know the answer I just know if changes are made we should be abreast of them.

Linking to the forum puts all sorts of sites at risk, like Google who has all the pages indexed
Sites that are directly opposing the wf, with links to posts they are speaking of. there is a lot of sites that link to it, people send emails . etc.
That is just one of the many changes made apparently.

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magdag4321

9 years ago

for example....

engaging in unauthorized framing of or linking to the Website
More fun ......."I can do this without being a wf member"

You cannot write posts with an "excessive" amount of CAPITAL LETTERS.....cant do this as you must be a member.

You cannot use anything on the forum to "contact" any user, unless they first explicitly consent....."You can contact wf members without being a member although i wont reveal such info"

You cannot access the forum via a proxy....you can do this without being a member

You cannot use the forum as part of any effort to compete with Warrior Forum. Sorry W+ and JVZoo, and their affiliates......"lots of people do this off forum, even put warrior forum in their domain names to either ridicule, promote, or get some gain off warrior forum's traffic".

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magdag4321

9 years ago

And if you finally decide to go after the individual....example, not in USA, how are you certain your TOS is not against their laws in the specific country?

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