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Quite some time ago I was looking at using Instabuilder to create landing/squeeze pages. I found recommendations for it that are as recent as December 2014. I went to the Instabuilder website and it says that it's no longer being sold due to 2.0 being created. From what I had previously read 2.0 was already created.

It seems odd to me that a person/company is going to shut down sales of a product just so that they can start working on a newer version. Any other suggestions?

I'm looking for a self-hosted solution. I'd prefer a one-time fee. Granted, I have no issue with a nominal yearly fee (i.e. for renewal). I'm not a fan of the solutions that require a monthly fee. I think it's ridiculous to pay $25+/month for a page creator. I'm currently using WordPress to create my sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    Yeah, they did a final update to Instabuilder 1.0 and released 2.0. An alternative you may be interested in is Profit Builder.

    WP Profit Builder (not an affiliate link)

    Cheers

    -don
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    • Profile picture of the author gatorjack
      Thanks for the suggestion. I'll look over that one. I just installed Shortcodes Ultimate (the free version). The main thing I'm looking for is having access to the interesting formatting (e.g. headlines) and graphics that was available in Instabuilder.
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  • Profile picture of the author vikash_kumar
    I think...Go for the best...OptimizePress...But Yes! That's not fall under your requirement of one time fee...
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by vikash_kumar View Post

      I think...Go for the best...OptimizePress...But Yes! That's not fall under your requirement of one time fee...
      Normally, I would agree... But when they released Optimize Press 2.0 it was really, really 'buggy' and was nowhere near as good as the original Optimize Press. I bought it to build a membership site, and it was useless!!!

      *They may have fixed it since I purchased OP 2.0 back in Feb 2014...I dunno, as it frustrated me so bad... I actually decided to scrap my membership project, and went out and started an offline business almost a year ago.

      Truth be told, the only reason I didn't get a refund was because I recieved an instant savings of $80 by another warrior... And didn't want the hassle of having to reinburse thier commissioned sale.

      I've heard Lead Pages was perty good...but have yet to purchase.
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      • Profile picture of the author gatorjack
        Originally Posted by art72 View Post

        Normally, I would agree... But when they released Optimize Press 2.0 it was really, really 'buggy' and was nowhere near as good as the original Optimize Press. I bought it to build a membership site, and it was useless!!!
        What exactly were the bugs that made it useless to create a membership site with? I've heard that the shortcodes from the plugin don't always play well with every theme. Basically the consensus was that if one uses the OP theme then everything works fine. That's my only major concern. I create my own themes using TemplateToaster. I would hate to invest the time and money in the OP plugin and it be very buggy.

        While I try to go as cost-effective as possible, I don't mind paying for something that will do all that I need it to do. I rather pay a little more to get the job done than spend hours or days searching for various software to accomplish my tasks.
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        • Profile picture of the author art72
          Originally Posted by gatorjack View Post

          What exactly were the bugs that made it useless to create a membership site with? I've heard that the shortcodes from the plugin don't always play well with every theme. Basically the consensus was that if one uses the OP theme then everything works fine. That's my only major concern. I create my own themes using TemplateToaster. I would hate to invest the time and money in the OP plugin and it be very buggy.

          While I try to go as cost-effective as possible, I don't mind paying for something that will do all that I need it to do. I rather pay a little more to get the job done than spend hours or days search&ing for various software to accomplish my tasks.
          Well first off I was so 'fired up' and anxious for the OP 2.0 release that perhaps my expectations were based on the ease of use the original software offered regarding squeeze pages, as that was why I bought the original Optimize Press theme. And it was pretty straight forward and easy to use.

          The bugs I experienced in the membership plugin (which may have been determined a theme issue) were many freezes, loss of design (after hours spent laying everything out) and complete blocks that would not open or allow me to save my progress.

          Mind you, I am no pro web designer, but all the hype was based on flexibility, ease of use, cost efficient, etc... I was sold on the belief it was 'better' than the original version ( which simply put kicked ass). In my opinion/experience 2.0 sucked compared to the original and upon release had way to many problems that should've been resolved beforehand... Not after loyal customers purchased with high hopes.

          Again, I had an opportunity to make some money offline, and that purchase influenced my decision greatly... So they may have fixed alot of the problems.

          If you use the search function here, and look at all the initial problems people were having, you may be better able to determine what has been fixed and see what was said upon its initial release by many warriors.

          Id just make sure current users are satisfied, and me for one thought paying 3x as much for the 2.0 version was nothing short of a product being released (at that time) that really was not ready to be released in its original state.
          Also, not sure if there are any warriors offering 'instant rebates' anymore, but the fact I saved $83 was the only reason I even kept the product.

          I suggest reading a few of the older threads and determine if it's been corrected...if not I wouldnt buy it. No offense to James and his success with the original Optimize Press.
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  • Profile picture of the author nizamkhan
    You can check out landingpagemonkey.com

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  • Profile picture of the author LifeIsGood
    The mystery continues.
    Looking for update on this, myself.

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    • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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      Originally Posted by LifeIsGood View Post

      The mystery continues.
      Looking for update on this, myself.
      What mystery? Instabuilder 1.0 received it's final update and won't be updated again. Instabuilder 2.0 was released not long ago and for now is closed to the public while they make soma changes and/or additions.

      If you want to be contacted when Instabuilder reopens then I would suggest filling out the form here:

      InstaBuilder - Mobile-Ready Landing Pages in Minutes

      Cheers

      -don
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      • Profile picture of the author gatorjack
        I filled out the form a couple of weeks ago. I just found it odd that sales of a product are temporarily discontinued not long after a new version comes out just so they can make more updates.

        Main reason for post was for alternatives. I have things I'd like to get done. Unfortunately, I don't have time to wait on Instabuilder to one day decide to start selling again. No ETA or anything on their site as to what's being done or when they'll be finished.
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        • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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          Originally Posted by gatorjack View Post

          I filled out the form a couple of weeks ago. I just found it odd that sales of a product are temporarily discontinued not long after a new version comes out just so they can make more updates.

          Main reason for post was for alternatives. I have things I'd like to get done. Unfortunately, I don't have time to wait on Instabuilder to one day decide to start selling again. No ETA or anything on their site as to what's being done or when they'll be finished.
          I bought Instabuilder 1.0 the day it launched back in 2012 and it was last updated just a couple of months ago. Instabuilder 2.0 is a much different animal altogether, and I can understand why they just recently launched it as a new product. I wish they would not have discontinued future updates to 1.0.

          Some companies and vendors will close a product after a huge initial launch so that they can keep up with questions, support requests, bugs with certain installations, requested upgrades etc. I don't fault them for that if that is what they are doing.

          That said, I did not buy 2.0 because I did not like the upgrade price plus the OTO upgrade costs when compared to Profit Builder, as I had already purchased Profit Builder. It's a good upgrade from Instabuilder 1.0, and it was released prior to Instabuilder 2.0, so I didn't not really *need* both systems.

          IMO Profit Builder is a decent alternative to Instabuilder 2.0, at a reasonable price, and you can purchase it now with no monthly fees. I think at launch I may have received "lifetime" updates for free, but might want to check with them to see how long they will provide free updates. FWIW, they do have a 60 day money back guarantee available.

          Cheers

          -don
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          • Profile picture of the author gatorjack
            I just looked over it and it looks quite promising. I'm deciding between ProfitBuilder and OptimizePress. I read on the ProfitBuilder site that you can create membership portals. Do you have much experience in the ProfitBuilder with membership sites?

            My goal is to sell items via JVZoo, which I've noticed ProfitBuilder has integration for. When a person purchases a product I want them to also have access to certain content (i.e. pages) on my site. The ability to give access to content via purchases is one of the reasons I was considering OptimizePress.

            It seems, though, that ProfitBuilder is about $50 or so cheaper than OptimizePress.
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            • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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              Originally Posted by gatorjack View Post

              I just looked over it and it looks quite promising. I'm deciding between ProfitBuilder and OptimizePress. I read on the ProfitBuilder site that you can create membership portals. Do you have much experience in the ProfitBuilder with membership sites?
              Nope. I use Profit Builder (and others) to build pages and I deliver most of my products with DLGuard.

              DLGuard - Download page protector, create expiring download links (not an affiliate link)

              Cheers

              -don
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        • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
          Instabuilder was supposed to be back by the end of January.

          If you are in the market for a good one go with the industry standard OptimizePress. One that blew me away was Thrive Content Builder if you ask me that was the Best Product of the Year for 2014.

          If you are really on a budget shoot for Profits Theme that way you can create a membership site as well.

          Why do product creators shut down their whole product line for months at a time? I still haven't figured that one out lolol, just look on it as being an advantage if you are a competitor because it seems to be a trend in international business.
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  • Profile picture of the author gatorjack
    Don't believe I'll be going with WP Profit Builder. I emailed them about how the membership functionality works with Profit Builder. I received the following response:

    You will need a membership plugin to protect your content, we use, and recommend wishlist member and is currently what runs our Profit Builder members area...although any integration with wishlist you will need to contact their support if you encounter any issues with their plugin. Our support techs can try to isolate an issue for you after you have followed the trouble shooting techniques on our support center homepage and then supply us with "all the information" we need to assist but if it's strictly a membership plugin issue you will need to contact their support...

    Thank you for your kind reply, you are greatly appreciated... Linda-Lou
    IMSC Support


    I find it a bit deceptive that they list the WP Profit Builder as being able to create "Membership Portals" when in reality you need to install a completely separate software just to handle that function. To me, if you're going to list a feature of your software then it should either be able to perform said function of the box or at least let people know up front that you need to purchase an addon or such.

    Additional Notes:

    I tried replying to the email. Unfortunately they have done a very poor job at setting up their helpdesk (Kayako). Received a mailer daemon error. I got the error message of:

    This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

    A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients.

    This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: pipe to |/home/imsc/www/customercare/console/index.php generated by support@imsuccesscenter.com


    I found this odd considering that when it creates your account it says that when replying to keep the ticket ID in the subject. Personally, when I setup a helpdesk I don't enable piping. However, I always have a message at the bottom of each email warning the user that any replies sent will not be read. I inform them to go to the helpdesk (and provide the URL to it) if they wish to respond.

    It seems they wanted piping but unfortunately didn't properly set it up on their server side with Kayako.
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    • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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      Originally Posted by gatorjack View Post

      Don't believe I'll be going with WP Profit Builder. I emailed them about how the membership functionality works with Profit Builder. I received the following response:



      I find it a bit deceptive that they list the WP Profit Builder as being able to create "Membership Portals" when in reality you need to install a completely separate software just to handle that function. To me, if you're going to list a feature of your software then it should either be able to perform said function of the box or at least let people know up front that you need to purchase an addon or such.

      Additional Notes:

      I tried replying to the email. Unfortunately they have done a very poor job at setting up their helpdesk (Kayako). Received a mailer daemon error. I got the error message of:



      I found this odd considering that when it creates your account it says that when replying to keep the ticket ID in the subject. Personally, when I setup a helpdesk I don't enable piping. However, I always have a message at the bottom of each email warning the user that any replies sent will not be read. I inform them to go to the helpdesk (and provide the URL to it) if they wish to respond.

      It seems they wanted piping but unfortunately didn't properly set it up on their server side with Kayako.
      I don't think they tried duping anybody into thinking Profit Builder is a membership site creator plugin. They never stated the software builds membership sites, far from it. If you had watched the demo videos, review videos, the public webinar videos, or Han Fan's 1 hour long interview with Sean Donahoe you will see Profit Builder is a sophisticate page builder with a ton of built in templates --> and membership page templates are included with the software. The sales page is pretty clear in explaining that you are buying a page builder.

      You can see the page builder template selection menu here:



      This video will show you most of the templates including the "membership portal" page templates at the 13 minute mark.


      I think they sold at least 15,000 copies of the plugin with about a 5% refund rate so they have plenty of satisfied users in the system. This thread is starting to get pretty reviewish --> you can find a 250+ post Profit Builder review thread here:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...t-builder.html

      In the beginning of the thread some are ragging on Sean, or are a little hesitant, but later in the the thread the mood clearly shifts.

      Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

      Actually, when 5 months from now comes, support will be really good and Profit Builder will be close to perfect. That is Sean's typical time-frame for getting everything rock solid. It would be nice if he could get in the habit of doing it faster, but that's how things are with him.

      It's a great product. His best. I've been using it so much recently in fact that I deleted Optimize Press so I could use Profit Builder on those domains instead.

      And now I have the opinion that not only is it better than OP2, but it is better than Thrive Themes as well. I can get things done with Profit Builder that would take much longer with the others, and the end look and result is just awesome with PB...very high impact.

      Nothing else like it. Product Of The Year, imo.

      (And if you look at my earlier posts, I was hesitant to buy it, ragged on Sean Donahoe quite a bit, and had a much lower opinion of this - but when proven wrong, I'll admit it, and I do admit being wrong about this product initially.)
      http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post9608034

      Best of luck!

      -don
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      • Profile picture of the author gatorjack
        I know this is almost a year later, but I did want to give an update. I ended up going with Instabuilder. I don't remember exactly when, but not long after my post it became available for purchase. I ended up purchasing both Instabuilder and Instamember. While one of my goals was membership sites, I also wanted something that could handle software registration, which Instamember does. Along the lines of membership plugins, I discovered only a month or so ago one called SwiftMember. Seems like a pretty decent plugin. I had gotten access to SwiftMember via a package deal from another IMer.

        ForumGuru, I will have to respectfully disagree on the deceptive part. You posted the videos. My thing is this... When I'm searching for a solution for my problem, I skim through information and find what I'm looking for in order to save me time. I don't have time to watch hour-long videos for every product I'm considering purchasing.

        On that note, this is where sales copy comes in. When I see terms such as:

        The Answer is Simple... With It's HUGE Library of 60+ Pre-Done Opt-In Pages, Sales Pages, Membership Pages, Webinar Pages and the Ability to Transform ANY Site into a High-Converting Profit Center, It's the #1 Choice for Smart Marketers
        and

        Build ANY Type of Marketing Page In a Few Clicks...
        which under that list is "Membership Portals", I'm lead to believe it has an out of the box function of being able to handle memberships. Granted, further on the sales page it mentions that it has integration capabilities with other "membership systems."

        Given the aforementioned statement, I would take that as it being able to integrate with other membership plugins or systems, not that it required said additional membership system. Had they outright stated on the sales page (i.e. in the sales copy) that the membership portal or related function required a membership software, then I wouldn't have had any issue with the sales copy.

        I will admit that they were not completely deceptive as they did not lie or attempt to deceive me when I had emailed them in regards to the functionality of their software.
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