Comeback To IM After 6 Years. It's harder.

by Foodre
23 replies
So I'm back in the IM game.

6 years ago, I was a 16 year-old looking into the hype of whether you can make any money online. Many lurks of the Warrior Forum later, an autoresponder and a squeeze page later, and I had made $100 US during high school. Not too bad for a kid doing something on the side.

But my methods were never really sustainable. It involved some articles, some e-mail marketing, and bombarding my <50 list with affiliate links.

In 2009, you could write any crap and someone would probably buy. I put in a lot of work for that $100 dollars, and making money not being a priority, I took a break.

In 2011, I finished school. I tried pulling the same stuff. Didn't work. Didn't make a cent. Not one. Less opens, less engagement, less hops, no sales.

In 2013, I thought I had it figured out. I made my own info product. An e-book. With some haphazard, poorly thought out marketing and some low-quality promotion, I didn't make a cent.

You see, in those four years, the marketing world has changed so much. Everyone is being bombarded with sales letters and affiliate links, constantly. We (myself included) see an info product sales page and roll our eyes. The public sees through all the tactics... we're looking for money and providing junk as a bargaining chip. And they're not buying it.

The game has changed. So much.

Anything could rank on Google with the right keyword in the past. Now your new site is stuck in nowhere-land with no search referrals. E-mail opens are lower. There's so much black hat and spam and outspending on PPC that in some niches, you're lucky just to get a pageview.

But the fundamentals are the same. Add value, and people will come. Create quality content, and people will come.

And with all the noise, there's also more opportunities. People make a full time living on Youtube, teenagers do. If you create something truly amazing, sites like Reddit could turn you into a 6-figure business overnight.

So why am I saying all this?

Because realizing all of this broke my 6-year IM drought.

As of today I've made $25.93 this year in IM. (Now it's nothing to brag about. I'm sure many of you have made that amount while you read this post.)

What did I do? I found a super specific niche. I created valuable content. I promoted through everything, every damn slightly related site I could think of.

And after a massive grind, I made that first sale. After years of missing it, it was great to have that feeling come back again.

Now most people don't even get to that first cent. And when you make that first sale, it's like a drug. It's like you beat some system, and made something for yourself. It doesn't matter how much you made, it's the joy of intrinsically being an entrepreneur.

If you want to make money easily, find a job. Somewhere is hiring. It's honestly easier to swallow your pride and work for a stable(r than IM) job. I will probably make a lot more money in my life from jobs than IM.

But if you want to do IM, don't have any illusions about it. It's hard. It's most likely going to be a lot more work for a lot less return, so you should really think about your motivation behind being an internet marketer.

And if you've been trying for a long time and getting no results, something sucks. It's probably your strategy. You have to really look at the value you're making, and whether what you're doing can really be turned into cold hard cash.

But you know what the best feeling is? Getting over that 6 year drought and getting a solid sale. Now my thing might not take off. But I've got momentum now, and I know I can do this. And that will be the driving force behind whatever I end up achieving in IM.

I wrote this post because even though I've got a long way to go on this journey, I still see the same crap being posted as I saw 6 years ago. And a lot of the crap being posted back then barely worked too. It's 2015. The competition is higher. The game has changed. Every 'conventional' method of getting leads goes via a very crowded marketplace. Don't blindly follow everything you read.

On that note, thanks for reading.
#comeback #harder #years
  • Profile picture of the author joaquin112
    If you can't make it in IM there's no reason to discourage others from trying. Your post is a load of unhelpful bullshit because you lost focus along the way. If you had focused those six years on a single business instead of jumping from one job to another and one method to another, you'd probably be selling a 7-figure business today. And there are A LOT more opportunities today than there were five or six years ago. It's also easier for anyone to start. If you have the right mindset and the right skills, you'll find that competition is still pretty weak in most niches.
    Signature

    Publish your digital course at Accomplisher.com. We create the video sales letter, drive affiliate traffic and split the profits with you. If you want to start making money by teaching online, submit your application here.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9865260].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Foodre
      Originally Posted by joaquin112 View Post

      If you can't make it in IM there's no reason to discourage others from trying. Your post is a load of unhelpful bullshit because you lost focus along the way. If you had focused those six years on a single business instead of jumping from one job to another and one method to another, you'd probably be selling a 7-figure business today. And there are A LOT more opportunities today than there were five or six years ago. It's also easier for anyone to start. If you have the right mindset and the right skills, you'll find that competition is still pretty weak in most niches.
      Thanks for the response. I'm trying to be provocative because I do believe there's a lot of unhelpful information being dispersed to internet marketers generally.

      The truth is there's a lot of people working hard with the wrong strategy who aren't seeing the returns they want because these sorts of forums have been dispensing out the same things for the last 6 years.

      The fact is most people aren't making a cent in IM because they've got the wrong strategy. And there are some people who aren't getting the returns that they want and would be better off working a job. You might not benefit from what I wrote but I'm sure some people will. The truth is, most people don't succeed and it's a very sugar coated truth. Not everyone can be a millionaire. It's a cold hard truth.

      I think this will generate some good discussion. Next!
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9865275].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Peter Lee
        Just take stock of the situation and don't lose hope. Find what business you need to get into. Then give it your undivided attention and focus. Don't get caught up with the shiny object syndrome again and you will see that there is light at the end of the tunnel.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9865283].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
        Banned
        Originally Posted by Foodre View Post

        I wrote this post because even though I've got a long way to go on this journey, I still see the same crap being posted as I saw 6 years ago. And a lot of the crap being posted back then barely worked too.
        Originally Posted by Foodre View Post

        I do believe there's a lot of unhelpful information being dispersed to internet marketers generally.
        I agree unreservedly.

        I think one of the hardest things for many aspiring marketers to do is to develop enough judgment to be able to tell by whom they should be guided.

        In an activity in which the failure-rate is so high, and in which so many beginners make the classic mistake of setting out by trying to teach instead of to learn (i.e. they very unwisely choose IM-related and/or MMO-related niches as their very first!), it follows, unfortunately, that a lot of the available "information" is going to be grotesquely misguided. The "consensus of opinion" is therefore always quite likely to be a mistaken one.

        .
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9865545].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by joaquin112 View Post

      If you can't make it in IM there's no reason to discourage others from trying. Your post is a load of unhelpful bullshit because you lost focus along the way. If you had focused those six years on a single business instead of jumping from one job to another and one method to another, you'd probably be selling a 7-figure business today. And there are A LOT more opportunities today than there were five or six years ago. It's also easier for anyone to start. If you have the right mindset and the right skills, you'll find that competition is still pretty weak in most niches.
      You obviously misunderstood the message he was trying to get across, maybe you should read it again because now you look like the ASS!
      And at least he is bringing a fresh perspective, not the same crap we see everyday about "oh, never give up - it's the mindset - making money online is easy - money is in the list - ja da ja da jada
      Signature
      Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

      ― George Carlin
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9865732].message }}
  • Foodre,

    Thanks for saying it as it is. I'm sure others here'd realize from your OP that if there's one thing that anyone'd need to figure out before starting any business (or anything where you invest fiscal and non-fiscal resources in so as to generate income), then it's -- SUSTAINABILITY...

    Stability should be your foundation, not your goal. Sustainable growth and expansion should be the objective here. That means starting any income-generating venture from the ground up, and running it from the top down...
    Signature
    • Deep Learning & Machine Vision Engineer: ARIA Research (Sydney, AU)
    • Founder: Grayscale (Manila, PH) & SEO Campaign Manager: Kiteworks, Inc. (SF, US)
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9865308].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Richard Batt
    Banned
    The one thing I agree with is simply that if you want a stable way of making money then you should get a job. A lot of new businesses don't make money and within a year whether online or offline, it's a risk/reward thing - having a job is low risk and low reward, setting a business up can be high risk and high reward.

    The one thing that your post makes very clear is the importance of having a plan, a structure and a lot of discipline when you try to start any kind of business - whether online or not. If you start off your business with no plan and then give up you aren't going to make enough money to be successful.

    Well done with what you've achieved so far this year and I hope your success continues.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9865555].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author skyro
    IM can work for you. You just have to work more on the quality instead of quantity. Like you say you cant just load your email list up with a bunch of crap and expect them to respond to you. They prob on 100 other marketers mailing list doing the same thing. But if you do the research do the surverys ask the questions find out where they need helpm give them the help they need they will respond better to you.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9865795].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author davidbowie
    I agree with OP that yes, there is a lot of misinformation out there but that has always been the case even 15 years ago. And it does not help to see the reviews on some of the forums how the praise is being passed around how this product is straight from God! (Forgive me God) I`ve learned long ago not to trust such rubble without searching for an independent review and even then, I`m still skeptical.

    I do own my products that I sell and do fairly well. Recently, I decided to add an affiliate product to promote to my list and so far I have not found one that I feel comfortable with.

    You say you started IM at 16 years of age which makes you 22? I once saw a post on here in 2006 asking the question " What If The Internet Went Dark"? My point is I have a Granddaughter your age, actually she is 20 and she works for Immigration Naturalization Services and will have her BA next year as her backup plan.

    I`m hoping you are in college getting a degree in something.
    Signature
    I`m just here for the food!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9865837].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Internet marketing still works and will work for many more years.

    Sure there are some things that don't work as well as they worked a few years ago. For example, if someone on my team came to me and asked me if he/she should focus on article marketing in the work at home niche I would tell them NO. Too much competition with that and it's pretty much useless.

    If they would ask me what kind of marketing they should focus on, I would tell them to focus on PAY PER CLICK ads. This still works for many and it gets faster and better results then all of the paid and free marketing techniques out there.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9865838].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author MarkAse
    I'd say it depends on the niche, at least largely. I know at least a couple of people who targeted high end hotel discounts and did well for quite some time....until that Google hotel search came into play and destroyed them.

    There's still plenty of space, but more people playing, so I would agree your game has to be better-
    Signature

    My current project, the Uncorked Ventures Wine Club. More coming soon, here.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9865886].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    When I was new, I never came here to this forum to read posts on what people recommended new marketers to do.

    I bought a $97 ebook and began to 'advertise' on Google Adwords being completely green behind the ears.

    Did that make me an 'overnight' success?

    No. I managed to make some sales but not to the 'extent' that I wanted.

    Is it harder now to make money than 6 years ago?

    I don't think so. That's just another excuse that someone can keep telling themselves to not take enough action.

    It's never going to get harder or easier.

    You will never get all the information that you need to become successful in IM from one place. You will get success by taking 'consistent' action and to keep going even while you make mistakes.

    Mistakes are how we learn.

    Mindset is important.

    If your mindset is telling you that you can't get something then guess what?

    You won't.

    You can not use a 'mindset' that does not serve you.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9865978].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author TheProductReviewGuy
    Banned
    The reason you're failing is that you give up too quickly. You feel that just because you made $25 this time around, that you won't be able to scale up and make more money. There's no point discouraging others with this post. If it doesn't work for you, so be it. There's always a real job that you can do like McDonald or you can study at Uni.

    I have to admit, IM is not for everyone. If you lack the willpower to course through the hard times, IM is not going to work for you. If you are afraid of failure and losing a couple of dollars, IM is not for you.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9866053].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      If you want to make money easily, find a job. Somewhere is hiring. It's honestly easier to swallow your pride and work for a stable(r than IM) job. I will probably make a lot more money in my life from jobs than IM.

      But if you want to do IM, don't have any illusions about it. It's hard. It's most likely going to be a lot more work for a lot less return, so you should really think about your motivation behind being an internet marketer.

      And if you've been trying for a long time and getting no results, something sucks. It's probably your strategy. You have to really look at the value you're making, and whether what you're doing can really be turned into cold hard cash.
      I've noticed a return to nonsense and delusions in posts here recently. A lot of "fake it till you make it" going on and people who believe shiny objects really are gold.

      That said - part of the problem the OP has is the age and attitude. Sure you could make a few bucks 6 years ago - you didn't know any better. You weren't worried much about ethical practices or about longevity of income. YOu were 16 and wanted some money.

      But also - chances are you had a support system. You were not concerned about where your next meal was coming from or whether you would have a roof to sleep under. When you become responsible for your own life - many things you take on new meaning.

      You are smart to recognize some things have changed - but the biggest change is probably your own attitude and mindset. What you want now is to build a sustainable income - not get some money to go out tonight.

      You are absolutely right about crap being posted - and I think it's worse here than it's ever been. There 'self annointed experts' and "here's my advice that I read somewhere else" going on it's hard to sort through it some days.

      I think your experience as a 16 year old will be invaluable. You may find you have a sharp BS radar developed back then - and that's what you need these days.

      You may find there are MORE real opportunities now - takes a somewhat different approach but I believe you'll do fine.

      kay
      Signature
      Saving one dog will not change the world - but the world changes forever for that one dog
      ***
      Dear April: I don't want any trouble from you.
      January was long, February was iffy, March was a freaking dumpster fire.
      So sit down, be quiet, and don't touch anything.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9866077].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author hatchcrane
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        You are absolutely right about crap being posted - and I think it's worse here than it's ever been. There 'self annointed experts' and "here's my advice that I read somewhere else" going on it's hard to sort through it some days.
        kay
        The "crap" here is worse because there's MORE of it. There's always been crap posted here, (at least since I've been here)... The thing that you have to realize is that MONEY is the driving force behind this forum. The forum was started with the intention of making it's creators MONEY - and I would guess that it (the forum), makes LOTS of money - and they make LOTS of money from people offering lots of "crap".

        But, even so... you can still find useful information here. There are even many folks here that will help - without expecting anything in return.

        Someone prior to my post said that a "job" was "low risk with low reward". I was fortunate enough to have a job I LOVED for 42 years and I actually EARNED a few million dollars at it. My point is; Your occupation is what you make of it.

        The same goes for your own business. If you run it like it's a hobby that's going to make you rich in a few weeks you're likely not going to succeed.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9866361].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Richard Batt
          Banned
          Originally Posted by hatchcrane View Post

          Someone prior to my post said that a "job" was "low risk with low reward". I was fortunate enough to have a job I LOVED for 42 years and I actually EARNED a few million dollars at it. My point is; Your occupation is what you make of it.
          A job is low risk and low reward. I worked full time for 9 years and I loved what I did - I'm not knocking people who choose to work, but realistically when it comes to making money you're limited to the amount of hours you can work in a day and what your boss will choose to pay you. If you were to compare what the top earning people earn from working in a job with the top earning people who run their own business and there's no doubt that a job is definitely low reward when it comes to money.

          For me, the best thing about a job is the skills you can learn, a regular guaranteed paycheck and the social side of things. If I was to go back to working for someone else those are the things that I'd be looking for rather than the amount I can earn.

          The problem that I've noticed is that a lot of people do run their business like a hobby on here and that is why most don't succeed. Something I'd recommend everyone who wants to run a business do is read the book Great by Choice by Jim Collins, the information there is the most valuable information you'll ever get in terms of running a long term successful business.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9866501].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author salegurus
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I've noticed a return to nonsense and delusions in posts here recently. A lot of "fake it till you make it" going on and people who believe shiny objects really are gold.

        kay

        Can't agree more, Just look at the 2 posts above yours post #15...
        I don't know if it's because they are so desperate to make it that they have to reassure themselves any anyone willing to listen. They keep pushing the message that IM is only for the brave and working at a "real" job is for loosers ... They repeat the same old BS day in and day out...

        These are not people who live in the real world, there is a place for dreams but not when you are trying to provide for yourself or your family...
        Yeah the misinformation, lies and plain stupidity is rife in these IM forums...
        Signature
        Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

        ― George Carlin
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9866459].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Foodre
    Thanks for the responses, everyone. It's amazing how one post on IM can generate such a diverse range of views in replies. For anyone having a long-term stay in IM 'Struggletown' (I call this the place where you're taking a lot of action with little / no results), this is a good lesson in taking any one piece of advice with a grain of salt.

    Nothing that anyone's said is wrong. But if people in this thread can succeed with differing views on IM / mindset, then there has to be something more to IM than merely mindset.

    I should probably clarify a few things:
    -I'm not trying to discourage people. I'm trying to get people to realise what they're getting themselves into. It's hard. If it was easy every WSO testimonial would say "Wow! I made $2,000 overnight with this method" vs "This book contains some very valuable information and was very easy to read! I have started implementing it and it's (kind of?) working".

    You might have found your 'method' and it may seem easy, but I think the most discouraging thing is giving people unrealistic expectations. I'd like to see more IM products saying 'it's freakin' hard, but here's how I worked my ass off and made something that sells really good!'

    -This was a very IM specific post, and I believe one that was provocative to generate some discussion. To question many of the 'norms' being thrown around as advice. Now some will of course, believe that I have failed in x, or haven't done enough of y. But I also didn't mention any other areas of my life, because I wanted this to be IM specific. That's not to say I haven't had success in other areas of my life, including financially. Let's just remember that there's more to life than IM.

    Yes, it's an IM forum and we're hyperfocused on getting the most out of our online businesses. But it's very interesting to see the 'cold reads' about me that have been made from essentially, two posts. Yes, in hindsight, I could have put more time into IM. But that means I would have put less time into things that I find very fulfilling and meaningful in my life today.

    So I would say to anyone who's in a similar boat to me to take any advice on these forums (myself included) with a grain of salt, but also to try and find the value in what everyone is saying, even if you disagree with them. Thanks for reading!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9866240].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Nothing that anyone's said is wrong. But if people in this thread can succeed with differing views on IM / mindset, then there has to be something more to IM than merely mindset.
      Can people offline succeed with different models?

      Can people succeed in life with different jobs than others have?

      Anyone who thinks "IM is only a mindset" is a fool. It's planning and strategy - knowing your own strengths and weaknesses - spending time and money wisely - and hours of work- much of which isn't "fun stuff" but important details.

      I think at 16 IM should be something you "play with" - while you start moving toward your adult life.

      I'm trying to be provocative because I do believe there's a lot of unhelpful information being dispersed to internet marketers generally.
      Ya think? Of course there is and that's no different than any other business model you might try.

      IM is like many other businesses where the entry level requirements are low and the potential profits are high - big schools of lemmings and a lot of sharks.
      Signature
      Saving one dog will not change the world - but the world changes forever for that one dog
      ***
      Dear April: I don't want any trouble from you.
      January was long, February was iffy, March was a freaking dumpster fire.
      So sit down, be quiet, and don't touch anything.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9866331].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    • I agree that it was easier for newbies to make money online 6 years ago. It is still possible but one of the problems is that the marketers to newbies have gotten better at selling the dream without actually teaching them what actually works.
    • I also agree that almost all of the free marketing methods that worked years ago are obsolete or not worth the time it takes to implement them. That doesn't mean there aren't any new methods to replace or improve upon them.
    • I agree that there is more competition in almost every niche. That is not a totally negative thing.
    • I agree that there is more misinformation and self appointed "experts" then ever before. Even on this forum it is a common thing to read posts that all you have to do is sound like an expert and people will believe you.
    • I agree that profitable and sustainable IM is a hard and very focused work.

    Good for you that you recognize some of the current pitfalls and are determined to work around them. To build an honest and sustainable business model you need to be prepared and alert to adapt. Here on the forum there are some very successful, experienced and helpful members. That used to be the majority but in the last few years it has become the minority. You should listen to few and follow even fewer.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9866391].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Richard Batt
    Banned
    There are people earning multiple millions a year, but how many are earning what Richard Branson or Mark Zuckerberg are earning? They aren't even in the top 10 richest people in the world either!

    I'm not knocking working for a wage but you are still limited in a standard job by what a company is willing to pay you and the number of hours you can work in a day.

    The discussion of day job vs business isn't really all that relevant - it depends what's important to you. For most people a guaranteed wage each month is the most important thing and running your own business can never provide that.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9866539].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author hatchcrane
      Originally Posted by Richard Batt View Post

      There are people earning multiple millions a year, but how many are earning what Richard Branson or Mark Zuckerberg are earning? They aren't even in the top 10 richest people in the world either!

      I'm not knocking working for a wage but you are still limited in a standard job by what a company is willing to pay you and the number of hours you can work in a day.

      The discussion of day job vs business isn't really all that relevant - it depends what's important to you. For most people a guaranteed wage each month is the most important thing and running your own business can never provide that.
      There are NO guarantees in life period Richard. And what you said about "it depends on what's important to you" is really, really true. I guess that was really my point too. Some jobs are just MORE than a "job". For me, when I worked - I had a team... It was MY team and I was part of it. We did incredible things - but most of the things we did only "we" appreciated, lol. Our accomplishments were expected - that's why we made the big bucks. Maybe I'm just being nostalgic cause I miss my job. They're doing all those incredible things without me there to lead them now... imagine that?

      By the way Kay - I like your sig. Since I've retired I've finally got my very own dog - we're inseparable!
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9866556].message }}

Trending Topics