If you were to pick 1 WSO / Coach who would it be?

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If money wasn't an issue, who would be the 1 wso / coach you would pick to learn from?
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  • Profile picture of the author Teravel
    If money wasn't an issue, why would I be spending it to learn how to make more?

    Honestly, if you don't know where to begin, you shouldn't be spending money. Instead, you should be researching to learn the basics, then expand on the topics you struggle with.

    I highly recommend the 100% Free WSO called "The Search Feature". There's one in every main forum, one on the main forum bar that searches all the forums, and you can even do advanced searches to find specific words, phrases, or even people!
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    • Profile picture of the author microscopes
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      • Profile picture of the author heavysm
        Non-WF coach who does a lot of general business coaching is Rich Schefren.

        Some of my borderline 4 - 5 figure monthly friends sought out his coaching and now do roughly $20 - 50k monthly. These guys do all sorts of things, various markets and industries.

        Rich's coaching works at a higher level to get you outsourcing more, to be more efficient with your daily activities, while also breaking down barriers of discomfort that currently hold you back.

        We're talking like $10 - 20k coaching cost though, so this is nothing to take lightly (unless you do group coaching which is I think $5 - 10 grand on payment plan).
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I'm not a beginner. ...for a research article
          If money were no object - and I wanted to learn more about online work (I'm not a beginner either) - I wouldn't be hiring a coach here (on a forum) nor buying a WSO. I'd be hiring a big gun marketer.
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          • Profile picture of the author microscopes
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            If money were no object - and I wanted to learn more about online work (I'm not a beginner either) - I wouldn't be hiring a coach here (on a forum) nor buying a WSO. I'd be hiring a big gun marketer.
            I see you have 16k posts. Would you be interested in being featured in an article on Internet Marketing?
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              No, I wouldn't be interested.
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        • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
          Creating a thread like this isn't going to get you anywhere. You need to zero in on something specific.


          Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

          Non-WF coach who does a lot of general business coaching is Rich Schefren.

          Some of my borderline 4 - 5 figure monthly friends sought out his coaching and now do roughly $20 - 50k monthly.
          Perhaps he used his hypnosis centers to make them believe they are making $50k a month from his coaching.

          Look at that guy's About Me page. Says absolutely nothing about specific internet experience. And if you take it at face value, the way it is worded could lead one to believe that he has no actual experience online. It goes straight from talking about offline to talking about coaching internet marketers. It skips over how he became an authority figure in online business.
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          • Profile picture of the author heavysm
            Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

            Perhaps he used his hypnosis centers to make them believe they are making $50k a month from his coaching.

            Look at that guy's About Me page. Says absolutely nothing about specific internet experience. And if you take it at face value, the way it is worded could lead one to believe that he has no actual experience online. It goes straight from talking about offline to talking about coaching internet marketers. It skips over how he became an authority figure in online business.
            More drivel from you. Do you do anything besides troll threads?

            Not everyone is a goo-ruu wishing to steal your money and run. All of your posts reflect this cynicism and it makes me cringe seeing you in any thread.

            If you want to find out more about Rich dig a bit deeper and take off those rose colored glasses you have on. You have an extreme bias to think everyone who's made a dime online is a scam artist, and though there are obviously unscrupulous marketers out there, not everyone is out to get you.
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            • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
              Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

              If you want to find out more about Rich dig a bit deeper
              Why should anyone have to dig deeper? Why not just put it front and center?
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              • Profile picture of the author heavysm
                Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

                Why should anyone have to dig deeper? Why not just put it front and center if it exists?
                You're right. Don't dig deeper. Take everything for face value, especially if you're going to be investing large sums of cash for a coach.

                Connecting with these people on a personal level to see if they can really help you is a horrible idea. This means skype calls or meeting with them in person to explain your situation to see if they have the knowledge capable of pushing you to the next level...all bad ideas, right?

                /sarcasm

                I connected with him through facebook, and that's i how i learned about him. He takes referrals and you connect through skype to see where you're at, where you'd like to be, and he explains how he can help you. If not, he recommends resources or people who can help.

                @ Dub...just stop trying to find fault in people dude. Just because he doesn't have a dedicated page showing his coaching and why you should trust him doesn't mean he's illegitimate.

                In fact, I'd prefer finding him the way i did because it at least proves he provides real results to people I actually know (my friends from whom i received the referral). The social proof is there, I don't need to learn about him through an about page if i can talk to him directly.
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                • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
                  Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

                  You're right. Don't dig deeper. Take everything for face value, especially if you're going to be investing large sums of cash for a coach.
                  There is nothing to take at face value. He hasn't given us anything at all.

                  Let's look at this purely from a marketing standpoint. If you've accomplished X, Y and Z in internet marketing and you are selling internet marketing advice services, wouldn't it make sense to put X, Y and Z front and center? Wouldn't that be a marketing asset?

                  I'm not attacking this guy. It's moreso a case of gooroo names being dropped all over this forum without anyone ever saying what the gooroo ever did. And you can't find out on their pages because all they do is vaguely talk about how stupidly awesome they are. Things need to change. Bios need to be more specific. Buyers of this stuff need to demand it.
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          • Profile picture of the author ghost209
            Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

            Creating a thread like this isn't going to get you anywhere. You need to zero in on something specific.



            Perhaps he used his hypnosis centers to make them believe they are making $50k a month from his coaching.

            Look at that guy's About Me page. Says absolutely nothing about specific internet experience. And if you take it at face value, the way it is worded could lead one to believe that he has no actual experience online. It goes straight from talking about offline to talking about coaching internet marketers. It skips over how he became an authority figure in online business.
            Rich Schefren taught Jeff Walker, Ryan Deiss, John Carlton, Mike Filsaime, Marlon Sanders, and Russel Brunson among others. so yes. the guy is the real deal.
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            • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
              Originally Posted by ghost209 View Post

              Rich Schefren taught Jeff Walker, Ryan Deiss, John Carlton, Mike Filsaime, Marlon Sanders, and Russel Brunson among others. so yes. the guy is the real deal.
              Quite the controversial lineup.

              Outside of selling "make money online" type info products and related services, can you provide anything of substance that these hero figures have accomplished in the online industry? I'm not trying to be a troll. I would actually like you (or anyone) to go down that list and tell us something tangible (something we can go see) that these guys have done outside of the "make money online" info product bubble.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
                Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

                Quite the controversial lineup.

                Outside of selling "make money online" type info products and related services, can you provide anything of substance that these hero figures have accomplished in the online industry? I'm not trying to be a troll. I would actually like you (or anyone) to go down that list and tell us something tangible (something we can go see) that these guys have done outside of the "make money online" info product bubble.
                Yes, you are a troll, but here's one off the top of my head:

                Ryan Deiss - Survival Life | Preppers | Survival Gear | Blog - Be Prepared with Survival Life

                He claims they made $6 million at this time last year, not sure what it's done up to this point.

                Of course, no one can verify that number...

                But the site did have an estimated 1.5 million visitors in January and the top destination sites when leaving the domain are: Mcssl.com and SSL.Clickbank.com
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                • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
                  Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post

                  Ryan Deiss - Survival Life | Preppers | Survival Gear | Blog - Be Prepared with Survival Life

                  He claims they made $6 million at this time last year, not sure what it's done up to this point.

                  Of course, no one can verify that number...
                  Can't be verified, but it's at least a start. US rank of 7,130. Not high enough to generate that kind of cash from search or viral. Would need to be a lot of ad buys, which I think is something that he does.

                  Would be nice to see a little more than just the survival site, but it's certainly better than the nothing that most people know about the typical MMO guru.


                  Originally Posted by art72 View Post

                  Dan Kennedy is a phenomenal copywriter and (as an aspiring writer myself) has had great success outside of IM with publication, advertising, seminars, etc
                  Where can I see some of his copywriting work done for major companies? Got any links?

                  That's what this request is all about. Getting the info out there and not just talking about what may or may not exist.

                  Originally Posted by art72 View Post

                  To single out IMing as the only thing these guys have been successful at is just... Well, absurd!
                  What's absurd is to just assume that a history of success outside of selling "make money online" info products exists. That industry is packed full of failures who stood up one day and proclaimed themselves gurus. If the history is there, let's see it.

                  Originally Posted by art72 View Post

                  Frank Kern wrote a very successful info product on training birds...
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              • Profile picture of the author art72
                Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

                Quite the controversial lineup.

                Outside of selling "make money online" type info products and related services, can you provide anything of substance that these hero figures have accomplished in the online industry?
                Not to jump in on the argument you pose, but for the sake of conversation...just because they primarily focus on teaching IM, you cannot seriously be discounting the fact that their abilities are far more reaching than just IM. Dan Kennedy is a phenomenal copywriter and (as an aspiring writer myself) has had great success outside of IM with publication, advertising, seminars, etc

                To single out IMing as the only thing these guys have been successful at is just... Well, absurd!

                Frank Kern wrote a very successful info product on training birds...maybe if people invested some time researching 'what truly works' ( or in the least worked well for others) not everyone in IMing would be considered deviod of any primary skills as your posts often suggest.

                If you're gonna learn from someone, might ought to consider any one of the names above...and I say this without bias, as I have NEVER purchased an item from any of them...but have learned just studying their emails, salescopy, and squeeze pages.

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      • Profile picture of the author Teravel
        Originally Posted by microscopes View Post

        1) No need to be an ass.
        I wasn't being an ass. I was responding with purpose.

        If you're a beginner, rich or poor, you are better off learning the basics on your own because the information is easily available.

        Of course, now that I'm an asshole for suggesting an intelligent path... I guess I'll play the part.

        The truth is, if you're to lazy to do the research to learn the basics, you're to lazy for this business. It's time you get off your ass and grow up, or head back into the masses with the other 9-5ers.

        Step it up a notch and learn the search feature. Otherwise, you're just going to ask question after question, and get loads of responses that you just don't want to hear. Why, because without that basic knowledge, you're never going to ask the right questions. Without the right questions, you'll spin your wheels round and round, till you get sick of going nowhere. We all know what happens when someone gets there... (usually we stop seeing their name in the forum)

        Best of luck to you, though. Hope everything turns out great.
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        • Profile picture of the author microscopes
          Originally Posted by Teravel View Post

          I wasn't being an ass. I was responding with purpose.

          If you're a beginner, rich or poor, you are better off learning the basics on your own because the information is easily available.

          Of course, now that I'm an asshole for suggesting an intelligent path... I guess I'll play the part.

          The truth is, if you're to lazy to do the research to learn the basics, you're to lazy for this business. It's time you get off your ass and grow up, or head back into the masses with the other 9-5ers.

          Step it up a notch and learn the search feature. Otherwise, you're just going to ask question after question, and get loads of responses that you just don't want to hear. Why, because without that basic knowledge, you're never going to ask the right questions. Without the right questions, you'll spin your wheels round and round, till you get sick of going nowhere. We all know what happens when someone gets there... (usually we stop seeing their name in the forum)

          Best of luck to you, though. Hope everything turns out great.
          Did you bother reading the rest of my post before deleting it so others couldn't see it?
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Hinton
        I just want to say that - that we all know that the internet world is a real jungle most times and the we all have our own personal reasons for doing what we do. If it were me I would work with Bill Hugall as a coach because I have personal experience doing so, and he has demonstrated to me that he walks the talk. The very best on your journey.
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  • Profile picture of the author Valuable Solos
    I disagree with Teravel. Spend money with an IM coach and you will save money by minimizing costly mistakes and earning profit sooner (remember opportunity cost = leaving money on the table).
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  • Profile picture of the author User-Name
    Some really daft advice on this thread
    Hire a tutor cut the learning curve and the costs associated with mistakes

    If you go to University you hire tutors why would being online be any different?

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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by User-Name View Post

      Some really daft advice on this thread
      Hire a tutor cut the learning curve and the costs associated with mistakes

      If you go to University you hire tutors why would being online be any different?

      Andrew Linkedin
      To answer that simply, most newbies don't have a clue what business model will match their skillset/mindest...thus, jumping in under a coach or being guided before learning the basics or at least having an idea which direction they might excel at, would be like most college students who owe student loans, and never use the info they obtained at university... Make sense, now?

      I've conducted independent studies regarding self publishing for nearly 5 years, and in that time come to realize I am just now informed (educated) enough to determine the direction I want to travel.

      As such, I have just recently taken on a course/coach that has had great success and I feel can help structure my future growth and business model.

      So, I'm not bashing anyone seeking wise(r) counsel, but rather suggesting a newcomer understand the many paths, teachings, and methods being shared here...cause in my opinion, there are more frauds posing as coaches, than their are successful ones.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brentg22
      Originally Posted by User-Name View Post

      Some really daft advice on this thread
      Hire a tutor cut the learning curve and the costs associated with mistakes

      If you go to University you hire tutors why would being online be any different?

      Andrew
      I agree. Who do you recommend and why?
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  • Profile picture of the author Russell Shor
    I'm using a coach at the moment and is helping tremendously. Just do your research and find a mentor that you can work well and has an active members area
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  • Profile picture of the author Trey Morgan
    The #1 coach who I'm currently learning from is God.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by Trey Morgan View Post

      The #1 coach who I'm currently learning from is God.
      God is teaching you IM? How do I get on his mail list?
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  • Profile picture of the author ghost209
    and to answer your question.. If you wanted to learn from the best in the business I'd say Dan Kennedy, Frank Kern, or as mentioned earlier.. Rich Schefren.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    I'm am seriously inclined to wonder if someone said the ocean was blue...if you'd argue that as well. I supoose the internet is all just one big scam, and McDonald's probably didn't serve a billion customers...because they didn't open their books to you.

    Getting back to the OP's question, I am currently exploring a product creation course created by Mike McMillan (fellow warrior), and I gotta say... It kicks @ss!!! - I think he pulled the plug on the WSO, which in my opinion was way too cheap... But it covers all the key elements of product creation, distribution, and building reputable marketing strategies in a very easy to understand format.(*For the naysayers...it will work for just about any niche, not just IM products.)

    For those of us who do have an interest in IMing it's a great insight to the proceedure, and Mike's had some great success with his efforts and teaching to date too!
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    There is no one right coach for everyone, this is not a "one size fits all" type of search.

    By the very nature of this business, good coaches do not specialize in everything, so your first step is to decide what you want to focus on in internet marketing. Then you can take the next step of searching for a coach that can help you with it. Bear in mind that ideally you'd pick someone that you resonate with; if there is a personality clash or you just don't seem to be able to identify with his vision and coaching style then it is probably not going to be the right fit.
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  • Profile picture of the author GforceSage
    Why can't people just share a helpful name if they have one without all the wise-a$$ comments?

    Some people here take everything far too literally. If someone says, "Money is no object," It might mean they have a nice sum set aside for their education ( Like College) and they would like to spend it wisely to help themselves earn a living because that money won't last forever.

    Also, instead of worthless comments, like ,"It all depends on what you know or want to learn," How about, I had a positive experience with _______ and they trained me in the area of _____? We all know there is not one perfect fit, don't need to state that, yet posters state it day after day.

    He/she is interested in making money, that's what he/she is interested in.

    How about just sharing any useful mentors and mention what they specialize in, how they helped you, and try to avoid talking down to people?
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    • Profile picture of the author microscopes
      Originally Posted by GforceSage View Post

      Why can't people just share a helpful name if they have one without all the wise-a$$ comments?

      Some people here take everything far too literally. If someone says, "Money is no object," It might mean they have a nice sum set aside for their education ( Like College) and they would like to spend it wisely to help themselves earn a living because that money won't last forever.

      Also, instead of worthless comments, like ,"It all depends on what you know or want to learn," How about, I had a positive experience with _______ and they trained me in the area of _____? We all know there is not one perfect fit, don't need to state that, yet posters state it day after day.

      He/she is interested in making money, that's what he/she is interested in.

      How about just sharing any useful mentors and mention what they specialize in, how they helped you, and try to avoid talking down to people?
      Bingo.

      Nailed it.
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    • Profile picture of the author agmccall
      Originally Posted by GforceSage View Post

      Why can't people just share a helpful name if they have one without all the wise-a$$ comments?

      Also, instead of worthless comments, like ,"It all depends on what you know or want to learn,"
      Because it does depend on what you want to know and learn. If I want to learn about generating traffic I do not seek out the same person that I look to for info on amazon associates program. People have specialties and I have learned different things from different people

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      • Profile picture of the author GforceSage
        Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

        Because it does depend on what you want to know and learn. If I want to learn about generating traffic I do not seek out the same person that I look to for info on amazon associates program. People have specialties and I have learned different things from different people

        al

        You missed the point, of course there are different areas of learning and people who specialize in different things.

        This thread is from last month and my comment dealt with a number of unhelpful posts being left on various threads when someone simply wanted some advice . When you post a month later, you may not have noticed the other related threads or edits that took place.
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  • Profile picture of the author ricgrb1
    Sean mize is a great coaching teacher mentor
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  • Profile picture of the author More Than Tips
    Originally Posted by microscopes View Post

    If money wasn't an issue, who would be the 1 wso / coach you would pick to learn from?
    I love WSOs they have launched many a successful marketer. But if money was no issue you have to expand your horizons my friend.

    Also if money is no issue get as many as you need...but keep it on the same subject such as video marketing.

    So pick the type of marketing you are comfortable with and stick with it and gather all you can from multiple sources on the same topic.

    Good luck to you...you will make money the sooner you begin to learn implement, learn, tweak, grow, re-invest in your business. (that learn I placed after implement is what I call fail)
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