Do you feel TROLLS are ruining wso's

It's not just the WSO forum.

@Marlon (wow-I didn't know you surfed these threads...smart recon) - I think its a cycle.

Once you find a hot place to make money, those that would abuse it (and therefore should be called out) piss off the hyper-active, greed based buyers, who find out the wso may not deliver what it promised...

Others that can offer value are lumped in and get chewed out equally bad.

Still...you gotta decide if you're willing to whether that storm and either get the good ones or let the bad ones getcha.

I like how Sean Mize tends to handle this.

Watcha think?

Are you thinking about running a WSO anytime soon?

Regards,

Los

The offer and your replies should stand taller than the trolls if you've got something solid.

I would say that your "respected and reputable" friends are probably less than what you perceive them to be if forum trolls are capable of derailing their hustle.

Yeah I feel they are ruining it for the legit guys, a few scams would be on some wso"s?

The reviews should speak otherwise. Or does this not happen? Im new here

Your on a forum, that's what people do they nit pick anything, I hate it but no one cares nitpickers do negative things for the sake of doing it. Why? I have no idea I guess it's in their nature.

I agree with DubDubDubDot

If your friends are allowing the trolls to win, that typically means they just weren't releasing quality material. If they were, then there are certain ways to handle these nuisances, like handling the issue/grievance with positivity and actually trying to help instead of turning things into a mud throwing competition.

On the other hand....I believe there is only so much you can expect from a $5 WSO for example and if they want to nitpick and complain about a WSO when they have less than 20 posts to their name, well anyone who takes their opinion as fact should probably not be purchasing your WSO in the first place. You could almost see this as "quality control" ;-)

It doesn't matter what you do there will always be that 1% of F-wits that get their kicks ruining other people's days.

Myself and my mates see the trolls as a bit of fun and we poke back. If handled the right way they can actually enhance your post by if nothing else creating a laugh.

If trolls are stopping people launching then I would say there are some other more deep seated reasons at play here.

ODA

When you bottom feed, and that is what this forum is about, then you collect the worst type of customers/leads.

I only launched two WSOs in my life. I made 28k and 71k respectively within 48 hours of posting. But the amount of hassle and pain from this crowd was not worth it, so I never WSO'ed again.

Tell your friends to move up the ladder and most trolls disappear because you will be targettjng real business people instead of newbies, day dreamers and other bottom feeders. Plus the money is better too.

It happens in most forums.... People like to be "heard" and love to see someone "fall".... I hate it when its being done just for pure troll-sake... but the fear of forum ridicule may also keep people from launching crap products...

I don't think the trolls are as a big of a problem as the awful offers.

The 'S' should have been dropped from the WSO section several years ago.

What I find sooo interesting is that the majority of people posting in this thread do not recognize that the OP is one of the very first marketing superstars of the Internet. Amazing. I can guarantee that would not have been the case here just a few years ago.

Sellers are ruining WSOs just as much as trolls

I think we need some kind of mistery shopper for WSOs (might be an idea for a blog...)

Maybe the wso sellers ruined it themselves


so many seem to fade away...it is really funny to see the old wso's and jvzoo products that have a link to a grandiious url such as superdupermoneymakingninja and it is "for sale"...kaput, gone in a year


You can see how many of the threads end in the seller slinking away and not supporting their product/offering or whatever it is


Crap like "fiverr arbitrage" is a joke. I hate the titles like "watch me" blah blah blah...you are not a rock star. Amazing that people who really do make money and succeed don't come back to troll around for $7


and trolling....to me that is the people who jump onto forums where they never posted and answer any and all questions with "mobile is where it is at" (mobile wso in sig)...."seo rules" (seo wso in sig)...."you tube is the best place to promote" (you tube wso in sig)


what fake phony blatant cheap way to advertise. I used to have all sigs turned off cause I find them annoying but I turned them back on and it is funny


I think the worst do have to be "how to make wso in 24 hours"
we have people who have never sold a dime on the internet who are putting out wsos,
it is just joke. I also see people who buy these wso's and decide they will design websites or sell mobile apps - the only problem is they don't know the technical aspect, they have no training or experience


I also see people who buy a wso and forget that much of the offline ones are bout sales skills...cold calls, walking in the door. "I hate to cold call, I hate to meet with people, I live in another country and don't speak Engish very well, how can I sell to small biz owners in the US"?


well...duhh....you can't. Sorry if the wso seller made you think you could


IMHO there are some that are worthwhile and some that may be ok but there is a lot of crap to wade through. I respect those that sell software, plug in , maybe plr stuff, videos, etc, or a whole detailed system. But for every kid that wants to write about "wso domination" or making a fortune on fiverr...give me a break

Marlon and others,

The world of online business moves at a very fast pace and, as you surely have experienced, marketing approaches, tactics, and models follow along. I say "follow" because marketers generally don't truly innovate. They jump on the bandwagon only after the real marketing pioneers lay open their systems and share what's working with the masses.

Trolls, in my opinion, don't have the right to be lumped in with Internet marketers. They are a class unto themselves. They may want to become marketers, IM wannabees, but they are content to not work at creating a real business . . . they're content to scrutinize, criticize, and bad-mouth the effort of those doing what they themselves refuse to do ----> work.

Since technology affects business in a very fundamental way, it also affects marketing at its very core. If you're an online marketer, you'd better be adept at observation, business trends, consumer preferences, and your own specific market because CHANGE happens quickly and obsolescence is right on its heels. Products go stale, audiences are fickle, and money only flows through income streams that are at the head of the row.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Steve

Hello,

I would focus on the positive stuff going on in the Warrior Forum and ignore the negativity. Its counterproductive...

Thanks
Jeff Casmer

Trolls are a major issue, Like we do agree. Mods should just ban em. They cause a lot of trouble and bring to the table zero. Established members are going away. Well, this makes me sad, wish it were no so. Bright lights attract bugs for some reason. Maybe what we need to do is wake up. Hope that we become more aggressive. Send trolls back to the bridge.

Perhaps an opportunity for a marketer of Marlon's stature and connections, but it appears the time might be right for a NEW Internet Marketing forum run by a well known master.

The WF is either right on the course set over the last two years, or has been pushed off by public accountability and answering to shareholders. I don't know which.

There could be a master plan in place which is working extremely well, and ridding the WF of old timers and such may be part of that plan.

Or, they could be a brood of free range chickens at dinner time. WE really don't know.

When I worked at SCI, we shut down one of the first forums because of trolls. I am celebrating 30 years of online marketing, and have seen many forums come and go, in fact, it was a letter from Marlon to SCI which made me quit my job and pursue full time online activity.

Is WF too big to fail? Hardly.

But is there a healthy competitor who can offer the best of what the WF does and eliminate the chaff? Not at this time. But, maybe it is worthy of consideration.

gjabiz

Low quality WSOs are what's ruining WSOs.

I can see both sides of this question, while I do understand the need for some, to sort of try, to expose what they see as a bad WSO, I can also see how these sellers hate seeing ultra negative posts.

There are some valid criticisms and a lot of these WSO sales are on the IFY side at best and in some cases should not be offered for sale, but having said that, a thread should have a space for those types of comments. (Not saying you should exclude critical reviews at all) but I think they have their place, there are way too many suspect reviews, which are not really reviews at all.

There are some sales that clearly were pirated from another sales platform, (they fixed that problem) and to be honest you cant expect every WSO sales to be verified, though that would be an upgrade I would pay to get.

Things have changed over the years, I got here in 1999, left in 2003, came back in 2006, there were bad products being sold back then and will likely continue to happen, you just have to ask yourself, a few questions and make a cautious decision.

I think there is room for improvement, if you silence the valid critic, then you risk exposing innocent buyers to bad products, but also you should have a valid method of handling those that engage in malicious commenting.

There are always methods to make it fair for everyone, while stimulating growth of the marketplace. Something to think about.

If you are going to base your business on what trolls say then you have lost the game and should not quit. Provide quality material and good customer service and you will build a strong business.

Trolls are everywhere. Try putting up some popular YT videos and see what kind of comments there are there. Trolls are everywhere.

LOL! Just saw somebody asking for a review copy of a product in the WSO section that costs $1.97.

In my opinion as long as WSO is good the few negative comments from trolls usually drown in a sea of positive comments.

However I do agree that the forum is not really what it used to be and that's both good and bad.

Well it comes with the territory, that would be the equivalent of some actor or actress who quite their career because of some bozos on twitter.

Of course it is not the ideal for it to be a situation where trolls exist, however the right answer is to deal with it effectively in a professional manner, not simply give up especially if they are makign money