Do I need a Mentor????!!!! ****NEWBIE ALERT****

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*****Newbie Alert!*****

Hi Warrior Vets!

I joined the Warrior Forum after some initial research into IM as it seemed to be the best way to get in touch with experts actually DOING it and making money.

There is an overwhelming amount of information for a newbie to digest and i have done my fair share of reading and video watching in the last few weeks.

I believe i have gathered a general basic knowledge but want advice on what area to focus my attention on.

I am familiar with social media and created a site for my photography hobbie so i am familiar with Word Press, hosting, domains etc etc

I am willing to put in the hours required AND invest but i don't want to waste my time on a project that is redundant or that won't yeald results. I would also like to avoid the pitfalls and mistakes i keep hearing successful IM's made in the early part of their online careers.

It seemed Affiliate Marketing was the way to start but the more i researched i found half of the people saying it was a gold mine and half saying that shipped had sailed.

Along the way i came across a multitude of other various IM money making schemes:

Udemy Courses
Youtube Channel Tutorials
Facebook Ads
Made For Adsense Sites
Amazon Affiliate Marketing
List Building & Testing (?)

I found that once i got deeper into my research of any given topic i was put off by an 'expert' trying to steer me in another direction or by dubious looking gurus after my newbie bucks trying to sell me stuff.

It's all too much for my newbie brain to digest!

I just want to know what area to start my journey in to help kickstart that residual income that we all crave.

Do i need a mentor? Maybe somone i can shadow as i learn best being taken through step by step.

Are there any essential videos or tutorials i need to get as a noob to help me on my way?

Any genuine help or advise would be greatly appreciated as i am hungry to just get started.

Thanks in advance!
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  • Profile picture of the author RealCasher
    No you don't need a mentor.

    You need to work hard, and to choose one method and master it.

    May take some time, but if you work smart & hard enough, you will succeed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
      Thanks for the advice again. Would you say the list of potential areas are all still viable avenues to pursue?
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    • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
      Originally Posted by RealCasher View Post

      No you don't need a mentor.

      You need to work hard, and to choose one method and master it.

      Make take some time, but if you work smart & hard enough, you will succeed.
      Excellent advice.

      I would also say - pick something that you enjoy, like, have a passion for and have some aptitude and skills that fit.

      I see people on here who do not know how to build a website yet want to sell websites and figure how to build them once they get a sale. I see people who have a poor grasp of the Engish language planning to write "articles" and blogs to sell to us "rich" Mericans.

      I see people so broke they want to know what website will pay them for a survey to make a buck yet they are trying to sell a "rags to riches" ebook (with no results)

      I see people running around trying to buy facebook likes and twitter followers - all bots....trying to spin a cheap plr book to sell the "bots"...who of course don't buy.

      I see people desperately posting ads right in the middle of a post, racing after newbies to promote their "method" or offer to "mentor" them.

      I see people planning to charge others a ton of money for services they plan to outsource as cheap as possible on fiverr.
      And so it goes - no feeling, no concern about what you are selling, no effort to learn anything or have anything of value to offer - just "gimme money...need money....tell me how...do it for me"


      Every think to use the forum search feature? How about Google?
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      • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
        Originally Posted by Freebiequeen1999 View Post

        Excellent advice.

        I would also say - pick something that you enjoy, like, have a passion for and have some aptitude and skills that fit.

        I see people on here who do not know how to build a website yet want to sell websites and figure how to build them once they get a sale. I see people who have a poor grasp of the Engish language planning to write "articles" and blogs to sell to us "rich" Mericans.

        I see people so broke they want to know what website will pay them for a survey to make a buck yet they are trying to sell a "rags to riches" ebook (with no results)

        I see people running around trying to buy facebook likes and twitter followers - all bots....trying to spin a cheap plr book to sell the "bots"...who of course don't buy.

        I see people desperately posting ads right in the middle of a post, racing after newbies to promote their "method" or offer to "mentor" them.

        I see people planning to charge others a ton of money for services they plan to outsource as cheap as possible on fiverr.
        And so it goes - no feeling, no concern about what you are selling, no effort to learn anything or have anything of value to offer - just "gimme money...need money....tell me how...do it for me"


        Every think to use the forum search feature? How about Google?
        Great post FreebieQueen LOL excellent advice. I'm a noobie no doubt but everything you mentioned resonated and i don't intend on making those mistakes you highlighted.

        It's like everything you have to put yourself into the customer or clients shoes; would I purchase or sign up for this? If the answer is no then why bother putting it out there. I think about the reasons i sign up and purchase things online and it's always about the quality i am getting for that service o product.

        I have an idea for most of the various IM areas i just wanted to know which areas were still lucrative and which were dead ends.

        Now that i have a better idea of what i need to know i'll be using the search feature in here to help me out.

        Thanks again for your response much appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Check out the war room. There are tons of freebies there. Pick a method, investigate hard, come up with goals, and give it all you've got.

    Also, there are many WF members giving out freebies in their signatures. Check them out as part of your research.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
      Thanks for responding WriteAway I'll take that advice on board. I've just started looking at user signatures great piece of advice there. Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
      Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

      Check out the war room. There are tons of freebies there. Pick a method, investigate hard, come up with goals, and give it all you've got.

      Also, there are many WF members giving out freebies in their signatures. Check them out as part of your research.
      LOL....well really they want to upsell and we all know it
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  • Profile picture of the author quinng123
    No you don't need a mentor:

    The problem when first starting internet marketing is that you are given a bunch of methods on how to generate income, but not the foundations of what these methods are based on.

    Before getting too distracted by one method/fad that can easily go away in the next couple of months focus on learning and researching

    A) Monetization - How to choose a market and a product


    How Am I Going To Make Money
    1)Affiliate Marketing- Comission Based Income
    2)CPA- Cost Per Action
    3)Selling My Own Services
    4)Selling My Own Products

    How do you want to make money online?

    1)Passively: Slow building, but once you have some income coming in, you no longer have to work for it and requires low or no maintenance.

    2)Actively: Immediate income but requires consistent maintenance and work.

    What Market Do I Want To Get In?

    1) One I am already familiar with
    2) A market that I am not necessarily interested in, but don't mind promoting, and has high profit margins
    3) Evergreen Markets
    4) Niche markets with low competition


    B) How to generate traffic -After finding what market you want to be in and what product you would want to sell, learn the methods of generating traffic.

    These include

    1) Video marketing
    2) Social media marketing - Twitter, facebook,etc
    3) Social bookmarking- reddit,stumble upon,etc
    4) Forum posting
    5) Web 2.0's- tumblr, pinterest, slideshare.net, quora, etc
    6) Paid advertising
    7) Article marketing- hubpages, bubblews, etc
    8) Keyword ranking - Ranking in search engines with for long tail keywords related to your market

    The basic formula is Monetization Method + Targeted Traffic = $

    You need to understand what you want to monetize and how you are going to generate traffic and then stick to it and don't try to do multiple things at once
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    • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
      Originally Posted by quinng123 View Post

      No you don't need a mentor:

      The problem when first starting internet marketing is that you are given a bunch of methods on how to generate income, but not the foundations of what these methods are based on.

      Before getting too distracted by one method/fad that can easily go away in the next couple of months focus on learning and researching

      A) Monetization - How to choose a market and a product


      How Am I Going To Make Money
      1)Affiliate Marketing- Comission Based Income
      2)CPA- Cost Per Action
      3)Selling My Own Services
      4)Selling My Own Products

      How do you want to make money online?

      1)Passively: Slow building, but once you have some income coming in, you no longer have to work for it and requires low or no maintenance.

      2)Actively: Immediate income but requires consistent maintenance and work.

      What Market Do I Want To Get In?

      1) One I am already familiar with
      2) A market that I am not necessarily interested in, but don't mind promoting, and has high profit margins
      3) Evergreen Markets
      4) Niche markets with low competition


      B) How to generate traffic -After finding what market you want to be in and what product you would want to sell, learn the methods of generating traffic.

      These include

      1) Video marketing
      2) Social media marketing - Twitter, facebook,etc
      3) Social bookmarking- reddit,stumble upon,etc
      4) Forum posting
      5) Web 2.0's- tumblr, pinterest, slideshare.net, quora, etc
      6) Paid advertising
      7) Article marketing- hubpages, bubblews, etc
      8) Keyword ranking - Ranking in search engines with for long tail keywords related to your market

      The basic formula is Monetization Method + Targeted Traffic = $

      You need to understand what you want to monetize and how you are going to generate traffic and then stick to it and don't try to do multiple things at once
      Thanks Quinning for taking time out to send such a detailed response! You've put things in perspective and it does make sense to answer the questions posed asap. I think it will lead me to the area most suited to my lifestyle and skillset. I think i still have a bit of research to do before diving in. I think the best thing for me to do also right now is to find examples of the various areas through the Warrior Network and see what sits well with me. I've only joined today but there is so much good stuff on here!

      Thanks again for your comments greatly appreciated.

      By the way how do you officially thank someone for their post?
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    • Profile picture of the author dlane1987
      A mentor could be good for you to learn someones method that you will go and copy. Offer your time to anyone and they maywell tech you what they know in return for you doing some legwork.
      Alternatively if you already know what it is you want to do then I would skip that stage and just do it yourself, focus and stay committed. You will get some things wrong but learn alot on the way. Every failure is another step to success.

      Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Originally Posted by Eugenius360 View Post

    Udemy Courses
    Youtube Channel Tutorials
    Facebook Ads
    Made For Adsense Sites
    Amazon Affiliate Marketing
    List Building & Testing (?)

    It's all too much for my newbie brain to digest!

    Do i need a mentor? Maybe somone i can shadow as i learn best being taken through step by step.
    First, my take on the 'schemes' you referenced.

    Nearly all of them are actually viable ways to generate traffic to your website/blog. Some perhaps more beneficial than others.

    In fact, I think they are all good areas to pursue, with the exception of made for adsense sites, as to make any money -you need massive traffic. If you had an established website with archives of informative content, then maybe that model is good too.

    Udemy in my opinion seems a place for 'testing' tutorial based products at a discount, in an effort to establish a following geared toward the teachings your providing. So, though the short-term may be bleak for most, I personally had to stop going there, as I want to buy everything, lol. Like learning Photoshop...I've seen some amazing offers.

    Leading to YouTube... many of the programs being sold can be found in pieces searching through YouTube. But, with YT - video marketing is definitely a powerful way to build an audience, providing you know how to deliver what that audience needs. Again, maybe no money upfront, but easily scalable to make a ton on the back end through building subscribers.

    Skipping out of order a bit, the YouTube example, as well as the Udemy example should be used in conjunction with building an email list. So, the most powerful form of making money (IMHO) is that of building email subscribers. Once you have them 'interested' and 'engaged' and their email, you can keep sending value, and of course present quiet offerings or recommendations.

    Amazon offers a lot. A-Stores, tons of credibility, and most people know and trust them, as they are huge. So having that in addition to doing 'other' higher paying commissioned affiliate offerings, also a good thing, in conjuction with some or really all-of-thee-above. (*Except AdSense... not a big fan, as I've never made squat with that model )

    The Holy Grail, (again, IMHO) for the time being is using FB ads to target visitors to a thin website, with a primary focus... capture their name & email, and sell them the product or service that triggered them to click your ad.

    List building and testing... a must.

    Paid traffic, optional... if your knowledge and budget permits, probably the fastest way to start earning.

    All the things on that list are profitable, if you dedicate to doing the work.

    You seem a step ahead of most noobs, in that you already know the basic web hosting and domain structure, I suggest building a list be your primary focus regardless of what method(s) you choose. At least then, you've got names and contact info, and can test, tweak, and learn what works and what doesn't.

    If you invest all your time sending traffic to offers that don't convert (*without prioritizing list building), you lose all that traffic.

    And "NO" - do not feel you need a mentor. First you need to prioritize the methods you feel best suited for, and run with it. There's plenty of info here to help, as well as in the WarRoom, and all over the web.

    Just prepare to continue doing research, it is the gift that keeps on giving!
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    • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      First, my take on the 'schemes' you referenced.

      Nearly all of them are actually viable ways to generate traffic to your website/blog. Some perhaps more beneficial than others.

      In fact, I think they are all good areas to pursue, with the exception of made for adsense sites, as to make any money -you need massive traffic. If you had an established website with archives of informative content, then maybe that model is good too.

      Udemy in my opinion seems a place for 'testing' tutorial based products at a discount, in an effort to establish a following geared toward the teachings your providing. So, though the short-term may be bleak for most, I personally had to stop going there, as I want to buy everything, lol. Like learning Photoshop...I've seen some amazing offers.

      Leading to YouTube... many of the programs being sold can be found in pieces searching through YouTube. But, with YT - video marketing is definitely a powerful way to build an audience, providing you know how to deliver what that audience needs. Again, maybe no money upfront, but easily scalable to make a ton on the back end through building subscribers.

      Skipping out of order a bit, the YouTube example, as well as the Udemy example should be used in conjunction with building an email list. So, the most powerful form of making money (IMHO) is that of building email subscribers. Once you have them 'interested' and 'engaged' and their email, you can keep sending value, and of course present quiet offerings or recommendations.

      Amazon offers a lot. A-Stores, tons of credibility, and most people know and trust them, as they are huge. So having that in addition to doing 'other' higher paying commissioned affiliate offerings, also a good thing, in conjuction with some or really all-of-thee-above. (*Except AdSense... not a big fan, as I've never made squat with that model )

      The Holy Grail, (again, IMHO) for the time being is using FB ads to target visitors to a thin website, with a primary focus... capture their name & email, and sell them the product or service that triggered them to click your ad.

      List building and testing... a must.

      Paid traffic, optional... if your knowledge and budget permits, probably the fastest way to start earning.

      All the things on that list are profitable, if you dedicate to doing the work.

      You seem a step ahead of most noobs, in that you already know the basic web hosting and domain structure, I suggest building a list be your primary focus regardless of what method(s) you choose. At least then, you've got names and contact info, and can test, tweak, and learn what works and what doesn't.

      If you invest all your time sending traffic to offers that don't convert (*without prioritizing list building), you lose all that traffic.

      And "NO" - do not feel you need a mentor. First you need to prioritize the methods you feel best suited for, and run with it. There's plenty of info here to help, as well as in the WarRoom, and all over the web.

      Just prepare to continue doing research, it is the gift that keeps on giving!
      Thanks for that amazing response Art, really appreciated. I actually thought twice about using the word 'scheme' LOL hoped i wouldn't offend anyone i know everyone is pretty serious about their IM in the forum.

      Also thanks for the step ahead comment i do feel this is something i can really do i just need to learn the ropes. I know it will be a steep learning curve but i'm really enjoying the journey thus far and can't to just start a project and apply the things i am learning.

      From your post i think learning how to build a list is one of my first priority's then decide in which area to use it. Seems that's the best way to ensure longevity by the sound of things.

      I'll be copying and pasting all these great tips into notepad lol

      By the way what is your definition of a 'thin' site?

      Thanks again.
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      • Profile picture of the author art72
        Originally Posted by Eugenius360 View Post


        By the way what is your definition of a 'thin' site?

        Thanks again.
        Basically, by my definition, a thin site is a site that has little content. There are sites that people slap together with useless information (spun articles, rehashed spam grade articles, etc...) and low-zero value or concern for the visitors needs, wants, or desires... such a site could also be considered thin, IMHO.

        Also quinng123's post does an excellent job of summarizing a structured game plan. Something I really didn't have when I started, lol.

        Lastly, one thing to keep in mind, while it may seem obvious...many people get so caught up in their own expectations of IMing -or- consumed by building and learning the ropes, they forget the most important goal of all... deliver value, quality, and benefit to your (future) audience. Doing this means looking beyond yourself, and focusing almost exclusively on 'them'.

        EDIT: Apparently, I was writing this post, while the one above was being posted (by FreebieQueen), but do take notice... it's not by co-in'see'dance they are both saying the same thing... it's rather by co-in'-si'-dence.
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        • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
          Originally Posted by art72 View Post

          Basically, by my definition, a thin site is a site that has little content. There are sites that people slap together with useless information (spun articles, rehashed spam grade articles, etc...) and low-zero value or concern for the visitors needs, wants, or desires... such a site could also be considered thin, IMHO.

          Also quinng123's post does an excellent job of summarizing a structured game plan. Something I really didn't have when I started, lol.

          Lastly, one thing to keep in mind, while it may seem obvious...many people get so caught up in their own expectations of IMing -or- consumed by building and learning the ropes, they forget the most important goal of all... deliver value, quality, and benefit to your (future) audience. Doing this means looking beyond yourself, and focusing almost exclusively on 'them'.

          EDIT: Apparently, I was writing this post, while the one above was being posted (by FreebieQueen), but do take notice... it's not by co-in'see'dance they are both saying the same thing... it's rather by co-in'-si'-dence.
          Art thanks for answering the Q on 'Thin' sites! I kinda guessed it was that but didn't want to assume. The advice from so many experienced people such as yourself has been overwhelming especially when the messages are recurring. I will be focusing on quality rather than quantity for sure as that promotes longevity it seems.
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  • Profile picture of the author CharDel
    Hello there! My advice to you is not get overwhelmed with the endless information on the internet. Do not subscribe to every list you come across. Find one to two successful people in your market and study them. Research their systems, failures, and successes. Two things you want to master even as a beginner is writing phenomenal copy or content. Learn influence and persuasion. Learn to write high perceived value content. One person I recommend following is Dan Kennedy. He is a brilliant marketer and business man.

    As far as affiliate marketing is concerned it is still lucrative if you can create great lead magnets (freebie for the prospect). Therefore, the ship has not sailed. Some people get disgruntled because it's not making money for them and they bad mouth it. Fell free to PM me if you like. I am always willing to help. I've been doing the internet marketing things since the late 90's. Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Mentors as they are usually defined on this forum should be avoided. For instance, threads soliciting names of good mentors fill up with dubious recommendations. There is a lot of cult-like behavior surrounding these "mentors."

    I think a big contributing factor is they are selling people on life transformation through financial independence rather than selling a business model. So it attracts a certain type of buyer. That buyer is usually delusional and they will often aggressively defend their "leaders" on the forums even though they haven't achieved anything close to what they were promised.


    Originally Posted by Eugenius360 View Post

    Along the way i came across a multitude of other various IM money making schemes:

    Udemy Courses
    Youtube Channel Tutorials
    Facebook Ads
    Made For Adsense Sites
    Amazon Affiliate Marketing
    List Building & Testing (?)
    None of this is a business. It's all a marketing method, a platform or a monetization method.

    Udemy is a wannabe online university with a low bar of entry in terms of the required content quality. YouTube requires a long term commitment to video production. "Made for AdSense" sites are pretty much dead. Amazon affiliate marketing moreso involves first building up a site with a good level of traffic to feed into the program.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
      Hey Dub thanks for the response! I will defo be wary of being sold a dream. I know it will take a lot of hard work and the correct business model to succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Originally Posted by Eugenius360 View Post

    *****Newbie Alert!*****

    Hi Warrior Vets!

    I joined the Warrior Forum after some initial research into IM as it seemed to be the best way to get in touch with experts actually DOING it and making money.

    There is an overwhelming amount of information for a newbie to digest and i have done my fair share of reading and video watching in the last few weeks.

    I believe i have gathered a general basic knowledge but want advice on what area to focus my attention on.

    I am familiar with social media and created a site for my photography hobbie so i am familiar with Word Press, hosting, domains etc etc

    I am willing to put in the hours required AND invest but i don't want to waste my time on a project that is redundant or that won't yeald results. I would also like to avoid the pitfalls and mistakes i keep hearing successful IM's made in the early part of their online careers.

    It seemed Affiliate Marketing was the way to start but the more i researched i found half of the people saying it was a gold mine and half saying that shipped had sailed.

    Along the way i came across a multitude of other various IM money making schemes:

    Udemy Courses
    Youtube Channel Tutorials
    Facebook Ads
    Made For Adsense Sites
    Amazon Affiliate Marketing
    List Building & Testing (?)

    I found that once i got deeper into my research of any given topic i was put off by an 'expert' trying to steer me in another direction or by dubious looking gurus after my newbie bucks trying to sell me stuff.

    It's all too much for my newbie brain to digest!

    I just want to know what area to start my journey in to help kickstart that residual income that we all crave.

    Do i need a mentor? Maybe somone i can shadow as i learn best being taken through step by step.

    Are there any essential videos or tutorials i need to get as a noob to help me on my way?

    Any genuine help or advise would be greatly appreciated as i am hungry to just get started.

    Thanks in advance!
    IMO a mentor of coach can help increase your chances of success and point you in the right direction. In the end you need to make sure you are ready. A mentor will not guarentee your success, you will still need to out the work in.

    One of the good things about a good mentor is the ability to bounce ideas off someone experience and get tips from someone who has been there and struggled with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
      Hey Chris,

      That was the mindset when i made the post in relation to mentors. I think i will seek advice from the experts in the forum which so far has been excellent! The main theme from everyone is just get going and put SOMETHING into action. I intend to get moving asap i put all this valuable knowledge to use.
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  • I don't think their is a way to avoid the pitfalls. You're going to make mistakes regardless of how much training you've had. Until you launch a project, you wont know what mistakes to make. Their is a lot that goes into it. I would suggest you focus learning about keyword research and SEO.


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    • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
      Profit thanks so much for sharing that content which will be my curriculum sure! I think you should change your name to Prophet LOL

      These guides are definitely something i was hoping for when i made this post! I will also bare in mind that everyone makes mistakes in this business and it's through experience that success comes. I won't get down hearted if things don't work out straight away as i know it's not the get rich quick business it's made out to be.

      Thanks again.
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  • Profile picture of the author AngelicPen
    Hi Eugineous

    truthfully, getting started online could prove to be very difficult if one does not really followed the right path...

    and what is the right path for a beginner?

    Getting a mentor!

    i strongly believe in having someone who really knows his onion to teach you how to get started online. this is important because without a guide [that serves as a light] you might be missing so much and getting successfull might not come easily.

    you see when i first got started, one big headache i got was all the resources availale at my disposal to get going...just like you pointed out, while some will tell you this others will say another...its so confusing when you try to listen to all of them...

    and if you decide to go it alone with the ebook and reports, you might be weigh down by information overload [this is one sickness that is still plaguing many newbies]

    so i think if i were you i will search for a mentor [we have many of them here in this forum] who will be more than happy to help you get started
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    • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
      Originally Posted by AngelicPen View Post

      Hi Eugineous

      truthfully, getting started online could prove to be very difficult if one does not really followed the right path...

      and what is the right path for a beginner?

      Getting a mentor!

      i strongly believe in having someone who really knows his onion to teach you how to get started online. this is important because without a guide [that serves as a light] you might be missing so much and getting successfull might not come easily.

      you see when i first got started, one big headache i got was all the resources availale at my disposal to get going...just like you pointed out, while some will tell you this others will say another...its so confusing when you try to listen to all of them...

      and if you decide to go it alone with the ebook and reports, you might be weigh down by information overload [this is one sickness that is still plaguing many newbies]

      so i think if i were you i will search for a mentor [we have many of them here in this forum] who will be more than happy to help you get started
      Thanks Angelic Pen for the advice! I've been overwhelmed by the responses and actually really motivated so it's like you're all my mentors already lol cheese alert. I think I'll be doing a mixture of doing my own thing along with seeking guidance from people that are in the know about specific topics.
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  • Profile picture of the author ninosem
    My opinion is little different than others here...I have had 2 mentors in my on line journey. Until I find first mentor I was struggling on line....
    Every time I decide to go with mentor my business improve and rise to next level.
    Mentor can help increase your chances of success and especially to shorten the time to succeed. Despise that you need to invest into mentoring at the and of the day your money balance will be more positive with mentor, because you will be able to be in positive much faster...
    Sure, a mentor will not guarantee your success, you will still need to work hard....
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    Originally Posted by Eugenius360 View Post

    I am willing to put in the hours required AND invest but i don't want to waste my time on a project that is redundant or that won't yeald results. I would also like to avoid the pitfalls and mistakes i keep hearing successful IM's made in the early part of their online careers.
    This is a common mistake for the great majority of new marketers. No one wants to waste time on something and get no results right?

    But for me personally, that is how I learned.

    I made mistakes but learned from everyone of them. That is how I learn. You may be different.

    - I wasted lots of time and effort. But did I really? No I learned from all that 'perceived' failure.

    Do i need a mentor? Maybe somone i can shadow as i learn best being taken through step by step.
    No I don't think right now a mentor can save you from the growing or learning experience that you need to go through in order to become a professional marketer.

    No mentor can guarantee your results.
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by Eugenius360 View Post

    Do i need a mentor?!
    Honestly, I didn't. And I do not think it is necessary.

    I used what I called a 'silent' Mentor...people I really looked up to and then digested all they had to offer in Forums and Products.

    It is a good way to do it and very reasonable if you are on a budget !



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    • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
      Thanks Discrat I think the silent mentor approach began with this post LOL I've taken a lot on board in the last 24hours.

      Cheers pal
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  • Profile picture of the author paolo83
    I hear what you are saying here my man, and my two cent is simple: screw the gurus and do it for yourself.

    Speaking by experience i can say simply this, marketers are doing exactly what they should be doing: promoting and selling their products and services. That's the bottom line of their business. It's how they make a profit.

    The problem here is that unfortunately for the newbies there is not a magic product that will solve all their problems or make them mega autopilot passive millions.

    When getting started it's way too easy giving away all our dreams and hopes into someone else's product, get burned and do it over and over and over.

    What you need to understand here is that Internet marketing an industry where you can start a business. And to start a business all you truly need is an idea and a plan to execute it.

    Then you either do it yourself or outsource the project by getting people onboard. If you are smart enough you may also get people to sponsor your idea and launch it with you.

    I will never stop telling newbies that all you need to succeed is to
    1. stop listening to the gurus
    2. stop buying their stuff
    3. start building your business

    The reality is that you are only 3 steps away from profits:

    1.create offers
    2.generate leads
    3.convert leads into sales

    Duh?! this is no rocket science. It is what always worked, what works and what will always work.

    Ask any sales executive.

    That's how money is made.

    So to answer your question, you don't need a mentor if you know exactly what your business will be, how it will operate, have a clear blueprint you created and know what you have to do to move closer to your dream.

    Once you know this, you'll have a very precise idea of what works for you and what doesn't work for you. That's when you may look for someone who can help you overcome a specific obstacle and reach better outcomes.

    You see after all even with a mentor to show you the way and a coach to kick you butt you will still have to do your part. It is your dream, your business, your financial goals....nobody will do it for you (unless you pay out upfront, outsource the actual tasks and run amazing joint venture yet it's up to you to arrange tasks, organize everything and pull it all together....)

    Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
      Originally Posted by paolo83 View Post


      I will never stop telling newbies that all you need to succeed is to
      1. stop listening to the gurus
      2. stop buying their stuff
      3. start building your business

      The reality is that you are only 3 steps away from profits:

      1.create offers
      2.generate leads
      3.convert leads into sales

      .
      Thanks for the no nonsense feedback Paolo the message is clear; I just need to act.

      This thread has given me the encouragement and understanding of what it is required if i am serious about this. The research phase is over now, time to work on a plan of action and seek assistance when needed.

      Thanks again; don't be surprised if i'm back for more advice lol
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  • Profile picture of the author CPABeyondNetwork
    It really depends on what type of person you are, with the right mentor you can grow quicker + you won't make mistakes as you would make if you are starting on your own. Good mentors are hard to find and they cost money.


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    • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
      Thanks for that Nikola. I have no doubt the mentors really worth teaming up with have high rates because of their success. I'm realising at this stage of my journey i have to really focus on what i want to do before even thinking of getting a mentor.

      Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author lunaBEAM
    What you need is first and foremost... are GOALS!
    Goals will show you the path and will answer you the questions
    what do you want to ACHIEVE
    and then once you know that, you can asses whether you need a mentor or not depending on what route you want to take.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
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    Do I need a Mentor?
    Do you need a map on road trips?

    No, but you will probably reach your destination faster with less trouble if you have one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
      Yeah true and once you know that route you memorize the journey and repeat. The tone of neat info i've gathered from this thread is helping me learn to drive.

      Thanks for the response.
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  • Profile picture of the author salondemaria
    You had mentioned that you created a site for your photography hobby. Are you selling your photography? Is it something that you're really passionate about? If so, I say stick with that and learn all the different ways that you can market that site.

    One thing I learned early on is to stick with a niche that I truly enjoy. Ask yourself if money wasn't an issue, what would you passionate about? Imagine the end result and work backwards.

    It can become overwhelming learning Internet marketing. There are so many business models and ways to make money. It takes a tremendous amount of focus because there alot of "shiny objects" out there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
      Originally Posted by salondemaria View Post

      You had mentioned that you created a site for your photography hobby. Are you selling your photography? Is it something that you're really passionate about? If so, I say stick with that and learn all the different ways that you can market that site.

      One thing I learned early on is to stick with a niche that I truly enjoy. Ask yourself if money wasn't an issue, what would you passionate about? Imagine the end result and work backwards.

      It can become overwhelming learning Internet marketing. There are so many business models and ways to make money. It takes a tremendous amount of focus because there alot of "shiny objects" out there.
      My photography is more of a hobbie and i get enough work through word of mouth to keep me going. It would be ideal to one day have my own studio but I think i'll keep that away from any IM career. I have also thought about creating photography products or selling related merchandise but the market is so saturated i did't see a point.

      It's great you would mention the passions; since starting this thread i have listed those and it's given some great ideas.

      Thanks Salonda for your advice it was helpful and i'm trying to steer clear of the trappings lol
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  • Profile picture of the author David Ogden
    Eugenius,

    I find it very refreshing that you are in active communication with the people who are offering you their opinions. You appear to be overwhelmed with which direction to go, which is quite understandable.

    Now a mentor could help and guide you into picking which direction to go, Helping to clear your mind and get you focused on the task in hand with the goal of making money online.

    No matter what you do on the Internet you will need to build up knowledge of Internet marketing in general although you may like to work in some specialist areas such as SEO, website design or Pay per click.

    You are interested in Photography as a hobby so perhaps this is something that you can build into business, for example writing reviews of cameras and equipment, blogging of photographic techniques. It is always easier to sell what you are passionate about. Develop this area as your first income steam and only when this is producing add something else.

    I used a mentor when I started and it helped me get started. I now use a system where I have access to other marketers who are specialist in different areas and we work as a cooperative to enhance results.

    Sorry I had to rush out whilst writing this reply but it seems the previous writer share the same view
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    • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
      Hi David i appreciate anyone willing to spend the time to offer advice i'd be crazy to take that for granted.

      The knowledge from this one thread alone is more than enough to get me started; its like i got about 10 mentors lol

      I definitely want to get my skillset up quickly so i'm in position to cooperative with other specialists going forward.

      Thanks for taking time out to respond.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slade556
    No need for an actual mentor, you could just try and digest the knowledge you gather on your own and see where this leads you. If you're doing something you enjoy, I'm sure you'll find ways to succeed on your own.
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  • Profile picture of the author Davmac40
    This forum is a pretty good mentor if you use it properly.


    I can't add to what has already been said but having read some of the advice I'd claim it's top class mentoring.


    Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
      Originally Posted by Davmac40 View Post

      This forum is a pretty good mentor if you use it properly.
      Dav that's exactly what this thread has been, so much knowledge from people doing it which is what I wanted really.

      Whatever happens from hear on in joining was the best thing i could have done in regard to starting an IM business.

      Thanks for the response much appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamescanz
    Originally Posted by Eugenius360 View Post

    Any genuine help or advise would be greatly appreciated as i am hungry to just get started.

    Thanks in advance!
    I always recommend that someone gets a mentor...

    And was my biggest slip-up trying to figure things out on my own.

    Will save you tons of time, effort, and even money in the long run.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
      Originally Posted by jamescanz View Post

      I always recommend that someone gets a mentor...

      And was my biggest slip-up trying to figure things out on my own.

      Will save you tons of time, effort, and even money in the long run.
      Hi James thanks for the response.

      This thread has virtually acted as an unofficial mentor for me and I've learnt so much already.
      There is obviously still tons to learn but I've been given an opportunity to see successful business models that i feel confident enough to implement.

      What do has been basically laid out for me but i also realised it's not the quick buck dream life the ads make out...in the beginning lol

      Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
    LOL....I think it is pretty funny that the so call "mentors" who are selling a mentor coach program or webinar or whatever are the ones who say you need a mentor

    IMHO you need to decide for yourself what interests you, if photography is your thing, you could build around that

    Much of the stuff on here is nonsense...no one has a do it for you program...if making money online was so easy no one would work at McDonalds or Walmart or even work in an office or cut hair or fix cars or whatever...we would all be sitting on our yachts LOL

    I think you should start out with what YOU know and like, use the opt repeated steps and advice found here - ie, get website, social media, email program , etc...get affiliate programs

    Try for some good affiliate networks - Commission Junction for instance

    .maybe down the line you will need other things. You also might find some niches for photography offline - run a group, teach classes, or sell your skills to local biz...maybe create videos? You could even become a google certified photog
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    • Profile picture of the author Eugenius360
      Originally Posted by Freebiequeen1999 View Post

      LOL....I think it is pretty funny that the so call "mentors" who are selling a mentor coach program or webinar or whatever are the ones who say you need a mentor...


      I think you should start out with what YOU know and like, use the opt repeated steps and advice found here - ie, get website, social media, email program , etc...get affiliate programs
      g
      I love how you keep it real Queen Freebie LOL

      I know enough from what i've read here that i have to strike out on my own at this stage.
      What you mentioned about the repeated steps is what i'm studying now and it seems like the most successful IM's follow a similar business model with slight variations based on the product etc

      I believe I have enough passions to keep coming up with ideas for sites etc so for now i'll focus of really understanding how the world i'm entering works.

      Thank you so much for all the genuine advice and continued good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nexstair
    Everyone here can only advise you.It is you who need to Act.Dont waste time in thinking too much and get overwhelmed with bunch of info.Its time to get started !
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  • Profile picture of the author Manish Sapkota
    For fast result, you need mentor.
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  • Profile picture of the author cherrytom
    Hi Eugenius360 --- I love that name! Thank you for posing your question, as it generated some really awesome replies. You've started out on the right track, in joining the Warrior Forum, and I know you will go far in whatever field you decide upon. I say this because you've shown how thankful and grateful you are for the excellent advice given. Too many people today neglect to say thanks for the help they've been given, and that's very sad.
    So, do you need a mentor? No, not if you've decided what to do and how to do it. But, if you are at all unsure, then, heck, yes! Most, if not all, mentors charge fees for their coaching, but whatever you pay will be peanuts compared to what you will make through following their advice. My big and costly mistake was in thinking I could make it on my own. I was SO wrong! But now I'm making progress. Good Luck in all your online ventures, and may you, always, Keep smiling!
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  • Profile picture of the author jamescanz
    Originally Posted by Eugenius360 View Post

    Do i need a mentor? Maybe somone i can shadow as i learn best being taken through step by step.
    If you've been going at it alone for a while now and you don't see yourself improving...

    Then yes, I would highly recommend one.
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  • Profile picture of the author ZehnAli
    Hi..

    First of all, sorry for my broken English (I'm still learning)

    Ok, for me.. you need MENTOR. but please choose wisely. Not everyone have the ability to teach. Maybe 10 mentors in your list, 9 of them only want your money. only 1 want to see your progress and results. You need to learn from someone to show you the way.

    after you learn what you want. Follow your heart, keep reading, ask yourself how to generate sales, do this every morning if you can. continuing ask yourself until you get the answer.

    create your own "big why" why you want financial freedom. for example, I want to travel around the world. Read this if you motivation go down.


    hope this help,
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  • Profile picture of the author kk075
    I will mentor you.

    STUDY HARD & GET TO WORK! STOP WASTING TIME SECOND GUESSING YOURSELF!

    Okay, I'm done mentoring you now. I hope that helped.
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    It does not matter who you are or how good you are, there are still things you don't know, & that is the power of mentors.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anoosh Kashefi
    If you want to make it online you need to realize a couple things first..

    People fail because a few reasons.. Here's one of the main ones!

    They don't stay focused on one goal - It's easy to get side-tracked with all the shiny objects out there that have awesome testimonials and proofs that make you drool..

    This is a huge problem for some people. Stop buying products and focus on just one goal. You need to buckle down, and take massive imperfect action everyday on that ONE business..

    I was in the same position as you a while back.. Always overloaded with emails and the next thing best that was going to make me money within the next 7 to 30 days, and if it didn't I was off to the next thing.

    That's just not going to work..

    I always think it's best to replicate what the best people in your niche are doing. If you keep hearing you need to build your email list, well, there's probably a reason for it.

    Whatever it is you decide to do, do it hardcore. Stay focused on one goal and work everyday to reach it. Don't stop until your successful.

    Hope this helps,
    AK
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkTMS
    Yes, get a mentor. But only get one who is seriously concerned about your progress. The reality is, 99% of mentors will promise you anything in exchange for your money. So its not easy finding a good. Most people never find one.
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