81 Joint Venture Requests In A Row & Only One Of Them Caught My Eye.......

by Rod Cortez 38 replies
From time to time someone will create a thread asking how to obtain profitable Joint Ventures. So far this year I've received 81 JV requests and only one of them caught my attention.

I keep track of all these requests and it was my 81st JV request in a row this year in niches ranging from Dating, Weight Loss, Match-Making, Curing Sweaty Palms, How To Find Your Soulmate, and so on and so forth; most of them basically went like this (no matter which side of the request you can envision yourself in, it's pretty obvious what's wrong with this approach):

"Hi there Rod, my name is Emilio. I've got a new ebook that I just finished writing. If you promote it to your list I'll pay you a whopping 60%, ...........contact me if you're interested.

Emilio"

I'm not writing this to make fun of "Emilio". Not one single bit. But for nearly a decade I've been receiving JV request after JV request that goes like the example mentioned above. You would think that after all these years, the information in this forum, the plethora of blogs, e-books, infoproducts, and even just plain common sense, that people would stop approaching others like this.

So.....what I wanted to do was give you a different point of view from someone who receives a lot of JV requests across a variety of different niches in hopes that it will help you secure that elusive JV deal. Keep in mind that my most profitable JV deals that I've sought out have taken me months to obtain (more on that later).

I don't know who Emilio is, he could be a good guy, he might be a bad guy. I have no idea if he knows me or who I am. But if I'm averaging 8 or so JV requests a month and they mostly look the same, who do you think I'm going to choose? Certainly not the ones that all come across the same way. Here are a few things to think about:

* When I first sought out JV partners many years ago I used to take the other person's non-response or "no" personally. I thought to myself "they have no idea that someday I'm going to be successful and they are going to regret not giving me a shot."

Boy, was I really wet behind the ears back then. Not only was I wrong in my premise, but if I had understood where THEY were coming from, I could have secured many more partners when I first started.

I'm going to pick people that I've done business with before because they've already proven to me what they're made of. Let's be honest here, I'd rather do business with my friends or people who have proven to me that they know what they're doing. People that have a solid product, know how to convert and know how to promote.

Remember, every marketer, well-known or not, that has a set of JV partners started off as a newbie at some point.

* I'm going to pick people that have the numbers. Is their product proven in the market place yet? (Remember, the smart JVers have these number sahead of time.) How many sales for every 100 visitors? Every 1,000? Did you at least test this using PPC? Article marketing? Some type of advertising?

* All things created equal, I'm going to go with the higher commission. (Hint: In order for me to land my first JV partner, I offered a "whopping" 100% commission - I know you can't do that with Clickbank, but with my first CB product I offered the max which was 75% at the time and probably still is. I was honest about the WHY and though I got a lot of "no's" I eventually got a "yes". Think Col. Sanders - that guy sold his chicken recipe while living out of his car and hearing over 1,000 "no"s, that guy is my freakin' hero).

* I'm going to pick marketers that make it dead-a** easy for me to promote their product or service. Even if they have a broadcast email that they share with all their affiliates, I can still take it, change it to suite my needs, and it's still made my life a heck of whole lot easier. Let's face it, again....with all things being equal I'm going to take the path of least resistance, hence doing business with friends and trusted marketers that have the numbers, etc.

* I'm going to pick marketers that respect my time. Chances are, I might have other JV requests ahead of them (I usually do), so if I say "contact me in 3 months" I'm not putting them off. I really do need those 3 months!

(Hint: I've done JVs with people who replied with "thank you for reading my email, I would very much like to stay in touch with you." They were genuine about it and did check up on me from time to time. They asked my permission if they could send me their newest numbers in about 3 months or so. For me, this level of perseverance and relationship-building goes a long way with me. This tells me they aren't there for the quick buck and are actual human beings that care about building longterm, profitable relationships).

* Honesty goes a looong way. I JVed with a 22 year old Warrior who contacted me with a short 4-5 paragraph message that stated he was a total newbie who had created a product, used PPC to promote it, made SOME money, and was looking to land his first JV deal. He asked for help in a very honest way. A few months later, we worked out a JV deal that made him a nice sum of money in just a few days. Honesty goes a long way. At least to me it does.

It was also nice to know where he was from, what got him interested in IM, and a couple other personal things that he shared with me. It just made him more human.

* Business & Networking 101. A few months ago Willie Crawford made an excellent post about marketers like Reese, Filsaime, etc. and how HARD they worked at building relationships, creating their own pool of marketing experts / partners, etc. I'm amazed at how few people who contact me even know how to use the words "Hello", "Thank you", "Good afternoon", "Let's talk on the phone", "I'd like to stay in touch", etc. What ever happened to just plain old good business sense?

If you sound like you want access to my list, chances are you sound like every other schmoe that's contacted me.

Find out your potential JV partner's sweet / weak spot. Mine is talking on the phone, though there's a rumor out there somewhere that making money is important too (tongue-in-cheek). If someone is willing to talk with me on the phone or via Skype (audio not IM) I'm far more inclined to talk to them then some anonymous email. Some people insist on only communicating via email...sorry, but that puts up a red flag for me, even if there's no reason for it. Remember the person who is hungrier than you is going to talk on the phone or talk via Skype voice chat.

* Leave the Arrogance at home. I've had people contact me calling me crazy because they're a "multi-millionaire" or they can help me make thousands of dollars or add another "six figure" income stream to my bottom line. I love it when people tell me "don't you know who I am?" (actually, those make me burst out laughing). Because isn't the reverse logic also possibly true?

I've even been called some bad names because I would not accept their poorly conceived JV. One guy even accused me of not being a "real man" because I didn't have the "balls" to promote his product. I simply told him he'll never be a real success with that ego-centric attitude and hung up on him. Today he's running away from the authorities. I'm not surprised.

Arrogance turns people off. Big time.

* What makes you stand out? In the sea of emails and IMs and phone calls of JV requests that are out there, what makes your offer stand out? Really think about that one. You might have to get really creative. Here's how I landed another JV deal when I first got started back in late 90s. I offered this marketer in a non-IM niche original content because I noticed that he was asking for it for a fee. I was honest with him and told him that I read Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki when he asked me why I would do it for free. I wanted to prove to him how serious I was about landing my JV deal.

After he received a few articles from me, he was so impressed with the work he gave me another "assignment" to do. That JV deal is still earning me about an extra $200 a month. This marketer also introduced me to several of his friends. Those connections put another six figures in my pocket over the years.

The six degrees of separation is very real.
Here's why making yourself stand out works so well; there is a sea of mediocrity out in the market place. If you're willing to work a little harder, be a little more persistent, be a little more creative, focus on building relationships (it usually does take time), you're going to stick out from the 95-99% that don't do this). Then it's just you and the other 1-5% that have the same outlook and attitude.

Here's one last example: every once in a while you will see a knock-your-socks-off WSO. You can tell the person put a lot of time into it, their product is top notch, and they charge like $7, 9, 14, or whatever for it. I've had some high profile marketers buy my WSOs before. Remember, they're watching. They're looking. If you approach what you post here, what you offer here, and what you do ANYWHERE with a long-term mindset, you'll eventually get to the point where you'll have JV requests knocking down your door.

I'm living proof of it. After 6 months of hard core networking and building a variety of relationships in this forum, with competitors in a variety of niches, and even in my daily life, I no longer have to seek out JV partners....they come and seek me out.

Apply these principles because they really do work.

My 2 cents for this week,

Rod "I-Quit-Coffee-Now-I'm-High-On-Life!" Cortez

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  • Profile picture of the author Folusho Orokunle
    Rod, it really amazes me how many so called marketers are scared to pick up the phone and talk to you. I'd rather do business with someone that I can talk to than someone that hides behind an email address anyday.

    Almost every JV that I've done started because I was able to pick up the phone or talk to somone in person...

    Nice post Rod
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  • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
    Rod!

    That is one of the most in depth and useful article I have seen posted on WF! Thanks a lot for that.

    On a side note, I might just mention that JV Partners are not to be taken as golden geese. In stead if you think in terms of how they can make most money with least effort, and at the same time present offers to the people on thier list for which those people will love them, you are much ahead of other "JV Demanders".

    Sure you are a seasoned expert at this, but what I really do is...
    (Thier= JV Partners')

    1. Sign up to their lists and start reading their emails... follow ups and broadcasts.

    2. Note down their marketing style (FFFFPFFFFP means they send four free information based emails and then a promotion so they make money)

    3. I read their story and personally try to connect to them... Mentally. So that I can see everything from thier pont of views.

    4. I also buy a few products that they are promoting... Three benefits. First, they are more inclined to listen to a customer in the first place and second, I can check out the kind of exclusive deqals or bonuses they present to their lists. Third, I come to know that my product is not in competetion with theirs.

    5. I create a special bonus right in their style and launguage so they can simply brand it as their own and give it as an "exclusive bonus to their lists".

    6. I also create emails in the same build-up format (FFFFP etc) so that they an just fire away to their lists. No work except Copy and paste for them. I even see what autoresponder they are using and then brand the personalization elements accordingly ({!name} for aweber etc)

    7. My email is sent in multiple modalities... text, video and audio... all personalized for them. Whatever method they like, they get it that way.

    8. I let them know that it is OK with me if they can not promote it right away. I understand they have other things to promote and I do not expect them to change their plans for me unless they want to do that themselves. (As you have said)

    9. I also let them know all the numbers as you have said. Also if I am unknown to them, I let them know my position in the IM world.

    10. I am open to any form of communication... Phone, Fax, Skype, Email, Video Mails whatever.

    11. This is just the starting of a long relationship that I expect to have with them. I would like to reciprocate by sending timely promotions to my list for their products as well.

    And Rod! I have to say this... this works! PERIOD. Out of the 5 people I have approached for JVing... 2 responded with a Yes, and 1 with a "Maybe Later" attitude.
    All I want to say is that whenever someone is trying to get JV deals, they should know that the other person has some objectives for doing anything at all...

    1. They want to maximinze the money they make
    2. they want to minimize their effort
    3. they want to strengthen the relationship they have with the people on thier lists...
    4. They want no too many unsubscriptions
    5. they want exclusive deals for the people on thier list
    6. They want exclusive commissions for themselves.
    7. They want reciprocation and ongoing relationship... one of synergy.



    I hope I have added something to the great advice you have presented Rod!

    Regards
    Lakshay
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    • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
      Did you sneak that loop in there secretly to get us to keep readin Rod? (more on that later)

      Fantastic article and infromation

      Peace

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      rc, i got a gr8 JV deal for u... PM me... thx

      -Michael

      PS Just Kidding. I don't type like that and I don't have a deal for you, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express... and it is past 1:30 am and one often thinks oneself is funnier when tired. Thanks for the tips. Good night.
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      • Profile picture of the author sparrow
        Rod

        great insight

        I love to hear these types of stories, lets me in on the inside how others operate in their business.

        I see and get approached for these drive by JV offers myself.

        Unfortunately many are new to this business and someone is pumping them up to do this instead of showing them what to really do.

        I spoke to someone recently who thought they had a great idea get a JV going and do well.

        I asked him if he even sold one copy of his product, or even did a test with ppc for conversion etc...

        Big silence there, ended up telling him that he can't sell his own product how do you expect anyone else to do the same.

        Unfortunately most of these bad habits of these drive by JV offers is bad advice from some of these promoters.

        Ed
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        • Profile picture of the author Sirius Lin
          Hi Rod,

          Thank you for sharing your experience with us. For those of us looking to JV or only have 1 or 2 JVs under our belts, this is a fantastic, must-read post! Far too many people approach JVs as if they are "just business", when it's really about building relationships.

          ~ Sirius
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          • Profile picture of the author Sarah Harvey
            I really guess I am going to be the odd one out there.

            I am not saying what you wrote is wrong, but here is some of my own opinions... and believe me I can be full of them.

            Your name is Rod Cortez. Who are you? No...simply do not assume that they know you. You may make a million dollars or a billion dollars a year. I don't give two shits if you do. People who expect others to rub them up, butter them with compliments and then wait x amount of months before "allowing" others to JV with you.... well you don't want to know what I think on that. Personally, if you can't be arsed about JV's and you are so "busy" then come read on the warrior forum, reply when you talk to your friends, ignore the rest and place a nice little signature that states " Sorry- DO NOT ATTEMPT to SEND me JV's because I will not reply." People will get it, trust me, and the noobs who don't, well you can ignore them completely. I mean, alternatively you can be polite and just copy and paste a standard reply that states:

            "I am unavailable at this point to take you up on a JV offer, and I would appreciate it if you placed more effort into it, just as an after thought."

            Believe me people will appreciate honesty.

            Sorry...but in this world you are only a name among an endless sea of fishes. So your name will mean absolutely nothing to most people. To me it means absolutely nothing as well.

            Sure you get the oddball that will threaten you and make you laugh. Learn from it, and move on. Why it vexes you, is baffling me at this point. So what if they can't spell or write properly or even submit a nice little JV offer, but what people want to do most, is make money.

            Sure it took you ages to cultivate relationships with the big dogs. Who cares. Don't you understand that in this world, the difference between 3 months and one week could mean life or death to some people. And in this day and age, we are spoiled for choice. We can usually get things when we want to. Attribute advancing technology and on-demand consumer experiences for this. So yes, unfortunately people will not wait around to see "if" and "when" you are ready to take on that role of a JV partner.

            If you prefer people to phone you, then go ahead- tell them. Don't make them guess. In this day and age I think you would have noticed that some countries are more advanced than others. Meaning that in some countries like India or Pakistan, you might be pleasantly surprised that 98% still use Dial Up connection...well we won't talk about the 60% that do not even have internet. So in your opinion, how should someone with very little money, a brilliant idea and a good product contact you. Skype is out of the question and so is any other VoiP service if you have dial-up. Oh, shucks.... they will have to play by your rules right? Since email puts up a red flag.

            Take this on for a second. Personally I love communicating via email. MSN, AIM, YIM is also a popular medium I use. I have had my fair share of talking to people through VoiP and through the instant messengers I mentioned. Now get this... not everyone is comfortable talking on the phone or even over VoiP. I know for damn sure I am not... personal experiences I had with men trying to chat me up because of how I sounded, even when they were married, and it merely started as business talk, has turned me off completely to that medium. Even in the real world, I would either talk face to face to someone if I know them and if I don't, well heck... email or instant messenger it is. Doesn't mean the person has something to hide. In my case the reasoning is simple, and besides that, I am better in explaining something when I write as opposed to talking.

            Not everyone is a natural sales person, so hell no... I would look like a complete idiot if I phoned someone up to talk about a JV deal. For one, I would probably need a script and two, I would not know where to start if my job is only in the creation of products and not selling it.

            In email, I could easily present you with a brilliant offer (which will state what the product can do) and the product, but if I am not a sales person, why should I call you. Just my thoughts. Not that I have ever tried to JV with you, since I do not even know who you are.

            As stated before, others will not have that opportunity. You may have a lot of money, but most people starting out, will have next to nothing.

            What made me laugh though is how you keep people on the sides, as if they have to wait for your golden (thumbs up) before being able to do anything. Rod, no one is going to wait for you, so be happy. Just as you find people annoying, they find you annoying as well.

            Take that knowledge in, and then cast it aside. This world is going forth without your permission and people will be people. Some will be dumb, and others will just make stupid mistakes and they will eventually learn from it.

            Your world is perfect...so why worry?

            p.s. Frankly I understand what you wrote, but always look at things from other people's perspective.

            Good luck and have a fun day!
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            • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
              Sarah,

              I get what you're saying and your entitled to your opinions and no, you didn't rub me the wrong way, part of what this forum is about is having a healthy debate; however you'll notice that I prefixed my OP by offering a different point of view, that's all. The premise was that most JV requests I've received are very similar and there is very little effort put into it. That's the context that I wrote it in and frankly, I've received a lot of positive feedback over the years that this specific perspective has helped people obtain more Joint Ventures.

              Lakshay added some incredible insights as well. I don't know how you took what I wrote as wanting someone to "rub me up". One of the many points I was making was respecting another person's time. Remember, they are approaching me in this scenario I'm not approaching them.

              You don't have to be a natural sales person to pick up the phone and talk to someone. I stated my preference for doing business with people I can talk to it, that's it. I never stated one had to be a sales person to close a JV. You really took that point out of context.

              I don't put people "on the sides". They either choose to continue to keep a relationship with me or they don't and I also make that choice as well. Again, you took that way out of context.

              I do look at things from other people's perspectives which is why I set up my OP the way I did. I tried to be as specific as possible with the context. But thanx for chiming in.

              Rod
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  • Profile picture of the author OnlineMasterMind
    Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

    From time to time someone will create a thread asking how to obtain profitable Joint Ventures. So far this year I've received 81 JV requests and only one of them caught my attention.

    I keep track of all these requests and it was my 81st JV request in a row this year in niches ranging from Internet Marketing, Dating, Weight Loss, Match-Making, Curing Sweaty Palms, How To Find Your Soulmate, and so on and so forth; most of them basically went like this (no matter which side of the request you can envision yourself in, it's pretty obvious what's wrong with this approach):

    "Hi there Rod, my name is Emilio. I've got a new ebook that I just finished writing. If you promote it to your list I'll pay you a whopping 60%, ...........contact me if you're interested.

    Emilio"


    I'm not writing this to make fun of "Emilio". Not one single bit. But for nearly a decade I've been receiving JV request after JV request that goes like the example mentioned above. You would think that after all these years, the information in this forum, the plethora of blogs, e-books, infoproducts, and even just plain common sense, that people would stop approaching others like this.

    So.....what I wanted to do was give you a different point of view from someone who receives a lot of JV requests across a variety of different niches in hopes that it will help you secure that elusive JV deal. Keep in mind that my most profitable JV deals that I've sought out have taken me months to obtain (more on that later).

    I don't know who Emilio is, he could be a good guy, he might be a bad guy. I have no idea if he knows me or who I am. But if I'm averaging 8 or so JV requests a month and they mostly look the same, who do you think I'm going to choose? Certainly not the ones that all come across the same way. Here are a few things to think about:

    * When I first sought out JV partners many years ago I used to take the other person's non-response or "no" personally. I thought to myself "they have no idea that someday I'm going to be successful and they are going to regret not giving me a shot."

    Boy, was I really wet behind the ears back then. Not only was I wrong in my premise, but if I had understood where THEY were coming from, I could have secured many more partners when I first started.

    I'm going to pick people that I've done business with before because they've already proven to me what they're made of. Let's be honest here, I'd rather do business with my friends or people who have proven to me that they know what they're doing. People that have a solid product, know how to convert and know how to promote.

    Remember, every marketer, well-known or not, that has a set of JV partners started off as a newbie at some point.

    * I'm going to pick people that have the numbers. Is their product proven in the market place yet? (Remember, the smart JVers have these number sahead of time.) How many sales for every 100 visitors? Every 1,000? Did you at least test this using PPC? Article marketing? Some type of advertising?

    * All things created equal, I'm going to go with the higher commission. (Hint: In order for me to land my first JV partner, I offered a "whopping" 100% commission - I know you can't do that with Clickbank, but with my first CB product I offered the max which was 75% at the time and probably still is. I was honest about the WHY and though I got a lot of "no's" I eventually got a "yes". Think Col. Sanders - that guy sold his chicken recipe while living out of his car and hearing over 1,000 "no"s, that guy is my freakin' hero).

    * I'm going to pick marketers that make it dead-a** easy for me to promote their product or service. Even if they have a broadcast email that they share with all their affiliates, I can still take it, change it to suite my needs, and it's still made my life a heck of whole lot easier. Let's face it, again....with all things being equal I'm going to take the path of least resistance, hence doing business with friends and trusted marketers that have the numbers, etc.

    * I'm going to pick marketers that respect my time. Chances are, I might have other JV requests ahead of them (I usually do), so if I say "contact me in 3 months" I'm not putting them off. I really do need those 3 months!

    (Hint: I've done JVs with people who replied with "thank you for reading my email, I would very much like to stay in touch with you." They were genuine about it and did check up on me from time to time. They asked my permission if they could send me their newest numbers in about 3 months or so. For me, this level of perseverance and relationship-building goes a long way with me. This tells me they aren't there for the quick buck and are actual human beings that care about building longterm, profitable relationships).

    * Honesty goes a looong way. I JVed with a 22 year old Warrior who contacted me with a short 4-5 paragraph message that stated he was a total newbie who had created a product, used PPC to promote it, made SOME money, and was looking to land his first JV deal. He asked for help in a very honest way. A few months later, we worked out a JV deal that made him a nice sum of money in just a few days. Honesty goes a long way. At least to me it does.

    It was also nice to know where he was from, what got him interested in IM, and a couple other personal things that he shared with me. It just made him more human.

    * Business & Networking 101. A few months ago Willie Crawford made an excellent post about marketers like Reese, Filsaime, etc. and how HARD they worked at building relationships, creating their own pool of marketing experts / partners, etc. I'm amazed at how few people who contact me even know how to use the words "Hello", "Thank you", "Good afternoon", "Let's talk on the phone", "I'd like to stay in touch", etc. What ever happened to just plain old good business sense?

    If you sound like you want access to my list, chances are you sound like every other schmoe that's contacted me.

    Find out your potential JV partner's sweet / weak spot. Mine is talking on the phone, though there's a rumor out there somewhere that making money is important too (tongue-in-cheek). If someone is willing to talk with me on the phone or via Skype (audio not IM) I'm far more inclined to talk to them then some anonymous email. Some people insist on only communicating via email...sorry, but that puts up a red flag for me, even if there's no reason for it. Remember the person who is hungrier than you is going to talk on the phone or talk via Skype voice chat.

    * Leave the Arrogance at home. I've had people contact me calling me crazy because they're a "multi-millionaire" or they can help me make thousands of dollars or add another "six figure" income stream to my bottom line. I love it when people tell me "don't you know who I am?" (actually, those make me burst out laughing). Because isn't the reverse logic also possibly true?

    I've even been called some bad names because I would not accept their poorly conceived JV. One guy even accused me of not being a "real man" because I didn't have the "balls" to promote his product. I simply told him he'll never be a real success with that ego-centric attitude and hung up on him. Today he's running away from the authorities. I'm not surprised.

    Arrogance turns people off. Big time.

    * What makes you stand out? In the sea of emails and IMs and phone calls of JV requests that are out there, what makes your offer stand out? Really think about that one. You might have to get really creative. Here's how I landed another JV deal when I first got started back in late 90s. I offered this marketer in a non-IM niche original content because I noticed that he was asking for it for a fee. I was honest with him and told him that I read Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki when he asked me why I would do it for free. I wanted to prove to him how serious I was about landing my JV deal.

    After he received a few articles from me, he was so impressed with the work he gave me another "assignment" to do. That JV deal is still earning me about an extra $200 a month. This marketer also introduced me to several of his friends. Those connections put another six figures in my pocket over the years.

    The six degrees of separation is very real.
    Here's why making yourself stand out works so well; there is a sea of mediocrity out in the market place. If you're willing to work a little harder, be a little more persistent, be a little more creative, focus on building relationships (it usually does take time), you're going to stick out from the 95-99% that don't do this). Then it's just you and the other 1-5% that have the same outlook and attitude.

    Here's one last example: every once in a while you will see a knock-your-socks-off WSO. You can tell the person put a lot of time into it, their product is top notch, and they charge like $7, 9, 14, or whatever for it. I've had some high profile marketers buy my WSOs before. Remember, they're watching. They're looking. If you approach what you post here, what you offer here, and what you do ANYWHERE with a long-term mindset, you'll eventually get to the point where you'll have JV requests knocking down your door.

    I'm living proof of it. After 6 months of hard core networking and building a variety of relationships in this forum, with competitors in a variety of niches, and even in my daily life, I no longer have to seek out JV partners....they come and seek me out.

    Apply these principles because they really do work.

    My 2 cents for this week,

    Rod "I-Quit-Coffee-Now-I'm-High-On-Life!" Cortez

    Great post!
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    • Profile picture of the author Stacie Bennett
      Rod,

      Thank you for very timely advice. As someone that has never done a JV request before, I will definitely keep this in mind when I do.

      Also thank you to Lakshay for the very good additions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Anon7
      That was a fantastic 2 cents if you ask me. It seems that many JV requests are mass emailed & just follow a standard template with a different name variable inserted.

      I can also appreciate where Sara is coming from, but really, why should Rod or any of us have to make the effort to impress the ones asking for the JV? If one were obliged to pursue every JV request that ever hit their inbox, they'd probably lose 90% of their list & be broke in a month. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author Sarah Harvey
        Originally Posted by Anon7 View Post

        That was a fantastic 2 cents if you ask me. It seems that many JV requests are mass emailed & just follow a standard template with a different name variable inserted.

        I can also appreciate where Sara is coming from, but really, why should Rod or any of us have to make the effort to impress the ones asking for the JV? If one were obliged to pursue every JV request that ever hit their inbox, they'd probably lose 90% of their list & be broke in a month. :p
        That made me laugh. No matter who you are in the world...if you didn't have to impress people then people will ultimately think nothing of you- it doesn't have to mean you chase up every JV. It goes without saying, the people you tread on, could very well be the people that will make you a fortune in the future. So never take anyone for granted.

        By the way... an attitude like that is pretty self-absorbed and selfish. My two cents... you know how people always refer (or whisper behind their backs ) to the typical christian in a church that have a sour attitude, a selfish outlook on life and don't care about other people's opinions but their own. It sort of reminds me of that.

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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

    From time to time someone will create a thread asking how to obtain profitable Joint Ventures. So far this year I've received 81 JV requests and only one of them caught my attention.

    I knew I'd have you hooked as soon as you saw the can of Folgers in the package.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
    Well, it goes like this...

    Rod is one of the nicest people you could ever know. He is very generous. He is very literate. He is a very good guy. Selfish? Not at all!

    Rod has made a very successful career out of the dating niche. Like any successful person, he gets tons of PMs, emails, etc wanting all kinds of things. He would love to help everyone but there is not enough time in the day.

    What comes off sounds arrogant and selfish to some people may actually help a lot of new people understand how to approach successful people for various things.

    I can tell you from experience that Rod does not have a selfish bone in his body.

    Just my opinion!

    Take care!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Rod, I should send you my book on how to get JVs.

      It takes a totally unique approach that I think you'll find interesting.

      The problem is, if you know the strategy before I try it on you, it won't work
      because you'll be ready for it LOL.

      Actually, it might work anyway because it's kind of a hard tactic to pass up
      on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Sarah, nobody is entitled to any of Rod's time or attention. It isn't his job to coddle the ignorant. It may sound harsh, but if you're not diligent the time vampires will suck the life right out of you. Ever hear the one about giving people an inch?

      Moral of the story...don't expect others to spend their time listening to what you want from them. Talk about rude. Nodoby owes you THEIR time. If you take the time to build a relationship correctly and gain respect, they will likely GIVE some to you freely.
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      • Profile picture of the author TimG
        Rod,
        I love this post and some of the responses in it. It reminds me several lines that Michael Douglas used in the movie Wall Street.

        1 - "Bud Fox, I look at a hundred deals a day. I choose one."

        2 - "This is the kid. Calls me 59 days in a row, wants to be a player. Oughta be a picture of you in the dictionary under 'Persistence', kid."

        3 - "What else you got besides connections at the airport?"

        4 - "Come on pal, tell me something I don't know, it's my birthday. Surprise me."

        5 - "It's not bad for a quant, but that's a dog with different fleas."

        6 - "Save the cheap salesman talk, will ya, it's obvious"

        7 - "Every battle is won before it's ever fought. Think about it."

        Respectfully,
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        • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
          Tim,

          Those were great points to think about.

          Yeah., I loved that movie too, especially when in the end Bud stayed true to himself.

          Took him a while, but it finally clicked!


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      • Profile picture of the author chris_surfrider
        Hey Rod,

        Want to promote my product?

        I'll pay you a whopping 60% commission.

        :-)

        But seriously, yeah...

        The other thing people forget about is RELEVANCE.

        Sometimes, even with the most sincere and honest approach, it just doesn't make sense to promote things that don't "fit" with the direction you're already headed.

        If someone contacted me with a remotely normal-sounding JV-request for a product or service that actually automated processes that I teach and so on, I'd jump all over it.

        So relevance and understanding the prospect (and where they're headed) is also a biggie.

        If you really want to get "in" with whichever guru, sometimes it's best to communicate with them and custom-create a product WITH their direction to save them time. This would be an actual partnership; a JV in the true sense of the word.

        People who really get what I just said in that last sentence should be seeing some pretty incredible possibilities right now.

        Yes, it will still take some work in terms of developing a relationship - and you've got to make sure it's worth YOUR time to do as well - but that would be a great way to get started in any particular market.

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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
          OPEN LETTER TO ROD CORTEZ

          Rod

          Have I got a JV deal for you. Simply promote my new e-book and I will send my whole troop of hamster jugglers to your house, to entertain you with daring feats and breathtaking bravado. You can book them to fit your schedule the next time you are trying to seduce some fair maiden, as I know what a hard time you have getting dates.

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          • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
            Kevin,

            Are you certain that he won't try to seduce your hamsters. You could get into trouble with the NCAA, you know?
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    • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
      Hey Rod,

      Man kid, that is one of the best posts about JVs I've seen here in a very long time.

      I've found that most people that do approach me about JVing with them could care less about relationships or long term build. I politely tell them I'm sorry, but ...

      The truth is hard to swallow sometimes when people reject their slanted offers, but if they want successful JV partners, they will have to at least proove they are worth partnering with.

      This to me is about character more than anything else. You can find out a lot about someone's character within the first few minutes of talking with them. If they are unwilling to talk directly with me, so be it. But don't expect me to owe it to you to JV with you.

      Offline, partners know each other before they become partners most of the time. They don't just say hey, I am doing so and so, and want you to become my partner because this product is this good, or what I am planning to do with this product is going to do such and such.

      Realistically it doesn't work that way, so why on earth do people believe it should on line?

      To the people who believe the OP was written out of arrogance or written with selfish motives ...

      It isn't about impressing people, rather it's about prooving you are worth JVing with. If you aren't ready to have a simple relationship so someone can get to know you before leaping into a JV with you, you probably aren't worth our time to spend with you.

      Where people get the idea that everything is owed to them, I'm not sure. But I do know that people aren't owed time, money, or success from anyone else. People work hard to be where they are. Why should they cut you a break when you show no innitiative?

      Anyway, thanks again for the solid post Rod ...


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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

      I knew I'd have you hooked as soon as you saw the can of Folgers in the package.
      Lance, you know me too well!

      Originally Posted by Chris W. Sutton View Post

      Well, it goes like this...

      Rod is one of the nicest people you could ever know. He is very generous. He is very literate. He is a very good guy. Selfish? Not at all!
      ..........................
      I can tell you from experience that Rod does not have a selfish bone in his body.

      Just my opinion!

      Take care!
      Chris, your check is in the mail!

      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      Rod, I should send you my book on how to get JVs.

      It takes a totally unique approach that I think you'll find interesting.

      The problem is, if you know the strategy before I try it on you, it won't work
      because you'll be ready for it LOL.

      Actually, it might work anyway because it's kind of a hard tactic to pass up
      on.
      Steven, I'm always open to learning new things......

      Tim and Mary, thank you for chiming in because you took my OP in its proper context. And Tim, Wall Street is one of my favorite movies of all time. I like the journey Budd Fox had to take to learn that as much as he wanted to be just like Gordon Gecko he would always be "Budd Fox" and ultimately was okay with it.

      Chris, you're right about relevance. That's very relevant to this thread.

      Rod

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      OPEN LETTER TO ROD CORTEZ

      Rod

      Have I got a JV deal for you. Simply promote my new e-book and I will send my whole troop of hamster jugglers to your house, to entertain you with daring feats and breathtaking bravado. You can book them to fit your schedule the next time you are trying to seduce some fair maiden, as I know what a hard time you have getting dates.

      Kevin
      Kevin I'm sold!

      Originally Posted by Chris W. Sutton View Post

      Kevin,

      Are you certain that he won't try to seduce your hamsters. You could get into trouble with the NCAA, you know?
      Chris, quit giving away my secrets!

      RoD
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    nice tips Rod, I especially like how you say that one must be creative and put in the extra effort to stand out. I'll be applying that to all my ventures more in the future.

    If I remember correctly, I think you were the one that helped me make my first dollar online - Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
      Rod,

      Thanks for posting this information. My mentor and I were discussing this very topic earlier this week. We both still laugh with how I approached him a couple of years ago about doing a JV.

      I think I had been a Warrior for all of two months, very newbie to IM, not a bucket to pee in and certainly nothing to bring to the table for a JV. I had read a few post about JV's and thought man what a way to make a fast buck, with little or no work. In other words I was the very epitome of "Emilio". See you didn't even know me and you described me to a T.

      I told him I could use Site Build to do a site and he could send it out to his list for a 50/50 split. BTW I had been his customer for all of a week. He very kindly declined, but it was the beginning of a relationship that has matured. Consequently we have worked together on several projects.

      The knowledge and experience he has passed to me over the last two years has far more value than the money we have made together. Today we still talk on Skype every couple of days. Sometimes just to shoot the bull (because we have become good friends) other times to talk business.

      The point I'm trying to make here is the same one that really stands out in your OP to me. It is the long term relationship that counts. Another point being you have to be able to bring value to a relationship, especially if you are the new kid on the block. And the 3rd point be willing to persevere in staying in contact with the person you would like to work with.

      Rod thank you for actually laying out a plan of action for anyone looking to take their business to the next level with a JV.

      Folks you need to bookmark this thread, as I have, and you need to print it out.

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      • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
        Originally Posted by Ken Leatherman View Post

        Rod,

        Thanks for posting this information. My mentor and I were discussing this very topic earlier this week. We both still laugh with how I approached him a couple of years ago about doing a JV.

        I think I had been a Warrior for all of two months, very newbie to IM, not a bucket to pee in and certainly nothing to bring to the table for a JV. I had read a few post about JV's and thought man what a way to make a fast buck, with little or no work. In other words I was the very epitome of "Emilio". See you didn't even know me and you described me to a T.

        I told him I could use Site Build to do a site and he could send it out to his list for a 50/50 split. BTW I had been his customer for all of a week. He very kindly declined, but it was the beginning of a relationship that has matured. Consequently we have worked together on several projects.

        The knowledge and experience he has passed to me over the last two years has far more value than the money we have made together. Today we still talk on Skype every couple of days. Sometimes just to shoot the bull (because we have become good friends) other times to talk business.

        The point I'm trying to make here is the same one that really stands out in your OP to me. It is the long term relationship that counts. Another point being you have to be able to bring value to a relationship, especially if you are the new kid on the block. And the 3rd point be willing to persevere in staying in contact with the person you would like to work with.

        Rod thank you for actually laying out a plan of action for anyone looking to take their business to the next level with a JV.

        Folks you need to bookmark this thread, as I have, and you need to print it out.

        Ken Leatherman
        The Old Geezer
        This is perfect example of one of the points I was trying to make. About 7 years ago, I landed my first "big fish" JV partner. This super affiliate had a large, responsive list and received hundreds of JV offers every quarter. It took me about a year of staying in touch with him via e-mail and by phone. I also helped him with some content on one of his projects. Since I knew basic web design I helped him with some of the HTML on one of his sites.

        He had been burned so many times by other JV partners that he was extremely cautious on who he did business with. In fact, he already his own inner circle of JV partners, and I'll never forget what he told me when he decided to promote one of my products:

        "Rod, relationships are very much like infants. They need time, nourishment, trust, and love to make them grow."

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  • Profile picture of the author Amy Bass
    Rod,
    Fantastic post! This one I read twice so I could soak it all in.
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  • Profile picture of the author clint48
    It's a great post as always Rod, but is this part of the post true?

    (Rod "I-Quit-Coffee-Now-I'm-High-On-Life!" Cortez)

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      Originally Posted by clint48 View Post

      It's a great post as always Rod, but is this part of the post true?

      (Rod "I-Quit-Coffee-Now-I'm-High-On-Life!" Cortez)

      Clint
      A little bit.....it seems that I've developed some serious acid reflux and have to severely limit my coffee and caffeine intake....I'm thinking of ways of getting coffee directly into my bloodstream (IV?).

      RoD

      Side Note: Thanx for the positive feedback everyone and understanding what point of view / perspective I was coming from.
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      • Profile picture of the author Vector
        Thank You Rod, we need to hear that even if we know it it can be forgotten very easily!

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      • Profile picture of the author Andy
        Hi Rod,

        You're sig suprised me too - especially after reading the post! I'd of thought you know coffee cures all ailments so stopping can only shorten your life! :-)

        Ever see "Sleeper" by Woody Allen?

        "Have a cigarette?"
        "No, I quit years ago"
        "Really! Why? It's one of healthiest things you can do."

        Woody was really talking about coffee.

        Anyways...

        I appreciate your insight about JV's. It's good advice for anyone wanting to hook up with a successful marketer. As a matter of fact, the principles are valid for most any venture.

        Thanks for sharing.

        God bless,

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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

    From time to time someone will create a thread asking how to obtain profitable Joint Ventures. So far this year I've received 81 JV requests and only one of them caught my attention.
    Great post. I agree all the way. But why did this particular JV catch your attention? Spill the beans, Rod!

    Was it the schmoozing? The approach? The pre-tested conversion rates? Had this JV been in contact with you for a while already?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

      Great post. I agree all the way. But why did this particular JV catch your attention? Spill the beans, Rod!

      Was it the schmoozing? The approach? The pre-tested conversion rates? Had this JV been in contact with you for a while already?
      It was the person who followed the criteria outlined in my original post. Yes, he stayed in touch with me over time and we actually developed a friendship. He genuinely wanted to learn more about IM. So it wasn't the simple "plug my product and I'll earn you a commission", he actually wanted to learn and improve his own business.

      He also noticed a security leak in one of my websites and he told me how to fix it. Keep in mind that I've been burned so many times online that it takes me a while to really warm up to someone and trust them (I realize people that contact me might be in the same boat as well). Unless you have a way with Hamsters like Kevin does or a way with words like Chris Sutton does, it's going to take time and nothing but time to get through to some people.

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  • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
    Hey Rod,

    Umm ... so, does this mean you will, or won't, do a JV with me for my new script that's coming out?

    I sent you a PM stating ...

    Hey Rod,

    You don't know me, but I know you, so I figured I'd ask you if you'd be interested in doing a JV with me."

    I don't care about you getting to know me. All I want is to make soom serious money ... err ... I mean for us to make money.

    If you are interested, please contact my secretary at xpts@tttpdon'tunderstand.whatever.

    Let me know because I want to launch today sometime!


    (*)(&^(&^

    Man Rod,

    Believe it or not, I just got an offer with a similar note attached to it, so I figured I'd try it out on you.

    Lol and you know, I sent them directly to this thread!

    Just thought I'd give you a little chuckle.

    Thanks again for posting.

    Sooner or later, people will get a clue right?


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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Mary,

      It worked like a charm....now where do I sign up?

      Chris,

      Eric Louviere is the stud and I'm the mack daddy....I'm not sure where you're getting your info from.....

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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Sarah,
        Sorry...but in this world you are only a name among an endless sea of fishes. So your name will mean absolutely nothing to most people. To me it means absolutely nothing as well.
        Ummm... He didn't write that to the whole world. He wrote it to the Warrior Forum. In the Warrior Forum, the established folk all know who he is.

        That post, and Lakshay's reply, are gold.

        Sirius is one who'll profit from it. She sent me possibly the first truly thoughtful PM on a possible JV I've received in ages. (I'm not ignoring it, by the way, Sirius. Just waiting for a time when I can look at it with the attention that PM earned for you.)

        Sarah, your response is pretty much what one would expect from someone with the self-inflicted title of "Chaos Incarnate."

        Chris,

        Relevance? The magic word!

        Is it a good fit for my subscribers? If not, no amount of persistence or technique is going to close the deal.

        In some niches, you can be sure if it's a good fit, topically. With my folks, you don't have a clue. The fastest way to get ignored is to tell me something like, "I know TalkBiz subscribers will love it."

        The typical IMer won't be bothered reading an 8 or 12 page article via email. But that's what mine usually run. What does that tell you?

        Pay attention, dammit!

        Here's one that Rod and Lakshay missed: Don't treat your potential partners like idiots.

        I've been around the block enough to get a reasonable feel for the response to most offers in my market. If you tell me that I'm going to get a 10% sell-through, I'm going to laugh at you. Especially when I look at the page and see something that looks like the first draft was written in crayon.

        And a thought for the folks here with more experience. Here's an email I got from a subscriber in July. Unedited, except to remove his niche and URL. Reprinted with permission.

        Hi Paul,

        Just wanted to give you a quick thanks for something you
        did about 4 years ago.

        Was talking to a friend today & laughing about how every
        newbie starts off trying to sell "how to make money" stuff
        (us included). Going through our "how we got started"
        stories, I remembered how exactly I got knocked off that
        stupid idea.

        4 years ago, I joined some dumb M-L-M thing. Downloaded
        Dreamweaver, set up a horrible website (headline was "You
        too can make $10k/month working online!), launched an
        Adwords campaign, all while having no clue what I was
        doing. Was losing about $50 bucks a day on ppc.

        Looking for ideas on how to make my website perform
        better, I stumbled across the Warrior Forum through a
        Google search. Made a post asking for a site review.

        Many people responded politely and offered a few tips &
        tweaks to try. Make your headline red, try a different
        font, lose the header graphic, blah blah blah.... all
        worthless advice.

        Then YOU chimed in.

        Said something to the effect of: "Look, dude.. problem #1:
        are you making $10k/month? If not, then why would anyone
        pay attention to you? You're making false claims." And the
        rest of your post was equally brutal.

        Initially, I was like "man, screw this dude." But after
        reading it again, it made me laugh and realize how stupid
        the whole idea was... selling "how to get rich online"
        stuff even though I hadn't gotten rich online? How stupid!
        Asinine!

        Anyway, long story short, you jolted me enough to scrap
        that gameplan and start on something a little more
        realistic.

        Fast forward 4 years later & I currently own an ecommerce
        site selling [removed] that does over $1 mil/year. (if
        you're curious, it's [removed])

        So, yeah, I totally forgot about your role in my little
        path till earlier today... thought you might want to know
        how a little "brutal honesty" that you spent 5 minutes on
        - 4 years ago - helped me make the transition from
        "clueless" to "marketer".

        Thanks!
        Posts like the one Rod started this thread with can make that kind of difference, if you take them seriously.

        So does the occasional dose of reality.


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  • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
    Hey Mary,

    Just tell Rod that you're my very special friend and he will do a JV with you. See, Rod is very afraid of me because I am the only person in the world that is more studly than he is!
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      Lol Chris,

      I'll do that kid ... err is that stud??
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