Any way to hire online and avoid paying % to odesk/elance?

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Hi warriors,

I am sure some of you are using odesk, elance or some other website. I was wondering if there was a way to hire freelancers without giving a cut to odesk or a similar website.

Right now I feel that I need a full-time freelancer, and I don't want to give % to the respective platform.

On the other hand, I also wanted to be able to track how the guy is performing. Odesk has this time tracking feature, which I find to be quite useful. Actually, guys.

Here is a tip. If you do contracts hourly, it sometimes turns out to be CHEAPER than if you do flat-rate. Apparently, a lot of freelancers are quite honest if you avoid agencies. But that's just my experience. Feel free to try it out for yourself.

Sorry for the offtopic, but coming back to my question, does anyone here have any knowledge of alternatives to odesk that allows me to manage freelancers and see what they are doing while not paying a cut to the freelancing platform?
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  • Profile picture of the author Slade556
    My personal opinion is this: hire someone through Odesk or Elance or others, pay the commission the one time to see how they work and how serious they are. And then, trust me, if you'll tell the freelancer you'd like to work outside of the website, they probably will accept in the blink of an eye.

    It's the 'getting to know eachother' part that's tricky, because you need to trust them, and they also need to trust you! Once this bond is established, just talk to them and figure out a way to work outside the system.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zenoth
      I think you can post on Craigslist or in classified ads sites.

      It's the 'getting to know eachother' part that's tricky, because you need to trust them, and they also need to trust you! Once this bond is established, just talk to them and figure out a way to work outside the system.
      That's a very good point.
      When using freelancing sites you have that advantage that you can view user rating and completion rate.

      Without them, you can't trust the freelancer and he can't trust you until you develop a connection.

      I think the best approach for long term would be to start using the freelancing sites, find a high rated freelancer and after some time ask him if he is willing to work outside that platform.
      To be a little more convincing you can pay him a little more for the first project outside the freelancing site, or somehow give him a bonus and make him to understand that you have more work for him in the future.

      Another approach would be to use forums like warrior forum to find freelancers.
      For example, look in the Warriors for hire section. You can look for people looking for work with positive feedback from other WF members and get in touch with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Why not hire based on OUTPUT? There are many feelance sites that allow you to PAY FOR RESULTS.
    Basically, layout what you need done and you pay when it is done. What kind of work do you need done, by the way? Data entry? Form filling?
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  • Profile picture of the author CPABeyondNetwork
    You can contact the freelancer to work directly for you, just pay the first time to see how he does his job.



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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      What you are asking for is a way cheat. You want to use the features of freelance sites without paying a fee for it.

      if you'll tell the freelancer you'd like to work outside of the website, they probably will accept in the blink of an eye.
      You won't get a GOOD freelancer that way as it violates terms of the freelance site - if it's reported or noticed they will LOSE their freelance acct. No one buyer is worth that.

      I think you need to re-evaluate your processes. When I was freelancing I had a very few people approach me with the "let's work outside the site" idea and I refused to work for them. If they will cheat a freelance site - they will cheat me, too.

      If you don't want to pay the fees, advertise on Craig s list or look through for hire ad on forums like this one and hire directly. Pay for the completed work project by project rather than trying to turn a freelancer into an employee.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
    I did this.

    Several years ago I needed a couple of full-time data miners for one of my businesses. I found two qualified individuals on Elance, both from India, and spent the first few months working with them through that platform.

    Once we knew they were a good fit, both were very happy to continue the relationship outside of Elance.

    I still employ them full-time today. I pay one through Paypal, and the other through Xoom.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Good point, Jack - you don't have to work through a freelance site forever. I know elance allows you go outside the site with your client after a certain amount of time.

      I've done that BUT that's not the same as the OP's question. He wants to use the tool of the freelance sites yet avoid fees.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Good point, Jack - you don't have to work through a freelance site forever. I know elance allows you go outside the site with your client after a certain amount of time.

        I've done that BUT that's not the same as the OP's question. He wants to use the tool of the freelance sites yet avoid fees.
        Right you are. By the time I got through the thread, I wound up responding to the responders, rather than the OP.

        I am constantly amazed at how much work people will do to avoid paying a few extra cents for the right tools.

        I am all for being thrifty, and I understand bootstrapping. But if you need the features of a freelancing site, use (and pay for) a freelancing site.

        If the idea is good, you will be well rewarded for the risk.

        If the idea is doomed to fail, you risked (and lost) an extra what, $10? $30?
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  • Profile picture of the author TeKn1qu3z
    I was been hired at Odesk by outside money. Most hirers first they pay through the Odesk and second time onwards directly to PayPal. If you have great reputation or ready to upfront fees then the freelancer will accepts you without hesitation.
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    Since your looking for a full time freelancer, have you ever considered hiring someone from the Philippines? It can be chore/process finding the right person(s), but you pay a fraction of the price that you would most anywhere else.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dustinlopex
    Start making contact so that you can directly contact to the professional so that you can directly send money by bank transfer to that professional.Try to get skype name of that person.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Pagulayan
    Or ... You can post your 'wanted' ad here Wanted - Members Looking To Hire You

    If $5 is still too much for a 'wanted' post, then I doubt anyone's going to work for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author JenniferGiacoppo
    Yes you can post on Craigslist and take a look at fiverr.com these outsourcings are great. Maybe try guru.com as well. I guess like anything though at least if you do pay a small percentage you are paying to check them out. You may even want to google some facebook clubs/groups that are testimonials for people who have done writing for others.....another free source
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  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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    Originally Posted by AndrewCash View Post

    Sorry for the offtopic, but coming back to my question, does anyone here have any knowledge of alternatives to odesk that allows me to manage freelancers and see what they are doing while not paying a cut to the freelancing platform?
    So - let me see if I have this straight. You want the benefits and features of what an outsourcing website provides, but you don't feel that you should have to pay for them. You believe that everything in life should e free, regardless of what it costs for someone to provide it to you.

    Trust me, you and I will never do any business together. lol

    Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    Why not post a project and say that if it works out it could lead to full time and anyone responding should only do if they are optionally available full time. Then you can go through your vetting process to hire as full time as well and only pay for the single project. Then afterwards hire them full time out side of the system.

    If you missed my other post. Seriously consider hiring from the Philippines. The going rate for full time workers is so much cheaper!
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  • Profile picture of the author Roderick Gardner
    Have you tried looking for groups on facebook? Freelance group maybe you will be able to higher a freelancer personally ..just a thought
    Hope it give you some ideas
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I would just pay the fee. The more fees you pay to odesk/elance must OBVIOUSLY mean that you're making good money from the freelancer you hire. He's/she's doing a great job for you.

    The more you spend with the freelancer.... the money they make, the more money odesk/elance makes, and the more you make. Just pay the fee and make up for the % cost with some free marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCash
    Hi guys,

    Thanks for all the suggestions.

    To some people, I have to defend my view on this. I believe 10% is huge. I am paying thousands to my freelancers. $2000 for freelancers and $200 is out. I would rather pay these $200 extra to the freelancer. Who here knows a freelancer who will say no to extra $200 if it was laying right on an asphalt next to him? It is win-win. I have all respect for oDesk and freelancing websites, nonetheless.

    If the work diary system was available for a fixed rate / month, it would make sense to pay for it, but it is taking a good cut, and I believe I can even make the software myself.

    Having said that, thanks for all the suggestions! It is always good to share opinions and have a discussion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
      Originally Posted by AndrewCash View Post

      Hi guys,

      Thanks for all the suggestions.

      To some people, I have to defend my view on this. I believe 10% is huge. I am paying thousands to my freelancers. $2000 for freelancers and $200 is out. I would rather pay these $200 extra to the freelancer. Who here knows a freelancer who will say no to extra $200 if it was laying right on an asphalt next to him? It is win-win. I have all respect for oDesk and freelancing websites, nonetheless.

      If the work diary system was available for a fixed rate / month, it would make sense to pay for it, but it is taking a good cut, and I believe I can even make the software myself.

      Having said that, thanks for all the suggestions! It is always good to share opinions and have a discussion.
      Well, technically, you are paying $2000 to the freelancer, and the freelancer is paying $200 of his cut to the platform as a commission for bringing the two of you together..

      If you think you can do that better on your own, by all means you should try.

      If not, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Most freelancers are willing to pay the commission or they wouldn't be there in the first place.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jennifer Hutson
    Originally Posted by AndrewCash View Post

    Hi guys,

    Thanks for all the suggestions.

    To some people, I have to defend my view on this. I believe 10% is huge. I am paying thousands to my freelancers. $2000 for freelancers and $200 is out. I would rather pay these $200 extra to the freelancer. Who here knows a freelancer who will say no to extra $200 if it was laying right on an asphalt next to him? It is win-win. I have all respect for oDesk and freelancing websites, nonetheless.

    If the work diary system was available for a fixed rate / month, it would make sense to pay for it, but it is taking a good cut, and I believe I can even make the software myself.

    Having said that, thanks for all the suggestions! It is always good to share opinions and have a discussion.
    Your viewpoint is so, so wrong on this.

    That fee is there to protect both parties in case of fraud. Not to mention, these platforms are bringing you a huge pool of qualified experts – all in one place. Where else do you have the pick of the litter? I doubt you'd be able to find a pool of freelancers with reviews and ratings anywhere else (for free).

    Quit being cheap and pay the bleeping fee. It's a small price for the service that's being provided to you.

    Or pay someone through PayPal where you have no protection and have them run off with your money. Sounds better, right?

    I've been a full-time freelancer for years and I've had more problems with getting paid outside of freelancing platforms than through them. I've also seen the same happen to clients, so I speak from experience.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by Jennifer Hutson View Post

      I've been a full-time freelancer for years and I've had more problems with getting paid outside of freelancing platforms than through them.
      I wouldn't be surprised if that were not part of the business model. If I decide not to pay you in full what are you going to do about it?

      I just don't get a sense of honesty, fairness or goodwill in this type of post. Maybe it's just me. :-)

      Cheers. - Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author Jennifer Hutson
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        I just don't get a sense of honesty, fairness or goodwill in this type of post. Maybe it's just me. :-)
        Not entirely sure what you mean, Frank (the honesty and fairness part).

        I've only taken work outside of freelancing platforms a few times. Most have worked out.

        I was always payed (and never ripped anyone off), but I had issues with a particular client who happened to be conducting fraudulent activity that I was unaware of, which in turn put me in jeopardy because I was associated with them. It was a huge fiasco.

        My point is, there is no protection through PayPal on either end. I've seen it go both ways.
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by Jennifer Hutson View Post

          Not entirely sure what you mean, Frank (the honesty and fairness part).
          Hi Jennifer. Sorry if you thought I was referring to you. I wasn't. I was commenting on the basic premise of the OP's question. It just strikes me as the type of tactic in dealing with established business models that looks to gain an advantage financially, while discounting what the extra money goes toward - infrastructure, support, fraud protection, etc.

          Sorry - I'm just a firm believer in playing by the rules and not looking for a way to get over. Like I said, I could be wrong, but I'm an old man and have seen it all. You'll forgive my cynicism, I hope. :-)

          Cheers. - Frank
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          • Profile picture of the author Jennifer Hutson
            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            Hi Jennifer. Sorry if you thought I was referring to you. I wasn't. I was commenting on the basic premise of the OP's question. It just strikes me as the type of tactic in dealing with established business models that looks to gain an advantage financially, while discounting what the extra money goes toward - infrastructure, support, fraud protection, etc.

            Sorry - I'm just a firm believer in playing by the rules and not looking for a way to get over. Like I said, I could be wrong, but I'm an old man and have seen it all. You'll forgive my cynicism, I hope. :-)

            Cheers. - Frank
            Thanks for clarifying. I assumed that since you were quoting what I had said, it was in reference to me
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            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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              Originally Posted by Jennifer Hutson View Post

              Thanks for clarifying. I assumed that since you were quoting what I had said, it was in reference to me
              Sloppines in posting on my part. :-( I need another coffee to put my brain in gear.

              Cheers. - Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author Slade556
      Originally Posted by Jennifer Hutson View Post

      That fee is there to protect both parties in case of fraud.
      I agree, but I also think once a relationship based on trust is established between the freelancer and the client, going outside the system is a risk many choose to take.
      OP is right, the fees sometimes are outrageous, like he said, which freelancer would say no to a few hundred bucks if they know they can trust the client?
      So, IMO, the best way to approach this is to hire them for small projects, pay the fees each time for a while, until you get to trust them (if you get there.. ). And THEN hire them outside the system, once you are sure you will get your job done and the freelancer is sure they will get paid. Of course, having a contract can't hurt!
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  • Yes..

    Get in touch, and contact them..

    Directly by email or by phone, and arrange payments that way

    Hope this helps
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  • Profile picture of the author astral walker
    Originally Posted by AndrewCash View Post

    Hi warriors,

    I am sure some of you are using odesk, elance or some other website. I was wondering if there was a way to hire freelancers without giving a cut to odesk or a similar website.

    Right now I feel that I need a full-time freelancer, and I don't want to give % to the respective platform.

    On the other hand, I also wanted to be able to track how the guy is performing. Odesk has this time tracking feature, which I find to be quite useful. Actually, guys.

    Here is a tip. If you do contracts hourly, it sometimes turns out to be CHEAPER than if you do flat-rate. Apparently, a lot of freelancers are quite honest if you avoid agencies. But that's just my experience. Feel free to try it out for yourself.

    Sorry for the offtopic, but coming back to my question, does anyone here have any knowledge of alternatives to odesk that allows me to manage freelancers and see what they are doing while not paying a cut to the freelancing platform?

    You can hunt for freelancer in Forums like WSO, Digital Point, Blackhat etc. You may find some talented people on such forums. You will just need to keep searching. Forums are the best in my opinion. I hunt for potential clients from forums.
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  • Profile picture of the author marksinclair
    Hubstaff doesn't take a percentage of payments to team members. You just pay a flat rate for how many team members you need. It works out to be a lot cheaper than oDesk, especially at the amounts you're paying to your team. See Hubstaff's comparison of oDesk vs Hubstaff
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  • Profile picture of the author jt47000
    My personal opinion is this: hire someone through Odesk or Elance or others, pay the commission the one time to see how they work and how serious they are. And then, trust me, if you'll tell the freelancer you'd like to work outside of the website, they probably will accept in the blink of an eye.

    It's the 'getting to know eachother' part that's tricky, because you need to trust them, and they also need to trust you! Once this bond is established, just talk to them and figure out a way to work outside the system.
    I absolutely agree. I have a team that has taken me about 2 years to build through first using Odesk, building a relationship through Skype and then eventually offering to pay them via paypal and cut out odesk altogether.

    Odesk has recently reached its point of diminishing returns.. ( I feel..) The workers seem to either be incredibly expensive or the old days of quality cheap labor are behind us. The last few graphic designers I've hired have actually just downloaded pictures off google images and presented them as their own which infuriated me.

    It takes time but there's still good workers out there. When you create a contract always present that you're interested in a long term working relationship and you'll promise a lot more work if things go well. This will keep them honest and on their game. Pay them a fair price (hourly or fixed) and never take advantage (or karma will get you). Be fair with them and they will remember it.

    My last point of advice is unless you win the lottery (I feel like I have with my team You get what you pay for. Don't overpay for the American who charges $100 to write a 500 word article but don't underpay $0.01 to for the Odesker that writes the 20 page article as well. There's a fine line and it takes some time to figure out a fair offering.

    Hope that helps! What niche you looking for? I might have a good ref for you.

    JT
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      My personal opinion is this: hire someone through Odesk or Elance or others, pay the commission the one time to see how they work and how serious they are. And then, trust me, if you'll tell the freelancer you'd like to work outside of the website, they probably will accept in the blink of an eye.
      Someone with a good rating and regular income on a freelance site will turn you in for suggesting going "outside the site to save commission". Yes, I've seen it happen and those buyers were permanently banned from the site. An honest freelancer isn't going to cheat the site where he makes his living.....if he would do that, he'd cheat you, too.

      I agree with building your team through the freelance sites. You have the tools and the protections and after a year or so you can - without violating any rules - take your team outside the site and KNOW what you can expect from them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas W
    Odesk and Freelancer is what is going to save your butt. Trust me that extra fee is worth every penny. Some of these offshore workers can be lazy and use every excuse why they can't work.

    Stuff like i lost power, their is a hurricane, my dog died, house got flooded, I'm taking 1 month vacation.... I heard it all
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    I hire people outright on onlinejobs.ph
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCash
    Guys... wtf is with you complaining. A simple search gave me this: https://screenshotmonitor.com/. Seems pretty much similar to odesk time tracking feature.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      A simple search gave me this: https://screenshotmonitor.com/. Seems pretty much similar to odesk time tracking feature.
      Could have done that in the first place. Your premise was that you wished to use the functions of the freelance sites without paying the fees...

      I have to defend my view on this. I believe 10% is huge.
      Most of the blunt comments were aimed at those who were advising on how to cheat the freelance systems. You found a way to get what you want without paying with this software - good for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author marcellom
        Hello Andrew,

        I personally use this website onlinejob.ph (affiliate link) to hire filipino workers for a long time.

        It's really easy: you just post a job offer and wait for the emails (which arrive in hundreds).

        Tip: some people will reply immediately without even reading the whole Ad, so make sure you add something like "write the keyword Iphone as a subject line in the email so I'm sure you read my Ad thoroughly".
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  • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
    To proffer some fodder fer the noggin' to those being critical of the idea presented by the OP, those freelancing sites aren't all unicorns, rainbows and butterflys.

    How many millions of dollars have changed hands without the purchaser knowing the whole thing was outsourced to Fiverr? Plenty of Arbitrage WSOs and a few IMers who have made good money doing it. If I personally hire a freelancer based upon samples or a portfolio, I want THAT graphic artist/writer/coder/etc., to do the work.

    Not someone they are going to outsource it too. And ultimate assurance of that on a freelance site like oDesk, et al, is not guaranteed on their end - the 'their' belonging to oDesk and the rest.

    And they would have a helluva lot less money in their pockets if they had rigorously stamped that out from the git go ...

    I still view much of this stuff a fluid situation. Fluidity of situations goes hand in hand with Flexibility of 'ToS ethics' in certain situations. Some make it sound as if your Soul is on the line here, with oDesk standing in judgement. I can present multiple arguments where adhering to such ToS in such a rigid fashion could hold both the freelancer and client back from future or even immediate growth, or even miss their opportunity for success.

    Should those people pretend a ToS is a religious text and consider it 'morally wrong' to do something outside the platform?

    From someone's post above:

    ... or the old days of quality cheap labor are behind us.
    A slight correction - the days of quality and ridiculously cheap labor are behind us.

    Don't lose the forest for the trees. Go back 20 years and think about what it cost to have a logo made, to have graphic work done, marketing collateral, freelance writing, to start a business, to try to 'make money', etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author tuhinbd1976
    Actually it is not legal. Odesk charge 10% of the total amount on the other hand the Fiverr charged 20% of the total amount. So both Freelancer & client feel bore to charge. In this case if you are not willing to pay this amount, you can search on the search engine to get the freelancer personal site, most of the top rated freelancer have personal website. I think the information may helpful to you. Thanks a lot.
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    You can always go to the second best internet marketing forum after WF. I'll give you a hint, it starts with a D and ends with an "oint".
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