You Might Be Wasting Time On WSO's.

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The things I have read about WSO's can not be ignored anymore.
I have heard from a lot of sources ( that I will not reveal) that WSO's do not work.


A couple of guys actually claimed to buying a lot of WSO's and never even made a dollar.

It brings me to question if these things are actually designed to work. Will someone actually reveal their method of making money if it is an actual gold mine? Even if it is a goldmine, could it be possibly that cheap?

Please correct me if I am wrong but most of the stuff just seem like rehashes and slight twists to old methods.

I have personally tried two WSO's and none of them worked. I spent time going through some reviews of other WSO's that are actually supposed to help you make money but never saw anyone claiming to "make money", Just claiming that the idea is original, the person is to be trusted, or something other than actually making money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Smeltzer
    Originally Posted by Tariqsal View Post

    The things I have read about WSO's can not be ignored anymore.
    I have heard from a lot of sources ( that I will not reveal) that WSO's do not work.


    A couple of guys actually claimed to buying a lot of WSO's and never even made a dollar.

    It brings me to question if these things are actually designed to work. Will someone actually reveal their method of making money if it is an actual gold mine? Even if it is a goldmine, could it be possibly that cheap?

    Please correct me if I am wrong but most of the stuff just seem like rehashes and slight twists to old methods.

    I have personally tried two WSO's and none of them worked. I spent time going through some reviews of other WSO's that are actually supposed to help you make money but never saw anyone claiming to "make money", Just claiming that the idea is original, the person is to be trusted, or something other than actually making money.
    Depends on what you are looking for. I know a couple WSO's that work as intended right out of the box but they will not make you money. It is up to you to make the money with the idea presented in the WSO. (they go over things like Traffic Generation and SEO and Social Networking and conversions)

    I think the biggest problem is the ones focused on one method where it is suppose to make you rich in a day. I have purchased a couple like this just to see what the hype is about as one of them had like 50 pages of nothing but positive replies. So I got to work and not only me but I even had one of my assistants work on it as well and the end result after one month working on that method was nothing notta zero.

    My conclusion was the method was sound . It was wrote great. It sounded like it would work. Yet it just did not function as intended in the real world. You have to think when people create WSO after WSO in many many different niches you got to ask yourself are they actually testing these themselves?

    A friend of mine use to be a WSO creator. He said he just goes through Alexa look for websites analyze the website and creates a WSO around that. He did no testing or anything of the such. It is my opinion that this is the problem with a lot of WSOs the owners do not take the time to actually test it and create a masterful work of art and most of the buyers just want a good story. So they leave a great review on the basis that it sounds good. Yet never even tested.
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    The post lacks specifics, refers to anonymous persons, and doesn't make any sense in disparaging every WSO. Let me change "WSOs" to "books" and a word to highlight the problem:
    The things I have read about books can not be ignored anymore.
    I have heard from a lot of sources ( that I will not reveal) that books do not work.


    A couple of guys actually claimed to buying a lot of books and never even made a dollar.

    It brings me to question if these things are actually designed to work. Will someone actually reveal their method of making money if it is an actual gold mine? Even if it is a goldmine, could it be possibly that cheap?

    Please correct me if I am wrong but most of the stuff just seem like rehashes and slight twists to old methods.

    I have personally read two books and none of them worked. I spent time going through some reviews of other books that are actually supposed to help you make money but never saw anyone claiming to "make money", Just claiming that the idea is original, the person is to be trusted, or something other than actually making money.
    But I'll bet that newbie quick cash promotion in your sig works great!

    So let me change it again ...

    The things I have read about sig offers can not be ignored anymore.
    I have heard from a lot of sources ( that I will not reveal) that sig offers do not work.


    A couple of guys actually claimed to buying a lot of sig offers and never even made a dollar.

    It brings me to question if these things are actually designed to work. Will someone actually reveal their method of making money if it is an actual gold mine? Even if it is a goldmine, could it be possibly that cheap?

    Please correct me if I am wrong but most of the stuff just seem like rehashes and slight twists to old methods.

    I have personally tried two sig offers and none of them worked. I spent time going through some reviews of other sig offers that are actually supposed to help you make money but never saw anyone claiming to "make money", Just claiming that the idea is original, the person is to be trusted, or something other than actually making money.
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    One does not have to look at "WSOs" to realize the problem. There are plenty of guides, books, autobiographies, exposes, white papers, etc. about how someone has made money or accomplished something. Does that mean by reading it or trying to do the same someone is guaranteed the same level of success? Of course not. Any success? Of course not.

    The expectation is unrealistic, but common, that a "WSO" means an easy paint by numbers system anyone can do, without requiring skills, time, and work, and automatically makes a boatload of money.

    The problem isn't necessarily the seller of the product.

    Example: Warren Buffet can write a book, we'll call it Warren's Special Observations ("WSO") about how to invest and make a ton of money. One can also look at the companies he invests in. Now, how many people reading and following this WSO are going to end up billionaires?

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    • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      The post lacks specifics, refers to anonymous persons, and doesn't make any sense in disparaging every WSO. Let me change "WSOs" to "books" and a word to highlight the problem:
      But I'll bet that newbie quick cash promotion in your sig works great!

      So let me change it again ...

      .

      One does not have to look at "WSOs" to realize the problem. There are plenty of guides, books, autobiographies, exposes, white papers, etc. about how someone has made money or accomplished something. Does that mean by reading it or trying to do the same someone is guaranteed the same level of success? Of course not. Any success? Of course not.

      The expectation is unrealistic, but common, that a "WSO" means an easy paint by numbers system anyone can do, without requiring skills, time, and work, and automatically makes a boatload of money.

      The problem isn't necessarily the seller of the product.

      Example: Warren Buffet can write a book, we'll call it Warren's Special Observations ("WSO") about how to invest and make a ton of money. One can also look at the companies he invests in. Now, how many people reading and following this WSO are going to end up billionaires?

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      kindsvater - just answered it all.

      I have heard from quite a handful of people in another forums that said the WSO section/ebooks have helped in sharpening their IM knowledge.

      They only said, knowledge and not money.

      Believe me, there are also a good number of people that have made money from direct WSO guide and/or even built a real business from it.

      Okay, let's not go too far.

      I started IM back in 2001 and never made any reasonable income out of it for over 3 years.

      Along the line, i found "the plugin profit site" by Stone Evans that promised heaven on earth in 30 days. I subscribed, read the ebook back to front and front to back and applied everything yet nothing. It wasn't until 5 month that i made my first sale. After then many other sales came in but it wasn't something i could rely on.

      The nutshell is, i got to understand 65% of IM from just that ebook alone and i was glad i came across that piece of information. It was a goldmine to me. It laid the foundation of my career.

      And how i was able to take my IM career further by interacting with other affiliates promoting that same ebook. There were 3 ladies named Suzzane, Cythnia, i can't remember the third. They were really nice and told me some key things that still work till this very day.

      They said, if i want to make money as an affiliate i need to drive 15,000+ targeted monthly visitors.

      Whatever product you are promoting, you need targeted visitors and a converting landing page. The method will only vary slightly for different business models.

      The reason why i didn't make good income from Plugin Profit Site was because i was receiving sufficient traffic. Though the ebook may have stated how to go about that but sometimes we just have to go extra miles or be extra-ordinarily witty and work our way up.

      The moment i was able to drive some targeted traffic i started getting sales but i later quit because i couldn't stand the MMO niche competition. But it does work!!

      I wish you all the best!
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  • Profile picture of the author heruma
    Not all WSO are created equals, there are some product creators who are very helpful and has become good friends of mine. Some are just lousy.

    A lot of people jump on board of Internet Marketing because of these Highlight :
    - High School Drop Out makes $xx,xxx. overnight.
    - The lazy method of earning money.
    - 4 hour work per week.
    - Fire your boss next month...
    etc...

    What I can tell you about Internet Marketing are:
    1. It is just like any other business, it needs a lot of work to be done.
    2. What work for others might not work for you. Even if you replicate him/her step by step, there is no guarantee you can replicate his success.
    3. You have to keep learning because the internet marketing is keep changing, but the basic rules are still the same.
    4. Give values to your customers. Keynote : you have to know what your customers perceived as value.
    5. Grow your Network, be careful who you are networking with.
    6. Read business magazines or your niche magazine.

    If you find yourself keep buying one WSO after another, my advice to you is "Keep Calm, give your credit cards to your mother in law."
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    • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
      I have thinking of this...

      WSO is more sold , talk among ourselves ..

      we are like selling to one another here...


      i also " suspect some WSO it might be not work anymore "

      I also feel those successful ones will not fully share it ...

      is like business..I found a gem and I go tell everyone and in the end i didn't earn ..

      hmm ...

      but there are some seller really want to help fellow IM here success. No doubt about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author bb255
    As they say: Never reveal all that you know.

    This applies to WSO's, e-books and online courses. Can't expect to learn everything, it's all about personal trial & error and finding your own effective methods.
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
    I'm wondering what you would consider the difference to be between a WSO and the offer in your signature... The offer in your sig isn't listed as a WSO, but it might as well be since it's the same thing...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jennifer Hutson
    Originally Posted by Tariqsal View Post

    The things I have read about WSO's can not be ignored anymore.
    I have heard from a lot of sources ( that I will not reveal) that WSO's do not work.


    A couple of guys actually claimed to buying a lot of WSO's and never even made a dollar.

    It brings me to question if these things are actually designed to work. Will someone actually reveal their method of making money if it is an actual gold mine? Even if it is a goldmine, could it be possibly that cheap?

    Please correct me if I am wrong but most of the stuff just seem like rehashes and slight twists to old methods.

    I have personally tried two WSO's and none of them worked. I spent time going through some reviews of other WSO's that are actually supposed to help you make money but never saw anyone claiming to "make money", Just claiming that the idea is original, the person is to be trusted, or something other than actually making money.
    Of course some WSOs will be bad. And yes, there are a lot of noobs who rehash the same info because they've been taught by other inexperienced marketers that it's a good idea.

    Same as an inexperienced marketer probably taught you it was a good idea to use a "How A Newbie Went From..." link in your sig.

    However, that does NOT mean "all WSOs don't work," which is the sweeping generalization you've just made.

    Not all WSOs are info products. There are plenty of high-quality WSOs that sell software, graphics, PLR packages, etc. that are very helpful for many of us, here. And there are also plenty of good IM WSOs.

    Many are overhyped, but once you've been around for a while, it's easy to spot which ones are quality products and which ones are crap. It really is just a matter of being more experienced.

    And if you do get a bad one, you can just refund. It's really simple. No need to make a sweeping generalization that ALL WSOs are bad. That's highly unfair.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrentSkillHD
    The truth is the majority of you not making money, are simply just lazy & expecting push button profits. Building a business online is just that, a business so treat it as one. The issue is most people are expecting to get rich in a day off of "tricks" & "secretes".

    Do yourself a favor & do your due diligence. Get the skills you need to succeed & then take action, stop reading and just DO.

    /rant over
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    • Profile picture of the author Smeltzer
      Originally Posted by BrentSkillHD View Post

      The truth is the majority of you not making money, are simply just lazy & expecting push button profits. Building a business online is just that, a business so treat it as one. The issue is most people are expecting to get rich in a day off of "tricks" & "secretes".

      Do yourself a favor & do your due diligence. Get the skills you need to succeed & then take action, stop reading and just DO.

      /rant over
      Yes we can not blame the WSO's putting that in there head now can we. No they are completely innocent. :/ So fail.

      I understand you want to look like a hero here but there was a very very big problem here. Freelancer has cleaned it up and is cleaning it up but there is still a long way to go. People still push products claiming easy profits. Let me be honest if anything claims it is really THAT easy bells and whistles go off in my head. Yet new people do not see this.

      Do not blame someone for thinking that something was as advertised only to find out that they where bait and switched.

      Jeesh talk about victim blaming...
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    I'll give you my two cents, Tariqsal . . .

    The WSO section needs cleaning up.

    I acquire as much information as I can. I even have a team set up for this purpose. The majority of the information comes from my own ideas and testing, but being in the information trade myself, it's imperitive that I know as much as possible and keep abreast of any new ideas that are good.

    In my personal experience, not talking here about what I've read others say (so, in other words, no heresay), WSOs tend to be of low quality. You're quite right, again on the whole, in many of your assertions. Someone like me can tell - a mile off - information that is guess work, rehashed, tweaks to old ideas, or plain rubbish intended to appeal to newbies. And all that represents the vast majority of WSOs; again, in only my own experience.

    Are all WSOs bad?

    Not at all. I've acquired some killer knowledge from the WSO section and I personally know some sellers who do put out high-end information.

    Can the problem be resolved?

    Absolutely. If I ran things, this is what I'd do:

    1. Review copies to experienced board admin.
    2. Impartial and extensive review notes from said admin.

    If you take the above approach, the onus is on WF to stamp their approval on information. Freelancer paid $3.2 million for WF. They're not about to hurt business by misleading their members.

    And, finally, to address your other question: "Will someone actually reveal their method of making money if it is an actual gold mine?"

    In a word: Yes.

    I began working online 21 years ago. In all that time, I've dedicated myself to education. Learning as much as possible about every aspect of this business. Anyone who knows me here will know that I have quite a few strings to my bow. One minute, I'm engaging in PPC, the next I'm developing apps or designing 3D products in virtual worlds or putting together logos or Facebook covers, so on, so on, so on. Question is...Why would I ever sell knowledge?

    If a system, model, method cannot be saturated, or will not be saturated, then I will sell it.

    Let's say I can earn $2,000 a day from one blueprint. If I can earn that $2,000 a day and sell the information for even $1 without it ever being saturated, then I'm earning more. Of course, I need to be able to sell the knowledge with opportunity cost in mind, too. That's where writing the information down once and selling it comes in.

    The above paragraph describes all of the good WSOs.

    The seller can make more money by using what he knows and selling what he knows on certain blueprints, because he also knows that the information cannot be saturated, and thus the monemaking ability cannot be diluted.

    I think I gave you 3 cents, but nevermind.

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  • Profile picture of the author Nytshade
    I believe that there's no Crap or BS course out there, maybe a few hehe...

    But people try something once or twice and say it doesn't work. So threads like this to me reveal pure laziness or someone who just wants something that is easy. You need to understand that whatever strategy that you were taught won't work the 1st, 2nd, 3rd. 4th or even 5th time you try it.

    You just want to try it today and make millions by tomorrow, FORGET, that will never happen. It took me almost 2 years to start making a stable income online. The key is to never give up and keep trying the technique in different ways.

    Instead of complaining you could just open a thread that say "this is what I did but I'm not getting any results, so what am I missing?" or something similar to that. Then you would have been in a better position to get your business up and running like the way you want it to.

    Buying 2 courses will never guarantee that you'll make money. I even lost count of how many courses I've bought and I can't complain because in each and every course I learnt a thing or 2 that help me improve my business. So you're complaining after buying 2 courses that shows that you're someone who wants an easy way out and you give up easily. You lack a Warrior's spirit!

    With that kind of mindset, you'll never make it, PERIOD!
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  • Profile picture of the author DanPE
    To answer your questions :

    (1) Yes, if doing so does not hurt their method, or might actually help

    (2) Cheap is relative. it depends on what you mean by "cheap".
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  • Profile picture of the author Ayawa
    Originally Posted by Tariqsal View Post


    It brings me to question if these things are actually designed to work. Will someone actually reveal their method of making money if it is an actual gold mine? Even if it is a goldmine, could it be possibly that cheap?
    That's the point where you need the brain. How? it allows you to convert any cheap crap into goldmine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roderick Gardner
    Does WSO work ? You need to TAKE ACTION! always look who the product creator is , can you contact them (facebook group ) is there support and again TAKING ACTION is key to any success
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  • Profile picture of the author tudexo
    Originally Posted by Tariqsal View Post

    The things I have read about WSO's can not be ignored anymore.
    I have heard from a lot of sources ( that I will not reveal) that WSO's do not work.


    A couple of guys actually claimed to buying a lot of WSO's and never even made a dollar.

    It brings me to question if these things are actually designed to work. Will someone actually reveal their method of making money if it is an actual gold mine? Even if it is a goldmine, could it be possibly that cheap?

    Please correct me if I am wrong but most of the stuff just seem like rehashes and slight twists to old methods.

    I have personally tried two WSO's and none of them worked. I spent time going through some reviews of other WSO's that are actually supposed to help you make money but never saw anyone claiming to "make money", Just claiming that the idea is original, the person is to be trusted, or something other than actually making money.
    First of all WSOs or other info products for that matter are not supposed to make you rich. You pay for the information - not for the supposed "spoon feeding". So, if you expect a WSO to make you money, you are running after "magic bullets" and you'd always end up being unhappy and unsuccessful.

    It doesn't matter what claims are being made by the seller. Claiming is part of any kind of marketing and IM is no different. Your expectations need to change.

    There have been many good WSOs here and of course there's some trash too. If I end up learning even a single thing after buying a WSO I consider my money well spent.

    So, why do people sell WSOs if they really work?
    It's just another business model. Don't underestimate the power of WSOs. There are products that sell by bucket loads and its a profitable business. Just because someone is selling method doesn't mean it's crap!

    Some people expect to make money after buying a method. That's the wrong way of looking at it. Your school teacher can give you chemistry 101 lessons, but not every student in the class would top in chemistry, right? It all boils down to how "YOU" treat the info in the WSO.

    Lastly, you need to get your facts right before posting here. The forum has cracked down on WSOs with income claims and they no longer allow that based on FTC guidelines. That is one of the reasons why even reviewers cannot make income claims.

    P.S - Why does this look more of a link dropping thread to me...especially with the mods removing those signature links and the thread itself with so many wrong facts?
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  • Profile picture of the author jfalxr
    The problem with informational products in WSOs, the result will vary for each person..

    There are many shiny object there..
    So in my 2 cents, purchase WSO that are really targeted and suits your marketing needs and will solve problems you are facing in your business..

    Some WSOs are just a twist from the existing one.. I have purchased several of them, and to be honest maybe only 2 or 3 that I found really useful..
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Burritt
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    I look at WSOs kinda like paid education. College, even online courses, are expensive. WSOs are cheap by that comparison.

    Now, I don't want to waste money and time either; but unfortunately it does happen sometimes. But even that can add up to life experience. There's no such thing as an over night success. And even a wso that didn't work can still be helping you eventually find what does work for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by Jeff Burritt View Post

      I look at WSOs kinda like paid education. College, even online courses, are expensive. WSOs are cheap by that comparison.

      Now, I don't want to waste money and time either; but unfortunately it does happen sometimes. But even that can add up to life experience. There's no such thing as an over night success. And even a wso that didn't work can still be helping you eventually find what does work for you.
      Great point. Was every course in college great? No.

      However, unlike college courses which are categorized by experience: such as 100 level is an entry level course, 400 is for seniors ready to push into the world, and 500 is masters level, with a "WSO" there is no categorization. Most are going to be targeted for entry level marketers because, frankly, that is where the market is.

      You also never know when you will find gold nuggets. I once paid over $2000 for some IM software and bonus marketing reports. I tossed the software after a month or so and never used it again. Loss of money? Hardly. The software got me so excited I found an ever better solution and then developed my own in-house version.

      The bonuses I skimmed over, then went back and read, and one paragraph on one page I read a third time. One paragraph I thought about, tested a few ideas, and then leveraged it into $100k over the next year.

      It's information and what you do with it is up to you. Even if you realize a tactic in a report is not for you and you may never use it, you now know about it and you never know when it can be applied somewhere else, or combined with something else you learn to create something new.

      My view is if someone has actually done something then I'm interesting in reading about it.

      If someone is making it up, outsourcing a report that is ghostwritten, or spending an hour writing generic glop from some stuff they read online, then I'm unhappy.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      If you read the WSOs as well as you read the signature rules here - you might have gotten more out of them. Just sayin...

      YOU might be wasting time on WSO's....maybe others are making better decisions when they choose WSO's and working more diligently to learn from what they buy.

      ...and, in my opinion, that's about all the answer this thread deserves
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    Most WSO's are just cash grabs by the person selling it. Chances are pretty high that most of the people selling "how to make money online" WSO's have never actually used the methods they teach to make money.

    There's even WSO's that teach "how to make a WSO in 2 hours" or some bull like that. It's just constant information regurgitation.
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  • Profile picture of the author voldamort
    yes most of the wso works its just that how much effort you put into it the way it gives you information . like i bought seo plugin wordpress and it is working so you should be clever enough to buy wso that suits you or they give money back guarantee .
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  • Profile picture of the author sonofGod
    Originally Posted by Tariqsal View Post

    The things I have read about WSO's can not be ignored anymore.
    I have heard from a lot of sources ( that I will not reveal) that WSO's do not work.


    A couple of guys actually claimed to buying a lot of WSO's and never even made a dollar.

    It brings me to question if these things are actually designed to work. Will someone actually reveal their method of making money if it is an actual gold mine? Even if it is a goldmine, could it be possibly that cheap?

    Please correct me if I am wrong but most of the stuff just seem like rehashes and slight twists to old methods.

    I have personally tried two WSO's and none of them worked. I spent time going through some reviews of other WSO's that are actually supposed to help you make money but never saw anyone claiming to "make money", Just claiming that the idea is original, the person is to be trusted, or something other than actually making money.
    I appreciate your comments and there is some element of truth in what you have said. However there are lots of marketers with a reputation to protect and if you buy from them and take action you will be successful. It is however sometimes that you are patient and continue to persevere even when it is tough.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeac
    Most WSO's dont work, but there are some golden WSO's I have bought in the past that is actually been worth its weight in gold. I will tell you this though, the courses that claim that they can get you rich overnight or with a few clicks of a button are nonsense, and you should avoid them like the plague. The WSO's ive purchased that have made me money has always stated up front that "if you are looking to get rich overnight, then this course is NOT for you" and "If you want to build a longterm BUSINESS, then you should get this".

    Always keep a lookout for those 2 phrases and you will find the gems. Also try and buy from reputable sellers that have a track record for releasing quality products. The ones that have a solid track record cant afford to screw it up by releasing crap to the marketplace.
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    You *might* be wasting money on WSOs.

    Well jeepers, you *might* be wasting XYZ on whatever ABC you are considering.

    I personally think the vast majority of folks use WSO buying as retail therapy. Just like folks who want to lose weight will buy $100s of exercise/dieting equipment to make them *feel* better about their future goals.

    And that's okay. Actually taking control of your future and *changing your present* takes guts.

    It takes courage.

    Buying WSOs/dieting aids/confidence thingees/etc.etc.etc. give the buyer a quick easy high. It fills an entertainment need.

    Not everyone is capable of being serious about making money online - everyone has their own particular timetable. And *until* that perfect time for action is reached.... buying WSOs fills a need of "in the future, I'll be prepared to reach my goal!"

    Of COURSE WSOs work... *if* you open your mind and take whatever positive ideas you find and then *gasp!* apply them.

    You probably find gems in just about any WSO. It could be a technique, it could be an idea sparked...

    It could be you learning an idea simply by the sales copy itself. For example, a current WSO is paying for a seat at a webinar where the product creator will tell attendees his future direction. Given he's a superb marketer, I'd expect there will be an upsell at the end.

    What a *technique*! And it's a technique anyone can weave into their own business. BAM. A workable idea and it cost you nothing except simply reading the sales page and understanding what the product is.

    Here's another example. Let's say a WSO is released that gathers up bunches of marketing resources and puts them one page and sells that one page for anywhere between 97 cents to $4.00 or so.

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    I have released 1 page cheatsheets about the above (and more). 4 of them have brought in over 1K of profit *each*.

    That's one thousand dollars.

    Think outside the box! Think around the problem! Instead of complaining that "WSOs don't work", instead, use that brain of yours and *watch* and *learn* and then *do*.

    You own your success. Or your lack of success. Or anything in between.

    Hope that helps!
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