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If you feel bad promoting something then don't promote it and find something you feel good about promoting..

OK?

I think you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. Cheap crap sold cheap to gullible people. Such efforts tar the entire industry, yet there is apparently nothing anybody can do about it.

I won't promote anything I don't believe in.

Period.

The P.S. example is just a weak attempt at scarcity. I ignore it.

I have been hearing a lot lately from people promoting these products and have to agree with George many individuals are experiencing the same issues.

I don't know about you tjcal but I like to be able to look at myself each day and hope to benefit others many of these products are only setup to scam others and if this does not slow down the powers to be are going to put measures against this and we will no longer be able to market as freely as we do anymore

Ed

I like **** berry and started a site for it. This was when I was new to affiliate marketing. I signed up to sell it with one of the companies mentioned above. Then while doing research for an article I found out about the bogus credit card charges etc. Happily I found out before I sold any. Of course I should have researched it more to begin with but I was very new and had no idea that people would rip others off like that. Its disgraceful.

As soon as I saw that, I went looking for another **** berry product. Now I have one on my site that is a one time charge, 60 day refund and its a reasonable charge. And the **** berry is excellent quality.

I would not be able to sleep at night knowing I was promoting something that was ripping off people. You have to treat the consumer like you want to be treated.

I dont care how much money I could have made.....its a disgrace to sell products like that. Selling it encourages the blood sucking companies that are ripping off consumers.

On a side note the affiliate company wrote me and said they were discontinuing me because I hadn't sold anything through them. I wrote and told them their product was ripping off consumers. They still carry it.

Stephen there are some legitimate trial offers out there...but you need to verify that before selling them. In addition to checking online, I call the company and see if I can get an actual person and what kind of response I get. With many bogus offers you cant get through to anyone or they hang up on you etc. Also the trial starts on the day the order was placed...not good.

That may be so...but some things are DEFINITELY SCAMS
and bogus credit card charges are one of them.

Bogus offers are a disgrace and put a bad name on affiliate marketing.

Nothing anyone can say justifies putting poor quality, bogus offers out there knowing they rip off the consumer ....no matter how much money you will make. It is a disgrace.

Dont get me fired up on this

Even though the majority of us are sick to death of these lines in the sales letter/email there are a few that would fall for it and it those that they make the money from. I have seen these messages for years and it must work because otherwise they would have learnt from it and changed their sales chitchat.

kind regards


sam
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What about the other side - all the PPC marketers advertising "{Insert Clickbank Product Name} Scam?

Then they direct link to the offer page. Or, their landing page has nothing to do with their suggestion that the product is a scam.

I'd like to see some data on a split test or something for this type of campaign, because I just can't see how framing your potential lead with "scam" on their minds, then sending them through to an order page - I just can't see how that converts well.

When I first promote one of my own products I will usually set a number to sell at the introductory price .

The difference is if I say only 100 for $xx.xx then at 100 the price goes up.

Marketers should say what they mean and mean what they say . Contrary to popular opinion a lot of us do .

That is like the counter scripts that a lot of people are using . I go back and check a lot of those and they always start counting again. Those marketers don't get my business.

if I go back to the page and it is gone ... they may have lost that sell but when they run something else I want ... I buy from them.

I know what you mean. I was promoting colon cleansing and wrinkle creams for a long time.

The companies that were scams went out of business and the companies that really offered high quality products stuck around.

Every time a bad company went under I had to replace it...what a waste of time. This meant that I had to find a new product, replace all links, review this new product, and so forth and so on... No to mention the fact that search engines were sending traffic to pages I had to destroy.

It's a good lesson... Choose your affiliates wisely.

Thanks,

George

If you want your colon cleaned out it's real simple to do.

Eat about a dozen dried prunes and drink a 12oz glass of prune juice.

It will not be long until you will have your colon cleaned out and unable to even leave the toilet for a while.

@OP George (two Georges in this thread)

There seems to be two things going on in your post:

1. copywriting lies
2. scam products

dsmpublishing makes a really valid point about the efficacy of certain things (like scarcity - fake or otherwise), but this doesn't mean it's necessarily true. It may be that people are just copying something because they assume it to be true. There's only one clear answer: test it.

But... that then leads on to the second point. If you're expressly not okay with fake scarcity (or any of the other crapola you read on salesletters), why would you even test it? Surely, you'd just not do it!

To Hell with whether it makes you more money. You'd just not do it... right? :confused:

I also agree wholeheartedly with Troy_Phillips.

And this thing about not even bothering to test something shonky leads us onto...

Point #2

A number of people have already pointed out that if you think the product is a scam, then you shouldn't promote it.

AffiliateMax's post is worth re-reading in my opinion.

Yes, it'd be nice for BigCompanyXYZNanny to make sure it's all safe and that I don't have to worry, but at the end of the day, I'm the one who's legally liable and morally three sheets to the wind by promoting stuff such as that which you mention.

At least one person who has already posted in this thread either doesn't get that -- or patently chooses to ignore it as simply an annoying impediment to making as much cashola as possible. I don't imagine I'll be buying anything from that person any time soon.

LilBlackDress's first post bear re-reading also.

It never ceases to amaze me the way people will shaft others to make a few bucks (no, correction: It's sometimes vast sums of money) and then try to construct some kind of rational justification or "special circumstances" loophole for themselves.

If you're promoting a program that must be ripping people off in order to turn a profit, and you are fully aware of that but choose to turn a blind eye, then you are -- by extension -- also a scammer. And you should be prosecuted to the full extent that the law permits.

It doesn't matter how much you prettify it and rationalise it. If you're promoting stuff which has hidden recurring billing, the inability to turn off recurring billing short of going to the credit card company, could potentially mess with someone's health or mental well-being, etc. then you are **deep breath** not doing right in the world. (I elected to edit my original ending to that sentence.)

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TheNightOwl

For people who have seen this letter several times would automatically think its a scam, but for first timers, and i think that's who they are targetting would definitely fall for it.

There are unscrupulous people in every industry sector and unfortunately the internet is a great medium to get to the guilable. It is a shame but conduct as much research as possible. If you are thinking of promoting an affiliate product buy it yourself and check out the service etc.

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There are unscrupulous people in every industry sector and unfortunately the internet is a great medium to get to the guilable.
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Yes, but the point is...those "unscrupulous" people/offers are the #1 promoted and hyped offers in MOST big CPA networks. And the best converting with the best EPC/earnings. Talk about colon cleanse, ****....etc.

jay, nice site. If i make enough money i get one of those..but marbella seems to be a very expensive place. Toying with the idea to move to southern spain..and then do IM from the pool <----

Hi Amitcor,

I'm seeing SEO quake icons at the bottom of your posts -

I think its this thread is interesting, most of you need to have a little more faith then you do in the internet as a whole. First of all the internet isn't just gonna collapse from spam. If you pay attention you will see google is already starting to change around its algorythm to weed out the more spammy sites that do not offer solid information. The spammy sites and scammy products will never stick around too long.

The only reason why a cpa network does business with these "scam products" is because most do not care. If you hang out at ********** forum then you will get a way better idea of affiliate marketing when it comes to cpa networks. They have the owners of ads4dough and several other top cpa networks that answer questions daily from its affiliates and that will give you alittle more insite on what kind of advertisers they pick up.

And lastly to cover the legimitcy of most of the **** products is that they do not work that well. See if you read up on **** berry you will see that the extract form is very weak and has barley any antioxidents, which is the whole basis of the plant. The only way to keep it pure is to freeze dry it and extract the berry that way.

Hope that helps