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$100 a day should be the MINIMUM goal for first year IMer. MINIMUM.

by gjabiz
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One year after starting your IM venture, you should be pulling in a minimum of 100 bux a day.

You should be at 40 bux a day at the end of 90 days, or over 14,000 your first year. Are you? Why not if you've been at it for a few months?

Yea, I know about Shiny Objects, greener pastures and commitment to ONE thing. I also know (after 30 years of online activity) most people do not set up sustainable goals. Some Warriors were at a 100 grand a year, got a
Google slap and came back to the forum begging for help.

HOW do you make 100 bux a day, and how do you make it grow? I'll tell you.

First thing is mindset and the chasing of money. Don't do it.
Why? It is a foundation built on sand. A better way?

Find a way to HELP people get what they want, but don't help them build their castles on someone else' beach, like Google or Facebook, where a "slap" (a change of TOS or methods) could easily wipe you out.

$40 bux a day in 90 days, first realistic goal. HOW?

FIVE ways
1-Sell one product a day for 40 bux
2-Sell two products a day for 20 dollas
3-Sell three products a day for 13.35
4-Sell four products a day for 10
5-Sell 8 a day for 5 bux.

Real EXAMPLES:
Many Warriors have easily sold 8 items a day via their WSO offer. It would NOT be spectacular if you sold 100 items for 5 dollars, it has been done routinely for years.

But, some can't even give away their stuff and when they do they end up creaing a list of freebie seekers who never (or hardly ever) become customers.

The reason, in 30 years of experience and having sold tens of thousands of dollars of products, for so much failure is

YOU put YOU before your customer.

You want to make money. You want this, that and IM success, but you provide very little value to the marketplace, where billions of dollars exchanges hands every day.

Your FOCUS is on your bank, and although you may have some temporary success and even become a coach, like some Warriors who got put down by Google Panda and other adjustments to THEIR business, you may become a forum beggar.

You may not accept this, or believe it, but your fortunes take a turn when you think first of your customer, and in providing quality, service, fair pricing and commitment to their wants, needs and desires...

THEY are your golden ticket to YOUR success.

gjabiz

PS. Most of the how to is readily available here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Antares330
    Awesome Post! Awesome Goals!

    A quote from Zig Ziggler (I think I spelled it right)

    "You can have anything in the world, if you help enough people get what they want"
    (that's from memory, so I might have miss worded it)
    Thanks for the post gjabiz!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

    . . . your fortunes take a turn when you think first of your customer, and in providing quality, service, fair pricing and commitment to their wants, needs and desires...

    Nice post Gordon,

    I would only add . . .

    You've got to be persistent and stick with it. Sometimes new business owners expect to be making money right out of the gate and if it doesn't happen they think they are in the wrong niche, their product doesn't measure up, or they are a failure at marketing.

    In most cases, it takes a little time to get online business traction!

    Remember, you are a business marketer. You need to market, promote, advertise, toot your own horn, broadcast your message, step up and be heard! You've got to find prospects and make sales! If you build it, they will come does not apply to Internet marketing. Most new business owners give up too soon.

    The very best to you all,

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    • Profile picture of the author kilgore
      Steve you're exactly right that persistence is super important -- and that it takes time to get online business traction. That said, I think gjabiz is also right that realistic goals are important so that when you're being persistent (as so many advise) you're actually riding a winner and not just persistently doing the wrong thing over and over again.

      Unfortunately, because it can take so long to gain traction -- even with a winning business model -- it can be difficult for newbies to tell when they're on the right track and so need to simply continue doing what they're doing, and when their lack of success has more systemic causes, causes that indicate that they may need to make significant adjustments or rethink their business models entirely.

      To that end, I think monetary reward is generally not the best metric of early success. To really make money, you've got to put together a complete package: product, traffic, positioning, sales page, etc. Get just one of these wrong and you'll likely not meet whatever goals you've set. But if you've say got everything right, but you still haven't figured out how to drive traffic, you don't want to just abandon your idea or completely rethink your strategy -- you just want to work on getting more traffic. Thus, I think it's more helpful to break down goals into specific areas, such as traffic and conversions rather than having your goals focus around money, which by its nature rolls all these goals into one.
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      • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
        I'm going to disagree while agreeing.

        Huh?

        It does NOT take long to gain traction, IF, it is a well thought out plan of action. Added to continuous and focused effort.

        Success from persistence is mostly anecdotal as we see here on a daily basis.
        It doesn't have to take a long time when there is a REAL blueprint which acknowledges the individual...that is, we all can't do or behave exactly as others have.

        I think a newbie NEEDS, nay, MUST have some quick monetary success which provides more motivation.

        From my perspective, it goes to planning...which comes from THINKING through the project before one begins, to see the rough spots, the weaknesses of an idea.

        But there are NO rules on speed. IT happens as fast as you make it happen.

        Consider you can reach tens of thousands and even millions of potential customers in a matter of minutes, via social media and even here with thousands of prospects.

        Learning curves? well yea, of course. But just persistence alone could lead to frustration and years of time wasted.

        That being said, I've seen more persistence from those that have quick success and have learned to build on it.

        I agree, this post is right on. Except, when I don't agree.

        gjabiz


        Originally Posted by kilgore View Post



        Unfortunately, because it can take so long to gain traction -- even with a winning business model -- it can be difficult for newbies to tell when they're on the right track and so need to simply continue doing what they're doing, and when their lack of success has more systemic causes, causes that indicate that they may need to make significant adjustments or rethink their business models entirely.

        To that end, I think monetary reward is generally not the best metric of early success. To really make money, you've got to put together a complete package: product, traffic, positioning, sales page, etc. Get just one of these wrong and you'll likely not meet whatever goals you've set. But if you've say got everything right, but you still haven't figured out how to drive traffic, you don't want to just abandon your idea or completely rethink your strategy -- you just want to work on getting more traffic. Thus, I think it's more helpful to break down goals into specific areas, such as traffic and conversions rather than having your goals focus around money, which by its nature rolls all these goals into one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    I'm happy that some seem inspired but the whole thing seems
    a little arbitrary and superficial to me.

    I completely disagree that the reason some don't succeed is
    because they're self centered. I know a whole lot of self centered
    people who have made lots of money.

    The basic reason people don't succeed is simple... lack of skills...
    followed by a lack of willingness do what's required on a consistent
    daily basis.

    You want the formula for success? Here it is...

    Learn the skills necessary to become successful at whatever it is
    you want to become successful at then apply those skills on a consistent
    daily basis... period... it's that simple.
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    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
      Glad you're happy, but your SIMPLISTIC formula is wrong.

      Skills can be cheaply bought. Learn how to THINK first, that is the formula for success.

      gjabiz

      PS. Real self centered powerhouses almost always use someone else' skills.


      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      I'm happy that some seem inspired but the whole thing seems
      a little arbitrary and superficial to me.

      I completely disagree that the reason some don't succeed is
      because they're self centered. I know a whole lot of self centered
      people who have made lots of money.

      The basic reason people don't succeed is simple... lack of skills...
      followed by a lack of willingness do what's required on a consistent
      daily basis.

      You want the formula for success? Here it is...

      Learn the skills necessary to become successful at whatever it is
      you want to become successful at then apply those skills on a consistent
      daily basis... period... it's that simple.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        For many of us it definitely took longer than a year to make $100 a day.

        If you use this as a metric then you are setting yourself up for failure.

        I can name countless and countless number of very successful marketers that took a year to even make a consistent profit and sometimes longer than that.

        I got out of the gate fairly quickly and started earning a profit after about a Month.

        But if someone starts earning $5 day for first six months then after a year starts earning $25 a day and then after another 6 months starts earning $50 I say keep going they are on the right track.

        What really should be looked at is the month over month, year over year increase PERCENTAGE wise in their Earnings.

        To come up with this Absolute figure of $100 / day MINIMUM within a year is not a good barometer to asses your progress


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        • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
          Golf has a metric for improvement, PAR. You are right, IM has no "set" metric, so indeed, a 100 dollar a day IS arbitrary. So what?

          But as you say, ONE gets to set their own metric for THEIR success, right? For some, a 100 bux would be total failure.

          So, what METRIC if any do you suggest?

          What do you offer to the forum as a "good barometer" for an individual's success? I chose 100 because it is one of the most sought after figures at this forum, but, I welcome anyone else who has a metric we can use, OK?

          gjabiz

          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          For many of us it definitely took longer than a year to make $100 a day.

          If you use this as a metric then you are setting yourself up for failure.

          I can name countless and countless number of very successful marketers that took even a year to make a consistent profit and sometimes longer that that.

          I got out of the gate fairly quickly and started earning a profit after about a Month.

          But if someone starts earning $5 day for first six months then after a year starts earning $25 a day and then after another 6 months starts earning $50 I say keep going they are on the right track.

          What really should be looked at is the month over month, year over year increase PERCENTAGE wise in their Earnings.

          To come up with this Absolute figure of $100 within a year is not a good barometer to asses your progress


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        • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
          Robert,

          Your sig file: 55 to 212 per day? TWICE the 100 bux??

          And, you use a video which offers HOARDS of 7 to 47 dollar payments?

          Certainly, Hoards is more than 3 and at 47 bux, PRESTO there is the 100 dollars a day.

          Just imagine, if back when you were struggling, if only you would have had what you are offering today, then maybe your attitude would be slightly different, NO?

          Your video says they could make money in 12 HOURS. 12 HOURS.

          So, I'm finding your post to be disingenuous, seeing as how you are offering a way to make up to 212 dollars per day.

          And note, it isn't an "absolute figure" and again, offer up your metric, or did you in your sig?

          Today, a newbie has your experience to avoid the costly mistakes you made, right?

          gjabiz

          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          For many of us it definitely took longer than a year to make $100 a day.

          If you use this as a metric then you are setting yourself up for failure.

          I can name countless and countless number of very successful marketers that took a year to even make a consistent profit and sometimes longer than that.

          I got out of the gate fairly quickly and started earning a profit after about a Month.

          But if someone starts earning $5 day for first six months then after a year starts earning $25 a day and then after another 6 months starts earning $50 I say keep going they are on the right track.

          What really should be looked at is the month over month, year over year increase PERCENTAGE wise in their Earnings.

          To come up with this Absolute figure of $100 / day MINIMUM within a year is not a good barometer to asses your progress


          - Robert Andrew
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          • Profile picture of the author discrat
            Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

            Robert,

            Your sig file: 55 to 212 per day? TWICE the 100 bux??

            And, you use a video which offers HOARDS of 7 to 47 dollar payments?

            Certainly, Hoards is more than 3 and at 47 bux, PRESTO there is the 100 dollars a day.

            Just imagine, if back when you were struggling, if only you would have had what you are offering today, then maybe your attitude would be slightly different, NO?

            Your video says they could make money in 12 HOURS. 12 HOURS.

            So, I'm finding your post to be disingenuous, seeing as how you are offering a way to make up to 212 dollars per day.

            And note, it isn't an "absolute figure" and again, offer up your metric, or did you in your sig?

            Today, a newbie has your experience to avoid the costly mistakes you made, right?

            gjabiz

            Sorry, but your obvious mistake you make about putting me under your microscope is that I NEVER EVER put a specific timeline on things concerning this


            You try to give a totally faulty counter argument by saying $212 in my Sig is twice the $100 day. But your brain fails to conceptualize why we are having this debate...
            ...Timeline, son

            Because of the ONE year standard your putting on it to make consistent $100 day !!

            NEVER, once do I EVER suggest stating in my Sales funnel that Newbies should be making $100 within a year. Of course, I think it is possible. But it can take time and I clearly infer that within my Sales funnel that it can indeed take time. And to be PATIENT



            Note: I found it very Unprofessional and very disingenuous on your part to optin in my List thru my Sig here at Warrior as a Subscriber when your intentions are far from altruistic and actually is done only to serve a point to help bolster your views on this Thread.

            Sorry that is childish and low down and really says a lot about you as a Member here
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            • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
              .Under the microscope, hardly?

              As for joining or opting in? I (as do many others) routinely opt in to see how the sales funnel is made, who is behind it, etc. I may be an old dog, but still educable and always looking to discover the latest techniques and methods.

              Why would this concern you?

              You don't know my intentions, do you, really?

              As for views, I don't care, I wrote this to be seen by ONE person, who else sees it doesn't matter.

              My "opinion" is you responded to the OP to have your sig file viewed, but I could be wrong.

              I don't get why you are protesting so much about the 100 bux a day, are you saying the people who join your program don't stand much of a chance of doing it in a year's time?

              gjabiz

              PS. Many professionals like to keep up on methodology being used, many pros opt in to all sorts of things to see what is going on, not the least bit disengenuous. And not altruistic, if you have a way to make 212 dollars a day and I can get hoards of buyers, as a marketer interested in making money, why wouldn't I opt in?

              Originally Posted by discrat View Post

              Sorry, but your obvious mistake you make about putting me under your microscope is that I NEVER EVER put a specific timeline on things concerning this

              NEVER, once do I EVER suggest stating in my Sales funnel that Newbies should be making $100 within a year. Of course, I think it is possible. But it can take time and I clearly infer that within my Sales funnel that it can indeed take time. And to be PATIENT



              Note: I found it very Unprofessional and very disingenuous on your part to optin in my List thru my Sig here at Warrior as a Subscriber when your intentions are far from altruistic and actually is done only to serve a point to help bolster your views on this Thread.

              Sorry that is low down and really says a lot about you as a Member here
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              • Profile picture of the author discrat
                Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

                Why would this concern you?


                gjabiz
                First of all, I think it is amusing really. And quite honestly flattering that you want to get so heavily involved in analyzing a lot about me and what I do

                Secondly, it is disingenuous to join someone's List here and see some of the stuff they offer then come hurriedly back (yes, within a few minutes ) and make observations which try to counter someone's post or catch them in a way that will bolster your own views and observations.

                Just silly really. Especially from someone who has been here your length of time and wanting to go to these silly extremes LOL

                I would expect it from some of the other people here but not you

                Oh well.


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                • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
                  Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                  Oh well.

                  - Robert Andrew
                  Indeed!

                  gjabiz

                  PS. What's the 1357-2 mean?
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                  • Profile picture of the author discrat
                    Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

                    PS. What's the 1357-2 mean?
                    P.P.S. With every sentence you write, the flattering just keeps building up even more and more
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                    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
                      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                      P.P.S. With every sentence you write, the flattering just keeps building up even more and more
                      OK. I posted a thread about setting a goal of making 100 bux a day after a year of effort. Seems it struck a nerve with a few of you.

                      But the ones that get my goat, are the people like you, who want to make it personal. And the guy objects to the idea of 100 bux a day, is he not the same guy who wrote:

                      How you can turn $500 into $6200 in 60 days...just like I did.

                      Your headline, not mine. 100 bux a day? Why not.

                      As for the OP, it was a lesson for newbies that instead of thinking about how they make money, think about how they could help other people, like you Robert, with your programs like the Swing Trading.

                      My intent was to get people to think about what they have to offer, and if ANYONE believes that 100 bux a day is an unrealistic goal, then, they are right, for them it would be.

                      gjabiz

                      PS. If you or the troll needs last word, have at it.
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                      • Profile picture of the author discrat
                        Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

                        OK. I posted a thread about setting a goal of making 100 bux a day after a year of effort. Seems it struck a nerve with a few of you.

                        But the ones that get my goat, are the people like you, who want to make it personal. And the guy objects to the idea of 100 bux a day, is he not the same guy who wrote:

                        How you can turn $500 into $6200 in 60 days...just like I did.

                        Your headline, not mine. 100 bux a day? Why not.

                        As for the OP, it was a lesson for newbies that instead of thinking about how they make money, think about how they could help other people, like you Robert, with your programs like the Swing Trading.

                        My intent was to get people to think about what they have to offer, and if ANYONE believes that 100 bux a day is an unrealistic goal, then, they are right, for them it would be.

                        gjabiz

                        PS. If you or the troll needs last word, have at it.
                        Gja,
                        Now you are going places to show your true colors. You are putting your foot in your mouth . And you are digging yourself a hole deeper and deeper

                        You are trying to take certain statements and somehow unethically bend them out of context to make someone else look bad.


                        How you can turn $500 into $6200 in 60 days...just like I did.
                        ( Actually it was much more than that)

                        As many people here already know this relates to my Swing Trading that I have done since 2000. That was Swing Trading Options , Calls and Puts. But mostly Calls on highly volatile Stocks like QCOM, EBAY,AMZN,SUNS

                        That is totally unrelated to IM in MMO niche and somehow you went to the extent of looking that up and trying to weave a tale which would catch my hypocrisy.

                        Sorry, your way off mark once again.

                        I guess, next you want to take a look at my Ameritrade Account now ?? Huh ?

                        Like I said that is very unethical of you taking something totally out of context as it does not relate to affiliate Marketing or Product Creation. It's just related to traders in the Stock Market, .Options, and Futures market.

                        Anyway ,here is the fact of this whole thing :

                        You made a Subject Line for this Thread that is very questionable using descriptive words like MINIMUM! That is the reason I posted. (Not to see my Sig like you so falsely say. My track record speaks for itself here at WF )

                        To show how silly (particularly using adjectives like MINIMUM ) the premise of your Subject line is I will use a scenario:
                        Conversation to a member on my List :
                        " Hey Rob I started making $30 a day after 3 months of time. I studied and put the principles to use. I did get sidetracked with some personal matters with my office job. But after 12 months I took that $30 a day and managed to progress to $ 83 a day.

                        My response : Sorry, that is not good enough. This gjabiz at Warrior said you MUST be making a MINIMUM of $100 a day in the first year. Not the first 1 1/2 year, but the first year. So just drop what you are doing and quit "'

                        See how illogical the premise of your Subject line is ? And it does not matter if you have a Sig or not.

                        I did not have a Sig til almost 1,000 Posts here and still back in the day I would make Posts that were very questionable and somewhat not well thought out.

                        Like I said you had me until "MINIMUM" ! And Yes, people can really make well over a $100 a day in a year.

                        But the 'M' word really is flawed and limiting to use and in essence it can detract those who have made jumps to $40 ,$50 in IM a day while working a full time job.

                        Now that many people are calling you on it you are getting pissed !!
                        ... and taking it personal.

                        Oh yeah I guess I am just writing this out to get my Sig exposed



                        - Robert Andrew


                        P.S. I was ready to move on but for some reason you took issue that I had the last word when it was just a friendly ribbing about flattering me. Really

                        Like I said , "oh well"

                        Proceed......
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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

        Glad you're happy, but your SIMPLISTIC formula is wrong.
        Not even in the same neighborhood with wrong.

        Skills can be cheaply bought.
        It's going to be pretty difficult to buy the skills if you don't know what
        they are or how they should be applied.

        PS. Real self centered powerhouses almost always use someone else' skills.
        And that, of course, is a whole different skill set one must learn if that's
        going to be their path to success.
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    • Profile picture of the author microscopes
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      I'm happy that some seem inspired but the whole thing seems
      a little arbitrary and superficial to me.

      I completely disagree that the reason some don't succeed is
      because they're self centered. I know a whole lot of self centered
      people who have made lots of money.

      The basic reason people don't succeed is simple... lack of skills...
      followed by a lack of willingness do what's required on a consistent
      daily basis.

      You want the formula for success? Here it is...

      Learn the skills necessary to become successful at whatever it is
      you want to become successful at then apply those skills on a consistent
      daily basis... period... it's that simple.
      Agreed.

      There are many people who have incredibly valuable products that would help many people, but the product can't be found.

      Saying "Its only 20 $5 products per day. its easy" is an incredible understatement.
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      • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
        Originally Posted by microscopes View Post

        Agreed.

        There are many people who have incredibly valuable products that would help many people, but the product can't be found.

        Saying "Its only 20 $5 products per day. its easy" is an incredibly understatement.
        I said 8 at 5 = 40.

        And it is certainly NOT an understatement. As for great products not being found, who bears that marketing mistake?

        gjabiz
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        • Profile picture of the author microscopes
          Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

          I said 8 at 5 = 40.

          And it is certainly NOT an understatement. As for great products not being found, who bears that marketing mistake?

          gjabiz
          Who?

          THOUSANDS of people.

          Creating a quality product is easy when youre an expert in the space.

          Marketing it is difficult.
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          • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
            Well, for REAL marketers, you'll find that many of them consider the market before creating a product. Do that first, the marketing is actually easy.

            There are many inventors, creators and experts who fall in love with their ideas who make marketing difficult, I'll agree to this, but, you are wrong.

            gjabiz

            Originally Posted by microscopes View Post

            Who?

            THOUSANDS of people.

            Creating a quality product is easy when youre an expert in the space.

            Marketing it is difficult.
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            • Profile picture of the author microscopes
              Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

              Well, for REAL marketers, you'll find that many of them consider the market before creating a product. Do that first, the marketing is actually easy.

              There are many inventors, creators and experts who fall in love with their ideas who make marketing difficult, I'll agree to this, but, you are wrong.

              gjabiz
              No, i'm not.

              Ask Eduardo Saverin.
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  • Profile picture of the author Al amin
    Great post. Thanks a lot. Yes $100/day is very realistic goal.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    I think failure comes down to:

    1.) Lack of Focus
    2.) Attitude
    3.) Lack of Action

    I actually wrote a blog post on it yesterday, LOL. I agree with pretty much everything you said, even with using $$ as a metric.

    My experience comes from running my own company, marketing services, web design, etc. I only recently tried making the shift online and it's an entirely different world.

    I don't think using a cash goal is a bad thing. If you have a certain financial goal, there are other metrics that you can use along the way. If you know how many visitors it takes to make X amount, then you can use basic math to figure out what would happen if you increased your traffic, started cross selling, or improving conversions.

    I think this is an excellent post.
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    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
      I agree with your 3 points on focus, attitude and action. In fact these were the points of a 1997 work I did, Before You Buy Anything.

      MY personal metric is time. Although I am skilled in doing most of my own work, it is better for me to BUY a cheap commodity of SKILL, much of that available in Warriors for Hire section.

      Dollars is a good scorecard, and what the goal is, doesn't really matter except to the person wanting to make some moolah.

      Getting paying customers for what you offer is what marketing (and much of this forum) is all about.

      Everyone can set your own MINIMUM, fair enough?

      gjabiz

      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      I think failure comes down to:

      1.) Lack of Focus
      2.) Attitude
      3.) Lack of Action

      I actually wrote a blog post on it yesterday, LOL. I agree with pretty much everything you said, even with using $$ as a metric.

      My experience comes from running my own company, marketing services, web design, etc. I only recently tried making the shift online and it's an entirely different world.

      I don't think using a cash goal is a bad thing. If you have a certain financial goal, there are other metrics that you can use along the way. If you know how many visitors it takes to make X amount, then you can use basic math to figure out what would happen if you increased your traffic, started cross selling, or improving conversions.

      I think this is an excellent post.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

    You may not accept this, or believe it, but your fortunes take a turn when you think first of your customer, and in providing quality, service, fair pricing and commitment to their wants, needs and desires...

    THEY are your golden ticket to YOUR success.
    So true... I wish I would have figured that out much sooner in my businesses.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    Great post! & Great follow ups from other posters!

    Here's something that I would like to add...

    Many marketers (new and old), even after realizing all that stuff about persistence, focus and mindset and why they are very important to your success, still struggle with this one thing...

    Belief.

    Taking consistent action (and a lot of action when you are new) doing the 'right' things is what's going to make all the difference in the world for you.

    But most people (including me when I was new) keep sabotaging their success over and over instead of doing the REAL Work that they know they should be doing.

    That lack of 'taking action' is a direct result of:

    1- Not believing in oneself.

    2- Not believing in the process

    3- Not believing in your vehicle or system.

    And lastly....

    The great majority of people trying to make more money secretly 'harbour' negative beliefs regarding money.
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    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
      Well Rory, here I DO agree with you, except...

      Maybe there is something which comes before even belief.

      In this thread alone, we've seen some knee jerk reactions to the premise, not stated as absolute fact, but presented as a possible metric to measure one's progress with their IM endeavors.

      So, many have their own EXPERIENCE to draw on, albeit a personal one which may or may not translate to the masses.

      The point, maybe it is what you bring with you...including skills, belief or knowledge and I think you're onto something re: deep seated feelings about money.

      Perhaps there is a built in governor in many IM wannabees, in play before they even think they can do something.

      My metric of 100 bux a day is an opinion which has drawn some weird responses.

      I agree BELIEF is a must go to state of mind, however, I can present several successful marketers who would argue the point, and started with great doubt, but only through results, and fairly rapid ones, did they build up to the little engine that could.

      I think before belief comes want, and a REASON for it.

      gjabiz





      Originally Posted by Rory Singh View Post

      still struggle with this one thing...

      Belief.

      Taking consistent action (and a lot of action when you are new) doing the 'right' things is what's going to make all the difference in the world for you.

      But most people (including me when I was new) keep sabotaging their success over and over instead of doing the REAL Work that they know they should be doing.

      That lack of 'taking action' is a direct result of:

      1- Not believing in oneself.

      2- Not believing in the process

      3- Not believing in your vehicle or system.

      And lastly....

      The great majority of people trying to make more money secretly 'harbour' negative beliefs regarding money.
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  • Profile picture of the author proserve
    To be successful all you need to do is....

    There are as many ways to fill in that blank as there are successful people who "know" how they got successful at..., whatever.

    Simple systems to follow that virtually guarantee small successes at the beginning are very welcome. Unfortunately many people lose their way when they fail to figure out that there really is no way around the large quantity of personal thinking, changing of attitudes, and others doing some of the hard work for some reasonable compensation.

    No Magic Beans out there other than hard work being done by someone. Sometimes the hard work is thinking, sometimes testing hundreds of similar but different sales messages.

    But once you've got "your" little system tuned well enough to turn a profit for your time, you've got a chance. And the ability to see how real money is made.

    Some of us on this forum had success sooner than others. That's great, but eventually the "successful" all come to the reality that even the "greats" like Perry Marshall, Dan Kennedy, and Jay Abraham all have to keep adapting to keep the money coming in.

    No "set and forget" in this world.

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    • Profile picture of the author dana67
      People should set their own goals and always strive for the best.
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      • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
        Originally Posted by dana67 View Post

        People should set their own goals and always strive for the best.
        I don't know what this means. It is like, "don't worry, be happy".

        In the context of the Warrior Forum, where 700,000+ people come to discuss making money, and focused online and via Internet Marketing, I would think most would bring their own goals with them. And be striving to reach them, no?

        100 dollars a day is a popular topic/question. Can it be done? Well of course.

        Can it be done in one year? That depends on the person. There is no WF rule nor IM law which says you can't do it, or do much better than this.

        It is a way to keep score of how an IMer is doing, adjusting the dollar amount to whatever the individual wants it to be.

        I've seen a LOT of striving over the years, and my opinion is, less strife and more productivity via tested and proven methods which SUIT the person.

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        • Profile picture of the author Jack Hunter
          Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

          Warrior Forum, where 700,000+ people come to discuss making mone
          Lol. WF maybe has 700k total registered accounts. Not even close to 1/10th of that are actually uniques. Not going to name names, but just recently somebody got banned for running 4 accounts to thank himself and guarantee success in replies and it was posted about elsewhere.

          Look at views per thread. Most threads don't even reach 100 views these days.

          And "$100/day after 12 months", yeah, good luck with that. Most people will not see that after half a decade, even if they try as hard as they can. That's just reality, proven by statistics.

          You mentioned that 'only 20 sales at $5'. Fiverr has 2 million active accounts. Ballpark. Go take a look at statistics on how many overworked, underpaid, quality yet working for slave wages folks there get 20 sales a day. Not many. Less than 0.1%. And thats the biggest marketplace online right now as far as options for IM newbie go.

          Trying to make it through AdSense, or whatever list one would accumulate in first year alone (unless they are investing lot more than $100/day worth of time and money (decade ago I valued my time at $65/hr, now lot more, its what my Advertising job was paying, so I see no reason to do anything else for less) in building up that business to begin with), depending on a niche is next to impossible. High paying keywords have loads of competition, low paying keywords are mostly not worth wasting time on.

          Easiest way for newbies to fail is to set goals too high. Then they will fail to meet those goals, get discouraged and quit. Or try something else from zero. And only thing that works in IM is persistence, while testing and changing things to find out what works for you and your specific audience.

          IM goals should not be expressed in dollars, but in traffic and conversions which can then be scaled up.
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          • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
            Originally Posted by Jack Hunter View Post


            And "$100/day after 12 months", yeah, good luck with that. Most people will not see that after half a decade, even if they try as hard as they can. That's just reality, proven by statistics.


            Easiest way for newbies to fail is to set goals too high. Then they will fail to meet those goals, get discouraged and quit. Or try something else from zero. And only thing that works in IM is persistence, while testing and changing things to find out what works for you and your specific audience.

            IM goals should not be expressed in dollars, but in traffic and conversions which can then be scaled up.
            Would love to source your stats, OK?

            So a dollar amount per day metric is not a good goal, then what are the metrics of TRAFFIC and CONVERSIONS one would use to measure success?

            Also, a guy who won't accept less than 65 bux per hour has a problem with 100 bux a day??. I'm not a math wiz, but that just sounds all wrong.

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            • Profile picture of the author Jack Hunter
              Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

              Would love to source your stats, OK?

              So a dollar amount per day metric is not a good goal, then what are the metrics of TRAFFIC and CONVERSIONS one would use to measure success?

              Also, a guy who won't accept less than 65 bux per hour has a problem with 100 bux a day??. I'm not a math wiz, but that just sounds all wrong.

              gjabiz
              I am highly qualified as psychiatrist. I chose to leave medicine to work for Ad agency in market research, for better pay. My options in life are not even close to options in life average person here had or will ever have. So we are not talking about me or how much I make, as that would serve no purpose. Maybe you noticed I do NOT advertise nor sell anything here. So my motives are purely altruistic.

              And i am not going to go look for links to stats for you, as I do not really care whether you specifically believe facts or not, I just want you to stop lying to newbies. You go find links to prove that complete newbies can roll into stream of $100 days, in field where majority end up putting in money into boiler room operations telling them how if they just put in few grand, and then few more, and few more ... they will never need to work again. Or into endless stream of rehashed worthless WSO's. Where they work, just to feel addiction to money making systems while making nothing.

              Internet Marketing is hard work. I know of noone, including my ex-buddy Eben Pagan, and Frank Kern, who are able to just sit back and watch money roll in without working. There are millions of people trying to make just acceptable living online, minimum wage even, and failing. I know because I read forums, I read FB groups I am a member of, and every single day there are people writing posts that they lost everything in pursuit of money.

              So to tell people that they suck if they do not make $100 a day 12 months later, thats just cruelty. Mental abuse.

              Maybe you can post proof that YOU make $100 a day, every day, and tell them everything they are doing wrong. Because you do not write like a guy who makes that. Not looking for screenshot showing one month of sales. More like consistency, past 5 years.

              Edit: And $65/hr was 10 YEARS ago. Today, I would not be interested in that amount. Inflation, experience, asset growth. I am in bit different ballpark now.
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              • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
                OK Eban's ex friend, you're right, 100 bux a day for IM is just not possible.


                Originally Posted by Jack Hunter View Post

                I am highly qualified as psychiatrist. I chose to leave medicine to work for Ad agency in market research, for better pay. My options in life are not even close to options in life average person here had or will ever have. So we are not talking about me or how much I make, as that would serve no purpose. Maybe you noticed I do NOT advertise nor sell anything here. So my motives are purely altruistic.

                And i am not going to go look for links to stats for you, as I do not really care whether you specifically believe facts or not, I just want you to stop lying to newbies. You go find links to prove that complete newbies can roll into stream of $100 days, in field where majority end up putting in money into boiler room operations telling them how if they just put in few grand, and then few more, and few more ... they will never need to work again. Or into endless stream of rehashed worthless WSO's. Where they work, just to feel addiction to money making systems while making nothing.

                Internet Marketing is hard work. I know of noone, including my ex-buddy Eben Pagan, and Frank Kern, who are able to just sit back and watch money roll in without working. There are millions of people trying to make just acceptable living online, minimum wage even, and failing. I know because I read forums, I read FB groups I am a member of, and every single day there are people writing posts that they lost everything in pursuit of money.

                So to tell people that they suck if they do not make $100 a day 12 months later, thats just cruelty. Mental abuse.

                Maybe you can post proof that YOU make $100 a day, every day, and tell them everything they are doing wrong. Because you do not write like a guy who makes that. Not looking for screenshot showing one month of sales. More like consistency, past 5 years.

                Edit: And $65/hr was 10 YEARS ago. Today, I would not be interested in that amount. Inflation, experience, asset growth. I am in bit different ballpark now.
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                • Profile picture of the author Jack Hunter
                  Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

                  OK Eban's ex friend, you're right, 100 bux a day for IM is just not possible.
                  For you it probably never will be.

                  You know, this forum used to be cool years ago. There was lot of decent folks here. Now, its like all I see is clueless newbies and guys who are lying about their success and setting up aforementioned newbies for failure.

                  100 dollars per day is nothing. Average person in USA makes something like $150-$250 a day. Even McDonalds cashiers probably make $100. Not sure what McDonalds pays but we just invested in ghetto building and rents are 900/month, $100 day is 3 grand, rent is usually around 1/3, so probably even most of the working poor make that here.

                  So problem is not making $100 a day. Its making it while doing something that does not guarantee any sort of income, that has ongoing expenses, and in a field where technology changes constantly.

                  What you wrote was basically that all person needs to do is 'stick with it' and money will flow, which simply isn't true.
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                  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
                    Originally Posted by Jack Hunter View Post

                    What you wrote was basically that all person needs to do is 'stick with it' and money will flow, which simply isn't true.
                    No Dr. Jack Hunter, you don't get to put words in my mouth. I said nothing of the sort. In fact, no one asked HOW? I said it was a goal, a minium metric a newbie should shoot for. Never said a word about money will flow, and in fact didn't advocate persistence as others did. I did and do advocate planning before action, then focused attention and adjustment as needed.

                    So feel free to render your opinion, but don't misquote me or say I basically said something that I didn't say.

                    IF you don't think it is possible, then, there you go. Maybe one or two will decide it isn't all that much money and actually go for it.

                    So, do read before you react, fair enough?

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                    • Profile picture of the author Jack Hunter
                      Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

                      No Dr. Jack Hunter, you don't get to put words in my mouth. I said nothing of the sort. In fact, no one asked HOW? I said it was a goal, a minium metric a newbie should shoot for. Never said a word about money will flow, and in fact didn't advocate persistence as others did. I did and do advocate planning before action, then focused attention and adjustment as needed.

                      So feel free to render your opinion, but don't misquote me or say I basically said something that I didn't say.

                      IF you don't think it is possible, then, there you go. Maybe one or two will decide it isn't all that much money and actually go for it.

                      So, do read before you react, fair enough?

                      gjabiz
                      I am not trying to misquote you.

                      You wrote:
                      "One year after starting your IM venture, you should be pulling in a minimum of 100 bux a day You should be at 40 bux a day at the end of 90 days, or over 14,000 your first year. Are you? Why not if you've been at it for a few months? "

                      Ok, lets try to explain this differently.

                      In order for newbie, who comprise likely 99.999% of this specific section of Warrior Forum, to actually remain motivated, they need realistic goals.I am not saying that some exceptionally talented individual could not start blogging about something that is both, popular and profitable, monetize that blog and start packing in four figures a month. Its just very unlikely.

                      A more realistic goal would be making $100 on Adsense inside of 12 months.Even that might be too high to achieve for most people starting out.

                      So maybe you can explain where did you get or how did you decide on numbers you used?

                      I have this guy I know for around 6 years who I talk to maybe 3-4 times a year, hes a very dedicated blogger, has traffic of 150,000/month, but he blogs about what he likes and its just not high paying niche. He made $31 in six years total in AdSense. While back he tried affiliating for me, but never made any sales. Due to niche hes in, list building is pointless.

                      I know another guy who tried all kinds of stuff, and only place he succeeded in making any money at all is Fiverr. And he makes maybe $1200 a month, as Top Rated Seller there. Thats top of the pyramid as far as Fiverr goes, very few have that beat. Thats in vicinity of 10 sales per day.

                      So setting goal of $3000 a month in online income, thats just, ... I am not going to say its impossible to do, I just do not see most people getting to that point. Ever. I know MMO forums like this one are where people deal in dreams, I just prefer dealing in reality and seriously helping people instead of making them happy for the moment.
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                      • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
                        Originally Posted by Jack Hunter View Post

                        I am not trying to misquote you.

                        You wrote:
                        "One year after starting your IM venture, you should be pulling in a minimum of 100 bux a day You should be at 40 bux a day at the end of 90 days, or over 14,000 your first year. Are you? Why not if you've been at it for a few months? "

                        Ok, lets try to explain this differently.

                        In order for newbie, who comprise likely 99.999% of this specific section of Warrior Forum, to actually remain motivated, they need realistic goals.I am not saying that some exceptionally talented individual could not start blogging about something that is both, popular and profitable, monetize that blog and start packing in four figures a month. Its just very unlikely.

                        A more realistic goal would be making $100 on Adsense inside of 12 months.Even that might be too high to achieve for most people starting out.

                        So maybe you can explain where did you get or how did you decide on numbers you used?

                        I have this guy I know for around 6 years who I talk to maybe 3-4 times a year, hes a very dedicated blogger, has traffic of 150,000/month, but he blogs about what he likes and its just not high paying niche. He made $31 in six years total in AdSense. While back he tried affiliating for me, but never made any sales. Due to niche hes in, list building is pointless.

                        I know another guy who tried all kinds of stuff, and only place he succeeded in making any money at all is Fiverr. And he makes maybe $1200 a month, as Top Rated Seller there. Thats top of the pyramid as far as Fiverr goes, very few have that beat. Thats in vicinity of 10 sales per day.

                        So setting goal of $3000 a month in online income, thats just, ... I am not going to say its impossible to do, I just do not see most people getting to that point. Ever. I know MMO forums like this one are where people deal in dreams, I just prefer dealing in reality and seriously helping people instead of making them happy for the moment.
                        How do you seriously help people by dealing in reality?
                        You know a guy, he doesn't make much.
                        You know Eban Pagan. He makes a ton. Maybe, there is a guy or two you don't know who is making 100 bux a day, are you saying he is extraordinary?

                        Perhaps you should get to know a few more people.

                        I, too, deal in reality, and prefer to seriously help people, just like you, perhaps we are more similar than different.

                        Two philanthropic fellows making the world a better place, one Warrior forum post at a time.

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                        • Profile picture of the author Jack Hunter
                          Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

                          How do you seriously help people by dealing in reality?
                          You know a guy, he doesn't make much.
                          You know Eban Pagan. He makes a ton. Maybe, there is a guy or two you don't know who is making 100 bux a day, are you saying he is extraordinary?

                          Perhaps you should get to know a few more people.

                          I, too, deal in reality, and prefer to seriously help people, just like you, perhaps we are more similar than different.

                          Two philanthropic fellows making the world a better place, one Warrior forum post at a time.

                          gjabiz
                          I know a LOT of people. Only they all know ME under different names Its better that way. Otherwise I receive far too many PM's begging for money, and start losing friends all over the place as whenever i invested in a 'friend' and they mess up, they hide.

                          Eben succeeded in becoming known because he feels comfortable in front of crowds. There are HUGE number of guys that started out back when me and him did who you'll never hear about, but who make lot more than him, its just that they are camera shy. Maybe you'd be surprised to know that most of the popular names people toss around here do NOT write their own stuff. They just deliver presentations. Its like Obama

                          I was saying that i know lot more people struggling, who are not going to make it, no matter what I tell them, than people who have what it takes. Its like standing on 15 meter high point to jump into the pool. You climb up there, and look down, and it looks scary. Its same thing when people need to free up enough time and invest real money into trying to make their dreams a reality. Some people will watch others do it,and do it right. Others will jump, miss, and break something. IMing is exactly same.
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                          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                            As a former engineer, I always seem to fall back on math.

                            $100 per day is $12.50 per hour if one were working a regular job with an eight hour shift. If someone were putting in the 12-15 hours they claimed, it could be less than minimum wage.

                            So how's this for a metric to use as a goal, assuming one is putting in the same effort one would to earn the like amount at a "real" job?

                            Aim to make at least minimum wage from your online efforts. The lowest minimum wage in the US I found with a quick scan was $7.25 per hour, with many states exceeding that. If you can only put in 2 hours a day, five nights a week after work, start by aiming for $15/day. If you can put in 10 hours a day, aim for $75 per day.

                            Will everyone who adopts this metric make it?

                            Obviously not. Some people bust their butts to make a living, others are content to live on the dole their entire lives. Some bust their butts and still end up broke. That's reality.

                            I never did read where Gordon said anything about 'letting the money roll in.' If you go out and get that minimum wage job, you still have to put some effort into it, even if that's just showing up.

                            Bottom line, you gotta start somewhere. If you don't have something to aim at, you'll never know if you're going in the right direction.

                            And if, after a year's focused effort, you can't make minimum wage? Sorry to sound callous, but someone has to bus tables, wash dishes, clean hotel rooms, etc. It's honest work, and you know the check will be there if you are.
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  • Profile picture of the author NeedBucksNow
    Sounds like a good goal to shoot for and the only question is if it would ever be consistant? I have heard there are some days you might not sell anything and other days where you might sell $200 or more. I guess it all really depends on the amount and quality of daily traffic that you are getting, probably your method of advertising and what you are trying to sell and a little luck. Here is a great site http://pinchofyum.com/ that includes it's monthly income if you think there is no money to be made online. They have been around for about 5 years I believe and probably have close to 700 post but it just goes to show hard work does pay off eventually
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  • Profile picture of the author Internet Trillionaire
    I just commented on another post that you won't make $10,000.00 per month online selling a $47 product alone, you need to have a deep sales funnel that offers value and transformation to your clients.

    And then some dude pm's me his payment proof that he is a top earner on maxbounty.

    So yeah there are many ways to make automated income online from reliable sources. But it is best to have your own product to sell in your own sales funnel and you pay for your traffic generation like you would have in any other conventional business.

    People get stuck in the IM niche because newbies don't want to pay for traffic to test campaigns and they refuse to use list brokers to buy buyers traffic that has bought products in their niche in the last 30 to 90 days.

    So yes their will be people who take internet marketing serious like you should any other business. And then there are the high earning one trick ponies who when their main source of income is taking away due to google's or facebook's TOS change, then they have no other online business skills to fall back on.
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  • Profile picture of the author gabelumagui
    I'm a strong believer in having goals.
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    Where I think most people go wrong isn't with what they're offering, it's due to a failure to reinvest their earnings.

    When you're first starting out, you should be putting 0% of what you make in your pocket and 100% into a growth strategy. Buy ads. Spend every penny growing the size of your audience, buying ads, etc.

    When you hit $10 per day, don't put that $300/month in the bank, buy $300 worth of ads next month. If you don't get a return on that $300, don't sweat it.. suck it up and try something different next month. Eventually you'll figure out what works for your offer, then keep doing that.

    When you get to $40 per day, that's $1,200 you can spend on advertising each month.

    When you hit $100, you can spend $3,000.

    Don't start putting money in your pocket until you're over $100.
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  • Profile picture of the author ProfitFromMyDomain
    is this thread still teaching people how to make a 100$ a day?
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Hacks
    Funny thread....I've been blogging (with a view to MMO) for over 3 months now and made jack all. Best give up and go home :-( Agree with all the anti OP posts on this thread. I think the premise was ok and don't think there was any malice behind the OP but it was just a hype, pointless post....the fact that people were thanking the poster and saying how wonderful it was...just reinforces all the counter arguments. That someone would jump on such a simple post that gives NO information whatsoever just some finger in the wind figures shows that those people are unlikely to be putting minted sales funnels together and raking in the dollar....let alone $100 a day. There's a reason 95 - or is it 97% these days - of wannabe IMers fail. Cos they thy think they can set a goal, think positive thoughts, get cracking and assume the money will come rolling in. GJaBiz...do yourself a favour and reword your post to serve your intention of encouraging people but be careful not to exclude people who don't always get it right first time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Creating Influence
      Hi there!

      I think that $100 a day after the first year is a great goal for any first time IMer.

      I have been reading some of the replies to this thread that are stating that it is impossible for people to make that kind of money through IM.

      I was recently reading an article about buying a gym franchise.

      Most people don't know this, but when you are planning out a gym, the first thing that you work out is how many yearly memberships you are going to have. Only then do you design the actual gym, and you design the gym for only 12% of yearly memberships. Only 12% of people who join the gym actually ever use the gym!

      That means that 88% of the people who join don't actually use the gym and waste their money. Now do you think that those 88% of people believe that the gym doesn't work? That it is impossible to lose weight? No, of course not! Here is the hard to swallow truth, they are either undisciplined and lazy or they don't know that results come after many 'small' trips to the gym and not after a 6 hour drill on the treadmill.

      Most people will fail to make money in IM, simply because most people don't have the discipline and the guts to keep going in the face of disappointment and failure. And that's the same with anything you look at. I think most people are expecting a free lunch and a get rich quick scheme or a get thin tomorrow programme.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jack Hunter
        Originally Posted by Creating Influence View Post

        Only then do you design the actual gym, and you design the gym for only 12% of yearly memberships. Only 12% of people who join the gym actually ever use the gym!.
        I don't know where you got those stats but they are not even close to right.

        100% of the people who pay for yearly gym membership use gym at least twice, or they get their refund so in effect they did not actually pay.

        I do not own any gyms, nor gym memberships as I have home gym sufficient to keep in shape, but law firm I use represented some folks who sued large gym franchise over being charged for memberships or being given difficult time to cancel, and it came up in a conversation.

        I'd guess actual gym would expect lot of people to show up during whatever their busy hours are, and those numbers alone would be higher than 12%.

        And I know few dozen people who use this forum outside of this forum, about half do not make $100/day, after several years. They mostly still have day jobs and IM is more a hobby than primary endeavor. So that 100/day is ridiculous thing to expect from majority of newbies who still have rent and bills to pay. Part time effort does not lead to full time income any time soon.
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