Is IM quickly just becoming another word for spam?

by DavidTheMavin 10 replies
So many spammers are giving IM such a bad name. For years now, when I would tell someone what I do for a living 9 times out of 10 they say: "Oh, so you're the one filling my inbox up with all that spam". Which would then require me to defend my practice and assure them that I too hate spam and have never done it in my life.

Fast forward to today and tomorrow. Now we're in a social media boom, and here we go again... nothing but spam spam spam... tweets and DM's on twitter, spam submissions to social bookmarking sites like Digg Mixx and the like.

Sure, I'm sure a lot of people (even here) are making a quick buck, but let it be known that you're diminishing the value and the image of REAL Internet marketers.

Do you feel that spammers are ruining the image and value of real IM?
#main internet marketing discussion forum #quickly #spam #word
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    I think spam is a perfectly legitimate way to market.

    I also think anything people hate is a really stupid way to market.

    There are plenty of other perfectly legitimate ways to market that also happen to be really stupid.

    Real marketers - on the internet or anywhere else - simply avoid those methods. It's always been like that. It may be hard to explain to people that you're not one of the Bad Guys, but the easy way to handle those complaints is to just knee jerk a response of "nah, that's stupid." If they want more info, they'll ask.
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    • Profile picture of the author DavidTheMavin
      The Wild West days of the Internet are over, and yet there's still this persona of IM'ers as gunslingers. I know people that have made tens of millions of dollars spamming, but I guarantee that they don't do it anymore!

      The industry looks to be moving towards self-regulation, so what I foresee is a watchdog group, committee or something being created that not only exposes spammers internationally, but works with the ISPs, local & government agencies to stop all unsolicited forms of Internet Marketing.

      Maybe not though, maybe all the people using email and new forms of media to spam will end up paying the price down the road from an even works government backed smackdown?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
        Originally Posted by DavidTheMavin View Post

        The Wild West days of the Internet are over, and yet there's still this persona of IM'ers as gunslingers.
        The "Wild West" days of the information age are just beginning, make no mistake of that... just look at the thousands of new spyware/adware viruses created everyday...

        Take a look at the exponentially expanding PPI (Pay Per Install) industry... there are companies out there that create viruses that tell the unsuspecting user "Your System Is Infected, go here and buy our anti-virus software for $29.95". Companies are literally paying "affiliates" to spread their viruses around.

        The web is still a baby... it has many growth spurts and growing pains ahead... the world wild west web has just begun. Hold on to your saddles everyone, we're in for a bumpy ride...

        .jrd

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    • Profile picture of the author DavidTheMavin
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      I think spam is a perfectly legitimate way to market.
      Not quite that black and white remember:

      The CAN-SPAM Act: Requirements for Commercial Emailers
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      • Profile picture of the author The Expert
        I think the bigger question is "What is SPAM?"

        I think SPAM has become the word for "anything online that has the potential to annoy anyone". It's gone WAY beyond email and Twitter.

        So you post links with Angela's Backlinks...you're a spammer.

        Distribute your article to 3,000 article directories with ArticleMarketer...you're a spammer

        Distribute a blog post to 200 blogs on a blog network with Linkvana...you're a spammer.

        Create 500 Bookmarks on dozens of bookmarking sites with Bookmarking Demon...you're a spammer.

        Visit 150,000 websites while faking your referrer with PRStorm...you're a referral spammer.

        I think it's rediculous that people label pretty much every automated method that could help you earn money online as "SPAM".
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        • Profile picture of the author chunkmarketing
          Originally Posted by The Expert View Post

          I think the bigger question is "What is SPAM?"

          I think SPAM has become the word for "anything online that has the potential to annoy anyone". It's gone WAY beyond email and Twitter.
          this is very true. i have people who signed up for my mailing list telling me im spamming them and that they never filled out the online form to get on the list in the first place. this is despite the fact that i have their ip address, name, phone number, date and time, etc.

          it does get really annoying but i guess its one way to filter out non-buyers from my list.
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          • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
            Originally Posted by chunkmarketing View Post

            this is very true. i have people who signed up for my mailing list telling me im spamming them and that they never filled out the online form to get on the list in the first place. this is despite the fact that i have their ip address, name, phone number, date and time, etc.

            it does get really annoying but i guess its one way to filter out non-buyers from my list.
            The key here is to stop sending all those commercial emails. If you have non-buyers then that is a good thing, not a bad thing. Try sending out informative emails at least twice a month that has nothing to do with you making money off your list. Send nothing but pure informative information, free of charge, no benefit to you at all..

            Doing so will help turn non-buyers into buyers....

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            • Profile picture of the author AndyMi
              I think it's about the quality and how you do it. Well, thinking about any other work it's the quality that's gonna take you far.

              I always try to see things from the perspective of my customers/visitors. If I would personally join a mailing list and only get sales spam every day, I wouldn't follow that for long.. But if the IMer can create value, provide me with new insights and things I can learn and benefit from I don't mind a couple of offers here and there. Especially if the offers tie things together and help me in my quest for IM world domination


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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
    The bad things always get more publicity than the good things! Thats just life!

    Unfortunatly i do feel that its becoming the same and so is the word scam too. It's unfortunate but then when you are making more money than the average joe then you really don't need to explain.

    Tom Brite
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    This is why I call it "SpaMarketing" (Spam + Marketing) - There are so many people that give bad advice that it is sick. Many wannabee' act like they are experts and give bad advice such as Go post on this forum, create a profile here, slap your tweets on auto spam pilot, and etc... This list goes on and on and the bad part is they tell those newbies to spam the heck out of the place with their affiliate/MRR/RR/PLR url's...

    This is why many good things get ruined before "real" people can actually use the tool/site properly. I personally think those words "I am a Marketer" is way over used, just because you buy a junk MRR product (that has been sold and given away to thousands) and toss up a site for it and act like you advertise it, does not make you a marketer. Yet many claim this title and do not even understand what a marketer really is...

    James
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