Your Attitude SUCKS That's Why You're In Neutral

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The way to tell successful and serious entrepreneur or Internet marketer is by the way they conduct themselves on a forum.

There seems to be an awful lot of "tire kickers" that go on the WF and whine about how they aren't getting any sales or making any money.

Then a pack of really nice, decent , experienced IMer's spend boat loads of their personal time writing great paragraphs of valuable information about how to fix their problem and start an online business.

It's sad because the nice folks that have taken their time to write high quality and valuable information get pretty much ignored.

You can't tell me that you're serious about starting a business if you're coming on here just to B&^%# and moan about not getting ahead and when someone goes way out of their way to help you, you can't even press the freakin' "Thanks" button.

If you even had a modicum of common sense, you'd be soaking up this advice like a sponge and thanking the hell out of these kind entrepreneurs.

THAT'S HOW YOU GET A REALLY GOOD MENTOR, FRIENDS!

You thank them in a post. You go to their blog and let the world know how kind they are sharing their expertise with you. You send them a PM and tell them you really appreciate the kindness. You ask them to look at the work you're doing based on the advice they've given you., and then you thank them some more.

I think from now on, before I chime in with anything, I'm going to look and see if the individual is responding and thanking people on here at all. It's bad enough the moderators of this forum treat us like crap, much less the people we're trying to help.

Anyway, there's my first and hopefully last rant on here.

God Bless!

ELMO
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    Originally Posted by elmo033057 View Post


    Anyway, there's my first and hopefully last rant on here.
    We can only hope

    al
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    Neutral?

    Most people are in 'Reverse' lol
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Fact of Life: "The best things in life is free"!
      But those are usually the things taken for granted the most.
      Even good "FREE" advice on this forum.
      (Full Disclosure) Sorry, I've even missed some opportunities to push the button. I used the information, got good results, but never came back to push it. Thanks, now I feel like crap.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by Rory Singh View Post

      Neutral?

      Most people are in 'Reverse' lol
      Most have no idea where their keys are.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jouvan Johnson
    That was a heart warming read

    Had to hit the like button lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    Had to hit the like button lol
    There is a "like" button?

    I think you are confused about where you are.
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Originally Posted by elmo033057 View Post


    I think from now on, before I chime in with anything, I'm going to look and see if the individual is responding and thanking people on here at all.
    ELMO
    It's the old hit and run tactic Elmo...
    Post a desperation thread and never bother to reply nevermind thanking anyone.

    What i don't get are the Mor__s who keep replying for days/weeks when it's clear the OP
    has vanished or does not care...
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Maybe some people are getting too bogged down on whether others are giving enough "Thanks" ?

      Overall, it should be something that is a non issue and we should not get too focused on.

      We know where that can lead



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  • Profile picture of the author davebestdb
    This is very true Elmo. Although I don't care much if people thank me or not (even though it can never hurt to do so ). What is even more annoying is when you give them advice personally and then they do not use any of it to their advantage.

    Even when you offer some people a silver platter they tend to eat off another plate. At the end of the day I can give advice and try to help if you are not going to take it is your loss!
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    A lot of warriors come here on a daily basis and give a lot of useful advice. The problem is that most newer members will read these helpful posts but never take action on what they learn. They just don't think or believe that they can succeed too.

    Originally Posted by elmo033057 View Post

    you can't even press the freakin' "Thanks" button.
    Most of us don't really care if someone won't press the THANKS button. When you help people out and give the best advice you can, after you close the computer you actually feel good about helping others.
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  • Profile picture of the author elmo033057
    Thanks for responding to my one and only rant everyone. I think more than anything I was annoyed by was the fact that people come on here and you can just tell they're not even trying.

    They just want to waste everyone's time or make people feel sorry for them. It's just like several of you've pointed out, they just post, and hit he door.

    Anyway, I feel better since I ranted.

    God Bless you all! (Even AL.)

    Elmo
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  • Profile picture of the author kk075
    The way I see it is that if someone takes the time to write out a well-thought post with enough information to give them a good answer, I'll go ahead and answer the question to the best of my ability. And I really don't care if they thank my post or reply because ultimately, the comment probably helped others as well and that's what we are all here for (or supposed to be here for).

    Now, I agree with the OP as well though...not replying with thanks is rude and it clearly shows where the person's mentality is at, so I usually won't follow up with additional advice if the poster goes, "Well, what about this...." Because then they're acting like everyone here owes them something and that's just not cool. At the same time though, it really bothers me when someone posts, "How do I make money online" and people write 5-10 detailed paragraphs trying to help that person out. They're obviously not going to do anything with that information if they know nothing about the industry though, and that makes me want to rant too.

    In short, people should not take kindness for weakness here and they should show appreciation for great advice...especially when its specific. Just don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

      The way I see it is that if someone takes the time to write out a well-thought post with enough information to give them a good answer, I'll go ahead and answer the question to the best of my ability. And I really don't care if they thank my post or reply because ultimately, the comment probably helped others as well
      If that's true then someone should thank you. :-)

      There is nothing wrong with having an expectation that people display a modicum of appreciations with at least a semblance of good manners.
      especially when its specific. Just don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.
      Unless you have a fondness for a lovely shade of purple.

      Sorry. Some days I just can't help myself.

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      • Profile picture of the author kk075
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        If that's true then someone should thank you. :-)

        There is nothing wrong with having an expectation that people display a modicum of appreciations with at least a semblance of good manners.
        Yeah, I completely get where you're coming from, but at the same time people get too worked up over validation on forums anyway. This simply is not the place to be if you are looking for love and acceptance.

        There have definitely been moments where I got angry though. About three weeks ago, for example, someone asked how to make money with clients through video marketing. And since he was getting bad replies, I really went all-out and wrote him an entire guide how to do it. His response was something like, "That's a good idea. What are some more methods I could use people? Keep the ideas coming."

        Basically, it was like a slap in the face, even though I just told him exactly how the top marketing firms in the country promote/run their video marketing campaigns for clients. At the same time though, it was my own fault for trying to help someone that didn't really want to learn anyway...so I considered it a lesson learned.
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

          At the same time though, it was my own fault for trying to help someone that didn't really want to learn anyway...so I considered it a lesson learned.
          Any time that you can learn from an experience, you can consider that a good thing.

          You should put that post in a file so that you can offer it again, when it seems warranted, without having to expend the time or energy to rewrite it. At least if you get kicked in the teeth next time, the most you had wasted was a 'copy and paste.'

          Cheers. - Frank
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        • Profile picture of the author elmo033057
          Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

          Yeah, I completely get where you're coming from, but at the same time people get too worked up over validation on forums anyway. This simply is not the place to be if you are looking for love and acceptance.

          There have definitely been moments where I got angry though. About three weeks ago, for example, someone asked how to make money with clients through video marketing. And since he was getting bad replies, I really went all-out and wrote him an entire guide how to do it. His response was something like, "That's a good idea. What are some more methods I could use people? Keep the ideas coming."

          Basically, it was like a slap in the face, even though I just told him exactly how the top marketing firms in the country promote/run their video marketing campaigns for clients. At the same time though, it was my own fault for trying to help someone that didn't really want to learn anyway...so I considered it a lesson learned.
          There are so many great responses on here, you all are awesome...Even Al! Ha ha! (I just had to get that in there!)

          About your love and acceptance comment: unfortunately you're correct. And I think that people that don't appreciate you and your obvious expertise are missing out big-time.

          When you think about it KK075, one of the biggest lessons you can learn from networking on here is how to build relationships and make valuable friends.

          I personally think that if you're growing relationships and actually learning to reach out and actually care for someone, you'll be growing a valuable resource.

          I've made one super good friend on here and he has taught me far more than if I had gone to a university for 8 years. He cut my learning curve in half at least, and I'm forever grateful to this guy. I've been working with him since two summers ago and not only has he been so kind to mentor me for free, but he's been getting me business.

          We're now thinking of the possibility of doing a joint venture together.

          All I can say is, if you really want to make it in this world you'll get a lot further being kind and considerate than you will being unthinking and uncaring.

          Besides that, even if you don't really get anywhere with free advice, the least you can do is tell them you appreciate it. These folks took their valuable time to help you and that is a resource they can never get back.

          It's just the decent thing to do.

          Thanks again kk075, I really do appreciate it.

          God Bless, my friend!

          ELMO

          P.S. Could you please direct me to the link of that post you made on the video method top marketing firms use? I'd really be interested in reading it.
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          • Profile picture of the author kk075
            Originally Posted by elmo033057 View Post

            There are so many great responses on here, you all are awesome...Even Al! Ha ha! (I just had to get that in there!)

            About your love and acceptance comment: unfortunately you're correct. And I think that people that don't appreciate you and your obvious expertise are missing out big-time.

            When you think about it KK075, one of the biggest lessons you can learn from networking on here is how to build relationships and make valuable friends.

            I personally think that if you're growing relationships and actually learning to reach out and actually care for someone, you'll be growing a valuable resource.

            I've made one super good friend on here and he has taught me far more than if I had gone to a university for 8 years. He cut my learning curve in half at least, and I'm forever grateful to this guy. I've been working with him since two summers ago and not only has he been so kind to mentor me for free, but he's been getting me business.

            We're now thinking of the possibility of doing a joint venture together.

            All I can say is, if you really want to make it in this world you'll get a lot further being kind and considerate than you will being unthinking and uncaring.

            Besides that, even if you don't really get anywhere with free advice, the least you can do is tell them you appreciate it. These folks took their valuable time to help you and that is a resource they can never get back.

            It's just the decent thing to do.

            Thanks again kk075, I really do appreciate it.

            God Bless, my friend!

            ELMO

            P.S. Could you please direct me to the link of that post you made on the video method top marketing firms use? I'd really be interested in reading it.
            Yeah, I completely agree with you...we're all here to learn about areas we're weak in and to help others at the same time. I've had several people reach out and say, "You're a guru...help me!" That kind of makes me laugh though because I'm just a regular guy who's had some very big clients and a few successes/failures on my own over the years.

            For what most here call IM- throwing up a squeeze page and paying for ads to drive traffic...I know nothing about that because it's a horrible monetization strategy. There are hundreds of ways to get that traffic organically and it makes no sense to spend money when you don't have to. Paid advertising is the LAST THING I ever do on a site because I want a well-tested, proven concept before ever spending a penny. If the copy isn't killing it already then it doesn't need advertising, and I think that's why most here are so frustrated and almost skeptical of real advice...it goes so against the grain of what's being sold here.

            So it seems like it either goes one way or the other...people are too appreciative or not appreciative at all. My end goal is simply for them to use the advice though

            And as far as tying my past links into a thread to provide advice...I hadn't really played with the search enough to realize I can search by keyword and my own username. So I guess that does make sense since it's easy to do. And hey, I learned something today too!

            I'll PM you the link to the video marketing though because I don't want to call someone else out publicly...and his reply was nowhere near as bad as I remembered it anyway. Either he edited it or I overreacted, but he twisted my idea into something else entirely and that's not cool.

            I appreciate everyone who takes the time to give a thought-out reply though and you definitely fall into that caregory.
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            • Profile picture of the author elmo033057
              KK075,

              Thanks so much for the great response and the link if you can find it! Don't go to too much trouble looking for it, things like that can get buried over time. You should see my desktop!!! Ha ha !

              Anyway thanks so much for being so kind and replying to my thread. It's rare on here that people give a nice, intelligent response to posts like this.

              Oh, while I'm at it, Seth Godin's books Lynch Pin and Tribes are all about reaching out and making someone feel important.

              And if anyone thinks that being nice doesn't work, just look at the Zappos bid-ness model below:


              God Bless, my friend!

              ELMO
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        • Profile picture of the author ceeczar
          Originally Posted by kk075 View Post


          His response was something like, "That's a good idea. What are some more methods I could use people? Keep the ideas coming."

          Basically, it was like a slap in the face, even though ...it was my own fault for trying to help someone that didn't really want to learn anyway...so I considered it a lesson learned.
          "Keep the ideas coming"?

          I think that says it all. People like that don't
          plan to act. They just want to have fun, like
          watching a new action-figure movie.

          Please don't blame yourself. I'm sure someone
          will still act on what you said.

          Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    I agree with not liking drive by posters posting their sob stories, people trying to help out, and then the poster disappearing.

    I don't agree that giving thanks has anything to do with it for a couple reasons.

    1. I don't like when people ask to be thanked or expect to be thanked. It just doesn't sit right by me. Many times I might have thanked someone but didn't solely because the poster said something like "hit thanks if this helped you." As a matter of fact I don't think I've ever thanked someone when asked to. Where I come from, thanks is earned - not asked for. And whether it's earned or not is decided by the receiver - not others.

    Having said that I use the thanks button but just not as much as some people.

    2. Many of these one time posters don't know how to put their signature in place, don't know how a forum works, have never taken part in a forum, etc. We get many threads that ask, for example, "how can I thank someone for posting good advice" when the button is right there in black and white. Holding them accountable for knowing this and refusing to help if they don't hit a button again just bothers me a little.

    Like I said I agree with the ungrateful behavior being unbecoming. I believe that most of these types of posts will never make anything because of their attitude.

    I have many times been direct with these posters - not to try to be rude but to be helpful. Just last week I was called a "pretentious prick" by someone for truly trying to help. How's that for thanks?

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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    Originally Posted by elmo033057 View Post

    It’s sad because the nice folks that have taken their time to write high quality and valuable information get pretty much ignored.
    Or they get attacked and accused of being full of sh*t - which makes many not want to even bother contributing any more.

    I've gotten into several "debates" with those types in this place after providing what I thought was solid value (based on actual personal experience) without asking for anything in return (via sig files selling something).

    But the way I see it is if and when I decide to contribute with actual value, if it benefits just one person and helps them move forward in their business, and dare I say make a lot of money, I feel it was worth dealing with the negativity to be a catalyst for that result.


    P.S. I personally don't care about getting "thanks," just really want to help those who want to be helped.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

      But the way I see it is if and when I decide to contribute with actual value, if it benefits just one person and helps them move forward in their business, and dare I say make a lot of money, I feel it was worth dealing with the negativity to be a catalyst for that result.

      No use in me writing it, when you wrote it for me, Jason. There's a thing called Karma that always sees to it you beneift, often in unexpected ways and even unexpected people. And it will make up for all the times you didn't get thanked or apprecieated. My job is to serve with my skill, craft or business and let Universal Law do the rest in it's own way and time.

      P.S. I personally don't care about getting "thanks," just really want to help those who want to be helped.
      Right, a thanks would be nice, but it's not going to stop me from helping others, where I can and when I can. Ironically, helping others (who want to be helped) makes me better at what I do in unexpected ways.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

      But the way I see it is if and when I decide to contribute with actual value, if it benefits just one person and helps them move forward in their business, and dare I say make a lot of money, I feel it was worth dealing with the negativity to be a catalyst for that result.
      No use in me writing it again when you wrote it for me, Jason. There's a thing called Karma that always sees to it you benefit, often in unexpected ways and even from unexpected people. And it will make up for all the times you didn't get thanked or appreciated. My job is to serve with my skill, craft or business and let Universal Law do the rest in it's own way and time.

      Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

      P.S. I personally don't care about getting "thanks," just really want to help those who want to be helped.
      Right, a thanks would be nice, but it's not going to stop me from helping others, where I can and when I can. Ironically, helping others (who want to be helped) makes me better at what I do in unexpected ways.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cali16
        Love your attitude, Niche Man!

        I think it would be very interesting to remove signatures and "thanks" for a week or so and see who continues to provide helpful responses...
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

          Love your attitude, Niche Man!

          I think it would be very interesting to remove signatures and "thanks" for a week or so and see who continues to provide helpful responses...
          Yes, I would like to see this. Wonder how much traffic would subside for that week, here ?

          FL probably would not go for it. But interesting
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          • Profile picture of the author kk075
            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            Yes, I would like to see this. Wonder how much traffic would subside for that week, here ?

            FL probably would not go for it. But interesting
            I think it would be cool to only allow signatures in sub-forums AND those signatures have to be specific to that topic. I agree though, it would be a better place if the main forum was 100% signature free.

            Then again, I also think a great option would be to FORCE users to perform a search for a similar topic before posting. Unless their question/statement is original or at least has an original angle, then they're not allowed to post it. That would cut the post counts down dramatically and generally make this a better place.

            For example, every single "How do I make a million dollars this year" has people saying that the topic is played out and dumb, yet those threads have an average of 50+ replies and 1,000 views. The average legitimate question has 6-12 replies and 300 views...so it shows where the mentality of the hive is at.

            This is really one of the few interesting conversations on page one...yet it started as a rant over people not appreciating the advice here. That's a major indication in itself.
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    • Profile picture of the author elmo033057
      Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

      Or they get attacked and accused of being full of sh*t - which makes many not want to even bother contributing any more.

      I've gotten into several "debates" with those types in this place after providing what I thought was solid value (based on actual personal experience) without asking for anything in return (via sig files selling something).

      But the way I see it is if and when I decide to contribute with actual value, if it benefits just one person and helps them move forward in their business, and dare I say make a lot of money, I feel it was worth dealing with the negativity to be a catalyst for that result.


      P.S. I personally don't care about getting "thanks," just really want to help those who want to be helped.
      Jason,

      Man, I feel your pain on this one. I have never seen more nitpicking in my life than on forums! Some people act as if they slam you in some way, other's will somehow see THEM as the authority.

      I wrote something on here the other day about an IM issue that was newsworthy and I was treated pretty badly. One guy went so far as to count the number of different sites I was using that was related to Google, or some crap like that.

      I'm thinking, how successful can you all be spending time lurking around every corner of the WF, trying to be the thought police?

      There are times when I've been blunt with people, but only trying to help them, not make them look bad. My way of thinking is if I don't have something meaningful to contribute, I'll just keep my mouth shut.

      Thanks for your interesting reply, Jason!
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      God Bless!

      ELMO
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      • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
        Originally Posted by elmo033057 View Post

        One guy went so far as to count the number of different sites I was using that was related to Google, or some crap like that.
        Had a similar instance where I was told I don't make a single dime and I'm trying to scam people because I haven't posted on my personal blog in years. (although I may start again)

        Even went so far as to feature me on their own personal loser/hater blog.

        Its funny because I currently do not have anything of my own for sale and have no plans of putting anything out product wise any time soon - or ever, so how could I be scamming people on here? lol

        But yeah, I'll keep making money and creating wealth while they stew in their own misery.
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  • Profile picture of the author elmo033057
    Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

    I think it would be very interesting to remove signatures and "thanks" for a week or so and see who continues to provide helpful responses...

    Discrat,

    Personally, the button "Thanks" isn't that huge of a thing, but it does let the poster know that you've at least looked at his response. (Kinda like the "LIKE" butt on FB.) I really do believe saying thanks personally is HUGE. I've gotten some of the best responses from people like that.

    So, Thanks so much Discrat for the comment! Ha ha !

    Seriously, God Bless, my friend!

    ELMO
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      This thread has inspired a new goal for me. To have more "Thanks" than "Thanked" posted by the end of the year. It may be a first for over 2,000 post in W.F history. But that's not the main goal.

      Even if I don't achieve it, it'll make me more "Thanks" minded for the helpful post I see.

      (Rubbing hands together) I love challenging myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author vour1995
    I love the title.
    Though i couldnt understand what you were saying@elmo
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    Thank you elmo033057 for the awesome video about Zappos. They have a lot in common with Mind Valley. Keep smiling!
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    That's REFRESHING...Finally, somebody speaking there mind. You've pretty much said what most of us was thinking for a long-time. Respect!
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  • Profile picture of the author elmo033057
    Dear friends.

    Thanks so much to all of you for responding to my OP. I really did read all of them and I do appreciate you.

    I see many people on here that go way out of their way to help others and to encourage them and that's why I like this forum.

    I guess the reason why I felt so compelled to write this, was because I believe that all of you are important. And I really believe that if we treat people with kindness and a certain degree of care without any gain for ourselves all of the time, that it adds a certain quality to our character.

    Maybe that's more important than becoming rich, but that's for you to decide. I do know that this type of behavior sticks out like a sore thumb in a world where money seems to dominate everything.

    Here's two instances that occurred in my life that was related to my Internet business dealings.

    Years ago I had an online embroidery business and my niche was music instrument apparel. I sold trombone hats that said "Bad to the Bone" with a Trombone embroidered on them, embroidered flute shirts that said "Fluteaholic" on them. All my business was online through eBay and my own e-commerce website. I designed and digitized all of the apparel and they had a beautiful design to them as well as the motto.

    Well, I sold a lot of this stuff and one day I got this email from this lady telling me that her daughter loved the hat I made for her. It was real cool design of a trumpet with flames behind it. She told me that my product was so good that her daughter was wearing it to school every day. Unfortunately, it got stolen because the other kids wanted it.

    She thought I should know how popular my stuff was.

    Anyway, it felt great that people actually liked my stuff, however, I felt really bad for the kid, so I sent another one on to them for free. I paid for everything and even sent them a short hand written note.

    Well, I got another email from the lady a week or so after I sent the hat and she was ecstatic. She told me that she actually cried when she got the hat because she couldn't afford to buy her daughter another one. I guess she was a single mom living on the fringe.

    She told me she was stunned that someone wasn't out for just the money.

    I've since folded that business, but I never forgot that lady and her daughter and I'll lay money that they didn't forget the kind/weird stranger that gave them a gift for no reason.

    So for those you that get it, please continue to keep helping people on here , because even though you don't get many thanks in return for your expertise and time, there are people that will never forget your kindness.

    I hope you don't think I'm saying this stuff because I;m trying to be some sort of weirdo-saint or something like that. Ha-ha, because my wife will tell you that I'm not!

    God Bless!

    ELMO

    PS I know I told you I was going to tell you two stories, but I ran out of time tonight. Maybe some other time if you're interested.

    God Bless,

    Saint Elmo
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  • Profile picture of the author kk075
    Okay, I'll play along with story time.

    I was in college and took a job at a local pizza restaurant to have some extra cash, and one of my first days there the owner says, "Everyone get in the back of my pick-up...we're going couponing." Now, I honestly thought he was kidding because who does such a thing, but out everyone goes to hop into the owner's truck so I followed along. And what he'd do is drop two of us off at the start of a neighborhood block and then pick us up at the other end....and he'd drive from block to block picking people up and letting them back out. We'd knock out a square mile in like 15 minutes doing this, leaving flyers on everyone's doorstep.

    Well, the very first house I go to, this woman cusses me out. "I don't want no F^%king coupons, get off my lawn you little s*$t." So I thought wow...this is how it's going to be. Awesome.

    So I hit a few more houses without issue, and home #4 had an old guy in his 60's trying to plant a tree in his front yard. He didn't have enough hands though to balance the little tree, work the shovel and pack the dirt so I dropped my coupons and helped him. We chatted for a bit afterwards and I never thought twice about him.

    Now let's fast-forward nine years. Yup, nine. I've dropped out of college by then, taken the store manager job, opened my own location in a different town and took the regional manager title for all the stores as well. It's a Friday night, I'm short staffed and we're getting absolutely hammered in our six o'clock rush, so I'm making pizzas, answering phones and talking to pick-up customers at a lightning pace.

    So in walks this old man and orders something...and I'm making it as he's ordering because I can't even stop to get up to the counter to write it down. Six minutes later, his pizza comes out, I box it, slice it and rush up to the counter...and one of my drivers collides right into me. The pizza goes flying. Crap. So I apologize to the guy and make the pizza again, promising that I'm not going to charge him for it once it's ready.

    Well, by the time the 2nd pizza comes out we've slowed down a lot, so I hand the old guy the pie and insist that I won't take any money for it. He smiles though and says that I must not remember him, and then he shows me the photo of his house with this big-ass tree in the front yard. It didn't mean anything to me but then he says, "Son, you helped me plant that tree nine years ago in my yard and you told me it was your first day with the company. It really impressed me that you'd risk getting in trouble with your boss to help an old guy out. I've ordered pizza from you ever since. Every time you changed stores with a promotion, I've changed stores with you and only ordered on nights you were working. I tell every person I know that you personally make the best pizzas on the planet, and I'm thrilled at how you've succeeded over the years."

    Well, I was shocked to say the least...and embarrassed that I didn't remember him until he told the story. He passed away 3 years ago but we did become friends beforehand.

    I was blown away though...I never imagined that one random act of kindness could mean so much to someone. And I guess that's why I've always tried to "pay it forward" with writers online and now with my own business. If a person calls/emails and asks a direct question, I'll happily give a direct answer before I even know if they are a customer. You'd be amazed at how many massive clients I've landed that way, and that's why I never mind helping out here. Because one way or the other, it all comes back to us for doing the right thing.

    Wow, I just wrote a small book...sorry! Hopefully you guys find a little inspiration in that though.
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    • Profile picture of the author elmo033057
      KK075,

      Man that's INCREDIBLE! WOW! I mean, that story is just amazing. Yeah, you never really know how you''re impacting other people's lives when you do something like that!

      I had a really weird experience kind of like that, but it doesn't have anything to do with business, so it would be off topic,.

      To cut a long story short, I marched with this Belgium guy in a parade in Brussels and I bumped into him in a canyon in Utah while hiking 33 YEARS LATER!!! It's a really funny story, but off topic...so..
      ha ha !

      Anyway, I'm swiping your story for my archives, with your permission of course. You really need to put that one into your blog!

      God bless, and thanks so much for sharing, my friend!

      ELMO
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  • Profile picture of the author Daaria
    so you're talking about people "coming on here just to B&^%# and moan" but what is this post of yours, ey? )
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by Daaria View Post

      so you're talking about people "coming on here just to B&^%# and moan" but what is this post of yours, ey? )
      You have not been here long enough to make any kind of judgement...
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    • Profile picture of the author elmo033057
      Originally Posted by Daaria View Post

      so you're talking about people "coming on here just to B&^%# and moan" but what is this post of yours, ey? )
      Sorry if it came off that way, man.

      God Bless!

      ELMO
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  • Profile picture of the author funderburk5
    Originally Posted by elmo033057 View Post

    The way to tell successful and serious entrepreneur or Internet marketer is by the way they conduct themselves on a forum.

    There seems to be an awful lot of "tire kickers" that go on the WF and whine about how they aren't getting any sales or making any money.

    Then a pack of really nice, decent , experienced IMer's spend boat loads of their personal time writing great paragraphs of valuable information about how to fix their problem and start an online business.

    It's sad because the nice folks that have taken their time to write high quality and valuable information get pretty much ignored.

    You can't tell me that you're serious about starting a business if you're coming on here just to B&^%# and moan about not getting ahead and when someone goes way out of their way to help you, you can't even press the freakin' "Thanks" button.

    If you even had a modicum of common sense, you'd be soaking up this advice like a sponge and thanking the hell out of these kind entrepreneurs.

    THAT'S HOW YOU GET A REALLY GOOD MENTOR, FRIENDS!

    You thank them in a post. You go to their blog and let the world know how kind they are sharing their expertise with you. You send them a PM and tell them you really appreciate the kindness. You ask them to look at the work you're doing based on the advice they've given you., and then you thank them some more.

    I think from now on, before I chime in with anything, I'm going to look and see if the individual is responding and thanking people on here at all. It's bad enough the moderators of this forum treat us like crap, much less the people we're trying to help.

    Anyway, there's my first and hopefully last rant on here.

    God Bless!

    ELMO
    You're the very reason why i provide feedback. As a newbie, I tip my hat off to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author elmo033057
      Originally Posted by funderburk5 View Post

      You're the very reason why i provide feedback. As a newbie, I tip my hat off to you.
      Funder,

      Thanks so much for your kind words, man. It really means a lot to me.

      By the way, I took a look at your site yesterday because you mentioned it in another post. For a newbie, that was a most impressive website.

      (Man, you should have seen my first efforts! Ha ha! I had no clue what I was doing!)

      Anyway, keep at it man, no matter what, because you're off to a really good start.

      God Bless!

      ELMO
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  • Profile picture of the author elmo033057
    Originally Posted by ceeczar View Post

    "Keep the ideas coming"?

    I think that says it all. People like that don't
    plan to act. They just want to have fun, like
    watching a new action-figure movie.

    Please don't blame yourself. I'm sure someone
    will still act on what you said.

    Cheers!
    Ceeczar,

    Amen! there are some people on here that do nothing but waste YOUR time.It's almost as if you feed them hordes of ideas, they'll somehow get the work done.


    Thanks for the comment!

    ELMO
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  • Profile picture of the author rCaliente
    I don't know if it's still like this, but the thanks button was not available for new accounts until they had more than x posts. It might have been that they didn't even have access to the button yet.

    I'm not sure about most, but if I don't have anything valuable to add to the conversation, I keep my mouth shut. I haven't been on the forum in quite some time. Though I've learned and done a lot since then.
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  • Yes, that's a great observation.

    I'd like to believe that all the posts have some type of the benefit.
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  • Profile picture of the author kursat
    Thank you for this post... I started my business here back in 2010 - I learned everything I know today about IM here and met some great people, who go out of their way to help me and others. I just know that it always works when we pay it forward. I now try to do the same for anyone who is starting out and will always keep time for them. Anyway nice pay it forward video I saw on FB . Thanks again for the great post.

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    • Profile picture of the author kk075
      Originally Posted by kursat View Post

      Watch this You will definitely share this...
      No offense, but whenever a video uses the words "share this" in the title, I just can't bring myself to click on it. I'm sure it was awesome and all, but those types of tactics just make me angry inside.
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      • Profile picture of the author kursat
        Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

        No offense, but whenever a video uses the words "share this" in the title, I just can't bring myself to click on it. I'm sure it was awesome and all, but those types of tactics just make me angry inside.

        Unfortunately, not my video so could not remove the title of video. Just thought the idea on it was good. Well I am sure they do produce this videos to make money at the end - so I can understand your point. No offense taken.
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        • Profile picture of the author elmo033057
          Originally Posted by kursat View Post

          Unfortunately, not my video so could not remove the title of video. Just thought the idea on it was good. Well I am sure they do produce this videos to make money at the end - so I can understand your point. No offense taken.
          Kursat,

          Great video, man. Thanks so much for posting it on here, my friend.

          God Bless!

          ELMO
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        • Profile picture of the author kk075
          Originally Posted by kursat View Post

          Unfortunately, not my video so could not remove the title of video. Just thought the idea on it was good. Well I am sure they do produce this videos to make money at the end - so I can understand your point. No offense taken.
          Yup, that's not your fault...I just get frustrated when I see a title that says something like, "You Must See This And Share it With Everyone!" Because nine time out of ten, the video is horrible and it's the only way the creator could think of to make it go viral. I've fallen for it too many times.

          The same goes for those ads with "One Weird Trick...." in the title. Those are almost always garbage too.
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          • Profile picture of the author elmo033057
            Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

            Yup, that's not your fault...I just get frustrated when I see a title that says something like, "You Must See This And Share it With Everyone!" Because nine time out of ten, the video is horrible and it's the only way the creator could think of to make it go viral. I've fallen for it too many times.

            The same goes for those ads with "One Weird Trick...." in the title. Those are almost always garbage too.
            You see that on Facebook a lot which is why I only frequent Facebook to market and respond to questions and comments.

            Oh, not only that, but someone usually says,
            "Pray for me because _____(Fill in the blank)___. And then a ton of people respond by saying, "Praying", "Prayers" "Prayers coming your way" etc. and you know they really don't pray at all. Ha ha !

            It's just a funny game we play, I guess.

            ELMO
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    • Profile picture of the author elmo033057
      Originally Posted by ceeczar View Post

      "Keep the ideas coming"?

      I think that says it all. People like that don't
      plan to act. They just want to have fun, like
      watching a new action-figure movie.

      Please don't blame yourself. I'm sure someone
      will still act on what you said.

      Cheers!
      Originally Posted by AntonioSeegars1 View Post

      I personal think that the attitude among the newbies is pretty good. Whenever I'm reading posts, it's usually only the older members that I see complaining. You can sometimes go in a thread where a newbie is asking a serious question, and they'll be three or four older members all telling him to use the search button, and this is the only information they provide. Sometimes this comment is the first in the thread, and you will still see other older members come in and say the same thing.

      Also, a lot of the older members actively complain about newbies asking how to make money online, but you don't see a lot older warriors going into detail about how to do it, so it shouldn't come as a shock when newbies ask this question.
      Antonio,

      Come to think of it, you're right. I have noticed a few folks that act like they're really annoyed when people post a question on here. Some of it comes from the fact that they've seen so many of the same questions over and over again by "newbs".

      However, the older members have to realize that this is just like being a teacher in a school, you're going to have to answer the same question s year after year.

      Such is the nature of teaching.

      I've been teaching for almost 17 years now and every year, I have to cover the same material and answer the same questions.

      The upside of this is you can nurture relationships, partnerships and joint ventures over time by teaching and helping people.

      Anyway, that's just my 2 cents.

      ELMO
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  • Profile picture of the author rCaliente
    Strange, my thanks button disappeared again. It may just be the quirks of the forum or some strange unwritten/hidden rule saying once you get your button you can only use it y times per day, so long as it doesn't exceed a ratio of a:b with your posts.

    Basically, if you don't see thanks from me, it's not because I didn't find enough value in your post to thank you. It's because I haven't gotten my button back and I'm not one to say "Great post."
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  • Profile picture of the author kursat
    I actually want to take this further. From this week onwards, I am going to start my own" pay it forward" day. I have plans to do small things to get going. I am not writing this here to brag about being a good person or so...just hope a lot of us can do it and soon it can bring quality to each others lifes.

    So plan of action this week.

    Buy lunch for two and share it with a homeless and spend my lunch break with him or her...
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    • Profile picture of the author kk075
      Originally Posted by kursat View Post

      I actually want to take this further. From this week onwards, I am going to start my own" pay it forward" day. I have plans to do small things to get going. I am not writing this here to brag about being a good person or so...just hope a lot of us can do it and soon it can bring quality to each others lifes.

      So plan of action this week.

      Buy lunch for two and share it with a homeless and spend my lunch break with him or her...
      Yo know, I can think of a dozen things we can easily do to pay it forward and help each other exponentially in online marketing, but we can't mention a single one of them on this forum. LOL, we need a new sub-forum that's not joint ventures and not WSO's, but something that's just "Help Other Marketers Out".

      Hmm, that got the wheels turning in my head. I wonder if I could make a private, invite-only sub forum on my site for something like that.
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    Some people are just way to busy to post on forums, some find time for it. You can never judge by that.


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