Message To Everyone Who Outsources

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This is going to be a rant, so please forgive me if it doesn't apply to you.

There are some people who outsource projects and aren't always specific with their instructions. This can lead to wasted time and money and poor reviews being left from one or both parties involved. Some people in richer countries tend to treat workers overseas like cattle, not human beings. That makes me very angry!

Some employers don't understand (or care) that a poor rating can cost someone their only means of making money to support or help support their families. Most of these countries are very poor. Why would they be willing to work for cheap if it weren't so? Most people just don't understand this.

Unlike hiring in the U.S., most Filipinos (for example) are very loyal, as long as you treat them well. However, like anyone else you hire, you MUST explain what you want done in DETAIL so they understand exactly what you want. Just because a worker's profile may say they have experience with a task, Wordpress, Video Creation, Writing, etc, etc, does NOT mean that they know how YOU want it done!

It only takes a few minutes to make a video of the exact steps you want your worker to use to perform a task. You can use Jing Project, Animoto, CamStudio or a number of other free video software to do this.

Once they've watched your video make sure they understand all of the steps before they begin. Ease their mind by telling them that you "encourage" them to ask questions. Many are afraid to do so and some will simply disappear if they don't understand. But if you're patient and kind you could have an outstanding helper for months or even years.

You can then use that video tutorial for every new person you hire in the future without having to constantly explain things to new workers.

Spending a bit of time up front by providing tutorials that workers can refer to can save a lot of headaches for everyone. It can also avoid harmful reviews that could have long term repercussions for both the worker and employers. Yes, it works both ways. Do you think that one of these gentle people will want to work for you if you're a tyrant? Not likely.

Bottom line, treat people with respect by training them properly up front. Also, be prepared to accept a certain amount of responsibility if things don't work out. Don't just automatically give someone a low rating when you could have helped create a better outcome. It may be a simple bad experience for you, but it could be harmful to someone else having the long term ability to earn a living.

Rant over.
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  • Profile picture of the author ContentPro22
    I agree. I work with several writers from the Philippines. They all go above and beyond in everything they do. And yeah, the more precise you make the directions, the better your results are gonna be.
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    • Profile picture of the author tudexo
      If you respect your own business you will always respect someone else' s too...especially if they are doing crucial stuff for you. That respect makes you a better client which best for both you and your microworkers' business.
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    I just about never give anything but top rating unless there is obvious dishonesty. That is the main thing I won't tolerate.
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  • Profile picture of the author osamaye360
    Its so sad giving someone a bad review. i believe you should take whoever you are outsourcing to as a friend. and before giving bad review, give them the opportunity to edit the job they have delivered.

    Probably, there should be a way of giving reviews on people who outsource too so that other workers will keep away from such people.

    Advise over
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Excellent post Joe.

    I normally don't even go through the sites to hire, I hire outsourcers away from there so if something doesn't go right, I don't even have the option to review them, just to stop using them.

    You make some very good points, and when I find someone that is pretty cheap I approach the situation in a way that I understand they're going to need additional development, guidance and instruction.

    It's not just with outsourcers either. If you don't give proper instruction or training to employees, they're not going to perform the way you want. You can't expect them to know what you want if you don't clearly explain. Kind of like how my girlfriend can't expect me to know why she's mad if she just expects me to know. LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      Excellent post Joe.

      I normally don't even go through the sites to hire, I hire outsourcers away from there so if something doesn't go right, I don't even have the option to review them, just to stop using them.
      I've used two sites primarily, though I won't mention names since the WF is now owned by Freelancer.com. I like it here. :-)

      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      You make some very good points, and when I find someone that is pretty cheap I approach the situation in a way that I understand they're going to need additional development, guidance and instruction.
      It only makes sense to do so, irregardless of what they may have experience with. Is a new employee at Burger King instantly qualified to step in and work just because they used to work at Mcdonalds? Probably not, because even though they'll be familiar with certain concepts and products, the systems will likely have significant differences, they'll use different terminology and more.

      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      Kind of like how my girlfriend can't expect me to know why she's mad if she just expects me to know. LOL
      I can so relate. I've been married twice, so I'm scarred more than most. My current wife said that she wanted to get away from her roommate for the weekend. It's been 13 years and I'm still waiting for her to go home! Lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Dex88
    Excellent Rant! Employers have responsibilities too when it comes to their employees getting the work done correctly.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Fuentes
      Originally Posted by Dex88 View Post

      Employers have responsibilities too when it comes to their employees getting the work done correctly.
      Actually, successfully getting any work done by employees is the full responsibility of employers ...

      People with all types of credentials, skill sets and experience respond to job ads and project-based offers ...
      They walk in to apply, or send out their CVs online, or bid on project-based gigs and so on ...

      This means the first step is to successfully grab the attention and compel the right people to respond to the right job offers and project-based contracts, which should of course be presented in the right ways ...
      This is of course primarily based on how those offers are formulated, how the ads for those offers are created, how those ads are presented and where it's placed by employers ...

      Second step is how the testing and hiring processes are formulated and executed by employers ...
      This of course dictates the overall quality of the manpower resources that they sign up ...

      Third step is the work environment, tools, training and management systems, motivational incentive and personal goal-business objective-corporate social responsibility integration programs that are provided by the employer ...
      This of course mainly dictates the overall productivity of employees ...

      So, if the employer fails on some components in the first step, then the second and third steps will of course produce lackluster results ...

      And, if there are issues in the second step, then the third step will produce inefficiencies, which will obviously affect the overall work output quality of employees ...

      And, if there are problems in the third step, then overall productivity of employees (along with the overall quality of their work output) will of course be greatly reduced ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
    I've been preaching this for a long time. I learned a lot from Justin Brooke and John Jonas' material, especially about hiring from the Philippines. I've hired a few people and had one VA for about 8 months and my current helper for over 3 years now, though we do take breaks from time to time.

    Actually, that's what inspired my rant. My helper and I are taking a couple weeks off right now and this person needed some extra money and took a small job for someone else. It was a little $6.00 job and apparently the employer wasn't happy. I have some work submitted to me for editing before it goes live, especially videos. My helper did this for him to review before publishing and was not only fired, but was left with a 2 star review!

    What a complete jerk!

    My helper held a #1 slot for a particular task and was awarded with a big gold badge for their performance history and this review caused that badge to be removed.

    All over a $6.00 job. Unreal!
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  • Profile picture of the author kk075
    It is a very valid point. I'l share a quick story about one of my "clients" on Elance. I put the word client in parenthesis because I really wanted to say "piece of garbage".

    Anyway, this guy hired a writer I was working with at the time to write 20 product descriptions a week for $500. So my co-worker knocked out a few samples and the guy was thrilled. He hired us (and I only say "us" because it was my Elance account. I had nothing else to do with it though and the client dealt directly with the other writer). And for 14 months, this person was ecstatic with his reviews and compliments. Every month he'd send us a new list, and my writer would knock out the 80 topics for $2k a month.

    Then one day I get an email- "Your writer is duplicating content to rip me off and if you don't fix it immediately, I'm calling the police. You guys are frauds and (f-word) criminals!"

    Obviously I took that very seriously, and I asked the writer, "What the heck is he talking about? Did you plagiarize?"

    Here's what happened- the client sent us monthly lists with 80 pages to write for. My writer double-checked to ensure that he hadn't written the page already by visiting the website, and then he knocked out the content. If he had already done that page though, he'd email the client and have another page given to him.

    Only, this guy had stopped posting content to his site about seven months earlier and didn't tell anyone, and he wasn't bothering to keep track as he made new lists either. So we had literally written some pages 2-3 times without realizing it...all at the client's direction. He said it was our fault though because we should have triple-checked by going through 1,000+ articles we've already written...even though dozens of these items very virtually identical. For example, you could have the same product in four colors...and those were 4 unique pages.

    So here's what this guy did- he changed all his feedback on Elance to the worst possible rating, posted in the feedback section that I was a felon about to go to prison for fraud, and demanded that I refund him the entire $28,000 from the entire 14 month we worked with him. He also hired an attorney and was seeking damages, plus he contacted my local police and the FBI. They all refused to even look into it though based on his statement.

    So I turned around and sent Elance a demands letter informing them that the client was committing multiple felonies (slander, assault, etc), and I threatened to sue them in California court (where they're located) since they were ultimately responsible for that person's behavior. And a few days later, the Vice President of Elance calls me with his lawyer on three-way to inform me that I was back to a perfect rating once again and all the slander had been deleted. He also said that the "client" was advised that I did nothing wrong but he was free to sue me if he pleased...which he tried to do twice. Both judges threw it out though because there was overwhelming evidence that he was lying.

    This client was based in Canada though...which is the only reason I didn't bring my screenshots to the police and have him arrested in his hometown. He never once stepped foot in US courts though since his lawyer advised him against it; they knew what would have happened.

    So yes people...there are bad clients to work for out there, and then there are the nightmares who do nothing but try to scam the system and blame everyone but themselves for being incompetent. Sometimes you will have to go to extremes to defend your name when people attack you, but that's the only way you really can respond when you're dealing with the scum of the Earth.

    I pray that you never have to go through something like that because it genuinely sucks. But if it does, then be quick to stand up for yourself and go on the offensive to protect your name. Use the systems in your favor and if you're in the right, the problem will quickly solve itself.
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