The better question for making money online is...

by gjabiz
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Any given day at this forum:
How can I make money?
How can I make 15 bux a day, or $25, 50 or $100?

How can I make my million online?

What is the most profitable niche (for me)?
How do I get started making MY money?

Read through and see how many I, I, I, Me, ME, ME threads are started,

A better question, in my opinion, would be:

Here are my skills, experiences, interests. How can I HELP other people using these skills?

Think about it, and when you get away from me, me me...and shift your thinking to helping they, them, her, him...

wondrous things happen.

gjabiz
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  • Profile picture of the author icoachu
    You nailed it on the head

    The secret to making money is: To get what YOU WANT, you have to first GIVE OTHERS what THEY want.

    Wealth is EARNED.
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    • Profile picture of the author agmccall
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      While it is very altruistic, it will never happen

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      • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
        Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

        While it is very altruistic, it will never happen

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        I don't understand?

        It happens everyday, a mind shift. Will it happen to everyone? Of course not.

        AND, it isn't the least bit altruistic, it is, in fact selfish. It is about what a person spends their time on, their focus.

        It is the most profitable use of time an Internet marketer can spend, finding hungry niches, and HELPING them get what they want.

        VERY PROFITABLE!!!

        gjabiz
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        • Profile picture of the author icoachu
          Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

          I don't understand?

          It happens everyday, a mind shift. Will it happen to everyone? Of course not.

          AND, it isn't the least bit altruistic, it is, in fact selfish. It is about what a person spends their time on, their focus.

          It is the most profitable use of time an Internet marketer can spend, finding hungry niches, and HELPING them get what they want.

          VERY PROFITABLE!!!

          gjabiz
          That's how CAPITALISM works. We are all driven to produce our BEST because of SELF-INTEREST. However, capitalism CHANNELS that GREEDY/SELF-INTERESTED impulse to produce VALUE FOR OTHERS.

          That's how wealth is made. It is EARNED.
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  • Profile picture of the author kk075
    Here's a quick test- in your opinion, what are the top brands in the world today? Use any criteria you want to make your list. I would personally answer-

    Microsoft
    Apple
    Amazon
    Google
    and Coca-Cola, just to have an oddball.

    Now, ask yourself why those brands made your list. Chances are, it's how great their products are and/or how well they take care of their customers. But for the heck of it, try to think of one brand you really love that treats customers poorly. You probably can't.

    So the only question that really SHOULD matter is, "How can I treat my customers better?" Once people figure that out, the money aspect comes right along with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    When you help others get what they want (a solution to their problem), you will get what you want (commissions).
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    Great reminder, I also noticed most people in general dive into business for selfish reasons. Take a moment to look around and see who can benefit from your service. If nobody can benefit from your products, maybe that's the reason you're not making real cash. How can you help someone?
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    • Profile picture of the author karlstech
      This.

      You are right that so many people just ask bluntly: How can I make money, without listing what they're good at.

      So there endless ways of making money online, depending on your skills, interests and goals.

      It's an abstract question that only gets an abstract answer. If you truly want help on coming up with a way of making money that works for YOU, then you need to specify.

      I think the biggest reason for this is the blown-up and over-hyped idea of making money online, like it's the easiest thing in the world.

      It's not.

      It's just as hard, demanding and tough as running a store or firm.

      If you want to make a decent, recurring buck online every single month then you need to start acting like a real businessman(woman).

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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    That's how wealth is made. It is EARNED.
    Most of the wealth in this country was amassed by robber barons, who stole it. Then it fell into the hands of their heirs, who inherited it.

    Very few truly wealthy people earned it.
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    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      Most of the wealth in this country was amassed by robber barons, who stole it. Then it fell into the hands of their heirs, who inherited it.

      Very few truly wealthy people earned it.
      Most? I guess we would have to define wealth, and perhaps among the Billionaires there are some of the second generation and beyond heirs to family fortunes who did not earn it.

      To the average Warrior, I think millionaire status may fit our definition of wealth, and the FACTS are MOST new millionaires, and they are now the majority (created in the Internet era) and they have done it by building businesses and providing products and services people want and pay for.

      I disagree with your post. MOST people of modern wealth have indeed EARNED it. Look no further than Allen Says, the builder of the Warrior Forum. I think HE earned his wealth.

      gjabiz

      PS. My opinion is posts like this reflect the poster's mindset more than anything else.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Unfortunately, we are indoctrinated into this Society with the 'ME' mindset.

        I know I am far from perfect; business wise and personal wise.

        But I do enjoy replying back to emails to Subs who may have a question or need a problem solved.
        And I try to really give in depth, well thought out replies that try to help them in some way or the other

        I know in the past nearly 100% of the people who I joined their List , if I replied with a question or observation to a follow up/broadcast they sent me two things would happen.
        1. never a reply back
        2. A one or two line generic answer or reply back to me

        So people need to wake up and realize the person on your List is a real, breathing human being who is looking for a litlte bit of Peace and Happiness in this Word just like you are


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    • Profile picture of the author icoachu
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      Most of the wealth in this country was amassed by robber barons, who stole it. Then it fell into the hands of their heirs, who inherited it.

      Very few truly wealthy people earned it.
      You might want to back up your assertions with facts: Most billionaires are self-made, not heirs | The University of Chicago Booth School of Business

      Sadly, based on facts, you're wrong. People can and do EARN wealth.

      Thinking that you're never going to make it is a sure path to FAILURE. Change your mindset, change your results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

    Here are my skills, experiences, interests. How can I HELP other people using these skills?

    The Warrior Forum would be an entirely different place if the mindset you mentioned were in place in most marketers.

    Have you ever noticed how all of the

    What's the fastest way to . . .
    What's the easiest way to . . .
    What's the best way to . . .
    What's the best niche . . .
    What's the best way to make passive income . . .

    type questions typically come from newbies or inexperienced business wannabees that are looking for the most profit with the least amount of effort and time?

    I'm not knocking newbies - we were all there at one time. I'm just pointing out that experienced business people are not looking for the fastest or easiest "no work" solution . . . they realize that they will be rewarded for the effort they put in to their business.

    Experienced and successful business owners understand that they would be no where without their customers.

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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      Have you ever noticed how all of the

      What's the fastest way to . . .
      What's the easiest way to . . .
      What's the best way to . . .
      What's the best niche . . .
      What's the best way to make passive income . . .

      type questions typically come from newbies or inexperienced business wannabees that are looking for the most profit with the least amount of effort and time?
      he,he ... That's a good point Steve B.

      But you'll also notice those are some of the lon...gest page 1 threads as well, with person after person (experienced and new) taking a stab at the vague, abstract and super generalized question.

      And they 'miraculously' attempt it without knowing or asking about the background, skills, experience or even aptitude of the O.P .... Amazing or Yikes, not sure which one is more appropriate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vincent Denali
    Most people are drawn to making money online because they've heard or bought into the idea that they can make lots of easy money. Unfortunately it's just the mindset that most of these people start with. If they actually understood the effort involved most would never even venture into this line of business. With that said, in time some will learn or develop the right mindset and continue on, most will not.
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    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
      Originally Posted by Vincent Denali View Post

      Most people are drawn to making money online because they've heard or bought into the idea that they can make lots of easy money. Unfortunately it's just the mindset that most of these people start with. If they actually understood the effort involved most would never even venture into this line of business. With that said, in time some will learn or develop the right mindset and continue on, most will not.
      Money is a major PREOCCUPATION with most people, it is one of the handful of things which are on everyone's mind. Offline has had the "easy money" pitch for decades too. MLM and Network Marketing offer up some great stories of easy money. Once it was MAILORDER, and eensy teenie little classified ads.

      So in the Biz-Op arena, this has always been true. And MINDSET may be the most crucial starting point a new Internet Marketer could work on.

      But I don't blame them, we are bombarded with these easy money messages and if anyone is to blame, it could be our school systems which simply don't explain how life works.

      As for WF, there has been a recent change, with many experienced IMers becoming silent, while a large influx of NEW people want to tap into our experiences. Sure, for some, it is repetitive and boring and appears to be a lazier crowd, but, they don't know any better.

      My post was to give them a different perspective on how to get the maximum benefit from the WF, and to make money and to sustain it, one has to think of niches, markets and how to serve them, BEFORE, they think only of themselves, we are all more interested in our own lives most of the time, but to see the same posts day after day creates a sense of being stuck in the quagmire of the new WF, instead of us reaching out and helping others.

      It has become, here is my one sentence post, click on my sig file and buy MY stuff.

      Anyhow, knowing what is on other people's minds, may be the only shortcut some need to learn.

      gjabiz
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  • Profile picture of the author SFNY
    I agree to an extent. I think there are some people on this forum that are genuinely here for help - advice, guidance, mentorship, ect. I do think that some people come here for the golden ticket and they think it should be handed to them. They will learn fast that there is none and nothing is ever handed.

    My particular reason for coming here is to learn. I'm currently in the exploring phase so it's important for me to learn and network as much as I can. I have also helped a handful of people and have been helped. That, to me, is what this forum should be about.

    BTW - I've been checking out your site. Very helpful stuff! Again, thank you for your help and one day I'll be able to return the favor.

    You have to put your time in, no doubt; but isn't this a place for the successful to give back a bit.
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    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
      when you say

      there are some people on this forum that are genuinely here for help - advice, guidance, mentorship,

      With so many thousands of people, of course there will be many different motivations and reasons for coming here.

      As far as what the forum SHOULD be about, isn't that up to the owners?

      AND, as far as the successful giving back, this indicates an uninformed, a newb opinion...over the years, scores of Warriors have given back, many with their time, being volunteer moderators and posting into the thousands of posts.

      With the new owners came new ways of doing things, and one thing that appears to have impacted many of the "successful giving back" was a feeling, perhaps, of not being appreciated and/or coming under attack from the trolls, the misinformed, the takers and the negative nellies under the guise of "reality".

      Search the archives and you'll find 15 years of success giving back. But, are they under some sort of obligation to do so?

      Many of the early WF successes, never visit, took their money and never looked back, while others, like Paul Myers, have given so much to the WF.

      It is a property of a publicly traded corporation, in it for the MONEY (as they should be)...I do not see why or how anyone could think that the successful should give more than they do?

      gjabiz



      Originally Posted by SFNY View Post

      I agree to an extent. I think there are some people on this forum that are genuinely here for help - advice, guidance, mentorship, ect. I do think that some people come here for the golden ticket and they think it should be handed to them. They will learn fast that there is none and nothing is ever handed.

      My particular reason for coming here is to learn. I'm currently in the exploring phase so it's important for me to learn and network as much as I can. I have also helped a handful of people and have been helped. That, to me, is what this forum should be about.

      BTW - I've been checking out your site. Very helpful stuff! Again, thank you for your help and one day I'll be able to return the favor.

      You have to put your time in, no doubt; but isn't this a place for the successful to give back a bit.
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      • Profile picture of the author SFNY
        Thank you for informing us about some of the history on WF. I, for one, had no idea this site was ever sold. I can see how some of the "Senior Warriors" or contributors can be easily frustrated with the direction this forum is heading or has headed - that local community feel being gone.

        With all due respect, I think you may have taken my last post out of context. I never said anyone SHOULD do anything for anyone. What I meant when I said "isn't this a place for the successful to give back a bit" I meant a place where they contribute their wealth of knowledge and provide help if they chose to - not a hand me down.

        Maybe I'm wrong but I can tell you why I came here. I came here to learn, read through 15 years of giving back, and ask questions to those willing to provide answers. If I can provide my feedback and help anyone with anything, I will.

        I truly believe in the power of a "forum.' Those seeking help and those providing it. I don't think anyone should expect anything done for them. This forum wouldn't be anything without people who are new and those who want to contribute helpful insight to benefit the community. I'm not saying you're wrong! I see the types of posts that you're talking about often and it affects the entire community. I am new here but I'm here for the right reasons. To learn, to provide help, and to contribute. Many people are not and THOSE are the people the community should want to scare away.

        A wise entrepreneur/IM dropped me a message a few days ago on here with some advice about staying off this forum and it being a distraction and a waste of time. Maybe he's right and maybe that's why the earlier successors never visit.

        Thanks again
        SFNY

        Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

        when you say

        there are some people on this forum that are genuinely here for help - advice, guidance, mentorship,

        With so many thousands of people, of course there will be many different motivations and reasons for coming here.

        As far as what the forum SHOULD be about, isn't that up to the owners?

        AND, as far as the successful giving back, this indicates an uninformed, a newb opinion...over the years, scores of Warriors have given back, many with their time, being volunteer moderators and posting into the thousands of posts.

        With the new owners came new ways of doing things, and one thing that appears to have impacted many of the "successful giving back" was a feeling, perhaps, of not being appreciated and/or coming under attack from the trolls, the misinformed, the takers and the negative nellies under the guise of "reality".

        Search the archives and you'll find 15 years of success giving back. But, are they under some sort of obligation to do so?

        Many of the early WF successes, never visit, took their money and never looked back, while others, like Paul Myers, have given so much to the WF.

        It is a property of a publicly traded corporation, in it for the MONEY (as they should be)...I do not see why or how anyone could think that the successful should give more than they do?

        gjabiz
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        • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
          Originally Posted by SFNY View Post


          I truly believe in the power of a "forum.' Those seeking help and those providing it. I don't think anyone should expect anything done for them.

          A wise entrepreneur/IM dropped me a message a few days ago on here with some advice about staying off this forum and it being a distraction and a waste of time. Maybe he's right and maybe that's why the earlier successors never visit.

          Thanks again
          SFNY
          Having started a few forums and participated in many, I too, believe in the POWER of a forum.

          As for this or ANY forum being a distraction, that addresses purpose and reasons for being at a forum, and only the person will be able to determine whether or not it is/was a waste of time.

          You may be in the majority, but the OP was more about FOCUS and the point is, if the focus comes from How can I make money vs a how can I help other people get what they want perspective...the newb is going to be one of those Warriors who spend far too long to get to a realistic goal rather than rapid achievement BECAUSE, they spent time focusing on what they want as opposed to finding markets, niches and identifying what people want...and helping them get it.

          gjabiz
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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

    A better question, in my opinion, would be:

    Here are my skills, experiences, interests. How can I HELP other people using these skills?

    Think about it, and when you get away from me, me me...and shift your thinking to helping they, them, her, him...

    wondrous things happen.

    gjabiz

    Couldn't agree more. Evidenced by my all time favorite quote in my sig file.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trey Morgan
    Very true. The problem is it usually takes awhile before one can truly make this shift in mindset. It took a few years before I began to see that "making money = helping as many people as possible".
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  • Profile picture of the author ryan2008
    Couldn't agree more when you help people solve problems you get what you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author KevinDahlberg
    I always find those "how can I make X in a day" posts to be both interesting and sad. There is no easy way. If there were, there would be a lot more people doing it.

    You may be in the majority, but the OP was more about FOCUS and the point is, if the focus comes from How can I make money vs a how can I help other people get what they want perspective...the newb is going to be one of those Warriors who spend far too long to get to a realistic goal rather than rapid achievement BECAUSE, they spent time focusing on what they want as opposed to finding markets, niches and identifying what people want...and helping them get it.
    I like this. Granted, it's taken me far too long, but that's because I haven't been focused on taking massive action. But that's another story for another day. Focusing on providing an amazing product and giving people what they want has given me success offline in the "real world."
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  • Profile picture of the author Bnhappy1
    Working in an industry that is about helping people get what they want, I can say that it definitely does help you personally. The one thing I find so annoying about it is that many people have a tendency to take advantage of it, you give, give, give, try to help as much as possible, and in turn you get a lot of people that are best buds with you yelling "gimme, gimme, gimme", yet will not give back or try to help themselves. I agree with giving, and helping people get what they want, but there is also a fine line of giving to much, be it time, something physical, knowledge, etc. Give and help, but set boundaries or you will become a doormat.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
    Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

    Any given day at this forum:

    Read through and see how many I, I, I, Me, ME, ME threads are started,

    A better question, in my opinion, would be:

    Here are my skills, experiences, interests. How can I HELP other people using these skills?
    gjabiz
    Those are golden points for sure. The catch? Many people still come to online marketing with no skills, no interest and no experience (at least that's what they think initially).

    You see the questions constantly on this forum.
    Quote: "I have no skills, experience or hobby/interests ...How can I make money or what niche should I choose"?

    Then a laundry list of people suggest affiliate marketing, build a list, pick a niche, build a funnel, etc. But few if any will suggest he educate himself first. So the ... "you don't need to be educated to succeed online" myth is continued by default.

    Let's face it, Internet Marketing is still and will probably always have the "come one come all and get rich" vibe. No skills, experience or interests necessary. Psst (whispering) all you need to know are a few special secrets (wink, wink).
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    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
      IM has no more "come one and come all" and get rich quick schemes or money making opportunities as the off line and "old" world did.

      The so-called "catch" is in the belief of the reader. So, there is no catch, except the one brought along.

      Get rich quick schemes have been around for centuries, and IM is no different.

      As for quick and easy, well, that too, depends on what you bring to the game.

      And I think many bring skills or experience which could be converted to income, but, they don't know how...I might agree in the Masses, but who reading is not an INDIVIDUAL???

      I choose NOT to lump everyone together and arrive at "MANY" people.

      I ask the reader are YOU one of the many in the "catch is" group?

      gjabiz

      Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

      Those are golden points for sure. The catch? Many people still come to online marketing with no skills, no interest and no experience (at least that's what they think initially).

      You see the questions constantly on this forum.
      Quote: "I have no skills, experience or hobby/interests ...How can I make money or what niche should I choose"?

      Then a laundry list of people suggest affiliate marketing, build a list, pick a niche, build a funnel, etc. But few if any will suggest he educate himself first. So the ... "you don't need to be educated to succeed online" myth is continued by default.

      Let's face it, Internet Marketing is still and will probably always have the "come one come all and get rich" vibe. No skills, experience or interests necessary. Psst (whispering) all you need to know are a few special secrets (wink, wink).
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