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Do you REALLY share your best techniques on this forum?

by abilify182
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Well, I know that the WF is a good place to learn about IM and all, but do you REALLY share your best techniques on this forum? I know it sounds like a "stupid" question since doing so can create too much competition, but other people don't seem to have a problem sharing their success stories.

So, do you? If not, what are you here for?
#forum #share #techniques
  • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
    Sharing techniques is never a problem for me for these 3 reasons ...

    #1. 80% of people will never do them.
    #2. 15% will never do them "long enough" to see them work.
    #3. The 5% that do # 1 and #2 will turn into long-term customers, referrals, fans, influencers or virus spreaders in some way.

    So, the benefits are there for those who choose to share their successful techniques - with very little downside IMO.

    Of course if you have a secret recipe for fried chicken, a soft drink or cookie recipe it might not be a good idea to share that with the world. But sharing your "technique" for cooking chicken, making soda's or baking cookies shouldn't hurt you. Usually it'll win you more long-term fans.
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    • Profile picture of the author kilgore
      Your question presupposes what I consider to be one of most prevalent myths about online business: that there are "secret" methods or techniques and that these secrets must be guarded.

      But the fact is that all the best marketing techniques are out there for you to see -- you just have too look for them. In fact, you're probably already seeing them, you're probably just not noticing them.

      Wanna learn the secret to building an amazing sales page? Check out Amazon.com or Apple.com and see how a team with almost limitless expertise, talent and resources does it.

      Wanna learn how to write great copy for your emails? Sign up for a bunch of email lists from some other top companies and see what they do.

      Wanna learn how to do social media marketing? Find some really engaging Facebook or Twitter pages and subscribe.

      It's really that easy -- marketing is, after all, a public activity, not something you can do in a secret lab.

      I'm not saying you can't learn anything on the WF, but personally I'm inclined to believe that you can learn a lot more by watching and studying the top companies in their fields than by looking for "secret" techniques from a bunch of random people on a public forum.

      What you can do however, is study the best techniques on the internet then ask specific questions about what you see in the WF. There really is a lot of talent around here, but while the people who really know what they're doing aren't hoarding (or pretending to hoard) secrets or knowledge, they also aren't giving out handouts of secret push-button techniques that are guaranteed to make you rich. The reason for that, of course, is those types of techniques just don't exist.

      So to answer your question, do I share my best techniques? Sure. But so do Apple, Google, Amazon, Coca-Cola and Microsoft. But as Niche Man said, knowing something is one thing. Actually being able to do it is another.
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    • Profile picture of the author kk075
      Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

      Sharing techniques is never a problem for me for these 3 reasons ...

      #1. 80% of people will never do them.
      #2. 15% will never do them "long enough" to see them work.
      #3. The 5% that do # 1 and #2 will turn into long-term customers, referrals, fans, influencers or virus spreaders in some way.
      I completely agree; there are no downsides to helping others out with information.

      Now, I get where others are coming from as well because they're affiliate marketers with a very specific process to get their ads clicked, and since 90% of this forum competes in the "sell information in the IM niche", it makes sense for them to remain quiet.

      But there is a whole lot more to internet marketing than selling internet marketing products, so others will be a lot more likely to share once they realize you're not here to steal their golden goose. I've also noticed that the more specific the OP's question is, the better the information is that they receive back.

      I hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamescanz
    Sprinkled around through many posts, I might have.

    Yet as they say "When the student is ready, the teacher arrives"...

    However, many students aren't ready yet (whether they realize it or not)...

    And the best stuff would go in 1 ear and out the other.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    I would never share my best techniques in public.

    And I'm happy to tell you why.

    Sometimes, certain systems can get saturated. I've seen it happen more times than I can remember. Countless times I've been logged into a forum (never this one, actually) and seen someone share a system and literally slap my forehead; knowing full well that, in days or weeks, perhaps months if we're all lucky, the system will be dead.

    And then there is the case of wanting to earn something for all of my hard work. If an artist toils for months on a piece of art, he deserves remuneration, correct? Well, with some of my systems, I've devoted not merely months but over two decades to perfecting them. I would never share these without at least acquiring an email or a small membership fee. And you shouldn't either. I'm of the belief that if I work, I should get paid, or at least have the chance of eventual payment.

    Having said all that, I do enjoy helping people in public, as many of you will know, with systems that I am happy to make public. And these are not poor, not weak, not dead systems. I often tell people on WF how to use blogging and affiliate marketing. This system, for instance, will never die out. What I do, with this system and any others I mention, is merely break it down to a blueprint that people can understand and take action on. I believe this is of great help sometimes, since the component parts of such systems can often be scattered about WF, forcing one to learn each bit before knowing the whole. When I post here, I often just save them the trouble and give them the whole.

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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Most but not all. There are some things that I really want to share but I know some of the characters in here will jump on it so quick, it will make my head spin. lol

      These aren't really techniques as much as legit ideas to make money online.


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    • Profile picture of the author kilgore
      Originally Posted by Tom Addams View Post

      Sometimes, certain systems can get saturated. I've seen it happen more times than I can remember. Countless times I've been logged into a forum (never this one, actually) and seen someone share a system and literally slap my forehead; knowing full well that, in days or weeks, perhaps months if we're all lucky, the system will be dead.
      Tom (or anybody else),
      Please believe that I'm not at all trying to be argumentative or contentious, but I'm curious if you can provide an example of one of those systems that got saturated and so no longer is working.

      The reason I ask is that that sort of concept just seems foreign to me, though perhaps we're just coming at online business from different directions. Every system we use is used by tons and tons of other businesses, but I wouldn't call them saturated. We're certainly innovative in the way we apply these systems in unique ways to our own unique situation, but there's certainly nothing we do that if others knew about it, what we do would become saturated or otherwise ineffective.

      After seeing what we've done, we've certainly seen some competition spring up, but what makes us successful isn't that we have some special knowledge that others don't, but rather it's that we do what we do better than anyone else does. Again, it's not some "secret" knowledge that defines our success -- it's our ability to execute our business plan and provide value to our customers. I'm not saying it's easy, but there's really no secret to it. Almost everything we do is out there for our customers (and our competitors) to see and learn from.
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  • Profile picture of the author Internet Trillionaire
    I gave away very valuable information for a while only to find out that most people only act on or apply information they paid for. Yes I've read some great content filled threads giving great money making information, but the really good content to take action on will be in the great WSO's section.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
    There's no "Technique" - you either do or you don't do.

    I've posted a few very large threads where I went into MUCHO detail about how to do KW research, build a blog or even do email marketing.

    I'm sure a few people got started with what I taught, but most probably never even got that far.

    I'm getting to the point with WF where i just say "why bother"
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    I even share my most profitable niches and exactly how to exploit them.

    #1. 80% of people will never do them.
    I estimate more like 95%.
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  • Profile picture of the author pietjeplukt
    the biggest `secret` is TAKING ACTION.
    if you take massive action, you are doomed to succeed!
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    I share technique, just not niches, traffic sources, and my exact monetization strategies.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vincent Denali
    Whether it is here for free on the forum or even in some paid products, there is usually something left out. It might just be the certain unexplainable quality that someone has. Tactics can be explained, but a lot might just come down to the person putting those tactics into action.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Hi,

    Yes But I may not write a 10,000 word piece of content, like through my eBooks lol....although i do go in depth from time to time, I post 7,000 words or more to my blog on most weeks so it's a time issue, not being as thorough here as on my blog and as through my Amazon eBooks. I will say that yep, I do share the exact, practical, proven techniques I used to Blog from Paradise. I am writing these words from Bali because I did the stuff I share with you awesome guys and gals every day.

    The thing is guys, most of the hyper happy AND successful folks you read about gave their best work away for free while they offered a product or service. We live in abundance, so you can't be penalized, or hurt, or you can't struggle, by giving away your best work for free, while you give away your best work with a price tag on it, because people will gobble up your free content, trust you, then they will hire you or buy your stuff.

    Chris Brogan, a mentor of mine,spoke of generating millions of dollars through public speaking engagements, through his blog alone. People found him through his free, super impacting, blog posts, and hired one. 1 such person was a royal family from the Middle East, who had Chris speak to the fam. Not bad. He stresses that the millions were rooted in him giving way his best stuff for free, for like, 7 years or more. Abundance.

    Don't hold back guys; I have lived in Fiji for 4 months and Bali, well, I've traveled here 5 times, and I've been in Thailand for 22 months through my blogging income. Give away your best stuff and yes, charge for it too, and you'll be amazed at how your fortunes will change.

    Onward and upward.

    Tweeting from Bali.

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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post

      The thing is guys, most of the hyper happy AND successful folks you read about gave their best work away for free while they offered a product or service.
      Good idea, but takes "Big B*lls" , because if you have a 'Shaky' product you could lose yours. Warning: Not for wimps or the faint of heart. But works in the right circumstances.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxsi
    YES, why not? (The real truth is => take action from what you learn)
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  • Profile picture of the author ContentPro22
    People get so caught up in the "advanced" stuff, that they completely forget the fundamentals, which are:

    Leads ------> Landing Page ------> Prospects ------> Promote Own Product (or Affiliate Product) ------> Customers

    It's really THAT easy. We are the ones who make it complicated. Ignore all the "bells and whistles" and focus on what works, in my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by ContentPro22 View Post

      People get so caught up in the "advanced" stuff, that they completely forget the fundamentals, which are:

      Leads ------> Landing Page ------> Prospects ------> Promote Own Product (or Affiliate Product) ------> Customers

      It's really THAT easy. We are the ones who make it complicated. Ignore all the "bells and whistles" and focus on what works, in my opinion.
      It may be simple, but it isn't "easy". But it is easy to explain "what" to do. It's the "how" that's the tough part.


      And before getting leads, one needs to first learn how to get traffic/eyeballs.
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      • Profile picture of the author ContentPro22
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        It may be simple, but it isn't "easy". But it is easy to explain "what" to do. It's the "how" that's the tough part.


        And before getting leads, one needs to first learn how to get traffic/eyeballs.
        I don't mean "easy" in the sense that you won't have to work. I mean easy in the sense that the you can literally have everything setup in less than 6 hours and have subscribers in less than 24. If it were really easy we wouldn't have our forum Here's how to get 100 email subscribers in 24 hours (seriously).

        1. Go to Clickbank.com and find a product that you want to promote. Doesn't matter which (just choose one for the sake of experimentation). Preferably one with high gravity (but NOT in the "make money online" niche since this is packed with competition and will be tough to rank for as beginner.
        2. Buy a domain name and hosting (can be exact match domain or not, doesn't matter).
        3. Purchase OptimizePress, LeadPages, or Thesis and put together your landing page. Expense = $97. Create big, nice heading, few bullet points, and let visitors know why they're there.
        4. Go to Aweber.com and create your email campaign. Place your email opt-in form on your landing page.
        5. Write your free eBook that you're going to give away in exchange for the name and email. Get the cover done on Fiverr for $5 (very professional here and cheap). Place the eBook on your landing page.
        6. Use PPC marketing to buy traffic. Expense = $100 to $200 (or more if you have funds). Assuming conversion rate of at least 40% (which is easy with a descent landing page), and assuming $1 or so per click, you can expect to get between 50 and 100 subscribers or something like that.
        7. With a 60% open rate, and 1-3% click through rate, maybe you make 1 or 2 affiliate sales worth $25-$75 each (almost making your money back right away).

        A/B test everything to get the most "bang for your buck", and just repeat.

        Total Expenses: $302
        Gross Earnings: $150
        Net Loss: -$150

        BUT....

        You'll recoup these losses over the next few days/weeks as you continue to build your list through organic methods, as well as continue to promote affiliate products to your current list.

        As far as learning how to install WordPress, build an Aweber campaign, write emails, etc....all of this can be learned within a few hours by watching YouTube videos. Compared to building niche/authority websites, building a product, selling eBooks, whatever...this method is by far the easiest for beginners.

        In the grand scheme of things, losing $150 is nothing compared to the amount of money that you'll earn from your list in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author karlstech
    Why shouldn't one share their best techniques here?

    It helps build your reputation and forum presence. You won't lose money by sharing your best techniques here. There is one exception though:

    If you have a product you're selling, don't share everything in that product for free here though!
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  • Profile picture of the author RemyMartin
    I guess it depends on what business you're in, but as a media buyer I will never share techniques, traffic sources, methods, etc.. Why?

    1. Because anyone that does so is a fool.

    2. It's a waste of time. This isn't quantum physics. If someone can't find success from their own trial and error, they will never succeed in this industry. You have to have drive and ambition. You have to be a hustler, not a "worker".

    3. People need to stop reading and take more action.
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    • Profile picture of the author Apra Barua
      Most of the techniques are already available for people to notice and practise. These are not secret. The only secret is that those who are getting results are taking action and not waiting for "The" secret technique to be revealed to them by someone.
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  • Profile picture of the author daniyal100
    yeah right, some one just made 10,000$ with a technique and then come here to share it in form of a 9$ product and then spend all his time to sell it.
    You really believe this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bnhappy1
    Great question, and really like seeing all the responses. I have actually been on this forum for years, but have not been active, actually just becoming active because I love the info that you can find here. I believe that the responses given about people who do not take action, thus becoming those you sell to seems to be really relevant. As I said, I have been on here for many years, but not active because I fell into the category of not taking action, but this was simply with the affiliate marketing side. I have taken action in personal specialized niches of my personal interest and done quite well with it.

    That being said, I have to agree with the posts that those who do not take action make it very easy for many to post anything they want, but many will remain buyers, not sellers and marketers. I do get that giving away secrets that are working for you could definitely saturate the market and kill an income for yourself by creating to much competition, but in general, good info to learn things that you must do to get moving in the right direction is all over the forum, so anyone who really wants it will put in some effort and can get some money flowing if they simply take action to make it happen. Secrets or no secrets, there are enough tools and info to get rolling, you can learn your own secrets along the way, in the mean time using what you have is key to making something happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nikhil V Nair
    A technique is applicable only if you have
    the right system in Place.

    Eg: Suppose you are selling an ebook
    successfully. Every step involved in this system
    like sales copy, payment processing, driving traffic etc is
    working properly.

    Now you can apply a lot of techniques to
    increase your profits. A few techniques are

    1)More effective headline in the copy
    2) An irresistible upsell
    3) Limited time bonus
    4) Giving a $1 trail for 7 days
    5) An entirely different sales copy

    All these techniques can multiply your profit
    only because YOU HAVE A BASIC WORKING SYSTEM IN PLACE.

    Many people look for techniques but they don't have
    a system.

    Now regarding your question about whether I reveal my
    technique, I may not if that is something exclusive
    and ruin my business if I reveal it

    If it doesn't affect my business then I think it's
    better to share it so that other can benefit from it

    Hope it helps
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Yes I do. I believe in ABUNDANCE. The more you share, the more you grow. It's not even a question of 'getting back.' That's too selfish. It's more about sharing. Thanks to people that shared with me in the past, I get to do what I love (content marketing, building sites, online publishing) for a living.
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  • Profile picture of the author LimitlessTraffic
    I believe that the more you share, help and impact others - the more you get in return (not only talking about the mula here). It could be immediate or further down the future. The IM market is wayyy too big to get saturated.

    Its sad but like many have mention before, not everyone will do it.

    Maybe its the belief that there is some "secret sauce" or maybe there are trust issues within this industry. Who knows?

    You can find out the "best techniques" anywhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author abilify182
    Wow, thanks for the responsr guys.
    Another thing. Did you learn everything on this forum when you were starting out?
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