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Hi,

By reading this forum (especially the JV's section), it seems that some of you are runing very profitable online businesses. Personnally, if I were in their position, I would give a hand to new entrepreneurs by investing in their projects as a business angel for small (or bigger) projects and help them to drive on the fastlane to success.
It is in the interest of everybody.
I am just wondering why there is not more this kind of people here.

Kind regards
Frederic Cottart
#business angels #investment #selfish
  • Profile picture of the author Marked09
    There are a lot of people doing that already and I'm sure a lot of successful people here already tried doing it.

    However, most the people who are being helped for free don't want to work or not committed.Building an online business requires time and money but if the people who's being helped does not want to do that then most of the time it's just a waste of time for both of them.

    A real and qualified coach/mentor make more money running their business than coaching so it is only reasonable to ask for a "small" price as a way to filter out tire kickers and get more serious people who are willing to work.

    You got to remember that they have limited time so It's better choose the right people who are serious and wants to change their lives.


    On the brighter side, you can still get a lot of value by following them and reading what they share in the forum/group/website.

    You also have to take into consideration that writing a free guide takes time to prepare as well but doing this enable them to reach and help more people.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by Marked09 View Post


      However, most the people who are being helped don't want to work or not committed in making things work.

      Building an online business requires time / money but if the people who's being helped does not want to do that then most of the time it's just a waste of time for both of them.
      Couldn't have said it better myself.

      I've sold HUNDREDS of websites - LITERALLY. Well over 70% are abandoned within 6 months. I mean, these are people for whom I've built the site, provided the initial list of products to promote, provided a step-by-step manual to succeed, and even a plugin that makes producing content a breeze.

      Why on earth would I spend ANY of my time (for free) on people who I know are very likely to quit within 6 months anyway?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        "Don't be so selfish"????

        You have 13 posts here and EVERY ONE of them is "advertise my book" - "help me sell my book" - "promote my product". Your very first thread here was about how to run an ad to sell to people here.

        Have you joined the Warrior Book Club - the private forum here devoted to writing and promoting books? Have you done a simple "search" on this forum for the word

        kindle

        as a thread title? If you do that you'll find tons of informative threads about promoting ebooks on Amazon.


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        • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
          Haaa !! Finally I've got some reactions. Sad that I had to write a provocative post.

          I read this shit: "You're asking for people to JV with you so you get to build a huge list overnight, sell a thousand copies of your book/report/whatever, and yet you have nothing to give in return?"

          No, I want to JV with someone serious, give him 65% on each sale and work hard together but nobody gave a shit until now to my request of partnership. I can't offer anything better. If I will manage to do it, trust me that I will be the first who will propose to invest in newbies project.
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          • Profile picture of the author Cali16
            Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

            Haaa !! Finally I've got some reactions. Sad that I had to write a provocative post.

            I read this shit: "You're asking for people to JV with you so you get to build a huge list overnight, sell a thousand copies of your book/report/whatever, and yet you have nothing to give in return?"

            No, I want to JV with someone serious, give him 65% on each sale and work hard together but nobody gave a shit until now to my request of partnership. I can't offer anything better. If I will manage to do it, trust me that I will be the first who will propose to invest in newbies project.
            With the attitude you've displayed in this thread, NO one is going to want to work with you.

            Arissa is right. With no proven track record of any kind, no one is going to just step in and work with you for 65% of what may end up being zero. Just because you think your book is great, that doesn't mean it will sell.

            You're new to the forum, acting like an entitled child copping an attitude and being rude because no one is giving you what you demand.... I can pretty much guarantee you that approach is never going to work.
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            • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
              Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

              With the attitude you've displayed in this thread, NO one is going to want to work with you.

              Arissa is right. With no proven track record of any kind, no one is going to just step in and work with you for 65% of what may end up being zero. Just because you think your book is great, that doesn't mean it will sell.

              You're new to the forum, acting like an entitled child copping an attitude and being rude because no one is giving you what you demand.... I can pretty much guarantee you that approach is never going to work.

              All french people just love to be provocative, this is what make us so special

              Ok, I thought that 75% of the benefit is a good deal. So what should I propose on your opinion ?
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        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        Couldn't have said it better myself.

        I've sold HUNDREDS of websites - LITERALLY. Well over 70% are abandoned within 6 months. I mean, these are people for whom I've built the site, provided the initial list of products to promote, provided a step-by-step manual to succeed, and even a plugin that makes producing content a breeze.

        Why on earth would I spend ANY of my time (for free) on people who I know are very likely to quit within 6 months anyway?
        Yes, I know what you mean - you get told off and called a scam artist if you advertise a service to help them, then when you do try they don't want to know because it is not quite as sexy and glamorous as they thought-it actually requires effort and consistent action. People are not happy unless you hand them a fully functioning, monetized web business - sheesh
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        • Just because some people choose not to spoonfeed others doesn't mean they're selfish. There's no need to call them names.

          The fact that people in the forum take time to reply to posts is enough proof that they're not only thinking of themselves. If one is so selfish, why participate in a forum where you are expected to exchange ideas and offer advice?
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      • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        Couldn't have said it better myself.

        I've sold HUNDREDS of websites - LITERALLY. Well over 70% are abandoned within 6 months. I mean, these are people for whom I've built the site, provided the initial list of products to promote, provided a step-by-step manual to succeed, and even a plugin that makes producing content a breeze.

        Why on earth would I spend ANY of my time (for free) on people who I know are very likely to quit within 6 months anyway?

        I perfectly understand you. If I were you I would also be pissed off. In my case I really willing to build something serious.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cleberl1
        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        Couldn't have said it better myself.

        I've sold HUNDREDS of websites - LITERALLY. Well over 70% are abandoned within 6 months. I mean, these are people for whom I've built the site, provided the initial list of products to promote, provided a step-by-step manual to succeed, and even a plugin that makes producing content a breeze.

        Why on earth would I spend ANY of my time (for free) on people who I know are very likely to quit within 6 months anyway?
        That's sad but true. Problem is that many people looking for easy and fast ways to make money online and when they discover it requires hard hard work they simply give up.
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    • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
      Originally Posted by Marked09 View Post

      There are a lot of people doing that already and I'm sure a lot of successful people here already tried doing it.

      However, most the people who are being helped for free don't want to work or not committed.Building an online business requires time and money but if the people who's being helped does not want to do that then most of the time it's just a waste of time for both of them.

      A real and qualified coach/mentor make more money running their business than coaching so it is only reasonable to ask for a "small" price as a way to filter out tire kickers and get more serious people who are willing to work.

      You got to remember that they have limited time so It's better choose the right people who are serious and wants to change their lives.


      On the brighter side, you can still get a lot of value by following them and reading what they share in the forum/group/website.

      You also have to take into consideration that writing a free guide takes time to prepare as well but doing this enable them to reach and help more people.

      Hey guys just for information: THIS was the smartest answer today. Thank you very much Marked09.
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    Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

    Don't be so selfish
    I have no words for this.

    But I do have a related thought.

    I have suffered greatly, over many years and many ventures, to get myself to a point where I enjoy success. I made choices that had near-devastating impacts on my family on the quest for a working business.

    Today, life is pretty good. I have several working businesses. But my DNA is infused with the scars of experience. Every action I take is informed by years of mistakes, successes, failures and victories.

    When I was younger and more arrogant, I am not sure I would have listened to the older and wiser me. When I advise people, for free, on this very forum, I see responses that sound like the younger me.

    "Yeah, that sounds great for you, but I am different. I want to try it my way first, without all that work. If my way fails, maybe I'll give yours a try."

    And that is their choice to make. The way I see it, the most important ingredient in a working business is experience. Hard won, visceral experience. You don't get that by someone taking you by the hand and doing the hard work for you.

    You can think I am being selfish. The way I see it, I am protecting you from yourself. Your stupid self, the one who thinks a successful business is a thing to be owned rather than a journey to be embarked on.

    While I take action every day that impacts my businesses and my family and my clients and my community, you are on the constant search for the next shortcut, cheat or trick that you think I am hiding from you.

    While you resent me over that, you are not taking positive forward action for yourself.

    And THAT is why you are failing.

    Stop looking for the shortcuts, and do something small to move yourself closer to a real goal. There is no shortage of actual resources here and elsewhere for you follow.

    Well, what do you know? It looks like I found some words after all. If you were smart, you would listen to them.

    But you won't, and that is OK with me. I am where I need to be, and someday maybe you will be too.
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    If you had to invest in every desperate Newbies hairbrained scheme you'd be on the fastlane to bankruptcy....
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      Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

      If you had to invest in every desperate Newbies hairbrained scheme you'd be on the fastlane to bankruptcy....
      And the nut house!

      Cheers. - Frank
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      Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

      If you had to invest in every desperate Newbies hairbrained scheme you'd be on the fastlane to bankruptcy....
      And if you even advertise that you are investing you'll be overwhelmed with every desperate Newbies hairbrained scheme.
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      Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

      If you had to invest in every desperate Newbies hairbrained scheme you'd be on the fastlane to bankruptcy....
      I must say you do bring so much positivity to this forum, but you do have a point!
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  • Profile picture of the author markbyrne
    I am at a point where I need to be selfish. By being selfish, I'm able to give generously at a later date. But there's always something in it for me, otherwise my kids wonder where the food and lighting went.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eagle07
      Originally Posted by markbyrne View Post

      I am at a point where I need to be selfish. By being selfish, I'm able to give generously at a later date. But there's always something in it for me, otherwise my kids wonder where the food and lighting went.
      I simply love your point!... your second line in particular. Good point!
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      • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
        Originally Posted by Eagle07 View Post

        I simply love your point!... your second line in particular. Good point!
        I agree with you
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      Originally Posted by Arun Chandran View Post

      Without struggle, there is no success.
      While that sounds great, it's not the least bit true. It is by no means necessary to struggle to achieve success. It simply depends on how much you know on any given topic and how you apply your knowledge and skills.

      If I'm struggling, I know that I'm in the wrong discipline.

      Cheers. - Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        While that sounds great, it's not the least bit true. It is by no means necessary to struggle to achieve success.


        True. However if a person is struggling, their success will be all the greater. (IMO.)
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          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          True. However if a person is struggling, their success will be all the greater. (IMO.)
          Struggling is the main reason that people quit most endeavors. It takes a very special person to be willing to struggle mightily to achieve their dream. Truth be told, 99% of people do not fall into that category. That is one of the reasons that great success is so difficult to achieve. If all you had to do is struggle, than anyone could be rich through achieving success.

          Personally, not until I learned to stop struggling and delve into areas that came naturally to me and that I had a high degree of knowledge in, did I achieve any lasting success. You can keep your struggling. Nothing better or more satisfying than 'easy money.' :-)

          Not trying to rain on your parade. Just looking to splash a little reasoned, common-sense onto the endless stream of platitudes that people post that while they sound good on paper, have little to do with real life.

          IMHO. :-)

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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            You make a good point, Frank. : )

            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            Just looking to splash a little reasoned, common-sense onto the endless stream of platitudes that people post that while they sound good on paper, have little to do with real life.
            Maybe it's just my experience however if I hadn't of struggled so much in life I wouldn't be where I am today.
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            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              You make a good point, Frank. : )



              Maybe it's just my experience however if I hadn't of struggled so much in life I wouldn't be where I am today.
              Point taken, however, we have no way of knowing the answer to your question. For arguments sake, we could surmise that had you decided that struggling was not suited to your personality or life plan, and moved on to something you may had had an organic affinity for, who's to say that you might not have achieved massive success, in record time, without the struggle? We'll never know. What your comment does is attempt to lend a positive aspect to your struggle. lol That's fine, but it only applies to you. Everyone's experiences are different.

              Honestly, if I were looking to struggle in life - I'd be married. :-) I have found the path of least resistance to be the most satisfying, pleasant and lucrative.

              Struggling is just a form of masochism or not possessing enough personal enlightenment to know that it's time to move on to something that is more suited to your inner-self. Some folks refer to it as, 'beating your head against a wall.' I have only one word for that. OUCH!!! When I was a young man I felt more as you do. With age comes wisdom, generally. I'm quite old and I like to think that I have gained enough wisdom to realize that you only live once and that one's existence should not me engulfed in a daily struggle, especially just to make money.

              Pursue what you know, what you love and/or what comes easy to you. In my world, you gain no extra points for struggling.

              Cheers. - Frank
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              • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                Honestly, if I were looking to struggle in life - I'd be married. :-)


                Lol. Well, fair enough. : P
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  • I've been helping new entrepreneurs for a while now and currently have 2 under my wing as a mentor (had 3 but 1 gave up to easy). I also have friends who are doing the same. Not sure where you get this selfish thing from.... If people want to be selfish though they have the right to be.

    I got a skype call yesterday from one of the guy's I'm teaching actually and he had his first $500 week. Felt good hearing that. I only mentor people who actually put in the hard work and don't pester me 24/7 about making money... still I'm helping people out.

    I don't invest in my students.. I did that once and lost $900

    I haven't been around WF for long but on other forums I've been a huge help to new people wanting help.
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  • People do help.
    However, it's up to the new internet marketers to get committed, learn and succeed.

    There is only so much you can learn, to really get results you need training and action!
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  • Profile picture of the author davidfrankk
    If you have a good idea that shows potential, a lot of people here will help you out. Instead of blaming people of being selfish, share new ideas and collaborate with people who share the vision.
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  • Profile picture of the author pewpewpewmonkeys
    "Don't be so selfish"

    Says the guy who wants to tell others how exactly he wants their money to be used.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

    Personnally, if I were in their position, I would give a hand to new entrepreneurs by investing in their projects
    When you ARE in this position, you'll either understand why other people don't, or you'll learn by experience.

    I recommend the understanding method. It's cheaper and less stressful.
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    Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

    Hi,

    By reading this forum (especially the JV's section), it seems that some of you are runing very profitable online businesses. Personnally, if I were in their position, I would give a hand to new entrepreneurs by investing in their projects as a business angel for small (or bigger) projects and help them to drive on the fastlane to success.
    It is in the interest of everybody.
    I am just wondering why there is not more this kind of people here.

    Kind regards
    Frederic Cottart
    The fact you titled this thread "Don't be so selfish" is pretty clear the kind of person you are.

    I can already tell you're a lazy idiot. You're literally asking people to share their paychecks with you because you're inexperienced and if they don't, they're selfish according to you.

    Why not build some skills and seek out a mentor the right way instead of expecting people with some success to make your life easier, just because?
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    Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

    I would give a hand to new entrepreneurs

    So Frederic, what do you need a hand with? You didn't give any specifics.

    Ask one question at a time and I'm sure there are people here that will answer your Internet marketing questions. Just be respectful of people's time and business privacy and I'm sure you'll get the help you need.

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      He's given specifics in every post except this rant - all you have to do is look at previous posts to know what he wants.

      I will not encourage someone who posts rudely to members here because he hasn't gotten what he wants.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    I'm guessing this is just a trolling thread?
    From being on this forum for several years, I see several people helping others out. All you need to do is ask
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    • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
      Originally Posted by ChrisBa View Post

      I'm guessing this is just a trolling thread?
      From being on this forum for several years, I see several people helping others out. All you need to do is ask
      That's what I did actually first. But I even didn't get an answer.
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        Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

        That's what I did actually first. But I even didn't get an answer.
        Then you need to reevaluate the question and perhaps the way in which it was presented.

        Cheers. - Frank
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        • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
          Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

          Then you need to reevaluate the question and perhaps the way in which it was presented.

          Cheers. - Frank
          Thanks for the advice. I will reconsider it
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Honestly - you don't look too good in this thread so not sure why you would want 1000 views. To each his own, I guess.
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            • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              Honestly - you don't look too good in this thread so not sure why you would want 1000 views. To each his own, I guess.

              But you still answered to it
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              • Profile picture of the author discrat
                Wow, I took a couple of days break and I miss all the fun here

                Good stuff as usual from Frank, Kay, Jack and a few others.

                Oh yeah, a blast from the past : CDdarklock. I thought that guy had ODed or something by now

                J/K! Maybe that is not something to joke about.

                But it is early Monday morning so I hope guys will excuse me



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                • Profile picture of the author IntoughShape
                  LOLololol, I'm just reading all this and its just LOLS for DAYS
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                  • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
                    Originally Posted by IntoughShape View Post

                    LOLololol, I'm just reading all this and its just LOLS for DAYS
                    I am really glad to make you smile during this day
                    Stay tuned mate, it's not over
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                • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                  Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                  Oh yeah, a blast from the past : CDdarklock. I thought that guy had ODed or something by now
                  I moved my business from 100% Warrior Forum to 100% Facebook to test my SWIFT model of community engagement. It works, I'm satisfied, I made a product about it.

                  Of course, the Warrior Forum has changed a lot in my absence, so I get to use the technique all over again from the "communities you were in before but have neglected" position.

                  Test, test, test. And if what you're doing isn't hard, someone else is just going to come along and do it faster - if not better.

                  I still need to do my 8,000 post rollup of "things I learned that newbies need to know." But since it's been a while, I thought I'd participate a little and get my name into people's heads before doing that thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Hi Frederic,

    Most Warriors are generous. I believe that

    Take me: For 7 years of my life, I have given away endless free information. Millions of words of free, valuable content. Emphasis on millions because I've published over 10,000 blog posts on a variety of blogs, have 21 books, and have written thousands of articles too. That's as generous as they come lol. But if I stop by here I may not have the time - after those 7 years of giving stuff away - to offer free advice. I already did. Millions of word's worth. But even then, I publish one, 6,000 word blog post weekly along with free content on Warrior.

    I'd suggest that if someone seems selfish, look within. You are connected to everybody. We are all one. So, what you see in others is what you see in yourself. It stings a bit, knowing this, but WOW is it freeing because I took the same journey one day. Warriors are generous and in truth, any business person who's busy as hell, had to give away free content for months or years to gain trust, to grow their businesses. Dig deeper. Research blogs, and this forum, and other channels. The most selfish - as it appears in your mind - are generally the most generous. Just dig deeper.

    Hope this helps Frederic!

    Onward and upward.

    Tweeting from Bali.

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  • Profile picture of the author Tim3
    Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

    Don't be so selfish


    How can I put this without causing offence...
    I'm don't have a way with words so...

    Up Yours!

    Some members here spend a lot of their free time typing replies, trying to help others by sharing their inside knowledge and expertise, they get (or expect) nothing in return, and many of the people so helped, do not even use the thanks button or acknowledge the information received.

    I don't think I have ever used a before to anyone here.
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  • Profile picture of the author OptimisticGrin
    I have only been here about a week, and I have already received exceptional insights and suggestions from more experienced users. Honestly, it's pretty easy to figure out that this forum is the epitome of helping one another. Shame on you, Briedis2.
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  • Profile picture of the author Arissa Lockhart
    Don't be so selfish?

    LOL... Don't be so self-entitled! You want anything in life, you WORK HARD for it.

    You're asking for people to JV with you so you get to build a huge list overnight, sell a thousand copies of your book/report/whatever, and yet you have nothing to give in return?

    If you're looking for handouts, go to a church or something.

    But before that, here's a tip: I dare say 99% of the things that can be invented has already been invented. There are no new ideas under the sun. Top gun angel investors with cash to spare -- sure, they're looking to invest in a mind-blowing product. But above all that, they're looking for someone who has the guts, determination, tenacity, grit, and know-how to see the project through 100% to the end.

    Are you that kind of person? 'Cuz the rich don't invest in whiners who come to public forums and accuse others of being selfish for not providing them with a head start in life, 'ya know?
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  • Profile picture of the author abilify182
    While this is a great community of like minded people, we shouldn't feel entitled to be helped
    Whenever we want, just because we want. Sometimes YOU should help yourself, even if it means starting from scratch, because, you don't get people to jv with you, if you're a nobody with nothing to offer, and to have something to offer you gotta work on it and have a reputation.

    On the other hand I think im is such a sleek world we live in. With so many promises newbies can't help but resist or buy those "make 30,000 in one month!" Salescopies, thinking it's true, when it's not realistic at all.

    People should stop thinking there's a magic potio in a bottle. It hardly exists.
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    • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
      Originally Posted by abilify182 View Post


      On the other hand I think im is such a sleek world we live in. With so many promises newbies can't help but resist or buy those "make 30,000 in one month!" Salescopies, thinking it's true, when it's not realistic at all.


      Have a look at the WSO, how many people on this forum are selling this kind of crap ?
      I bought one of those, I lost finally $30. So thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
      Originally Posted by abilify182 View Post

      While this is a great community of like minded people, we shouldn't feel entitled to be helped
      Whenever we want, just because we want. Sometimes YOU should help yourself, even if it means starting from scratch, because, you don't get people to jv with you, if you're a nobody with nothing to offer, and to have something to offer you gotta work on it and have a reputation.

      On the other hand I think im is such a sleek world we live in. With so many promises newbies can't help but resist or buy those "make 30,000 in one month!" Salescopies, thinking it's true, when it's not realistic at all.

      People should stop thinking there's a magic potio in a bottle. It hardly exists.

      "People should stop thinking there's a magic potio in a bottle. It hardly exists"
      People should also stop selling this kind of bullshit. Unfortunatelly even the WSO's section is full of this kind of products.
      All of us need the help of somebody else once in our lives. Nobody ever helped you one day in your life ?

      Like I already said, I just want a serious partner to run a serious business and share the benefits. Is it so hard to understand ?
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  • Profile picture of the author kk075
    If you guys haven't noticed, Fredrick hasn't responded yet so I think he clearly got the message. Insulting others and making demands are not the best tactics when asking for free advice.
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    • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
      Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

      If you guys haven't noticed, Fredrick hasn't responded yet so I think he clearly got the message. Insulting others and making demands are not the best tactics when asking for free advice.
      I didn't respond because I also have a real life.

      Internet is full of people who just want to sell and give marketing advices but when you are looking for people to partner with there is nobody.

      I am looking for a person who want to market my book WITH ME. We will WORK HARD together, it will be DIFFICULT, it will take a lot of efforts but I am sure that we will manage to make a lot of money because the product is great.

      DO YOU GET THIS MESSAGE ??
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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        Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

        I didn't respond because I also have a real life.

        Internet is full of people who just want to sell and give marketing advices but when you are looking for people to partner with there is nobody.

        I am looking for a person who want to market my book WITH ME. We will WORK HARD together, it will be DIFFICULT, it will take a lot of efforts but I am sure that we will manage to make a lot of money because the product is great.

        DO YOU GET THIS MESSAGE ??
        Well I can tell based on your posts I would never want to work with you, next please!
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        • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
          Originally Posted by Jeff Lenney View Post

          Well I can tell based on your posts I would never want to work with you, next please!

          What a pity ... we could make so many great things together
          No but really when you are a newbie and want to learn how to market a product and you get answers like "you should start to promote your product to your family and friends ..." Excuse me but I am not sure that you have to have a PHD in marketing to think about this ...
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        • Profile picture of the author salegurus
          Originally Posted by shmeeko69 View Post

          I must say you do bring so much positivity to this forum, but you do have a point!
          Yeah, im getting that more and more these days... It seems that if you don't tow the party line, think independently, question obvious BS etc. you are being NEGATIVE.. Maybe if i changed my user name to Mr. Neg...
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          • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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            Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

            Yeah, im getting that more and more these days... It seems that if you don't tow the party line, think independently, question obvious BS etc. you are being NEGATIVE.. Maybe if i changed my user name to Mr. Neg...
            Get your own user name. I'm waiting for that one to open up so I may claim it for my own. :-)

            I mean if so many people are going to view honesty and pragmatism as negativity, I might as well go for it. BTW - 'negativity' is when you don't thoroughly agree with someone's belief - hook, line and sinker.

            Cheers. - Frank
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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            Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

            Yeah, im getting that more and more these days... It seems that if you don't tow the party line, think independently, question obvious BS etc. you are being NEGATIVE.. Maybe if i changed my user name to Mr. Neg...
            Oh the warrior forum sucks now. I think I only come back here for nostalgia.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jolly Serath
    This Forum is created in order to help people...that's why so many discussion on this platform...on many issues related to people.....and they are solving those issues through expert advices...
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    I would give a hand to new entrepreneurs by investing in their projects as a business angel
    I'll invest in your hair-brained scheme...I'm always looking for a new Angel.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    What I have found over that past few years is that most people don't value anything that's FREE. Successful entrepreneurs are just as busy as everyone else is. Once you start getting momentum in any business, you won't have time to 'hand hold' and baby sit people who most likely won't be around in the next 3 months.

    Success in this take hard work, determination and lots of patience (among other things).

    99% of the people who come here new take this whole industry for granted just because it's Internet related and work from home.
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    • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
      Originally Posted by Rory Singh View Post

      What I have found over that past few years is that most people don't value anything that's FREE. Successful entrepreneurs are just as busy as everyone else is. Once you start getting momentum in any business, you won't have time to 'hand hold' and baby sit people who most likely won't be around in the next 3 months.

      Success in this take hard work, determination and lots of patience (among other things).

      99% of the people who come here new take this whole industry for granted just because it's Internet related and work from home.

      You are perfectly right but like I said, I am serious person, who want to do a serious business with a serious book which can be sold to pupils and teenagers.

      You said: "Success in this take hard work, determination and lots of patience (among other things)". Sometimes in our lives, we also need a good partner.
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          • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
            Ok, ok cool down people. I didn't want to offense anybody I am just provocative like all french people can be.
            Understand one thing: I just propose a serious partnership with the promise of hard work but great money at the end but it looks like nobody is interested.

            Ok. I will build my business by my own.

            Another thing: what should I think about people on this forum who propose this kind of products on the WSO ?

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            They should be ashamed to propose such stupid stuffs.
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            • Profile picture of the author Cali16
              Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

              I just propose a serious partnership with the promise of hard work but great money at the end but it looks like nobody is interested.
              Besides multiple other reasons (why people aren't interested in your proposal) you simply can't promise "great money"...
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              • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
                Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

                Besides multiple other reasons (why people aren't interested in your proposal) you simply can't promise "great money"...

                Ok I got it.
                But I can promise a hard work !!
                No, I said this because all the publishing compagnies which I contacted were interested in this book but they asked for $5000.

                If those compagnies are interested, it means that the book can work very good. You don't think so ?
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                • Profile picture of the author Cali16
                  Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post


                  If those compagnies are interested, it means that the book can work very good. You don't think so ?
                  No. Because they're asking you for money up front, most likely to cover the cost of printing and distributing a small number of copies of your book. You're taking the risk; not them. I certainly wouldn't base dreams and promises of "great money" on that...

                  If these "publishers" really thought your book was going to do well, they'd be paying you an advance.
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                  • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
                    he, he ....I must admit the title of your thread was strange. But what caught my attention was the number of responses this thread received.

                    You don't often see 600 views get over 60 responses in a day or two.

                    I must admit you know how to fire people up (whether it was by accident or on purpose) . Now if only you (or anyone who sees the irony here) can turn what you just did around and supply something useful, you wouldn't need to try and "Guilt" people into helping, working with or partnering with you ... they'd be encouraged to do it on their own.

                    This is not an attack on you. Just speaking in general to other newbies or oldies who wonder why more successful I.M'ers here don't invest in newbie projects. Your question seemed rhetorical and asked out of curiosity, not self-serving ( I think).
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                    • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
                      Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

                      he, he ....I must admit the title of your thread was strange. But what caught my attention was the number of responses this thread received.

                      You don't often see 600 views get over 60 responses in a day or two.

                      I must admit you know how to fire people up (whether it was by accident or on purpose) . Now if only you (or anyone who sees the irony here) can turn what you just did around and supply something useful, you wouldn't need to try and "Guilt" people into helping, working with or partnering with you ... they'd be encouraged to do it on their own.

                      This is not an attack on you. Just speaking in general to other newbies or oldies who wonder why more successful I.M'ers here don't invest in newbie projects. Your question seemed rhetorical and asked out of curiosity, not self-serving ( I think).

                      Eh eh !! That was exactly the point !! It was made on purpose in order to get a lot of views in a day Come on guy, let's joint the thread it's hot over there !! I am sure we can reach 1k views until midnight

                      No but honestly The Niche man you are perfectly right, if only I could do the same for my product and turn this stupid conversation in something positive, it would be really great.
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                • Profile picture of the author Arissa Lockhart
                  Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

                  Of course you are talking Bulls***t.
                  Tell me WHERE I wrote that I am asking for people to JV with you so you get to build a huge list overnight, sell a thousand copies of your book/report/whatever, and yet you have nothing to give in return?" in my first post ???

                  Hum ?
                  You demanded that people invest in newbies' products since that will give them a huge leg-up in life... otherwise, we're all just "selfish", innit?

                  A huge leg-up could mean anything: bigger lists, more sales for you, more brand recognition, and you? You just get to be a leech who leeches off other people's initial hard work.

                  Who cares if you're going to work hard once you find the right partner? What have you done so far? Are you able to offer your partner a huge list in return? More credibility? A guaranteed amount of $XXXX? Nope, you have nothing concrete to give in return except the promise of untold riches. That's all just smoke and mirrors.

                  You think your product's awesome, eh? Rich investors can always hire someone for $50,000 to ghostwrite an entirely new + even more sophisticated book than yours (or create whatever you're selling.)

                  Oh, so you're giving a generous 65% (and now 75%) of commissions to your partner? People can just create their own products and take it all for themselves. What have you got to offer someone that he or she would have no choice but to partner with you? Yep, nothing. 'Cuz you're no one to nobody.

                  Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

                  Understand one thing: I just propose a serious partnership with the promise of hard work but great money at the end but it looks like nobody is interested.

                  Ok. I will build my business by my own.

                  Another thing: what should I think about people on this forum who propose this kind of products on the WSO ?

                  "[WSO OF THE DAY] Get 379,648 Visitors a Month from Free Youtube Traffic!

                  WE MAKE YOUR PRODUCT SEEN BY MILLIONS ON WARRIORFORUM, KINGGED, CNN, MASHABLE, & 1,000+ OTHER SITES

                  [WARRIOR PROOF] 6547 Unique Visitors in 48 Hrs After Using This! (260+ Sold) Live Results!

                  [ App Flipping Business Course <]- Sell Apps Built In 15 Minutes Easily- Anyone Can Do It - MUST SEE "

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                  They should be ashamed to propose such stupid stuffs.
                  You can't promise people will get "great money" at the end of your partnership. Don't be daft. You don't even have a tack record that your product sells... so what are you basing your promise on? Hopes, dreams, and wishes? Get real. Go ahead and promise smoke and mirrors, though. You may find yourself getting dragged to court one day.

                  And regarding those WSOs you posted? Well, ask the sellers for proof if they've really had like "6547 Unique Visitors in 48 Hrs" then. If they do, then you should shut up. If they don't, go sue them or whine to the mods.

                  Nobody is asking you to believe everything you read on the Internet, you know. And nobody's asking you to buy anything. A fool and his money are soon parted anyway.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
                    Originally Posted by Arissa Lockhart View Post

                    You demanded that people invest in newbies' products since that will give them a huge leg-up in life... otherwise, we're all just "selfish", innit?

                    A huge leg-up could mean anything: bigger lists, more sales for you, more brand recognition, and you? You just get to be a leech who leeches off other people's initial hard work.

                    Who cares if you're going to work hard once you find the right partner? What have you done so far? Are you able to offer your partner a huge list in return? More credibility? A guaranteed amount of ? Nope, you have nothing concrete to give in return except the promise of untold riches. That's all just smoke and mirrors.

                    You think your product's awesome, eh? Rich investors can always hire someone for $50,000 to ghostwrite an entirely new + even more sophisticated book than yours (or create whatever you're selling.)

                    Oh, so you're giving a generous 65% (and now 75%) of commissions to your partner? People can just create their own products and take it all for themselves. What have you got to offer someone that he or she would have no choice but to partner with you? Yep, nothing. 'Cuz you're no one to nobody.



                    You can't promise people will get "great money" at the end of your partnership. Don't be daft. You don't even have a tack record that your product sells... so what are you basing your promise on? Hopes, dreams, and wishes? Get real. Go ahead and promise smoke and mirrors, though. You may find yourself getting dragged to court one day.

                    And regarding those WSOs you posted? Well, ask the sellers for proof if they've really had like "6547 Unique Visitors in 48 Hrs" then. If they do, then you should shut up. If they don't, go sue them or whine to the mods.

                    Nobody is asking you to believe everything you read on the Internet, you know. And nobody's asking you to buy anything. A fool and his money are soon parted anyway.
                    That's true
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                  • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
                    Originally Posted by Arissa Lockhart View Post

                    You demanded that people invest in newbies' products since that will give them a huge leg-up in life... otherwise, we're all just "selfish", innit?

                    A huge leg-up could mean anything: bigger lists, more sales for you, more brand recognition, and you? You just get to be a leech who leeches off other people's initial hard work.

                    Who cares if you're going to work hard once you find the right partner? What have you done so far? Are you able to offer your partner a huge list in return? More credibility? A guaranteed amount of ? Nope, you have nothing concrete to give in return except the promise of untold riches. That's all just smoke and mirrors.

                    You think your product's awesome, eh? Rich investors can always hire someone for $50,000 to ghostwrite an entirely new + even more sophisticated book than yours (or create whatever you're selling.)

                    Oh, so you're giving a generous 65% (and now 75%) of commissions to your partner? People can just create their own products and take it all for themselves. What have you got to offer someone that he or she would have no choice but to partner with you? Yep, nothing. 'Cuz you're no one to nobody.



                    You can't promise people will get "great money" at the end of your partnership. Don't be daft. You don't even have a tack record that your product sells... so what are you basing your promise on? Hopes, dreams, and wishes? Get real. Go ahead and promise smoke and mirrors, though. You may find yourself getting dragged to court one day.

                    And regarding those WSOs you posted? Well, ask the sellers for proof if they've really had like "6547 Unique Visitors in 48 Hrs" then. If they do, then you should shut up. If they don't, go sue them or whine to the mods.

                    Nobody is asking you to believe everything you read on the Internet, you know. And nobody's asking you to buy anything. A fool and his money are soon parted anyway.

                    OK, ok you are right. But it's not worse than ads like "trade the forex and get $5000 per week" ... I will get real: I can promise instead hard marketing work and 75% of benefits on hazardous results I don't know if this kind of ad will attract a lot of candidates for a JV but I can give it a try
                    Anyway, you never know what will be the result when you start a business.

                    The problem nowoday is that nobody wants to take any risk. Even well established small compagnies in France have some trouble to get a loan from the banks. It's terrible
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                    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                      Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

                      The problem nowoday is that nobody wants to take any risk.
                      Pot - meet kettle.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Your problem, besides your attitude, is this:

    1. You don't have a book that solves a pressing need or helps someone reach a big goal. It may be "interesting" but I've found that many interesting books wind up on the discount rack at book stores. Nobody wants or needs them enough to part with their cash.

    2. I'm not sure how your affiliate deal will work since you're selling it through Amazon. You didn't make that clear in your original post about getting help with the project. If I'm confused or not sure how it may work, you can bet that many others are too. Confusion, especially about payouts, always causes trouble.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    The publishing company was interested in your $5,000. They win no matter how many sell.

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  • Profile picture of the author aspire7
    There are many of us that are here to help.


    I for one deal solely in helping others. Even my start-up is about helping other start-ups for nothing in return.
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    • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
      Originally Posted by aspire7 View Post

      There are many of us that are here to help.


      I for one deal solely in helping others. Even my start-up is about helping other start-ups for nothing in return.
      That's really nice from you.
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  • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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    A new synonym for provocative seems to be "dick" - somebody call Websters

    As I look through this thread and recognize many of the posters, I don't see any "Selfish" members - just hard working folks who have helped many others over the years.

    Myself included - I've received help and helped countless members over the past decade or so. However, those I've helped were members who routinely participated in and gave back to the forum community...not newbies who just signed up and then started stomping their feet when no one would listen to them.

    Here's a double-secret tip for anyone new to the forum who needs help:

    Participate in discussions, share what you can, be respectful of others and above all be patient. Focus on learning and becoming a part of the community.

    This forum is directly responsible for tens of thousands of success stories, partnerships and just plain old-fashioned friendships. But those things didn't happen overnight - they can take years to develop.

    Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

    I am just wondering why there is not more this kind of people here.
    There are lots of folks doing that here - apparently, they're just not helping you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Arun Chandran
    Big Frank... for the most part, struggle is necessary. Navy seals struggle. Olympians struggle. IM newbies struggle to grasp the concepts and make them work.

    It's not a platitude. It's a fact. If everyone thinks that they're in the wrong discipline just because they struggle a bit... well... nobody would ever achieve anything worthwhile.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by Arun Chandran View Post

      Big Frank... for the most part, struggle is necessary. Navy seals struggle. Olympians struggle. IM newbies struggle to grasp the concepts and make them work.

      It's not a platitude. It's a fact. If everyone thinks that they're in the wrong discipline just because they struggle a bit... well... nobody would ever achieve anything worthwhile.
      Ridiculous from where I sit - but you are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

      Putting Navy Seals and IM'ers in the same sentence borders on blasphemy. So, you're comparing an obstacle course with learning to install an opt-in form? OK. As a totally-disabled, combat veteran, I find that just a wee-bit insulting. I'll get over it though. Trying to rationalize the concept would be too much of a struggle for me to even begin to entertain. :-)

      Just because someone decides to struggle, no where is it written that it is an essential ingredient to achieving success. That's just a choice that people make of their own free will. If it works for them - great. Life is short. Struggle if you want to. Your choice, but not necessary, at all.

      Cheers. - Frank

      P.S. I spent many years struggling to learn the back end of running websites. Struggling brought me absolutely no success. I can't even spell see-panel. :-) I have zero abilities in that area so no matter how much I struggled, I would have failed. Miserably! I never struggle to pick up a phone and attempt to make sales. It's what I was born to do. No struggle and massive success. Struggling is something I would never choose to do, again and the older I get, the more I feel that way. To each his own.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by Arun Chandran View Post

      If everyone thinks that they're in the wrong discipline just because they struggle a bit... well... nobody would ever achieve anything worthwhile.

      Well said Arun. I agree 100%.

      Everything great that is worth accomplishing will involve some degree of "struggle." The best stories of success (or even stories in general) are when ordinary people overcome extraordinary "struggles." I've had my fair share of struggles in Life and I wouldn't change it for The World. : )
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        I've had my fair share of struggles in Life and I wouldn't change it for The World. : )
        I've had more than my fair share of struggles in life. That's precisely why I refuse to have them in the way I choose to make my money. My two favorite words in the English language? 'Easy money.' :-)

        I'll leave the struggling to you guys. You seem to really enjoy it. You must be fairly young. I can assure you that as you get older, you will quickly loose your taste for struggling. lol

        Cheers. - Frank
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
          Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

          I've had more than my fair share of struggles in life. That's precisely why I refuse to have them in the way I choose to make my money. My two favorite words in the English language? 'Easy money.' :-)

          It depends on your definition of "easy money" however I would rather put in a certain amount of time, effort, and energy into earning my income.

          I'll leave the struggling to you guys. You seem to really enjoy it.
          It's not the struggling that I enjoy, it's the benefits because of it. : ) ("A ship is safe in harbor, but that's not what ships are built for.")

          You must be fairly young. I can assure you that the older you get, you will quickly loose your taste for struggling. lol
          Maybe you're right. You're older and wiser than I am. : ) For the time being though, I stand by everything I've said.
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          • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            It depends on your definition of "easy money" however I would rather put in a certain amount of time, effort, and energy into earning my income.
            I put all of those into my money making efforts, including training, intelligence, common-sense, a highly-developed work ethic, creativity, risk and a desire for success and the satisfaction that it brings. I just refuse to put 'struggle' on my list.

            Please - I have worked 12 hours a day for, 7 days a week for the past 18 months, so that I can retire in the very near future, debt free. I work because I love to - not because I have to.
            It's not the struggling that I enjoy, it's the benefits because of it. : ) ("A ship is safe in harbor, but that's not what ships are built for.")
            I have no idea what it means to be 'safe.' I have been a risk taker my entire life. None of my friends can understand how I'm still alive.
            Maybe you're right. You're older and wiser than I am. : )
            Let's just go with older. You'll never hear me claim to be wise. Not that I haven't garnered a reasonable amount of wisdom while trekking through life, but I'm far from wise.
            For the time being though, I stand by everything I've said.
            And I would never dispute your personal beliefs. I just see nothing gained by sharing them. We all choose our own path in life. I have always been one to take 'the road less traveled.' :-)

            Cheers. - Frank
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              Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

              We all choose our own path in life. I have always been one to take 'the road less traveled.' :-)
              Yeah, same. : ) (Great book with the same title, by the way.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
    At least we got a lot of fun and heated discussion because of this thread
    I just love it !!

    Don't you think so ??

    Ok, the recreation is over. Have a nice day everybody.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slade556
    I don't think anyone here is selfish, everyone who contributes to this forum, even a little bit, is doing it to help! If anyone here were selfish, they wouldn't even bother replying to the many "stupid threads", as many call them.

    And as I see it, if someone were to give you the secret of success and the exact recipe on how to make millions of $$, they wouldn't be helping you. They would be, first of all, killing their own business for which they had worked hard and struggled on their own, and second, they wouldn't help you fight for your own success at all, so at the first bump in the road, you wouldn't know what to do, am I right?
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    • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
      Originally Posted by Slade556 View Post

      I don't think anyone here is selfish, everyone who contributes to this forum, even a little bit, is doing it to help! If anyone here were selfish, they wouldn't even bother replying to the many "stupid threads", as many call them.

      And as I see it, if someone were to give you the secret of success and the exact recipe on how to make millions of $$, they wouldn't be helping you. They would be, first of all, killing their own business for which they had worked hard and struggled on their own, and second, they wouldn't help you fight for your own success at all, so at the first bump in the road, you wouldn't know what to do, am I right?
      You are perfectly right.
      Of course, you are giving your time to help others and it is very nice from you but I was not talking about advices.
      Consider this: I will promote my product. I would just say that if it works, I will come back in the JV's section and offer to invest $$$ in projects in order to allow other members to start their projects. If some members are making a really big amount of $$$$ I think they can easily give a hand to others and propose to invest let's say $20000 (and ask to share the benefits of course). It won't kill their business. Some members propose it but they are very very few. Don't you think so?
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

        I think they can easily give a hand to others and propose to invest let's say $20000 (and ask to share the benefits of course).
        You have a better chance of finding a large pile of unicorn poo.

        Cheers. - Frank
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        • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
          Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

          You have a better chance of finding a large pile of unicorn poo.

          Cheers. - Frank
          That's exactly the problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
    Here is what you don't seem to understand, Briedis.

    The reason you can't get interest, as others have said to you repeatedly, is that you offer nothing in exchange for the risk you represent to an investor or partner. It has no value. Period. 75% of nothing is nothing. And until you can show a successfully converting sales page, you've got nothing.

    The battleground is littered with "interesting" ebooks, as well as countless other business ideas, plans, models and flameouts.

    All the potential in the world is still nothing. Nothing, until someone takes that potential and turns it into sales.

    There are many people who give 100% (or even more than that) commission to their affiliates. Do you know why? Because they understand that to build something from nothing, you need a market to sell that something to. And in lieu of a commission, they are willing to accept that a percentage of the people who read that book may be willing to opt-in to their list. And that gives them an audience that they can market other things to.

    Sounds like a lot of work for a small potential payoff, doesn't it?

    As unglamorous as it sounds, that is a real business model. This only works if you can truly deliver the goods, by the way. Don't even bother if you are selling mediocrity.

    If you want to get off the ground, you have two solid options:

    1) You say you are willing to work hard. Do the work up front. Stay out of the WSO section - that is a viper pit. Read, read, read. Do an insane amount of free research. Read enough, and you'll start to understand who knows what they are talking about and who is blowing smoke up your ass.

    2) Pay a mentor to ease the way for you. Not my personal choice, but they are all around. Interview a bunch of them, and find one you feel is a good fit. Then pay them their fee to impart whatever wisdom they have to offer. Keep in mind that everybody's journey is different, and what worked for them might not be of real value to you. That is a risk you take. But it certainly will move you forward, at least to a point where you can feel some confidence about making your own choices.

    As Niche Man so wisely pointed out, you showed some talent in provoking a response to this thread. You may have a talent for writing attention-grabbing headlines (or, this may have been a fluke). Harness that, but for more positive purposes, and you may be on to something.
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    • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
      Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

      Here is what you don't seem to understand, Briedis.

      The reason you can't get interest, as others have said to you repeatedly, is that you offer nothing in exchange for the risk you represent to an investor or partner. It has no value. Period. 75% of nothing is nothing. And until you can show a successfully converting sales page, you've got nothing.

      The battleground is littered with "interesting" ebooks, as well as countless other business ideas, plans, models and flameouts.

      All the potential in the world is still nothing. Nothing, until someone takes that potential and turns it into sales.

      There are many people who give 100% (or even more than that) commission to their affiliates. Do you know why? Because they understand that to build something from nothing, you need a market to sell that something to. And in lieu of a commission, they are willing to accept that a percentage of the people who read that book may be willing to opt-in to their list. And that gives them an audience that they can market other things to.

      Sounds like a lot of work for a small potential payoff, doesn't it?

      As unglamorous as it sounds, that is a real business model. This only works if you can truly deliver the goods, by the way. Don't even bother if you are selling mediocrity.

      If you want to get off the ground, you have two solid options:

      1) You say you are willing to work hard. Do the work up front. Stay out of the WSO section - that is a viper pit. Read, read, read. Do an insane amount of free research. Read enough, and you'll start to understand who knows what they are talking about and who is blowing smoke up your ass.

      2) Pay a mentor to ease the way for you. Not my personal choice, but they are all around. Interview a bunch of them, and find one you feel is a good fit. Then pay them their fee to impart whatever wisdom they have to offer. Keep in mind that everybody's journey is different, and what worked for them might not be of real value to you. That is a risk you take. But it certainly will move you forward, at least to a point where you can feel some confidence about making your own choices.

      As Niche Man so wisely pointed out, you showed some talent in provoking a response to this thread. You may have a talent for writing attention-grabbing headlines (or, this may have been a fluke). Harness that, but for more positive purposes, and you may be on to something.

      Thank you so much for those great advices espacially for this:

      "There are many people who give 100% (or even more than that) commission to their affiliates. Do you know why? Because they understand that to build something from nothing, you need a market to sell that something to. And in lieu of a commission, they are willing to accept that a percentage of the people who read that book may be willing to opt-in to their list. And that gives them an audience that they can market other things to."

      I will reconsider my JV offer but I hope that 100% will be enough this time because I really don't know what I could offer more.

      But does it mean that I have to build an other product related to the book I want to sell and market it first ?


      You know, I've tried to write funny descriptions and articles on blogs, google+ FB and so on. I also launched a fundraising's campaign with a nice pitch https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/did-you-know-that in order to get some funds to invest in the publishing process but nothing worked.
      Kind regards,

      Frederic.

      By the way, if you need a provocator to fire up people, I am your man I think it is in french people's blood
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
        Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post


        I will reconsider my JV offer but I hope that 100% will be enough this time because I really don't know what I could offer more.
        I honestly don't see how even 100% is going to be enough. Like I said in my earlier post, your book is not compelling enough to take any sort of risk.

        Also you have the problem of paying commissions. After Amazon pays you, you expect your new partner to just trust you to send them their money?

        Many of the big guys want more than commission - they already have plenty of opportunities to get commission all day long.

        Mark
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        • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
          Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

          Here is what you don't seem to understand, Briedis.

          The reason you can't get interest, as others have said to you repeatedly, is that you offer nothing in exchange for the risk you represent to an investor or partner. It has no value. Period. 75% of nothing is nothing. And until you can show a successfully converting sales page, you've got nothing.

          The battleground is littered with "interesting" ebooks, as well as countless other business ideas, plans, models and flameouts.

          All the potential in the world is still nothing. Nothing, until someone takes that potential and turns it into sales.

          There are many people who give 100% (or even more than that) commission to their affiliates. Do you know why? Because they understand that to build something from nothing, you need a market to sell that something to. And in lieu of a commission, they are willing to accept that a percentage of the people who read that book may be willing to opt-in to their list. And that gives them an audience that they can market other things to.

          Sounds like a lot of work for a small potential payoff, doesn't it?

          As unglamorous as it sounds, that is a real business model. This only works if you can truly deliver the goods, by the way. Don't even bother if you are selling mediocrity.

          If you want to get off the ground, you have two solid options:

          1) You say you are willing to work hard. Do the work up front. Stay out of the WSO section - that is a viper pit. Read, read, read. Do an insane amount of free research. Read enough, and you'll start to understand who knows what they are talking about and who is blowing smoke up your ass.

          2) Pay a mentor to ease the way for you. Not my personal choice, but they are all around. Interview a bunch of them, and find one you feel is a good fit. Then pay them their fee to impart whatever wisdom they have to offer. Keep in mind that everybody's journey is different, and what worked for them might not be of real value to you. That is a risk you take. But it certainly will move you forward, at least to a point where you can feel some confidence about making your own choices.

          As Niche Man so wisely pointed out, you showed some talent in provoking a response to this thread. You may have a talent for writing attention-grabbing headlines (or, this may have been a fluke). Harness that, but for more positive purposes, and you may be on to something.
          Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

          I honestly don't see how even 100% is going to be enough. Like I said in my earlier post, your book is not compelling enough to take any sort of risk.

          Also you have the problem of paying commissions. After Amazon pays you, you expect your new partner to just trust you to send them their money?

          Many of the big guys want more than commission - they already have plenty of opportunities to get commission all day long.

          Mark
          According to you, what should I give more ? Is it ok for me because I perfectly understand that the hardest part of this project is to market the book.I just don't know what. That's all.

          "Also you have the problem of paying commissions. After Amazon pays you, you expect your new partner to just trust you to send them their money?"

          Well I was thinking to go trough an affiliate's plateform with an automated payement. Otherwise Amazon will take 30% of the incomes. But normaly, when you are signing up a JV with someone, the main thing is the trust in each other. Otherwise there is no reason to start the project.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
          Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

          But does it mean that I have to build an other product related to the book I want to sell and market it first?
          Generally speaking, a book is not a business.

          If you don't have a back end built out with other offers to present to your audience, you should probably go back to the drawing board and reconsider your entire strategy.

          This is the part where you need to go and do a ton of research, to understand how businesses work, and why most of them fail.

          Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

          Many of the big guys want more than commission - they already have plenty of opportunities to get commission all day long.
          And this. Right now, you are rushing full steam ahead into oblivion.

          Where I said "There are many people who give 100% (or even more than that)" this is what I meant. There is no shortage of content out there. What is it you bring to the table? Earth-shattering insights? A stellar reputation? A track record of huge sales?

          No?

          Then you had better figure out what you have to offer potential partners, because right now, they have zero incentive to spend even a moment thinking about you.

          What can you do for them, without expecting anything in return? How are you going to get on their radar? Why would they want to work with you?

          These are problems you have to solve. Not them, and not us.
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          • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
            Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

            According to you, what should I give more ? Is it ok for me because I perfectly understand that the hardest part of this project is to market the book.I just don't know what. That's all.

            "Also you have the problem of paying commissions. After Amazon pays you, you expect your new partner to just trust you to send them their money?"

            Well I was thinking to go trough an affiliate's plateform with an automated payement. Otherwise Amazon will take 30% of the incomes. But normaly, when you are signing up a JV with someone, the main thing is the trust in each other. Otherwise there is no reason to start the project.
            Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

            Generally speaking, a book is not a business.

            If you don't have a back end built out with other offers to present to your audience, you should probably go back to the drawing board and reconsider your entire strategy.

            This is the part where you need to go and do a ton of research, to understand how businesses work, and why most of them fail.



            And this. Right now, you are rushing full steam ahead into oblivion.

            Where I said "There are many people who give 100% (or even more than that)" this is what I meant. There is no shortage of content out there. What is it you bring to the table? Earth-shattering insights? A stellar reputation? A track record of huge sales?

            No?

            Then you had better figure out what you have to offer potential partners, because right now, they have zero incentive to spend even a moment thinking about you.

            What can you do for them, without expecting anything in return? How are you going to get on their radar? Why would they want to work with you?

            These are problems you have to solve. Not them, and not us.

            I understand. You know, when I wrote this book, I thought that I would just have to send the book to publisher, they would say "yes I find it good and I will publish it" or "no, it's crap it will not work and we won't publish you". If they say yes, "they should normaly take the risk to promote it". Now I am in the following position: they say yes we want to publish you BUT you will also have to cover the risk ($5000)... ???!!! That's what I said before, nobody want to take any risk nowoday but everybody want the benefits. People have forgoten that both are indissociable. You don't deserve any benefit if you are not taking any risk.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
              Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

              You don't deserve any benefit if you are not taking any risk.
              Think about that.
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              • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
                Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

                Think about that.
                This also applies to some people here who want to invest in businesses only when they become profitable
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                • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
                  Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

                  This also applies to some people here who want to invest in businesses only when they become profitable
                  Not really. People who are successful in business likely have figured out their tolerance for risk and are abiding by it.

                  This sense of entitlement is going to keep getting you in trouble.

                  Nobody owes you anything. You earn help from someone by doing a lot of hard work and showing great promise (have you ever seen Shark Tank? If not, go watch a few episodes before doing anything else). Or by paying cold hard cash to people who sell their time.
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

              Now I am in the following position: they say yes we want to publish you BUT you will also have to cover the risk ($5000)... ???!!!
              That's "your book is crap but we will still publish it if you pay us enough."

              They'll invest in your success if you put some skin in the game. Just like anyone else. I'd never invest in a venture where the owners and founders haven't put up significant money of their own.
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              • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
                Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                That's "your book is crap but we will still publish it if you pay us enough."

                They'll invest in your success if you put some skin in the game. Just like anyone else. I'd never invest in a venture where the owners and founders haven't put up significant money of their own.
                That's true
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    Briedis2,

    the more you have to lose, the more you will understand why people don't seem to be taking the risks you want them to take. You basically have nothing to lose, so you really don't understand effective risk taking from a business perspective.

    In most cases, they acquired their money, leverage, reputation..... by taking SMART risks...not by just taking risks.

    at this point, you are not a SMART risk for most people who have the ability to help you. That's why they are saying you should keep taking all the risks right now and invest your own time, energy, money, and effort for now.

    At some point, if you are able to improve your situation to the point where you are a smart risk, people will notice that and work with you in various ways.
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    • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

      Briedis2,

      the more you have to lose, the more you will understand why people don't seem to be taking the risks you want them to take. You basically have nothing to lose, so you really don't understand effective risk taking from a business perspective.

      In most cases, they acquired their money, leverage, reputation..... by taking SMART risks...not by just taking risks.

      at this point, you are not a SMART risk for most people who have the ability to help you. That's why they are saying you should keep taking all the risks right now and invest your own time, energy, money, and effort for now.

      At some point, if you are able to improve your situation to the point where you are a smart risk, people will notice that and work with you in various ways.
      ;
      I agree with this.
      I have time, energy, have great coding, webdesiging and writing skills I am willing to learn and provide great efforts but have no money and need some guidance in marketing. That the reason why I tried to establish a partnership. We can't have all the skills needed for a business project.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Keith
        Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

        ;
        I agree with this.
        I have time, energy, have great coding, webdesiging and writing skills I am willing to learn and provide great efforts but have no money and need some guidance in marketing. That the reason why I tried to establish a partnership. We can't have all the skills needed for a business project.
        if that's the case, then i would suggest trying to trade some of your skills, effort and time for some money.

        you are trying to hit a homerun...retire next month kind of thing and you just haven't built up to that yet.

        despite what all the sales letters say, most overnight millionaires spend a long time working up to that over night success. most of them put in long hours and failed many times before they become the overnight success you see today.

        use what you got to get what you need...so use your time,effort, and skills to get a little money.

        that will be a far better use of your time than just complaining that others are not giving you the things you need.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marked09
    @TS, you still don't get it don't you? People promote your stuffs not just because of the commission or potential to earn some money. Especially the ones who's already successful,

    As I've said on my first post, successful mentors/coach make more money running their business than receiving a payment from a coaching student.

    Even if you give 100% of your income to the coach to help you, I highly doubt that they will be willing to spend time to people who are "douche".

    There are thousands of reason why people will help promote for your book and it depends on every person. I suggest that you take some effort in introducing yourself to them, build a real relationship , so you can pay it forward.

    By doing this, you'll learn what's important to that person and eventually to stand out from the crowd. You got to take note that there are hundreds of people competing for the attentions of big guys out there. (different levels)

    Discover what they want and give them reason why they will give their time with you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
    1007 views in less than 24h. Not so bad but still thought it would be better. I won my bet. Thanks anyway to David Keith and Jack Gordon for great advices.
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    • Profile picture of the author Arissa Lockhart
      Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

      1007 views in less than 24h. Not so bad but still thought it would be better. I won my bet. Thanks anyway to David Keith and Jack Gordon for great advices.
      Briedis2, since the last time I posted here, I've spent the next few hours writing 3 blog posts for my websites. And these aren't your typical spam articles -- they're each about a thousand point five words long. Not that word count has any indication of value, but it gives you an idea of what you can achieve in just a short period of time.

      What have you done in that time to better your future business?

      Go, go, go! Go do something with your time instead of hanging around trying to garner more views to a forum thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
        Originally Posted by Arissa Lockhart View Post

        Briedis2, since the last time I posted here, I've spent the next few hours writing 3 blog posts for my websites. And these aren't your typical spam articles -- they're each about a thousand point five words long. Not that word count has any indication of value, but it gives you an idea of what you can achieve in just a short period of time.

        What have you done in that time to better your future business?

        Go, go, go! Go do something with your time instead of hanging around trying to garner more views to a forum thread.
        Dear Arissa,
        You are perfectly right. The point is when I am writing something normal, I get no attention. It is just when I am firing people up that I can get such results. Sad but true.
        Maybe I should build a website where I will just provocate my customers Then I will achieve great things very fast !!


        Regards
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        • Profile picture of the author Cali16
          Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

          Dear Arissa,
          You are perfectly right. The point is when I am writing something normal, I get no attention. It is just when I am firing people up that I can get such results.
          There's a difference between "firing people up", which usually means to get people excited, enthusiastic, and motivated, and what you've done in this thread - which is annoying people... Really not the same thing.

          As for "getting such results", um, just what "results" would that be? Getting over 1000 thread views to win a silly bet?

          Clearly you have too much time on your hands... and yet another good reason why no one is taking you up on your proposed offer.
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          • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
            Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post


            As for "getting such results", um, just what "results" would that be? Getting over 1000 thread views to win a silly bet?
            Well, I had exactly the same discussion with a friend. I said to him that if I am writing a normal article on a blog, people will just pass over and I will get let's say maximum 50 views and the article will die but if I start to provocate people and make them angry against me, I can have amazing results anywhere (forums, blogs ...) very very fast.
            Of course he didn't trust me so I had to show him.

            I am really sorry that it falled on Warrior forum and sorry for the members who felt offended. It was clearly a test. But the results shows that I was right.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
              Showed him you did. You were right. Yay!!

              And now you have less than a snowball's chance of getting anyone in their right mind to help you due to your little test.

              Good luck with your book. You are going to need all the luck you can get since you have effectively burned all your bridges here.

              Mark

              Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

              Of course he didn't trust me so I had to show him.

              I am really sorry that it falled on Warrior forum and sorry for the members who felt offended. It was clearly a test. But the results shows that I was right.
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              • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
                Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

                Showed him you did. You were right. Yay!!

                And now you have less than a snowball's chance of getting anyone in their right mind to help you due to your little test.

                Good luck with your book. You are going to need all the luck you can get since you have effectively burned all your bridges here.

                Mark
                Oh Mark, don't be so negative for God sake !!
                In fact I am pretty sure that you can't wait to help a such handsome man like me

                Don't worry for me. I will already find a way to get my $5000 to publish it. It won't take long I promise. I have some ideas
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                • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                  Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

                  Don't worry for me. I will already find a way to get my $5000 to publish it. It won't take long I promise. I have some ideas
                  Please be sure to report back on how you made out. There are thousands, here - most looking for the 'secret to success.' We'll all want to know what that is, once you uncover it.

                  Cheers. - Frank
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                  • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
                    Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                    Please be sure to report back on how you made out. There are thousands, here - most looking for the 'secret to success.' We'll all want to know what that is, once you uncover it.

                    Cheers. - Frank
                    No problem, I can tell you right now: it will be a simple and small offline business in order to provide second hand but good cars from France to Russia, Ukrain and Moldavia. I have contacts there. I will do it during this summer with a friend of mine who will bring the money on the table and come with me. This is how I will get the money.

                    Of course it would be easier and faster if I could make a JV here but it will be also cool
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    • Profile picture of the author Jennifer Hutson
      Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

      1007 views in less than 24h. Not so bad but still thought it would be better. I won my bet. Thanks anyway to David Keith and Jack Gordon for great advices.
      1007 people who will never partner with you due to your condescending attitude and insults on other members. Congratulations.

      Even if someone was interested in a JV, your book is apparently a book of "funny anecdotes and funny facts." I'm not sure why someone on Warrior Forum would want to promote this to their list. This is a marketing forum - really not the platform to be promoting a book of anecdotes.
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      • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
        Originally Posted by Jennifer Hutson View Post

        1007 people who will never partner with you due to your condescending attitude and insults on other members. Congratulations.

        Even if someone was interested in a JV, your book is apparently a book of "funny anecdotes and funny facts." I'm not sure why someone on Warrior Forum would want to promote this to their list. This is a marketing forum - really not the platform to be promoting a book of anecdotes.
        Nice to meet you Jennifer hope you are doing fine.
        Well I am a parisian actualy living in Strasbourg. Most of people from Paris used to be like me actually. That what makes this city so charming. Don't be surprised if once you will travel there. We are rude but we don't bite
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  • Profile picture of the author stavroscanlon128
    Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

    I am just wondering why there is not more this kind of people here.
    95% of people are making zero money, and another 2-3% are just squeaking by...The remaining 1-2% are making a small fortune but have to constantly try to reinvent themselves, not to mention looking over there shoulder at all the competition nipping at their heels.

    The reality is that if someone finds something that works, they try to guard what they have much less go out of their way to help a potential competitor.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

    I am just wondering why there is not more this kind of people here.

    And if I was Google I would work with Microsoft to help them excel and teach Facebook a few tricks of the trade.


    Oh wait. No, I wouldn't.
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

    Hi,

    By reading this forum (especially the JV's section), it seems that some of you are runing very profitable online businesses. Personnally, if I were in their position, I would give a hand to new entrepreneurs by investing in their projects as a business angel for small (or bigger) projects and help them to drive on the fastlane to success.
    It is in the interest of everybody.
    I am just wondering why there is not more this kind of people here.

    Kind regards
    Frederic Cottart
    Why the hell would people with money want to give it to anonymous people on a forum?

    Not only does that sound like a terrible investment strategy, but it also sounds like a great way to attract even more scammers to this forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
      Originally Posted by Curtis2011 View Post

      Why the hell would people with money want to give it to anonymous people on a forum?

      Not only does that sound like a terrible investment strategy, but it also sounds like a great way to attract even more scammers to this forum.
      Well according to me it is a good way to attract people with new ideas, project or product but no money and choose carrefully which one is worth to invest in.
      Is it so difficult to understand ?

      Well if you are making let's say $1M, why the hell can't people even not invest $20000 in new projects and be a business angel ??

      It just represent 5% of your incomes. There is almost no risk. Some of you offer to invest $$$ in projects. I was just wondering why there are not more people like them.

      Got the idea ?
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      • Profile picture of the author Cali16
        Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

        Well if you are making let's say $1M, why the hell can't people even not invest $20000 in new projects and be a business angel ??

        It just represent 5% of your incomes. There is almost no risk. Some of you offer to invest $$$ in projects. I was just wondering why there are not more people like them.
        You keep jumping to the conclusion that "these people" - these "business angels" - don't exist (at least on this forum). But your "logic" is totally flawed.

        Just because no one is interested in investing in YOUR project (for so many obvious reasons - reasons you continue to ignore), that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of members here who would happily invest in a worthwhile project with someone else.

        Smart investors and "business angels" don't just toss 5% (or whatever amount) of their income at opportunities with people they know nothing about (or who show obvious indicators that they'd be a high risk or terrible to work with). They don't invest money in opportunities or projects without a good reason.

        YOU HAVE CONTINUALLY FAILED TO PROVIDE ONE GOOD REASON FOR ANYONE TO PARTNER WITH YOU AND INVEST IN YOUR PROJECT.

        I don't know if you just don't get this because you're not very bright or because you're incredibly obstinate (or both). But those are two traits that definitely won't attract business partners.

        Selfishness or a lack of generosity is NOT the reason no one is biting.

        If there's one good thing that may have come from this thread, it's that it should show [clueless] people how not to go about finding someone to invest in their business. (Anyone with a lick of sense would already know that...)
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        • Profile picture of the author Jennifer Hutson
          Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

          You keep jumping to the conclusion that "these people" - these "business angels" - don't exist (at least on this forum). But your "logic" is totally flawed.

          Just because no one is interested in investing in YOUR project (for so many obvious reasons - reasons you continue to ignore), that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of members here who would happily invest in a worthwhile project with someone else.

          Smart investors and "business angels" don't just toss 5% (or whatever amount) of their income at opportunities with people they know nothing about (or who show obvious indicators that they'd be a high risk or terrible to work with). They don't invest money in opportunities or projects without a good reason.

          YOU HAVE CONTINUALLY FAILED TO PROVIDE ONE GOOD REASON FOR ANYONE TO PARTNER WITH YOU AND INVEST IN YOUR PROJECT.

          I don't know if you just don't get this because you're not very bright or because you're incredibly obstinate (or both). But those are two traits that definitely won't attract business partners.

          Selfishness or a lack of generosity is NOT the reason no one is biting.

          If there's one good thing that may have come from this thread, it's that it should show [clueless] people how not to go about finding someone to invest in their business. (Anyone with a lick of sense would already know that...)
          Don't even bother trying to explain it, Cali. He's not going to get it. The fact that he's already tarnished his reputation on the forum and thinks that's a good thing should be a huge indicator.
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          • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
            Originally Posted by Jennifer Hutson View Post

            Don't even bother trying to explain it, Cali. He's not going to get it. The fact that he's already tarnished his reputation on the forum and thinks that's a good thing should be a huge indicator.
            You are right. I won't get it and yes reputation is my last concern. Here anyway.
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        • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
          Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

          You keep jumping to the conclusion that "these people" - these "business angels" - don't exist (at least on this forum). But your "logic" is totally flawed.

          Just because no one is interested in investing in YOUR project (for so many obvious reasons - reasons you continue to ignore), that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of members here who would happily invest in a worthwhile project with someone else.

          Smart investors and "business angels" don't just toss 5% (or whatever amount) of their income at opportunities with people they know nothing about (or who show obvious indicators that they'd be a high risk or terrible to work with). They don't invest money in opportunities or projects without a good reason.

          YOU HAVE CONTINUALLY FAILED TO PROVIDE ONE GOOD REASON FOR ANYONE TO PARTNER WITH YOU AND INVEST IN YOUR PROJECT.

          I don't know if you just don't get this because you're not very bright or because you're incredibly obstinate (or both). But those are two traits that definitely won't attract business partners.

          Selfishness or a lack of generosity is NOT the reason no one is biting.

          If there's one good thing that may have come from this thread, it's that it should show [clueless] people how not to go about finding someone to invest in their business. (Anyone with a lick of sense would already know that...)
          I am absolutely not talking about MY project. You seems to be quite obstinate as well. Why are you always talking about me ???
          Just go to the JV's section and tell me how many people made a public offer of money for projects ? Very few and according to me those one are doing a good thing. That's all.
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          • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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            Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

            Just go to the JV's section and tell me how many people made a public offer of money for projects ? Very few and according to me those one are doing a good thing. That's all.
            Only a fool would make a public offering to fund other projects only to have their PM box stuffed with ridiculous offers on a daily basis. That is something best done privately and you have absolutely no way of knowing how much of that goes on.

            Think- before you post. Your attitudes are simplistic and illogical. May I suggest you post over at kickstarter.com? See how many people that actually look to invest in projects find yours viable. You could strike it rich. Or, not!

            Cheers. - Frank

            P.S. Not sure I actually quoted the proper post, but I think you get what I'm driving it.
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            • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
              Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

              Only a fool would make a public offering to fund other projects only to have their PM box stuffed with ridiculous offers on a daily basis. That is something best done privately and you have absolutely no way of knowing how much of that goes on.

              Think- before you post. Your attitudes are simplistic and illogical. May I suggest you post over at kickstarter.com? See how many people that actually look to invest in projects find yours viable. You could strike it rich. Or, not!

              Cheers. - Frank

              P.S. Not sure I actually quoted the proper posts, but I think you get what I'm driving it.
              I came from the JV and found this:

              $2,000,000 to spend, need an online business!
              I'm looking to invest $1,000 to $10,000 in your new product/idea!
              Valuable business idea? Plan but no capital?

              I find this very fine from them. That's all.

              I've already tried an indiegogo's campaign without any result because you also have to market the campaign of course ( I learned that I should build a list before lauching the campaign

              No no, the car's business is much better and will bring more money. So I wil be able to make my stuff published quietly.
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              • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

                I came from the JV and found this:

                $2,000,000 to spend, need an online business!
                I'm looking to invest $1,000 to $10,000 in your new product/idea!
                Valuable business idea? Plan but no capital?
                Right. One post out of many hundreds of thousands. Good eye! lol

                And do you think that the perceptive individual making that offer would find any interest in you or your product?

                Did you contact the poster to find out? Of course not, because you already know answer. :-)

                Cheers. - Frank
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                • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
                  Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                  Right. One post out of many hundreds of thousands. Good eye! lol

                  And do you think that the perceptive individual making that offer would find any interest in you or your product?

                  Did you contact the poster to find out? Of course not, because you already know answer. :-)

                  Cheers. - Frank
                  In my project ? Of course not . But that's not the point.

                  But I must admit that I finally understand the basics of IM during this thread because of you and the other great guy (sorry for him but I forgot his name). Thank you very much. I really appreciate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
    I always see the same few people responding to threads where conflict is involved. Interesting.
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    • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
      Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

      I always see the same few people responding to threads where conflict is involved. Interesting.
      For me as well. Maybe they like it
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  • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
    To Jennifer and Cali:

    Do you know that there is actually a family of 4 Ukrainians people who I absolutely didn't know before living in my flat as long as they wish because their house has been destroyed because of the war in Ukrain ?
    Maybe this would also sounds quite weird to you.
    Why did I do that ? Because I have the possibility to help somebody else. So when I was asked to do it my wife and I didn't hesitate one second.That's all.

    Would you do the same ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jennifer Hutson
      Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

      To Jennifer and Cali:

      Do you know that there is actually a family of 4 Ukrainians people who I absolutely didn't know before living in my flat as long as they wish because their house has been destoyed because of the war in Ukrain ?
      Maybe this would also sounds weird to you.
      Why did I do that ? Because I have the possibility to help someone. So I didn't hesitate one second.That's all.

      Would you do the same ?
      I'm not even going to indulge you with an answer because the two are so far unrelated and your logic is so beyond flawed, that I would be wasting my time.

      I suggest everyone else do the same. This was obviously a troll thread – just let it die already.
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      • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
        Originally Posted by Jennifer Hutson View Post

        I'm not even going to indulge you with an answer because the two are so far unrelated and your logic is so beyond flawed, that I would be wasting my time.

        I suggest everyone else do the same. This was obviously a troll thread – just let it die already.
        The relation between both is: if you have the possibility to give smb. a leg up don't hesitate.
        That is actually the morality of this thread. Not so difficult to understand

        Any other comment Jennifer ?
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by Briedis2 View Post

      To Jennifer and Cali:

      Do you know that there is actually a family of 4 Ukrainians people who I absolutely didn't know before living in my flat as long as they wish because their house has been destroyed because of the war in Ukrain ?
      Maybe this would also sounds quite weird to you.
      Why did I do that ? Because I have the possibility to help somebody else. So when I was asked to do it my wife and I didn't hesitate one second.That's all.

      Would you do the same ?
      And the 'Humanitarian of the Year Award' goes to . . . . . . . . . .

      Many people here give freely to causes that they believe in - and they do it without drawing attention to themselves. Your are incredibly devoid of even the most basic social skills.

      Cheers. - Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        And the 'Humanitarian of the Year Award' goes to . . . . . . . . . .

        Many people here give freely to causes that they believe in - and they do it without drawing attention to themselves. Your are incredibly devoid of even the most basic social skills.

        Cheers. - Frank
        Exactly. I am this kind of guy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Briedis2
    If you have the possibility to give smb. a leg up don't hesitate.
    All of you are already providing great business advices and I find it really nice. But if you have enough money from your businesses why not to go one step further and become a business angel ?
    That is the conclusion of my thread.

    Hope that something positive came out from it.
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