Thinking about getting back into the marketing game

by timber
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Hi all,
I am considering getting back into the internet marketing field as a way to make some side money, but I haven't decided 100% on what to do.

I am leaning towards ads in Backpage (possibly Craigslist if I get any traction), but I can't tell if the same problems as before still exists. Just about all of my campaigns from before would get ghosted instantly. And the few test ads I've tried on Backpage have again been ghosted.
Are PVA still the best way to go? IP Changers? Also, do I still need to cloak my links? I post in the Biz Ops section with img's for the ad linking to the offer.

Anything I should know before I invest some of the limited money I have to get me started. I know I can't really expect anything out putting any money out, at the very least I think I would need a domain name even to use a re-direct or cloak my links with.

I do remember a site that allowed me to track my craigslist / backpage ads, I think it was craigslisttracker.com, but that's not a valid url anymore.

I can't put any money into it right now, just wondering if it's viable without any investment.

Sorry for the long post.
Thanks for any help.
#back #backpage #craigslist #game #marketing #thinking
  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Anything I should know before I invest some of the limited money I have to get me started.
    Yeah, that stuff doesn't work anymore. Invest your money somewhere else
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  • Profile picture of the author marketermatt
    If I were you my man, I would start learning about list building and product creation. In my eyes you will never be truly successful online without building some sort of list of customers.

    Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author timber
    Product creating isn't really an option, as I can't afford to pay writers or graphic desginers or anyting that would need to be done. I have no idea how to create any products. Wouldn't have I have to actually be making money before I have anything worth creating a product around?
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    • Profile picture of the author marketermatt
      Originally Posted by timber View Post

      Product creating isn't really an option, as I can't afford to pay writers or graphic desginers or anyting that would need to be done. I have no idea how to create any products. Wouldn't have I have to actually be making money before I have anything worth creating a product around?
      Not at all man! If you can generate 1 - 2 leads then there is someone out there who can't do that who will want info about that! If you can record youtube video's you can make a product around that.

      You don't have to already be making money online to be able to make money online haha, I advice you to spend a bit of time on this forum looking around and learning then put together a pdf of what you have learn't.

      Put a squeeze page up to get that pdf and start collecting leads.

      Email those leads and build a relationship with them, then start emailing them offers to other products

      BOOM!
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
      Originally Posted by timber View Post

      Product creating isn't really an option, as I can't afford to pay writers or graphic desginers or anyting that would need to be done. I have no idea how to create any products. Wouldn't have I have to actually be making money before I have anything worth creating a product around?
      All you need is a 2-4k word article, to turn into a guide, and use it to build a list. You can do that for under $50.
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      • Profile picture of the author timber
        Even $50 isn't really an option for me, as I said, I know it's not hard for some, but I've never been able to even make the smallest amount online. I'm glad you've been able to make some money, I just haven't had any luck doing anything like that.

        That's why I'm looking to start small. Creating a product is one thing, getting it out there and being able to make money from it is a completely different story. It may be easy or simple for others who have all the connections in place and a credit card to put charges on, but I don't have that.

        I appreciate the advice thou, thanks for that.

        So, I'm getting the impression that Craigslist or Backpage are not good ideas anymore?

        I'm going by some freebies that I got from the War Room and that guide recommends Backpage promoting a hosting service. Not sure how old the guid is however. I guess that's the down side of the War Room however, seems like stuff that's out of date or not effective anymore seems to end up.

        BTW, I'm not trying to be negative or unappreciative, I have just tried most of the suggestions before and either failed miserably at it, or didn't have the money to put into it to really push it forward. I've tried PPC, Ad Swaps, Article marketing, SEO, atc, you name if I've probably tried it at some point and didn't get anywhere. So for me to come back here and think about trying something again, it's a big deal for me, I'm afraid that the same thing is going to happen and I'm going to be even further behind than I already am.
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        • Profile picture of the author marketermatt
          Originally Posted by timber View Post

          Even $50 isn't really an option for me, as I said, I know it's not hard for some, but I've never been able to even make the smallest amount online. I'm glad you've been able to make some money, I just haven't had any luck doing anything like that.

          That's why I'm looking to start small. Creating a product is one thing, getting it out there and being able to make money from it is a completely different story. It may be easy or simple for others who have all the connections in place and a credit card to put charges on, but I don't have that.

          I appreciate the advice thou, thanks for that.

          So, I'm getting the impression that Craigslist or Backpage are not good ideas anymore?

          I'm going by some freebies that I got from the War Room and that guide recommends Backpage promoting a hosting service. Not sure how old the guid is however. I guess that's the down side of the War Room however, seems like stuff that's out of date or not effective anymore seems to end up.

          BTW, I'm not trying to be negative or unappreciative, I have just tried most of the suggestions before and either failed miserably at it, or didn't have the money to put into it to really push it forward. I've tried PPC, Ad Swaps, Article marketing, SEO, atc, you name if I've probably tried it at some point and didn't get anywhere. So for me to come back here and think about trying something again, it's a big deal for me, I'm afraid that the same thing is going to happen and I'm going to be even further behind than I already am.
          If you can't afford $50 for anything to make money online I suggest you go out and find a job first before you try to make it here.

          Its much easier and faster to make money online with start up capital
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  • Profile picture of the author timber
    So, what you're all telling me, is that Backpage and / or Craigslist, are not worth the effort at this time... Correct? Too many restrictions and all that jazz??
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  • Profile picture of the author timber
    I'm having a hard time believing that Backpage and Craigslist Marketing isn't working for anyone, as I look at the number of posts still going up across the country. If it's not at least somewhat effective, then there wouldn't be as many posts, in my opinion anyway. Am I completely wrong? Or am I just missing something.

    Some of the posts also have shortened url links as the href link, I don't know what to think anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    IMO move away from classifieds sites, they are more headache then they are worth
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  • Profile picture of the author avigau111
    I have lot of positive sounds about getting backlinks from marketing game...
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  • Profile picture of the author timber
    If creating my own product was an option, I'd be willing to try it, but I have bigger things to worry about first, such as...

    1. Learning how to generate traffic
    2. Learning how to build a list.
    3. What to do with that list.
    4. How to turn that traffic into sales (IE Sales copy / affiliate promo's, etc)
    5. 100 other things that I don't even know where to start with yet.

    I'll tell you right now why I am scared of building a list again. Last time I dealt with a list building system, I had to suspend it after 6 months, only had about 25 people on my list with ahat much work, Put the service on hold for another 6 months, then when I re-activated my account, the next day I was charged the whole 6 months that my account was inactive. Why? When I asked they said that they had to account for the storage of the size of the list I had built.

    Point is, there are so many other things I know that I don't know, and have info overload around, I need to keep it simple and dumbed down to my level. If I can't even get Backpage or Craigslist marketing figured out, then I'm just going to waste money I can't afford to waste on trying to create / market / promote and sell a product that would really just be someone else's product with my name on it.

    I have learned however, not to really ask how to figure out something, because people will just jump on you and tell you that in order to get your problem solved, they have just the product for you. I get it, but it kind of makes me die a little inside.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by timber View Post

      If creating my own product was an option, I'd be willing to try it, but I have bigger things to worry about first, such as...

      1. Learning how to generate traffic
      2. Learning how to build a list.
      3. What to do with that list.
      4. How to turn that traffic into sales (IE Sales copy / affiliate promo's, etc)
      5. 100 other things that I don't even know where to start with yet.

      I'll tell you right now why I am scared of building a list again. Last time I dealt with a list building system, I had to suspend it after 6 months, only had about 25 people on my list with ahat much work, Put the service on hold for another 6 months, then when I re-activated my account, the next day I was charged the whole 6 months that my account was inactive. Why? When I asked they said that they had to account for the storage of the size of the list I had built.

      Point is, there are so many other things I know that I don't know, and have info overload around, I need to keep it simple and dumbed down to my level. If I can't even get Backpage or Craigslist marketing figured out, then I'm just going to waste money I can't afford to waste on trying to create / market / promote and sell a product that would really just be someone else's product with my name on it.

      I have learned however, not to really ask how to figure out something, because people will just jump on you and tell you that in order to get your problem solved, they have just the product for you. I get it, but it kind of makes me die a little inside.
      Instead of spending your time right now looking for systems and schemes, sit down and make a list of a few things - like your skills (relating to on line), your connections, your likes and passions, etc.

      When I started many years back I only had debt. Lots of debt. I could not afford to do anything. But what I did have was time. So I spent it learning a few things. For me, it revolved around the technical side of the business - installing scripts, web hosting, webmastering, setting up blogs for people...you get the idea. Then I started looking for people who had info I wanted, or perhaps a product - and I contacted them and did some good old fashioned bartering - my time and skills for their product/service, etc.

      I also found a way to go to a live event and make even more contacts. Can't afford to fly or hotels? Then look for something you can drive to (try the Warrior Events section to see if there's anything close by). This business - contrary to popular belief - is ALL about making contacts with others. This more than anything else propelled my success. I know MANY of the most well-known "guru's" that you probably have heard of. It ALL started by going to a breakfast (this was 2005). So don't shake this one off.

      Because of going to lunches, events, etc. I formed my first partnership. This is a good one too - find someone who has skills you lack, and lacks the skills you have. My first partner had zero skills for the technical side of the business (which I had lots of) and a lot of creative skills for writing, product creation, etc (which I had very little of). Together we launched 3 successful products back in 2006 and made some good money.

      I realized early on that this was a process for many (myself included). Patience wins the day. So if cash is of the essence, then get a job. If you have one, get a second one. Then spend your free time learning what you need to learn (skip the TV for a few months).

      Everything I know about the IM world, internet, web hosting, script installations, product creation, list building, and so on, I taught myself and/or traded with MANY others. You would be genuinely shocked at how many successful people are willing to help. You only need to be genuine and willing to learn.

      This life is a constant series of education because things change very quickly. But one thing doesn't change - all of the "systems" people come up with for making money with...or building a list with... all have a shelf life. Which means when one system stops working you have to learn another. These systems may work for a while, but they should never be anything for your business except an ADDITIONAL revenue stream - not a primary one.

      Build a list, and with it, build your voice. Get people to know, like and trust you. Give something of value and never be a bullshitter. Then you can sell them stuff. You don't even need your own products to do that.

      Hope this helps...
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  • Profile picture of the author midasmarketing
    They are still profitable but increasingly difficult to do especially if you have no money to spend. I would recommend focusing on venues that don't have such high start up costs.
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    • Profile picture of the author empat
      If anyone is planning (or currently posting on backpage or craigslist) I am very open to working a deal for the traffic into my sugardaddy sites. email me patrick at establishedmen dot com
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    Who says that information products have to teach people to make money online?

    Here's a list of products you could make and ethically promote without a single cent earned:

    1) PLR products
    2) A list of resources. (I've done a few of these. A list of solo vendors, traffic sources, even a list of affiliate programs)
    3) Interview 10 warriors who have had success with something
    4) Create a graphics pack (If you suck at graphics, I bet you could spend $30 on Fiverr if you're clever and could compile a massive array of graphics that people want)
    5) Offer a service of some type
    6) Compile a swipe file of emails
    7) Conduct demographic research, surveys, etc.
    8) Compile a list of the BEST Fiverr sellers who in your opinion could help any business owner
    9) Compile a list of the best "Free" graphics sites that offer 100% free royalty images
    10) Make a list of the 10 best blogs in the top 5 niches
    11) Buy a piece of PLR software, such as a plugin and resell it

    You can sell just about anything.

    That's just a 5 second brainstorm. I compiled a list of over 20 product creation methods you can publish without ANY experience. (I'm not going to dig that up, but it's very doable).

    (Heck, this is a product unto itself).

    "Product Ideas For Newbies". (I actually published a product under that exact title once. And no this isn't a ploy to sell my own content, because it's off the market lol).



    The world is yours. Even if you're a newbie.

    PS:

    If you truly cannot afford $30, then I would suggest finding a job.

    Sorry to use the J word, but it's just my $.02.

    Good luck.

    PPS:

    I used the word "Compile" way too many times. But I'm tired and don't have my glasses.

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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by Sarevok View Post

      3) Interview 10 warriors who have had success with something


      This. It's easy, it's free and successful people LOVE to share their success stories. And if you do a good job on it, a few of them will even promote it for you.

      Here's what I did back in 2006...

      A guru named Mike Filsaime launched his wildly successful Butterfly Marketing package. For those who don't know what it was, it was a membership script and one of the first that employed the upsell/downsell concepts. It was also a marketing concept that he went through in the BM Manual.

      That launched in Jan. 06 and that same year in the fall, my then partner and I decided that there were quite a few "Butterfly" success stories out there that people should know about.

      So we built a site called Butterfly Riches. We interviewed something like 10 or 12 of these people, and used built the site around that. It took us a couple of months because we both worked full time jobs and did this at night and on weekends.

      When we were finished, roughly half of the people we interviewed emailed their lists for us. While it didn't make us rich, we both walked away with low 5 figure paydays (after paying affiliates).

      I think a concept like this is still very viable...give it some thought.
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