Three of my Domains Were Stolen

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This is just great -- two of my domains were somehow stolen from me. When I go to the sites, someone else's content is there. The domains are still listed as being in my Namecheap account, and there's no record there of any transfers or sales taking place, but when I click on the domain names I get a message that "Domain not found."

The online chat support person at Namecheap basically shrugged his shoulders and said to file a ticket with their fraud department. I filed an abuse complaint with the new listed domain registrar and with privacyprotect.org, which is protecting the current owner's Whois info.

One of the sites I don't care about, but the other is one of my main sites, and it's going to be a big pain if I can't get that back.

This happen to anyone else here?
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Never heard of. But if those are in your Namecheap account how can they be changed?
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Becky
    How is that supposed to be?
    Does that means your site being hacked?
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    • Profile picture of the author enigma2k
      maybe the nameserver is pointing to his host? have a look in the namecheap control panel.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Becky
        Originally Posted by enigma2k View Post

        maybe the nameserver is pointing to his host? have a look in the namecheap control panel.
        Yeah that would be a case too, but not supposed to be
        but nothing impossible
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Ken, is it possible that you have forgotten to renew these domains?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      Ken, is it possible that you have forgotten to renew these domains?
      No... one is good until October, and the other one until next May.

      They're still listed in my Namecheap account, but I can't access any nameserver listings or anything -- I get an error message that says "Domain not found."

      Namecheap's fraud department got back to me a few minutes ago and said

      We will contact eNom as upper registrar so that they will file a transfer dispute.
      So we'll see what happens. I need to get some sleep, it's 3AM here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Steel
    wouldn't that be a hack?

    js
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Turner
    It happen to me once - a hacker had placed a script in my public html - I got onto the web host support and they fixed it - hope you sort it out
    cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Ken, it looks like your domains were transferred out of Namecheap/eNom altogether to another Regsitrar, possibly Directi

    I hope this gets sorted out. You should change the password of your Namecheap account just in case it was hacked.

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Let us know how this turns out. Very interested in knowing how they managed to steal your domains. I have quite a few in Namecheap myself and a lot in Godaddy.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Can you still FTP to the domains?

      I would try that and ensure you dont have a hidden IFRAME redirecting users to an external site.
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  • Profile picture of the author debra
    This is why I use NetworkSolutions for my main sites. Everything else gets registered at NameCheap but I've never heard of any monkey business going on there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
    Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

    This is just great -- two of my domains were somehow stolen from me. When I go to the sites, someone else's content is there. The domains are still listed as being in my Namecheap account, and there's no record there of any transfers or sales taking place, but when I click on the domain names I get a message that "Domain not found."
    About a month ago, you had a problem with someone ordering hosting under your account. Was that ever resolved? I'm thinking maybe that's related to the current issue?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Originally Posted by Danny Turner View Post

      It happen to me once - a hacker had placed a script in my public html - I got onto the web host support and they fixed it - hope you sort it out
      cheers
      Danny
      The problem isn't in the hosting (I don't think), it's at the domain registrar...

      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      Ken, it looks like your domains were transferred out of Namecheap/eNom altogether to another Regsitrar, possibly Directi
      That's it exactly -- I have changed my password.


      Originally Posted by WordPro View Post

      If you have security issues / concerns after this event, may I suggest that you switch to the most secure of all domain registration companies - Moniker http://Moniker.com -- They charge a little bit more than your average domain registration company but are known to be the most secure in the domain industry overall.

      This question might also be worth asking over on the NamePros Forum where someone will be certain to be able to help you, with this question.

      http://NamePros.com

      PS Try Whois.sc they can often dig a bit deeper that your average WHOIS searching tools...

      http://WHOIS.sc
      Thanks for the info, Mark -- I will look into Moniker. I have sent abuse complaints to their new registrar and their current host, for whatever good that will do...

      Originally Posted by dave147 View Post

      Could be nothing and not what happened to you but, did you ever get one of those emails from "namecheap" asking you to click on the link and confirm your details? this type of email does not use your account user name, while any other email from namecheap does - makes me wonder about that type of email so I don't click the link - If I want to confirm my details I will go to my account.
      I did get emails with transfer authorization keys for the two domains -- I contacted Namecheap support right away. They told me it did appear someone was trying to hijack the domains and I should make sure they were locked (which they were). I changed my password at the time and then basically forgot about it until now... not sure how a locked domain got transferred...

      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Can you still FTP to the domains?

      I would try that and ensure you dont have a hidden IFRAME redirecting users to an external site.
      Yes, I can still FTP -- the problem is that the domain name itself has been stolen... not a hosting problem, as far as I can tell.

      Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

      About a month ago, you had a problem with someone ordering hosting under your account. Was that ever resolved? I'm thinking maybe that's related to the current issue?
      That happened at aPlus, where I have an old account I'm not using at the moment...

      Thanks everybody for your feedback and advice...
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
        Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

        I did get emails with transfer authorization keys for the two domains -- I contacted Namecheap support right away. They told me it did appear someone was trying to hijack the domains and I should make sure they were locked (which they were). I changed my password at the time and then basically forgot about it until now... not sure how a locked domain got transferred...
        So maybe it is your email account that has been hacked as well. Then they changed the notification email address so you were left in the dark.

        Martin
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohsin Rasool
    Hi Ken,

    This is very strange and difficult situation.
    Buddy i wish you GOOD luck and hope you get your domains back.

    Please keep us updated.

    Thank you,
    Mohsin
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Now it appears both domains have moved and and are being hosted on Google's servers now... at least that's where the IP resolves to. WTF?
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      • Profile picture of the author MeCanX
        Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

        Now it appears both domains have moved and and are being hosted on Google's servers now... at least that's where the IP resolves to. WTF?
        Honestly, that's why I always register at Godaddy...
        I've never had any problems with something like that...
        The only thing I can think of with your issue is the question of:

        Did someone back order your domain names?

        I know a lot of times if you don't pay for the name once it expires that the backorder will beat you to the punch...

        But you said they were still valid so I'm not really sure then...as it could only lead to a hack of some sort...especially if now the IP's seems to be moving...
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        • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
          Originally Posted by Martin Luxton View Post

          So maybe it is your email account that has been hacked as well. Then they changed the notification email address so you were left in the dark.
          Yah -- about a month ago my Gmail password was suddenly changed without my knowledge -- I switched to the secure settings. That might have something to do with it, but I received transfer authorization keys for those domains to my email address, so that wasn't changed in my Namecheap account. As I noted above, I immediately told Namecheap support about those emails.

          Originally Posted by .Ben. View Post

          Ken - PM me the domain names and I'll check the domain history of them (I've an upgraded account at DomainTools.com) - it might show who has taken them...
          Thanks, Ben, I've sent you a PM.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
            Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

            Yah -- about a month ago my Gmail password was suddenly changed without my knowledge -- I switched to the secure settings. That might have something to do with it, but I received transfer authorization keys for those domains to my email address, so that wasn't changed in my Namecheap account. As I noted above, I immediately told Namecheap support about those emails.
            Check your Gmail settings. If it was hacked, perhaps they set up a forwarding address, where incoming mail is also forwarded to a different account. Then, when you received the transfer authorization keys, they could have received them as well at the forwarding address, allowing them to authorize the transfer.

            Check under the "Forwarding and POP/IMAP" tab in Gmail.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Originally Posted by .Ben. View Post

      Looks like you've been hacked...
      Yes, I know.

      Found another one gone -- three domains stolen.
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      • Profile picture of the author Robyn8243
        Ken:

        First, let me say, I am sorry for the aggravation this must be causing you. Its amazing the kind of destruction and chaos hackers can cause their victims.

        It would seem that if you had the domains registered with namecheap and
        you did not authorize their transfer (and in fact you advised namecheap when they first sent you an email about a proposed transfer) it should be up to namecheap to contact the new registrar and resolve this.

        Unless the new owners/thieves can show proof of how they obtained the rights to these domains that were indisputably owned by you, I would think that it would be pretty straight forward to establish that you are in fact the legal owner. You can prove you bought domains from Namecheap...and what can they prove? The only way they could have obtained rights to the domains would be through some transaction/payment made to you...which does not exist.

        Of course common sense does not always prevail.

        I think everyone would benefit by seeing how this is ultimately resolved, and I am curious as to whether other people have had this issue, and how different registrars
        have responded to back up their customers.

        I hope that this gets resolved in your favor asap.

        On a different note, every time I see one of your posts, your avatar makes me smile...and I want to see a close-up.

        Robyn
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  • Profile picture of the author scott_krech
    Wow...that sucks!

    This exact thing just happened to one of my clients a few weeks ago. He's a home builder and had a site with hundreds of backlinks.

    Hope this never happens to me!

    But it is an interesting idea for a product, is it not?

    Title could be:

    How to Quickly and Easily Secure YOUR Website
    to Make You Impenetrable to Hackers!

    I'm sure there's a ton of products like it already.

    Sorry for your loss Ken!
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Hi Ken,

    Sorry to hear this. These type of stuff can only be a distraction but
    you learn from them and move on stronger than at the beginning.

    Hope things resolve in your favor.

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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      So Scary...
      I'm sorry for your loss, but we need security professionals here to give us some tips to protect ourselves,
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  • Profile picture of the author MDalton10
    Sounds like a Trojan/Virus. I'm sorry to tell you but all the best anti-virus software in the world does not mean you don't have one. I found a Trojan about a month ago that was out for over 7 months before I submitted it.

    "Dear Sir/Madam,

    thank you for your email.

    Please let us inform you that the file attached to your previous e-mail was really infected with a new variant of Trojan horse. The detection will be available with the next AVG virus definitions update.

    Thank you for your cooperation.

    Please feel free to contact us if we can be of further help.

    Best regards,

    Ondrej Ploteny
    AVG Technical Support"

    So the only way you can be safe is to format. If someone REALLY wanted your domain they couldn have created a virus just for you. And depending on your OS you don't even have to download it.
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  • Profile picture of the author DougBarger
    I'm also sorry to hear about this Ken. It couldn't have happened to a better guy.

    Is there anything we can do to help you with this?
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    i don't know that this things also could happen....
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  • Profile picture of the author MDalton10
    I will give you tips. Buy a computer for all your secure internet actions. Don't use the same computer you facebook and myspace for credit cards and domain administraton. Its just not safe. And don't think that because you have a mac "They can't get viruses http://antivirus.about.com/od/macintoshresource/Macintosh_Viruses_and_Mac_Virus_Resources.htm". Pretty much having a work computer and a play computer is the best you are going to get unless you unplug from the internet. You can also get some firewall software and make sure only IP addresses you are approved for can be connected to, but gets kind of tiresome.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
    I bet you a dollar you have a keylogger on your computer. You need to get on a clean machine and change every password you've ever created.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Originally Posted by Rich Struck View Post

      I bet you a dollar you have a keylogger on your computer. You need to get on a clean machine and change every password you've ever created.
      I just installed a brand new hard drive and did a clean install about two weeks ago...
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      • Profile picture of the author kf
        Ken - I hope you're able to get this resolved and get your domains back.
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
        Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

        I just installed a brand new hard drive and did a clean install about two weeks ago...
        Ken,

        I have a suggestion.

        To help you figure out what could have happened (and to have something concrete to show Namecheap) why don't you do a timeline of notable and unusual events?

        e.g.

        21st October 2008: registered domain
        23rd October 2008: put up site
        5th January 2009: Added Avast antivirus
        11th February 2009: Google password changed by hacker
        2nd March 2009: Got strange email about authorization keys
        3rd March 2009: contacted John B at Namecheap
        10th July 2009: Last recorded backup of site with my content
        11th July 2009: installed new hard drive

        Basically, everything you have in data form and everything you can remember. A pattern might emerge that could help you work out exactly what happened and will help you get your sites back.

        And when the whole mess is resolved you've got the material for a really useful ebook on computer security.

        Martin
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  • Profile picture of the author mr.schutz
    Its not possible that your site got hacked. I hope and pray that you will be able to resolve this problem soon. The sooner, the lesser stress.

    I can't imagine how much stress this is giving to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author phylma
    That's scary. All of my domains are through NameCheap. In fact I just renewed one two days ago. I'm going there right now to change my password.

    Good luck getting your sites back.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Ken sorry mate, Im a little confused...

      You say you can still FTP to the domains, what exactly are you FTP'ing to? The domain itself or an IP? What do you see when you establish a connection? Your files or someone elses? If they are your files, have you checked for a redirect?
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      • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
        Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

        Ken sorry mate, Im a little confused...

        You say you can still FTP to the domains, what exactly are you FTP'ing to? The domain itself or an IP? What do you see when you establish a connection? Your files or someone elses? If they are your files, have you checked for a redirect?
        My hosting and my domains are at different companies -- it's my Namecheap domains account that got hacked, not my hosting account. So all my website files are still on my hosting server, although they're not live anymore -- that's what I can FTP to, sorry if I wasn't clear on that.
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  • Profile picture of the author MSGeek
    Considering DNKA info, your computer was not a problem at all, and probably not even your email. It seems that either ENom was hacked, or connections between registars that allowed then transfer domains without triggering the mail, at least not to your account.

    By the way, if you worry about trojans, a great way is to run browsers as virtual appliances. Just get VMWare client and an Internet browsing "virtual appliance" -- virtual machine image. Both are free. That's a little too heavy handed approach IMHO, but then nothing really get's out of browser to your machine. Of course, there is still a risk that you voluntary and accidentally install something from Internet that looks like a great idea...
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  • Profile picture of the author die()
    I am a website developer, and can tell you, it is probably a security vulnerability of the host that has caused your problems. I have had first hand experience of how easy it can be to gain access to other accounts on a webserver. Many webservers can have upwards of 2000 sites on the same server. All it takes is a few lines of code from one account to "browse" the whole server, edit files, delete files, etc. etc. Especially if you are on a Windows server, you are not safe on many shared hosting environments.
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    Wow, this is all a bit scary! I hope it all gets sorted out for you real quick.
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  • Profile picture of the author joyfulwraps
    Ken

    You have been given some excellent advice....sorry I have nothing to add. I did want to offer my sympathy that you were hacked. The "good" side is that someone recognized the value in your domains that made them worth hacking. Small consolation I know but it sounds like you are doing what needs to be done to put a halt on the present hacker and to prevent this from occurring again.

    Just changed my password where my domains are thanks to this thread; so thanks Ken for sharing your pain and for all those who gave Ken such good advice so that all warriors can benefit.
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      • Profile picture of the author dectomax
        I had something similar happen to me with Namecheap. It turned out that the DNS pointers had been changed in MY account. I set them back to point to my hosting and changed my Namecheap password for a very elaborate one. The problem has never returned.

        Have Namecheap got a security problem??
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  • Profile picture of the author babushka99
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    Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

    This is just great -- two of my domains were somehow stolen from me. When I go to the sites, someone else's content is there. The domains are still listed as being in my Namecheap account, and there's no record there of any transfers or sales taking place, but when I click on the domain names I get a message that "Domain not found."

    The online chat support person at Namecheap basically shrugged his shoulders and said to file a ticket with their fraud department. I filed an abuse complaint with the new listed domain registrar and with privacyprotect.org, which is protecting the current owner's Whois info.

    One of the sites I don't care about, but the other is one of my main sites, and it's going to be a big pain if I can't get that back.

    This happen to anyone else here?

    Domains usually don't get hacked that easily. Here are some pointers which I am sure you are already aware of, and some step you could take.

    1. Run an online AV/Spyware scan to make sure no key stroke recording spyware is on your machine. Don't run a single scan, run multiple times and by different vendors.

    2. Change the password of your domain registrar - make sure it is long (12 characters, UPPER/Lower case, numerals and a few characters like &$%#), and it is NOT saved on your computer. If your computer is compromised, little good will this do.

    3. You can do step # 2 from another computer that is not in your house, etc. (more safer from a security viewpoint) if your entire network is compromised.

    4. Make sure all your domains have a Registrar Lock enabled on them.

    5. Change the password to the email address where you receive such information - same scenario - keep the password long and complex.

    6. Go through all your domains and ensure the ownership information that is reflected is yours.

    7. Send a 'Standing Instructions" (via fax, email and registered post), that the Domain Registrar is NOT to transfer/change ownership of any domain in the event they receive instructions in writing (like fax/letter). The only method they should accept is the one outlined in the website and what you use. Your goal is to have credible evidence of you having informed the Domain Registrar prior.

    8. Make sure if you have assigned Authorization Codes to your domain to be transferred that they are 'reassigned'

    9. If you have a Reseller Account, domains can come with a User ID and Password, have this changed immediately.

    10. Send a copy of the letter to IANA.

    11. Send a copy of the letter to the registrar where you deem the domains have been transferred.

    12. You can file for a case at IANA/WIPO (it will cost money)

    13. Take any and all snapshots of the domain before it was transferred, Internet Archive: Wayback Machine is a good point: Internet Archive: Wayback Machine

    14. Keep all the transactions you have completed on that domain (FTP logs, Web Logs, Blog logs, etc. and save them onto a USB memory stick and a CD).

    15. If you even 'suspect' your computer to have been compromised, until and unless you are very good with the security aspect of it (for example can you definitively tell what traffic is traversing through your modem and on what ports? by what application?) - it would be suggested to take a back up for your data and reformat the machine. This IS, I will admit, a little drastic, but if you have digital property and that property is managed by that one machine of yours. I'd have it cleaned.

    16. If you have a habit of storing your passwords on a file, on your computer, a notepad or Excel or Word file, assume it HAS been compromised and change all this information. Tedious, but would you want a repeat of what just happened to you.

    17. Keep sending a daily reminder, fax, email, letter to the registrar until the issue is resolved. The goal is to show you actively pursued this wrongful transfer. It helps provide weight to your case.

    Hope it helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Well, here's an update -- the thief has contacted me via email offering me at least one of the stolen domains back (the most valuable of the three) for $2000 via Western Union.

      I'm sure I can trust him, right?
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        You're joking...

        Has anyone been of assistance yet?

        Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

        Well, here's an update -- the thief has contacted me via email offering me at least one of the stolen domains back (the most valuable of the three) for $2000 via Western Union.

        I'm sure I can trust him, right?
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        • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
          Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

          You're joking...

          Has anyone been of assistance yet?
          I'm in regular contact with the Namecheap fraud people, who say they are conferring with the eNom fraud people, who are conferring with the fraud people at the receiving domain... but haven't heard anything else yet.
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          • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
            I wonder if you could enlist the help of Western Union. If you send some money - someone, somewhere must claim it. I wonder if they would be interested in tracking that person. Don't you have to turn up at a WU office in person to claim the money?

            Then again, could you (or WU) trust the staff in their local offices?

            Can you ask the thief for a phone number. Maybe their mobile phone company might be interested in helping trace the calls you make to them?????
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            • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
              Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

              Can you ask the thief for a phone number. Maybe their mobile phone company might be interested in helping trace the calls you make to them?????
              He sent the email through his mobile phone, so I already know what provider he's using... I have no idea what country he's in, though -- I'm going to guess it's one where I don't know if I can trust the WU staff or not. Might be worth contacting the phone company, though...
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              • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
                Ken,

                Of course you don't know detail profile of the thief. So please DON'T use WU. Because the thief can hide his/ him real profile and make fake address.

                Maybe bank transfer is good way because you can know the detail of the thief through his/ him bank. Note: If anyone want to open a new account at a bank, he/she must show ID card/passport/SSN to a customer service so he/she has difficulties to hide the real profile. This is applied to trustable countries.
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          • Profile picture of the author davezan
            Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

            I'm in regular contact with the Namecheap fraud people, who say they are conferring with the eNom fraud people, who are conferring with the fraud people at the receiving domain.
            Forward that latest offer from the thief to NameCheap while you're at it, Ken.
            That can help in your recovery of those domain names.

            You did the right thing contacting NameCheap ASAP. It's sometimes a pain to
            have a so-called "middleman" rather than deal directly with the actual provider
            (eNom) itself, but...NameCheap's an exceptional reseller in the sense they do
            work on hijacking cases.

            Chances are, the PublicDomainRegistry/DirectI/PrivacyProtect folks locked up
            all those domain names pending resolution with eNom and NameCheap. That'll
            prevent the domain names from being changed or transferred out.

            Meanwhile, they're likely sending and signing waiver forms with one another to
            release themselves from liability. That's one of few things that's taking them a
            bit long, but we did that ourselves when recovering stolen domains in my past
            registrar life.

            However, I'm optimistic based on what you've stated so far. It won't be solved
            "immediately" or any faster than what NameCheap and eNom are doing, but do
            keep at it.

            Oh, and secure your domain's listed email and your computer, of course. That's
            mainly how potential hijackers get through.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
              Originally Posted by davezan View Post

              Forward that latest offer from the thief to NameCheap while you're at it, Ken.
              That can help in your recovery of those domain names.
              Absolutely, I did that immediately. I'm debating whether to respond further and string him along a bit...
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              • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
                Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

                Absolutely, I did that immediately. I'm debating whether to respond further and string him along a bit...
                I don't think I've posted to this thread yet because I felt there was nothing I could contribute to it, but I've been following this saga from the start and really rooting for you even before the latest twist, which was quite a shocking one.

                One thing I would say is to be careful about outlining your plans to deal with this on here in case your thief is a Warrior (I'm using that term in the loosest sense possible!), or watches the boards. I know it's unlikely, but it's not outside the realms of possibility either.

                Take care, Ken. Right is on your side with this one, and even if it does take some time, you'll win out in the end. Don't let it stress you out - it's not worth a heart attack, and the thief is not worth any more of your mind-space than what the circumstances are already asking you to give him.
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                • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
                  Originally Posted by Diana Lane View Post

                  One thing I would say is to be careful about outlining your plans to deal with this on here in case your thief is a Warrior (I'm using that term in the loosest sense possible!), or watches the boards. I know it's unlikely, but it's not outside the realms of possibility either.

                  Take care, Ken. Right is on your side with this one, and even if it does take some time, you'll win out in the end. Don't let it stress you out - it's not worth a heart attack, and the thief is not worth any more of your mind-space than what the circumstances are already asking you to give him.
                  Yes, I thought of that -- that's why I didn't want to put his email address in the thread. I'll shut up now just in case.

                  I'm not really stressing out. I am going to keep pursuing this. Thanks everybody for the good wishes and good advice.
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              • Profile picture of the author Robyn8243
                Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

                Absolutely, I did that immediately. I'm debating whether to respond further and string him along a bit...
                I would try to get a clue as to where he is located. In all likelihood, he is located somewhere where domain stealing is an honorable line of work, but there are scammers here in the US, and if that were the case, you might be able to get law enforcement involved and get this --------locked up. Of course, I am not remotely suggesting that you risk any of your money in a sting. That is up to law enforcement to deal with the details.

                I can't imagine that you won't eventually get your domains back. You seem to have found out right away, so it will just be you versus the thief. It just sucks that you need to deal with all this unnecessary, time wasting BS.

                In the meantime, this jerk has probably been trying to resell your domains to other victims. I hope that the registrars can sort things out quickly.

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      • Profile picture of the author Robyn8243
        Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

        Well, here's an update -- the thief has contacted me via email offering me at least one of the stolen domains back (the most valuable of the three) for $2000 via Western Union.

        I'm sure I can trust him, right?
        WOW!! That's messed up!

        Ken, you should offer to pay them $10,000 with one of those infamous cashier checks, and just ask them to send you the balance of $8,000 by Western Union.

        Seriously though, if they are located anywhere this kind of fraud is taken seriously, I would try to contact law enforcement to set them up...by offering to sell you the domain for $2,000 they just upped the ante. The consequences of stealing something with $2000 value are much greater than stealing something of $10 value. Something law enforcement might be willing to help with.

        I really hope that you will ultimately get some satisfaction with this.

        Robyn
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      • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
        Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

        Well, here's an update -- the thief has contacted me via email offering me at least one of the stolen domains back (the most valuable of the three) for $2000 via Western Union.

        I'm sure I can trust him, right?
        Where does he live? I might pay them a visit if they are close enough to touch.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
    You might contact Lee McIntyre about this. He went through the
    same thing a year or so ago. Some guy in Turkey offered to sell him
    back his own name for big bucks. He finally got it resolved but I don't
    know the details. (I think he was doing business with Go Daddy)

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    • Profile picture of the author Lee McIntyre
      Originally Posted by Thomas Wilkinson View Post

      You might contact Lee McIntyre about this. He went through the
      same thing a year or so ago. Some guy in Turkey offered to sell him
      back his own name for big bucks. He finally got it resolved but I don't
      know the details. (I think he was doing business with Go Daddy)

      Tom
      Hi Tom

      Either I've been drinking too much and my memory has deserted me (possible)... or you have me mixed up with someone else!

      To the best of my knowledge, none of my domains have been stolen, though if I've now jinxed myself and wake up to an email from Turkey then I'm blaming you

      Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author scattered
    come on, post up any information you have on this guy. He is obviously in it for some money, thus the offer to return the domain for $2,000.

    Bait this schmuck along. Get whatever information you can out of him and make it public here. There are some very good interweb detectives out there who get off on finding people hiding behind emails/domains and the like.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I hope the people in "fraud" get this resolved for you. After reading this, I changed all my passwords to email and name registrars.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeffrey Arthur
      Wow what a scary thing to happen. Best of luck Mate, i'm sure something good will come of this. Karma always comes back to bite.
      I too am quite interested in how this all comes to an end. Any idea how the thief knew to contact you? Might be that they are still hacking one of your accounts.
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    • Profile picture of the author Niche Me
      I just came on and read this. WOWZER! And to think I've been stressing about all the steps to promote my sites. Certainly puts things into perspective.

      I never knew this type of crime existed or was even possible and adds another element of stress to IM.

      I can't imagine the level of stress this has caused you and am soooo.... sorry.
      I really hope the next time I check this thread that there is a happy outcome.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
    Oh dear sorry Ken. That's not good. I presume these domains were locked? If so then I agree with Martin there may be something maybe more serious like an email hack.
    Hope you get this sorted ASAP.

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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Originally Posted by scattered View Post

      come on, post up any information you have on this guy. He is obviously in it for some money, thus the offer to return the domain for $2,000.

      Bait this schmuck along. Get whatever information you can out of him and make it public here. There are some very good interweb detectives out there who get off on finding people hiding behind emails/domains and the like.
      Well, if anyone's interested PM me and I'll pass on what I have. While I certainly wouldn't feel bad if somebody did him some damage, I think it's a better use of my time and energy to work through the registrars involved.

      Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

      Where does he live? I might pay them a visit if they are close enough to touch.
      I wish I knew -- although I have a hunch it's not in my hemisphere of the planet.
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  • Profile picture of the author rbabi18
    I read an article in playboy a couple of years ago about how someone stole the domain sex.com and was making almost a million a month off of someone elses domain. Millions of dollars in legal fees later, the original owner got it back but the whole situation was a total mess. You may be able to empathize with that lol. Good luck for the future and thanks for the domain advice guys!
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I don't know how these things happen but it's really scary. I read about the sex.com thing too. Unbelievable that such a high value domain could be stolen ... not only stolen but used to make the money that the owner should have been making.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Ken, best of luck on getting the domains back.

    I wonder if you have any idea how they were transferred out. Do you know whether the thief did hack into your Namecheap account?

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  • Profile picture of the author enterpryzman
    Namecheap is just an eNom reseller....when I had a problem with namecheap and they could not resolve it, I called eNom and they fixed it for me.

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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      I wonder if you have any idea how they were transferred out. Do you know whether the thief did hack into your Namecheap account?
      The only answer I've gotten so far about how it happened is "We don't know," which I find difficult to believe. Getting the domains back is top priority right now -- after this, I'll be asking some pointed questions to prevent this happening again.

      Originally Posted by enterpryzman View Post

      Namecheap is just an eNom reseller....when I had a problem with namecheap and they could not resolve it, I called eNom and they fixed it for me.
      The Namecheap people are talking to eNom, and I'm talking to both of them, and eNom is talking to the receiving registrar.
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  • Profile picture of the author Buster Iversen
    Most people here seem to think that the only way this could have happened is if hacking was involved, really if there is no trace then it was properly done the old fashioned way.
    The thief could simply have phoned a person at the registrar with sufficient access and asked for the transfer to be made (it is called social engineering and is properly the most efficient form of "hacking" ever invented). If this is how the transfer happened then the person who got tricked will have to make a decision of either risk their job by admitting thy made a mistake or cover up their involvement by deleting any evidence.

    So you may never really get to know how this happened or how to prevent it in the future.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Due to the investigation and the most recent evidence, the current registrar has now removed privacy protection from the whois records for all three stolen domains.

      Still don't have a name, but the email address listed matches the one I received from the thief. The records say he's in Jakarta.
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      • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
        Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

        Due to the investigation and the most recent evidence, the current registrar has now removed privacy protection from the whois records for all three stolen domains.

        Still don't have a name, but the email address listed matches the one I received from the thief. The records say he's in Jakarta.
        Jakarta eh?

        Contact these guys, and have them tell you exactly who in law enforcement to talk to in Indonesia about this:

        Embassy of The Republic of Indonesia - Washington DC



        Also, I would recommend getting an online virus scan done asap, just to make sure you're not infected with some backdoor stuff.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Ken, I'd report this b*****d to the FBI and let them string him up by his
          toes.

          What I wish to happen to this scum I can't post in a family forum so I'll
          just keep my mouth shut.

          Hope you get things back to "normal" soon.
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      • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
        Jakarta??? Jakarta is capital of Indonesia. Indonesia is located between Australia and Malaysia. Cyberlaw of Indonesia is weak, because its lawmakers have little knowledge about internet.

        Indonesia telephone country code is 062. You try to ask the thief to phone you, you can track his/him location. And you can see the telephone country code.

        Please don't send the money to the thief. Maybe you need to report this case to FBI/ CIA.


        Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post


        Still don't have a name, but the email address listed matches the one I received from the thief. The records say he's in Jakarta.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Good ... sounds like they're on it ... hopefully you will get them all back.
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  • Profile picture of the author chibobski84
    wow, sorry to hear that your domain is stolen ken,

    Hope you can get it back.

    my 2009 were not good as well, my gmail and my paypal has been hacked... shish..

    Good luck ken!
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  • Profile picture of the author babushka99
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    If I were I'd report this to WIPO and ICANN. ICANN keeps a check on the registrars, and if the registrars are not being helpful, you would have done your duty to inform ICANN, the basic question you should be asking in writing again and again of your registrar and all those associated is how did it happen? Why are they being lax about it? Do tell them if they fail to get your domain back, you WILL file charges and any/all legal fees would be borne by them.

    Also, pressurize ICANN and WIPO on stepping in and aiding you.

    I would also advise you have ONE chance/shot to get your domain back.

    Do not take steps without having first discussed it with an attorney or equivalent who knows this area very well, and you certainly do not want to be contacting the person who wants to sell it back you without having thought this thing over and having discussed it with someone who would know what the repercussions are of the action you would take.

    As knowledgeable as all the members in the Forum are, it is still advisable to talk to / deal with someone who does this for a living and knows the law and tactics.

    I cannot stress enough that you need to nearly peg the scale as far as putting pressure on the Registrars are concerned.
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