To be successful at Internet Marketing- you need to be Greedy

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This is the cold truth.

To be successful at Internet Marketing you need to be a greedy individual - or willing to develop a greedy personality.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    That's simply not true.

    IMO, that's something of a limiting belief that some "poor" people believe because it "justifies" why they're not wealthy and/or willing to work hard.


    "All rich people are greedy" is a popular one.

    Personally, I think that in order to be successful at IM, you have to provide your market with genuine value: Something that improves their lives in some way. I suppose you could call it "serving" your market …

    And there's nothing greedy about doing that.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasodaly
      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      That's simply not true.

      IMO, that's something of a limiting belief that some "poor" people believe because it "justifies" why they're not wealthy and/or willing to work hard. "All rich people are greedy" is a popular one.

      Personally, I think that in order to be successful at IM, you have to provide your market with genuine value: Something that improves their lives in some way. I suppose you could call it "serving" your market ...

      And there's nothing greedy about doing that.
      This is a correct analogy. You will never build a long term sustainable business unless you provide value to your customers and your income is intrinsically linked to the value you provide.

      And with your current mind set you will probably struggle to build a profitable business until you become comfortable with people paying you for your help /advice and guidance.
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    • Profile picture of the author lolCashlol
      Part of it is frustration.

      I have yet to see a sales letter that says,

      "
      Dear struggling Marketer,

      Although I have made $10,000 a month in Internet Marketing there is a 98% that you will fail and not make any money online.

      I will only tell you what has been working for me, but you will need to work for 4-5 years straight, for 10-12 hours a day.

      ....

      "

      I haven't seen one, because those type of sales letters don't convert.

      If it hasn't been done, I would love to do a case study on that.

      I think it is a limiting belief of some sort... but it's hard for me to find a balance.

      If anyone has any good reading material for it I would love to find it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by lolCashlol View Post

        Anyone has any good reading material for it I would love to find it.

        In terms of beliefs I've heard that T. Harv Eker's "Secrets Of The Millionaire Mind" is a good read.
        : )
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        • Profile picture of the author jamescanz
          Originally Posted by lolCashlol View Post

          I think it is a limiting belief of some sort... but it's hard for me to find a balance.

          If anyone has any good reading material for it I would love to find it.
          It definitely is a limiting belief.

          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          In terms of beliefs I've heard that T. Harv Eker's "Secrets Of The Millionaire Mind" is a good read.
          Was right about to recommend this when I already saw Jonathan post it.

          But yeah, based upon what you've mentioned in this thread you created...

          I would highly recommend reading up on that book asap.
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          • Profile picture of the author lolCashlol
            Originally Posted by jamescanz View Post

            It definitely is a limiting belief.



            Was right about to recommend this when I already saw Jonathan post it.

            But yeah, based upon what you've mentioned in this thread you created...

            I would highly recommend reading up on that book asap.
            Videos seem like a cheap way to go for now.

            I am not afraid to show my face(why would anyone),

            So I could review launches and funnel traffic to sales pages.

            Maybe after a year of 1-2 videos a day I'd be making around $50-100 a day in commissions.

            Seems like a pretty basic way to start.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
              Originally Posted by lolCashlol View Post

              Videos seem like a cheap way to go for now.

              I am not afraid to show my face(why would anyone),

              So I could review launches and funnel traffic to sales pages.

              Maybe after a year of 1-2 videos a day I'd be making around $50-100 a day in commissions.

              Seems like a pretty basic way to start.
              The great IM misconception is that there is an inherent audience out there hungrily waiting for you to throw up some mediocre content for them to click on.

              Maybe you'll find the magic formula and make a little money with that, but probably not.

              Why not instead do some work to find the hungry audience first, then see how you can best serve them?

              Radical concept, I know. Selling solutions to actual problems. But it seems you have a much better chance of succeeding that way.
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              • Profile picture of the author lolCashlol
                Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

                The great IM misconception is that there is an inherent audience out there hungrily waiting for you to throw up some mediocre content for them to click on.

                Maybe you'll find the magic formula and make a little money with that, but probably not.

                Why not instead do some work to find the hungry audience first, then see how you can best serve them?

                Radical concept, I know. Selling solutions to actual problems. But it seems you have a much better chance of succeeding that way.
                I have trouble bridging tough love, to impersonal advice with you.

                Help me out.
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                • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
                  Originally Posted by lolCashlol View Post

                  I have trouble bridging tough love, to impersonal advice with you.

                  Help me out.
                  I'll be more blunt.

                  We see people with the same issues/questions come through here every day. They are all disillusioned and looking for that one, elusive magic formula.

                  It doesn't exist.

                  Business - at least business that lasts - is the art of solving problems in a way that is scalable.

                  Posting videos and hoping for clicks might get you a few bucks here and there, but that is not a business. It is a scheme, and it lasts only as long as the people who control the platforms you are playing on will allow it to work.

                  Figure out where your skills and talents lie, then try to match those to existing markets.

                  You won't find it in any WSO, but it really is as simple as that. Start small, figure out what works, then scale it up. If it doesn't connect with any audience, then you misread the opportunity. Cut your losses and pivot to a new idea (or a new variation on the old one).

                  Test, test, test. Invest in what works and cut what doesn't.

                  Before you know it, you'll be succeeding online.
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              • Profile picture of the author BradCarroll
                Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

                The great IM misconception is that there is an inherent audience out there hungrily waiting for you to throw up some mediocre content for them to click on...

                Why not instead do some work to find the hungry audience first, then see how you can best serve them?
                This right here folks. Right on the money!
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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan Vodini
            Originally Posted by jamescanz View Post

            It definitely is a limiting belief.
            Agree! also i would suggest you to have a look to this great book

            "How rich people think" -Steve Siebold

            you will definitely understand the difference between people who make money and those who do not.
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        • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          In terms of beliefs I've heard that T. Harv Eker's "Secrets Of The Millionaire Mind" is a good read.
          : )
          here is a famous quote from T harv


          Rich people admire other successful people; poor people resent them. If you view wealthy people as bad..., you can never be rich..." T.H.E.
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          • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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            Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

            here is a famous quote from T harv


            Rich people admire other successful people; poor people resent them. If you view wealthy people as bad..., you can never be rich..." T.H.E.
            So - does that mean that there are no bad, wealthy people and that if you are wealthy you are automatically good? :-) Of course all wealthy people are not bad, but many are quite bad simply by the way they went about acquiring their wealth.

            Cheers. - Frank
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            • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
              Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

              Rich people admire other successful people; poor people resent them. If you view wealthy people as bad..., you can never be rich..." T.H.E.
              Amen. I agree Robert. : )

              Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

              Of course all wealthy people are not bad, but many are quite bad simply by the way they went about acquiring their wealth.
              I think the key word there is "many." The vast majority of people (IMO) are honest marketers.
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              • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                I think the key word there is "many.'
                Yes - that's why I included.
                The vast majority of people (IMO) are honest marketers.
                But what does that have to do with wealthy people? Apples and oranges. :-)

                Cheers. - Frank
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                • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                  Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                  But what does that have to do with wealthy people? Apples and oranges. :-)
                  As someone mentioned is another thread, we live in the World of "Authentic Marketing."

                  The people who are "honest" (etc.) will rise to the top.
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                  • Profile picture of the author pistol99
                    Don't agree with this at all, there are plenty of people out there who are not greedy in the slightest and are hugely successful. IM's I follow give huge value and content and people buy just because of that no greed in the slightest just the opposite.
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                  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                    As someone mentioned is another thread, we live in the World of "Authentic Marketing."
                    Someone's term for I have no idea, what. lol
                    The people who are "honest" (etc.) will rise to the top.
                    Some will and some won't. If all it took was being honest to rise to the top, no other skills would ever be needed.

                    Also, remember the old saying, "Poop floats."

                    Cheers. - Frank
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                      I could be wrong, Frank, however I think most Millionaires are really cool people.

                      For instance I know of one guy who has made it his mission to make as many people millionaires (who will each all donate a million dollars to charity) as humanly possible. That's pretty cool by anyone's standard.
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                      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                        I could be wrong, Frank, however I think most Millionaires are really cool people.
                        And you know how many of the nation's 1.24M people with a net worth of at least $5M?
                        For instance I know of one guy who has made it his mission to make as many people millionaires (who will each all donate a million dollars to charity) as humanly possible. That's pretty cool by anyone's standard.
                        Oh, OK - you don't actually know any but you know 'of' one.

                        Here's a name for you. Bernie Maddoff. How about Dennis Kozlowski. I can list over 100 rotten to the core millionaires. Doesn't make them all bad? No, but it certainly belies your basic premise. Open your eyes. There's a real world out there and it ain't all unicorns and puppy dogs.

                        C'mon, man. Get real.

                        Cheers. - Frank
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                        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                          Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                          There's a real world out there and it ain't all unicorns and puppy dogs.

                          C'mon, man. Get real.

                          Lol.
                          Well I guess I'll just have to contribute to those "cool" Millionaires. (And, just because I don't know any of them "personally" doesn't mean they aren't out there.)
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                          • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                            Lol. Well I guess I'll just have to contribute to those "cool" Millionaires. (And, just because I don't know any of them "personally" doesn't mean they aren't out there.)
                            I never did and never would say they are not out there. I certainly hope they are. :-)

                            Cheers. - Frank
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                      • Profile picture of the author capitalalchemy
                        This is the worst thing I've ever read. I've accidentally taken the greedy approach and it always ends in failure. This has happened when I was too focused on my needs and not the needs of an audience.

                        The bigger the contribution you can make to society the bigger your chances are of making more money.

                        If you focus on the money you're only trying to contribute to yourself and every time it will bite you in the butt.

                        This is also why there are people in the world who later go on to become billionaires who never dreamed this would happen. They were only focused on building something life-changing that would end up impacting a LOT of the world.

                        To be greedy is like being a door-to-door salesman who says this is a "stick up". "Give me your money, because I don't feel like giving you anything"...this never works.

                        Human behavior in terms of money is that NO ONE likes to give money away. I've hung out with very wealthy people and they are stingy just like everyone else. Everyone clings to money.

                        But if you create something that is so impactful that it's a no-brainer for your audience then letting go of a little money is not a problem for anyone.

                        If YOU cling to money when trying to create value for others then you won't create any value at all. Your creativity will become stifled and too inward seeking and you need outward feeling to determine how to create value.

                        Money also makes people dispassionate. Because if you have it it's easy to acquire what you desire without having to work at it. If you don't have it then you focus on how much easier it would be to acquire what you desire without having to work at it. It's a tool. The privilege to have something instantly.

                        You need passion/inspiration to create something amazing and yes this applies to affiliate marketers as well.

                        So if you want to talk about what greed is - there it is in a nutshell. The strike contrast between failure and success. Chasing money will destroy you and often times others. Chasing contribution and passion will make you and enrich others. That's what true wealth is. "I have made your life better and enjoyed the process of doing so." Money and many things that are nice to have in life usually follow. They only follow if you contribute LOVE for your fellow man.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
                        The "Competitive" mind never wins in the long run...

                        There is enough for everyone and we are living in a world of abundance.

                        To succeed in IM you need to stick with it, focus, and do income producing activities daily
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                      • Profile picture of the author GregDeTisi
                        You don't need to be greedy at all. I make exactly what I want to make and could make alot more if I was greedy but I am not. I like to help people and I and my mrs can live very well on what we live on. This is because not everyone online is a hard sales person. Some people are heart led coaches and entrepreneurs and I pride myself in being htis way as I know that by helping others I feel good. And a bi-product of that is that you get more money but not by being greedy. Yes, selling has an air of promotion and persuasion to it but this is ok if you are promoting what you really believe in and can enhance anothers life, That is why I recommend finding your core niche. For example, weight loss is big right now, you can help others by being an affiliate for weight loss products, you tap into a healthy vibrant market yet you are simply sharing what others need. Greediness is more about becoming a millionaire regardless of the quality of your products or services. So many things today are full of crap, and the next best thing. It;s all about illusion and colours tempting you in. What is best is to find honest experts who have done what you want to do. Not get greedy! It is not that hard to make a consistent 2-3k per month within a few months honestly and without being an asshole about it.
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      • Profile picture of the author StephenGB
        Originally Posted by lolCashlol View Post

        Part of it is frustration.

        I have yet to see a sales letter that says,

        "
        Dear struggling Marketer,

        Although I have made $10,000 a month in Internet Marketing there is a 98% that you will fail and not make any money online.

        I will only tell you what has been working for me, but you will need to work for 4-5 years straight, for 10-12 hours a day.

        ....

        "

        I haven't seen one, because those type of sales letters don't convert.

        If it hasn't been done, I would love to do a case study on that.

        I think it is a limiting belief of some sort... but it's hard for me to find a balance.

        If anyone has any good reading material for it I would love to find it.
        Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller, that will give you a pick up.
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    • Profile picture of the author Edwin Torres
      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      That's simply not true.

      IMO, that's something of a limiting belief that some "poor" people believe because it "justifies" why they're not wealthy and/or willing to work hard.


      "All rich people are greedy" is a popular one.

      Personally, I think that in order to be successful at IM, you have to provide your market with genuine value: Something that improves their lives in some way. I suppose you could call it "serving" your market ...

      And there's nothing greedy about doing that.
      BINGO!

      This took me a while to understand and implement, but man does it work!
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  • Profile picture of the author Miguelito203
    Originally Posted by lolCashlol View Post

    This is the cold truth.

    To be successful at Internet Marketing you need to be a greedy individual - or willing to develop a greedy personality.
    I don't think that's true. I think it has more to do with going into a profitable niche market and being passionate about the market you go into. When you're passionate about what you're doing, you're going to work your butt off. I think it's why celebrities continue to work when they don't have to. I've also heard some popular Youtubers say that once you get to a certain level, they feel like they have to "feed the beast" just so they don't let the followers down.

    Joey
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  • Profile picture of the author sogeshirts
    There are a lot of dishonest marketers out there who do what you are suggesting, and are greedy. There are also some really up front marketers that I have learned a great deal of. They have helped many people actually make money, and that is what earns them the money of others.
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    • Profile picture of the author talfighel
      Originally Posted by sogeshirts View Post

      They have helped many people actually make money, and that is what earns them the money of others.
      Which is perfectly fine.

      You help others and they succeed too. It is a win win situation.

      Sad thing is that not all "gurus" or "experts" teach everything that they do. They don't really share their personal secrets to success and that is why most people fail.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
    Originally Posted by lolCashlol View Post

    This is the cold truth.

    To be successful at Internet Marketing you need to be a greedy individual - or willing to develop a greedy personality.
    You are absolutely right. Because you have failed, it is inconceivable that an honest or decent person could possibly succeed.

    Best to go back to service work. You are lucky... most people spend years failing before discovering that they don't have what it takes.
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    • Profile picture of the author kk075
      Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

      Because you have failed, it is inconceivable that an honest or decent person could possibly succeed.

      Best to go back to service work. You are lucky... most people spend years failing before discovering that they don't have what it takes.
      Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner!

      Combine this post with the other the OP started complaining about having to work long hours, and we have the perfect recipe on how to avoid being successful in IM.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Not really - we've seen it before.

        Join the WF and decide to become "an IMer"...10 days later you have it figured out - it's too much work - probably don't have what it takes....so everyone else must be greedy, or lying or scamming...or whatever.

        People go from the "internet dream" to the "internet reality" pretty fast here sometimes. Some wise up, settle in for the long haul and end up doing well....most find reasons to quit.
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  • Profile picture of the author MrJoeRed
    Your conclusion is probably because you have yet been able to provide value to your audience. Provide a service/product that will REALLY help people and you will accomplish two things:

    1. Helping others
    2. Helping yourself

    These two things make up a successful Internet Marketer... not greed.
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    Originally Posted by lolCashlol View Post

    This is the cold truth.

    To be successful at Internet Marketing you need to be a greedy individual - or willing to develop a greedy personality.
    This is one of the most uninformed comments I have ever heard.

    al
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  • Profile picture of the author icoachu
    I wouldn't phrase it that way

    Instead, I'd phrase it like this:

    To get what YOU want, you have to get OTHERS what THEY want.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jennifer Hutson
    I don't think you actually understand what marketing is - helping your customer solve a problem. Please tell us where the "greed" is in that.
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  • Profile picture of the author ceenote100
    Greed is basically wanting more than what you already have so we are ALL guilty of that sin.


    We ALL want more traffic to our websites.


    We ALL want more business.


    We ALL want more period.


    But wanting something is different than actually having the DRIVE to get it. Greed, for some people, leads to ambition and without ambition you're not going to succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Omarkenawy
    It is easy to get confused with Internet Marketing with everybody saying one thing or another is the Golden key to riches. And in order to build a successful internet business you need to be consistent and do your daily action steps like clock work.
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  • Profile picture of the author honestgroup
    Well, I don't think that's right. To be a successful IMer we should be able to help others with our knowledge. Only then will they know the value of our products and become repeat customers. It is about building relationships and not being greedy at all.

    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author Stevie C
    Does this just apply to Internet Marketers? To be successful and climb the ladder in a job wouldn't this still be the case if your assumptions are correct?

    Here's a book that I enjoyed from Dennis Becker that is a good read on the 'Abundance' subject

    Amazon.com: Abundance Mindset: Quick Ways To...Amazon.com: Abundance Mindset: Quick Ways To...
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by lolCashlol View Post

    This is the cold truth.

    To be successful at Internet Marketing you need to be a greedy individual - or willing to develop a greedy personality.
    What niches have you found this true in? If you only sell in the "internet marketing" or "make money online" niche, i can see how you can make a statement like that. But if you sell "crochet secrets"... you really think you have to be greedy?
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    • Profile picture of the author lolCashlol
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      What niches have you found this true in? If you only sell in the "internet marketing" or "make money online" niche, i can see how you can make a statement like that. But if you sell "crochet secrets"... you really think you have to be greedy?
      I am talking make money online internet marketing niche.

      Have you seen 95% that is peddled in that niche?


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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Have you seen 95% that is peddled in that niche?
        Sure have - and have you seen the people asking for "help" in that niche?

        They want easy, no investment of money, little investment of time, no learning curve, flex schedule, money flowing in quickly and, if you don't mind, they would prefer a "passive hands-off income". A majority of them have low paying jobs offline - or have never worked - but think it reasonable to expect big money online...and fast.

        About 5% of those people are ready to learn and work and build a business....so it matches pretty well

        When you have a group that believes in magic....there will be lots of marketers selling magic tricks...that should not surprise anyone with a lick of common sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author mark healy
    Again that's a false statement. In fact the more you give the more success you have online. Sure there are some greedy people who make a buck or two but its the givers that succeed long term.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      The OP looks like he is in this for an easy buck.

      Another comes and gos. It becomes the norm here anymore


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  • Profile picture of the author Ayawa
    To be successful at Internet Marketing- you need to be "hungry".
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by Ayawa View Post

      "To be successful at Internet Marketing- you need to learn how to satisfy people's hunger."
      Fixed that for you.

      Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author Jackson Tan
    I like to put it in another perspective.. you need to be greedy to learn, greedy to test it out, greedy to know what you customers actually wants. Of course, if the greed causes you to become "evil" or "unethical", then it is bad.

    Everyone wants to be successful or earn a little more extra cash? Is that greed to begin with or just wanting to improve the current stage of life. Just my 2 cents~
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  • Profile picture of the author J50
    I think you've been watching too much Wolf of Wall Street. Real entrepreneurs must be selfless and completely devote themselves to the needs and wants of others before they can achieve any personal gain. There's an endless number of people who have taken on insane amounts of personal risk so we can all enjoy the comfortable lives we've come to know. Thomas Edison failed over a thousand times so you can enjoy flicking on lights in your home.
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    • Profile picture of the author lolCashlol
      Originally Posted by J50 View Post

      I think you've been watching too much Wolf of Wall Street. Real entrepreneurs must be selfless and completely devote themselves to the needs and wants of others before they can achieve any personal gain. There's an endless number of people who have taken on insane amounts of personal risk so we can all enjoy the comfortable lives we've come to know. Thomas Edison failed over a thousand times so you an enjoy flicking on lights in your home.
      I haven't thought of it in the sense of Thomas Edison.

      Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author ThatOneGuy
    I would say that greed is actually counter-productive to anyone with ethics who wants to earn a living online. Greed will only lead to frustration, unhappiness, etc., on both your part and your customers part.

    Being rich would be great, but what I desire more than money is time. There's an infinite amount of money in the world, or at least more than any of us could ever spend in a lifetime, but we each have a finite amount of time. Heck, my time could run out as I'm typing this, albeit unlikely.

    My goal is to have more time, which I suppose is greedy in and of itself. However, in order to get anything, time or money, you have to make yourself a servant to others.

    When you do marketing the right way, you're helping others and money is just a side effect of that, and it's not wrong to receive payment in such a manner.

    Doctors get paid quite well for helping others. Sure, there are always going to be the greedy doctors who misdiagnose so they can perform unnecessary procedures and get more money, or who give in the drug pushers knowing that they get extra money for prescribing certain pills, and there always will be greedy people in any profession.

    However, greed comes with a price. In the case of both our hypothetical medical professionals, ourselves, plumbers, lawyers, roofers, and every other profession you can think of, greed will, at the very least, cause long-term harm. Once your reputation is shot, it's an uphill battle earning trust again. It takes a lifetime to build up trust and a good reputation, and one foul move to see it all come crashing down.

    My advice is this:

    Serve others. Put others before yourself, and be passionate about your niche, not just the money it can bring you.

    My first site was about learning Japanese, since I love learning languages and am particularly good at that one. There were links, but I didn't really push products. All I did was blog about what helps me learn. I showed them tools that were free to use, and tools that have a cost with them, but I made certain that they knew that the tools I promoted were just supplemental materials and they were under no pressure to buy. Mindset is the most important part of learning a new language, and that's what I tried to hammer home. There's no product for that!

    Sure, there's grammar and vocabulary and stuff, but the best way to learn that is through going over native material. No grammar book is going to get you to fluency.

    And, you know what, despite the odds that site made money. It was because I was providing real value to others, not pushing product after product or hiding value behind a price tag. Greed would have been a death sentence for that little blog!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dilip Mane
    Seems like something is missing in that sentence.

    What if we add following at the end of that sentence.

    ' to gain the knowledge and to make a good use of that knowledge'.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxweb
    To be successful at Internet marketing you need to be hungry, passionate and tenacious. If you normally give up after one day don't go down this path, it needs a lot of perseverance and commitment. Best of luck
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    • Profile picture of the author koolphoto
      What I have seen over the years are that newbies are greedy and seasoned marketers are giving.
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  • Profile picture of the author alambd1963g
    In a sense you may be greedy, beside the greed, you have to work. If you are a greedy person, but you do not work regularly, in this situation you will never be a successful person.

    According to me you have to be expert, idol, patience, industries, to be a successful in any field.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fingertips
    Originally Posted by lolCashlol View Post

    This is the cold truth.

    To be successful at Internet Marketing you need to be a greedy individual - or willing to develop a greedy personality.
    That's an interesting point of view.

    The biggest buzz for me personally is to become completely immersed in seeing how I can help other people succeed. This isn't because I am a particularly good person, or somebody who doesn't work on my own success.

    But I find that when I adopt the attitude of giving out what I know, I start to build a trust with them. They see that I am helpful and what I say has value. In the long term they recommend other people to check my business. It certainly works that way for me.

    In fact, I can honestly say that I didn't start making regular and consistent money online until I stopped chasing dollars. Now money chases me - as the saying goes. I hope the amount that chases me will grow much larger every month That's why I'm in business, but building stacks of money is not the goal.

    Maybe like me, your experience online has been with greedy individuals who have taken money from you and given little or nothing back? I certainly met a few of them. That's part of the learning curve.

    But I have also met many ethical and straightforward people who run their online businesses in an honest way and over-deliver on everything they do, They provide valuable products and, and I decided to adopt this mindset instead.

    So do keep looking - they are out there

    Question your statement some more. Don't become successful because you are greedy. There's plenty of them already. Become successful because you are real. I am sure there are many ways to market online, and greedy people do succeed. But I don't personally believe it's the only way.

    Sorry to bang on with this post
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by Fingertips View Post

      Become successful because you are real.
      Your post was excellent - but some people are 'real' greedy! :-)

      Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author ED1190
    You have cool people and corrupt bad people in general. That's life.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by ED1190 View Post

      You have cool people and corrupt bad people in general. That's life.


      True. Good point.
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  • Profile picture of the author lolCashlol
    Jonathan and Big frank going at it as usual.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by lolCashlol View Post

      Jonathan and Big frank going at it as usual.
      It's a discussion. It's what we do here - share are points of view and hopefully someone can find something in our banter that might help them on their journey.

      I can't speak for Jonathan, but I hold no ill will toward him. He seems like a pleasant enough individual, just possibly a bit young and not a great deal of worldly experience. :-) Optimism is nice, but it should always be seasoned with realism and the benefit of personal experience.

      While I realize that I do not come across as Mary Poppins, I'm not the fire-breathing dragon that folks make me out to be. I'm actually a cherub.

      At my age every second is precious. If I am going to devote any of them to discourse, there won't be any BS attached. That's a young man's game. :-)

      Cheers. - Frank
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        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        I can't speak for Jonathan, but I hold no ill will toward him. He seems like a pleasant enough individual, just possibly a bit young and not a great deal of worldly experience. :-)


        Same Frank. Like you said, we were just having a discussion. You seem like a clued-up guy.
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        • Profile picture of the author lolCashlol
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Same Frank. Like you said, we were just having a discussion. You seem like a clued-up guy.
          : )
          It seems you or Frank take opposite sides anyway, even if the side you are 'discussing' on goes against your deepest beliefs.

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          • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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            Originally Posted by lolCashlol View Post

            It seems you or Frank take opposite sides anyway, even if the side you are 'discussing' on goes against your deepest beliefs.

            That's ridiculous. I defend positions that I subscribe to. I don't argue things that I do not believe in just for the sake of having an argument. Life is way too short for that sort of immature behavior.

            Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    It's easy to be under the impression that financial success in online business requires being a sociopath, but that's only because this one corner of the internet has a thing for admiring scammers. Anytime "big" names get dropped in threads in "internet marketing" forums and blogs, those names are scammers almost 100% of the time. It's just so bizarre.

    There's a whole other world out there. Open your eyes.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

      this one corner of the internet has a thing for admiring scammers.
      True. Many people that hang out here admire Donald Trump and think that he is one short step away from being a god. They admire the fact that he has made so much money, yet couldn't care less about how he made his money.

      Of course, most of them have no idea how he has made so much money or how he started out. Doesn't matter. They think he's a billionaire and that's good enough for them. lol

      Cheers. - Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author lolCashlol
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        True. Many people that hang out here admire Donald Trump and think that he is one short step away from being a god. They admire the fact that he has made so much money, yet couldn't care less about how he made his money.

        Of course, most of them have no idea how he has made so much money or how he started out. Doesn't matter. They think he's a billionaire and that's good enough for them. lol

        Cheers. - Frank
        Are you familiar with vick strizhues?

        He is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by lolCashlol View Post

          Are you familiar with vick strizhues?

          He is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
          Vitaliy Strizheus known as Vic to many, is the founder of both The Big Idea Mastermind venture, and The High Traffic Academy course told lies to everyone when he fronted his traffic teaching services. During his opening video at HTA, he claimed that he had borrowed $30,000 dollars in order to start his Internet Marketing ventures some years back when in fact, he had stole the money from an insurance scam that he pulled some years before.

          Vitaliy Strizheus who was only 25 years old at the time of the offence, is originally from Ukraine. The judge at the time sentenced Vitaliy Strizheus to a total of 90 days in jail for grand theft which was postponed due to family issues and as such, he won't be deported. These lies just goes to show that you can't trust in those you believe in to help you with any such online business ventures because it seems, that they are all after just one thing DOLLARS!
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  • Profile picture of the author zacharybarden
    As Gordon Gecko once said, "Greed is good."

    In a way, greed runs our world, but not the same greed you are thinking of. It's a terrible misconception that greed is evil - rather, the lust for greed is evil, and not the lust for money. The lust of the lust for money is where we begin to descend down the rabbit hole, where our conscience leaves us, and there's really no way out.

    But I've gone too dark lol. Short and sweet: greed can be good if used in the right motivational context. And I do agree, no blunt sales letter has ever converted. That's not what people want to hear.
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  • Profile picture of the author BradGB
    lolCashlol, I highly recommend you check out the book The Secret of Selling Anything by Harry Browne.
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  • Profile picture of the author bigguan
    No need to be.. but must be!
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  • Profile picture of the author ericruv
    Originally Posted by lolCashlol View Post

    This is the cold truth.

    To be successful at Internet Marketing you need to be a greedy individual - or willing to develop a greedy personality.
    Yes! and never lazy, always learning and pushing forward, I believe you need to work smarter and not harder but if you do both then there will be no limits.
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  • Profile picture of the author djtrillian
    Originally Posted by lolCashlol View Post

    This is the cold truth.

    To be successful at Internet Marketing you need to be a greedy individual - or willing to develop a greedy personality.
    As others have said in various ways, it's a matter of how you perceive things.

    If you live in a '1st world' country, live in a moderately comfortable dwelling and have food on the table then you are super rich compared to some people on the planet and they might view you as lucky or even 'greedy'.

    Having said that though, some sales copy I read does annoy me a bit and the bragging that is sometimes used (presumably in order to establish their expertise) borders on pure greed.
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  • Profile picture of the author dannygnenerate
    Greed has absolutely nothing to do with success. There are people that are extremely greedy and there are those that are not and you'll find that they can both be equally successful. Greed is simply a definition defined by one person looking at another or a situation. To say I want much, much, much more income from giving more value isn't greedy. The value given is like taxing that person. To want more than what we need isn't greed, surely when we take showers we don't need that much water but a person who's lacking it my look at you and say "look at this greedy person". It's more about defining the mindset.

    You have a million dollars and won't spare $4 to feed someone, then you are greedy but if you are riding in a Bugatti and you're next to someone riding a bicycle, they may say you're greedy, "why does a man need such lavishly expensive toys? Yet, if he/she had McDonald's and the person walking next to her, has barely had a meal the whole week, he/she may look greedy as well. It's all about perspective or lack of. Who is to define what greed is? The same person who define's what beauty is?

    If you're in a position to get MUCH more and it benefits others, then go for it, be as "greedy" as possible. Maybe your huge desire for more than the norm, will change the world.

    We need greedy lions with big capabilities because when they feed everyone else eats (knowledge, food, ideas technologies etc.)
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  • Profile picture of the author gary2beach
    Lots of thoughts being tossed about and in numerous directions so far.

    Here's my thoughts on some things that have been said:

    At times the best thing for someone to do is to stop what they are doing, as the business they are in or trying to be in, will never succeed and start over.

    1st there is nothing wrong with wanting more, that is not necessarily being greedy.

    Marketing is not selling, it is the positioning of a company/brand/product in order to get ready for the sale.

    Sales is getting the order/convedrsion/etc..

    Passion: I know a number of broke passionate people, passion is not what makes a business successful, yet it does help to drive the business.

    What does make for a successful business, hard work, dedication, support from others and most all perseverance.
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  • Profile picture of the author zeus136
    You can only ever become as successful or as wealthy as you expect.

    If you cannot see wealth or success as real possibilities then you should address your core beliefs and expectations using NLP or a similar method.
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  • Profile picture of the author abhayhendre
    Originally Posted by lolCashlol View Post

    This is the cold truth.

    To be successful at Internet Marketing you need to be a greedy individual - or willing to develop a greedy personality.
    So you think guys like Frank Kern, John Reese, Neil Patel, Mike Filsaime, Rand Fishkin are greedy? If yes, good luck with that

    Jokes aside, you really don't need to be greedy to be a successful internet marketer (unless you're thinking about becoming a Black Hat marketer, which sucks BIG TIME).

    All you need to be is "honest"
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    • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
      Originally Posted by abhayhendre View Post

      So you think guys like Frank Kern, John Reese, Neil Patel, Mike Filsaime, Rand Fishkin are greedy?
      I wouldn't group Fishkin in with those other names. He is decent. The others have made a living tricking newbies into thinking they can make a gazillion dollars online. And that is greed.
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  • Profile picture of the author dustychimes
    Greed - noun

    intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food.


    Some people roll this way and others put other people before themselves.

    For some it is a personal philosophy how they act and others its a requirement for thier particular business.

    Different strokes for different folks.
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  • Profile picture of the author classicsportsfan
    That's probably the most untrue statement I've come across in a long time.

    Making money in internet marketing is like making money in any industry. If you develop the right skill sets, and you've found the right formula, then you can make a nice amount of money.

    Sorry, but I don't quite understand what greed has to do with it.
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    When things are difficult, sell the "tools" that make it simpler to perform.

    Sell the shovels, don't dig for the gold.
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  • Profile picture of the author moneyneed
    I understand the OP. When you start providing value and have a large following, you should be able to have the courage to ask for more, so as to have what you are really worth.
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  • Profile picture of the author TD
    Well considering that greed comes from the fear that there isn't enough I have to diasgree with you. The truth is to be successful with an online business or anything else you simply need to have a clear goal with action steps and zero fear to achieving it.

    The real problem is that most people don't realise that they're already conditioned for poverty which is why the failure rate starting an online or offline business is so high.

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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    as long as you put positive meaning of your 'greedy' terms , then it's fine.
    Not all people is comfortable with that term, so the more positive way to say that is:
    you need to be wanting of success and profit in online business and any businesses including to make money online, by giving away great value to people.
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  • Profile picture of the author montecristo786
    You don't have a business problem, you has a philosophical one. If you think screwing people over is the only way you can live, you are going to ruin people's lives.
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    • Profile picture of the author freedumb
      Success has a different meaning for different people. For one person success may be living sustainably in the woods without using any more resources than absolutely needed. For another person success may be having an extra million dollars in the bank.

      Greed is simply the desire to possess goods of abstract value with the intention to keep it for one's self, far beyond the dictates of basic survival and comfort.

      In our current world system most people exhibit greed on a daily basis. It is built in to the current system.

      If you are trying to build a business in order to possess more than your basic needs, then you are definitely exhibiting signs of greed. Good or bad. Right or wrong. Whether you want to admit it or not. It is what it is.
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      • Profile picture of the author lolCashlol
        Some very intelligent posts in this thread so far...
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        • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
          Originally Posted by lolCashlol View Post

          Some very intelligent posts in this thread so far...
          Yes, flaming trolls do tend to draw a lot of activity.

          But did anybody really learn anything? Or did we just dance for you?
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          • Profile picture of the author lolCashlol
            Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

            Yes, flaming trolls do tend to draw a lot of activity.

            But did anybody really learn anything? Or did we just dance for you?
            You are a practical individual by my standards.

            But don't be too pessimistic about people(no accusation intended).

            I am still learning how to keep my judgement and perceptions separate from my present emotional state.

            That's why I make threads that are provocative, because they are a direct reflection of how I feel.

            Hope you can see where I come from.
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  • Profile picture of the author hellonow
    I think there is also an element of luck or simply being in the right place at the right time. First mover advantage is huge online from what I have witnessed so far...
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    I've found the exact opposite to be true. I have found that when you help others and give your knowledge to those in need for free then your good karma comes back to you tenfold.

    I happen to be a believer in helping others whenever possible. There have been many times that a subscriber has written me and told they wanted to buy one of my products but they just don't have all the money and could they send me $2 a week or so until it's paid for,etc. Those people usually get a free copy of the product.

    Am I just being taken? I don't think so.

    See, I honestly feel blessed that I can wake up any time I want and do as I please with my time. I love the fact that I can spend more time with friends and family.

    I can't fault anyone else for wanting that too, and so if there is anything I can do to help someone achieve their dreams and it is within reason and within my power to do so, why wouldn't I help?
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  • Profile picture of the author ykm
    I don't think that you need to be greedy for success of your internet marketing.

    What is greed? why it should be connected with only internet marketing?

    Even a thief or robber will be greedy for money...that is why he/she commits crime.

    Can we term this that you need to be greedy for success in crime.

    To my mind GREED is a negative word, don't connect it with a positive thing like internet marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by elevatingyourbusiness View Post

      That's a limiting belief and one pushed by movies. However, I used to think something similar. My belief was that rich people were all arrogant. Again, not true.


      I'm betting that a (free) Peak Millionaire Mindset Experience would be helpful. They're held globally. I found the MME to be very helpful in helping me grow through some old beliefs. (although thy do have programs to upsell you)http://www.ElevatingYourBusiness.com/b/peak.html
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      Wow, 10 year old members here with shameless self promotion
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  • Profile picture of the author marguerite
    I don't think this to be true. While you "might" make more money if you are greedy, you certainly do not have to be greedy to be a successful internet marketer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Omarkenawy
    No, I'm not GREEDY! I just want you to realize that it is possible to achieve exactly what you want out of Internet Marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author heris
      I believe you are not greedy. Greedy people would not ask this question. They just move on to their goals, ethically or unethically.
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  • Profile picture of the author DonLoughran
    @ykm is on the right track IMO. To be successful your greed needs to be for success. No Olympian ever won gold by not wanting more; by not wanting to be better than all others in his or her sport. Yet we don't see that as greedy, we see it as driven, competitive, committed.

    It's an attitude that leads to success regardless of whether you're an athlete or business owner and I don't think it's about want of possessions as much as it's about want of success. We all want to feel we've "won," That we've pushed through the roadblocks and reached a milestone, overcoming roadblocks, setbacks and negativity. And once that's done, well, the really successful ones aren't those that stop and settle. They're the ones that crank it back up and aim for the next goal.

    Certainly GREED exists, but those who are in it for purely personal gain, in my opinion, miss the true payoff.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeKuss
    You forgot what Gordon said before he said that... "for the lack of better word".

    So actually, I think what he really meant is either DESIRE or MOTIVATION.

    Being in a state of great desire or motivated to get more knowledge, get love, get happiness and wealth.
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  • Profile picture of the author martinmarketing
    I do not think that being greedy is the basis for success, the important thing is to handle it and work hard, and I think that there is most beautiful thing to share the success, and help people, especially those closest to you
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  • Profile picture of the author panditmarketing
    I really think that to be successful in IM, you really need the right mindset. You need to be clear what it is you want and why you want it and what you will do to get it.

    You might start off in the business because you want a better life, but you continue with it to help your family and others around you.

    I think if you're greedy in IM you don't last because people see through it.

    So I don't think greed has anything to do with success in IM, certainly not long term success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    Yes Echo what Andre Slater just said.

    OP, you have an issue regarding money.

    It's mostly a mental issue. GREED is Perceived as BAD right?

    And if you think you need it (for your success), then why would you want to take part in this evil industry?
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  • Profile picture of the author bijutoha
    Yes I'm greedy, hungry even I'm feeling I'm nothing specially in internet marketing
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  • Profile picture of the author .X.
    There's an ocean of difference between greed and drive.

    Drive is the key. Start, don't stop.

    Driven people are successful, and some of them *are*
    greedy.
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