What's up with google?

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I was all excited the other day because I discovered a long tail keyword that had about 10,000 monthly searches, and under 300 competition in an exact (in quotes) search on google. When I looked up the same keyword earlier today the competition jumped to over a million! And I just checked it out again and the competition is back down at around 500.............anybody have any clue as to what's going on here?
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  • Profile picture of the author Launder
    WOW that is crazy. Its things like this which confuse me really bad. I don't know whether to jump on it or not and right when I think I should, Google will show something different which leaves me stuck once again.
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  • Profile picture of the author yves
    Yes, google sometimes does things like that. I once had a keyphrase that jumped from 29,500 to 65,000 competing pages.

    Try google's scroogle scraper, maybe it will be more acurate as it shows the results without any preferences to your past searches.

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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    Originally Posted by newBum76 View Post

    I was all excited the other day because I discovered a long tail keyword that had about 10,000 monthly searches, and under 300 competition in an exact (in quotes) search on google. When I looked up the same keyword earlier today the competition jumped to over a million! And I just checked it out again and the competition is back down at around 500.............anybody have any clue as to what's going on here?
    This has been happening a LOT lately with my niche research. It's not you, it's them. LOL:p
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  • Profile picture of the author Launder
    Anyone care to explain what is a Google Scroogle Scraper? I had to laugh when I read that it is just funny sounding. I wonder who thinks of their terms for them?
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    • Profile picture of the author Lawrh
      Originally Posted by Launder View Post

      Anyone care to explain what is a Google Scroogle Scraper? I had to laugh when I read that it is just funny sounding. I wonder who thinks of their terms for them?
      Scroogle Scraper

      Scroogle is a donation funded proxy for Google. It is intended to block Google from tracking you. In the process it prevents geo location tracking as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author yves
      Originally Posted by Launder View Post

      Anyone care to explain what is a Google Scroogle Scraper? I had to laugh when I read that it is just funny sounding. I wonder who thinks of their terms for them?
      He he, I know it's a good name. Thanks lawr for explaining.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryce
    Originally Posted by newBum76 View Post

    I was all excited the other day because I discovered a long tail keyword that had about 10,000 monthly searches, and under 300 competition in an exact (in quotes) search on google. When I looked up the same keyword earlier today the competition jumped to over a million! And I just checked it out again and the competition is back down at around 500.............anybody have any clue as to what's going on here?
    Take a Look at this:
    From the writer of Web Analytics 1 hour a Day

    Google's Search-based Keyword Tool: Monetize The Long Tail of Search | Occam's Razor by Avinash Kaushik
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  • Profile picture of the author scattermouse
    Google is always inconsistent, but that's more variation than I'd expect.

    I know Google gives different results if you're logged into your Google account on gmail, analytics, etc. Maybe that's the problem?
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Damn - this makes me kind of worried on the researcxh i have been doing recently
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  • Profile picture of the author quickregister
    Man, I really think it is the luck of the draw with Google now. It is hard to find any pattern. Unfortunately they are very cyrptic when they communicate with you. I have given up trying to figure them out. It is just trial and error now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emma Ngin
    I would think that perhaps this are new sites, sometimes google will adjust the number of sites being indexed. Some of these sites would drop out and maybe some of the sites are added in.
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  • Profile picture of the author scattermouse
    Emma, that is a good point, and something that has to be taken into consideration.

    But I don't think it could account for a difference between 300 and a million in a few days.

    In fact, I've been racking my brains and I'm not sure I can think of anything that could account for a jump that big.

    newBum, no offence but are you sure you used an exact search on every occasion?
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  • Profile picture of the author Emma Ngin
    hmm.. yup, that's such a big jump, but I think without knowing the keywords, it's hardly able to know the reason behind it.

    I don't think the exact search are really accurate. I often just use the broad match and use market samurai to check the competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author scattermouse
    Market Samurai is good. It doesn't always agree with Google, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I normally find intitle searches are a better way of finding out about your competition than exact, phrase, or broad match searches.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sara Young
    There's something going on right now. Google is updating the way it displays search results.

    Here's a video that explains it:

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  • Profile picture of the author ayolov
    Google can't be trusted any more!

    Google is messing up it's results, just look at this:


    This are the results with quotes, now look at the same keyword, with intilte:


    There are more pages with the keyword inside the title that on the whole document?? WTF??

    Google is screwing with us!! for some reason the intitle tag is not working, on the test I did today some results would vary for one time to annother, it would say "10 results for intitle keyword" then I would try the same keyword again, say in a couple of hours... and it would say "100,000 results for intilte keyword" the same keyword!!

    BTW, scroogle.org does not display the number of competing sites, so it won't work for this kind of research.

    I base a lot of decisions on this for the niches I'm working on right now, I'm upset and angry at google!
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      Do you really care if there is 1 million competing pages?

      I know you shouldn't and what you should care about is the competition already on the front page.

      Can you beat them?
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      • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
        Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

        Do you really care if there is 1 million competing pages?

        I know you shouldn't and what you should care about is the competition already on the front page.

        Can you beat them?
        BINGO! Give that man a ceee-gar. You gotta get out of the "how many total competing pages" mindset and focus on where you actually want to be. The Top 10. Preferably the Top 1. Find a keyword with a promising number of monthly searches, then do a Google search for that keyword and dig into the Top 10. Analyze. Deconstruct. Determine your realistic chances of toppling one or more of them. Then go for it, or move on to the next keyword in your list.

        Who cares if there are a million competitors? That number is ultimately useless. Worry about the 10 you're really competing against.

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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Didn't the sites that got on the first page, get there by putting up decent content, and getting enough links from other sites, especially with higher PR rank?

    So to answer your question Intrepreneur, I would say that we shouldn't. Given enough time, if we can build a site that has decent content, given enough time to do or get the SEO work done, we can rank for any niche that we want to.

    Am I wrong?
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    • Profile picture of the author cctravis
      I posted another weird google search finding in the following thread.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post1123566

      I think Google is broken. Can anyone explain this?

      Here is the info I posted in the other post.

      Why is it in google when you search for

      allintitle:heat help desk You get 1,430 results BUT when you search
      allintitle:"heat help desk" you get 6,140 results AND when you search

      also when you search

      intitle:"heat help desk" you get 6,140 results making it essentialy the same as the allintitle search

      The quotations around the keyword make you get more results? The quotations I thought were supposed to make an exact search which should give you less results.
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  • Profile picture of the author ayolov
    Yeah, I get the idea that u have to check competition, but it is always a good idea to know just how many sites are you competing against; the intitle tag I considered a good way to do this.

    The disappointing thing with Google is they offer great tools and then they tamper with the results, if this would start happening with the link: tag from yahoo we would have a hard time to determine the strength of the sites we were up against.

    The “top 10” is completely relative nowadays anyway.
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