Who in the forum sells something other than IM?

9 years ago

Originally Posted by TheGMa

No offense, but I'm seeing an awful lot of members who only sell IM materials.

The posts are rife with Warrior complaints about Internet Marketing ads misleading folks into thinking they can make a million while doing nothing but sucking air, but the get-rich-quick in IM ads abound.

I've begun clicking on the See member's home page in the poster's drop down menu, but was surprised to find that many are linked to non-existent sites.

I've been on the fringes of the forum since God made little green apples, and now I'm really, really going to need solid advice. I have a huge job ahead of me and am counting on the good guys to give me a nudge in the right direction from time to time.

But the job is not, nor will it ever be, selling IM marketing systems that tout the fast buck.

The question is, are there tried and true members still here who know about marketing products and niches other than IM and have been successful at it?

If you are on an IM forum, what do you expect others to sell except IM products?

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clockface 9 years ago

Originally Posted by solarwarrior

If you are on an IM forum, what do you expect others to sell except IM products?

Using I.M. for a real business...how about that?

On here IM means sellnig courses on how to .....Pyramid schemes, copied ebooks
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mojojuju 9 years ago

Originally Posted by solarwarrior

If you are on an IM forum, what do you expect others to sell except IM products?

Maybe products that having nothing to do with the subject of internet marketing but that can be marketed on the internet.
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ghost209

9 years ago

yes. the majority of my income comes from selling Health / beauty products.

And there's tons of people here that sell in other markets.
To be honest, IM / MMO is TINY compared to how much cash is out there in some other markets.

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TheGMa 9 years ago

Thank you, Ghost.

Yeah, I'm aware of the other markets, I have 3 businesses, two of them in start-up: one of them a new bricks and mortar that will need a web site, one old web site, and some new related on line biz I want to get going and have already planned out.

Any suggestions as to who I should follow in the forum who isn't selling IM?

Thanks again, Ghost,

Annie
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Synnuh

9 years ago

Majority comes from IM. Content & Offline SEO services.

And golf clubs. A lot of golf clubs. They will spend buku on a new putter.

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TheGMa

9 years ago

LOL Synnuh!!!! Maybe I could sell all those little silver cups Mother and Daddy won at the country club. eBay anyone? Oops, no. Doesn't work unless the buyer has the same name as my folks. Dang!

Thought I had it made in the shade for a second there.

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Tsnyder

9 years ago

Originally Posted by TheGMa

LOL Synnuh!!!! Maybe I could sell all those little silver cups Mother and Daddy won at the country club. eBay anyone? Oops, no. Doesn't work unless the buyer has the same name as my folks. Dang!

Thought I had it made in the shade for a second there.

If their name is Smith you might be in fat city!

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TheGMa 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Tsnyder

If their name is Smith you might be in fat city!

Oh God!

Okay, I literally have a large suitcase full. So see, what I do is melt them down to make the world's largest dime.

Just follow me a minute - I blog the journey from country club to silversmith - stay with me here - and call Guiness!

And the blog followers go wild! Ya-a-ay! click click click
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Barry Unruh

9 years ago

Have you taken a glance at the offline marketing area of the Warrior Forum?

I'd suggest you do..

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TheGMa 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Barry Unruh

Have you taken a glance at the offline marketing area of the Warrior Forum?

I'd suggest you do..

Thanks Barry. That's very helpful.
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CDarklock

9 years ago

Originally Posted by TheGMa

No offense, but I'm seeing an awful lot of members who only sell IM materials.

There are two kinds of people in an IM forum: people who sell something the IM crowd wants, and people who need help with IM.

If you know what you're doing and you don't sell anything IM related, it's a complete waste of your time to be in here when you could be in front of your target audience instead.

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TheGMa

9 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

There are two kinds of people in an IM forum: people who sell something the IM crowd wants, and people who need help with IM.

If you know what you're doing and you don't sell anything IM related, it's a complete waste of your time to be in here when you could be in front of your target audience instead.

Ummm, not a waste of time at all; in fact, I've learned a lot in the forum and yes, I am already in front of a decent-size audience. I have merely been away from the online biz for long enough that I'm a bit out of the loop.

As I've mentioned in another post, money is still coming in at $150-$200/mo on a site I haven't touched since 2008*.

I merely wanted to make sure that old timers like me who aren't into marketing IM products are around to help me hither and thither, and I will certainly help in return.

* I checked the site last December and it was down to something like $50/mo, so in January & February I pounded away on it a bit and brought it up to the above mentioned average. Now I'm waiting on a contract from my former company to bring the site up to snuff.

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CDarklock 9 years ago

Originally Posted by TheGMa

I have merely been away from the online biz for long enough that I'm a bit out of the loop.

That would be the part where you don't know what you're doing.

There's no shame in that, but you'll reach a point where you do, and it won't be worth hanging around here anymore. Unless, of course, this is where at least some of your bread is buttered.
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Mark Singletary

9 years ago

Just wanted to put my 2 cents in:

1. I know what I'm doing - even though there are always things to learn.
2. It's not a waste of time to be here.
3. Being here doesn't interfere in the least with being in front of my target audience.

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Originally Posted by CDarklock

There are two kinds of people in an IM forum: people who sell something the IM crowd wants, and people who need help with IM.

If you know what you're doing and you don't sell anything IM related, it's a complete waste of your time to be in here when you could be in front of your target audience instead.

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Mark Singletary

9 years ago

I'm currently not selling things to marketers that would hang out here.

However, isn't selling selling? If I can sell a $7 WSO to 1000 people doesn't that count for something? How is that different from selling a $7 ebook to 1000 carpenters? Or doctors?

If I can sell a coaching program to marketers, how is that different than selling a coaching program to accountants?

If you are in the dental equipment business, then wouldn't you need people with experience in the dental equipment business to be able to help you? Going by what I take as your logic in ruling out MMO markets I'd guess so. In other words a guy selling hammers wouldn't be able to help you because he is selling something different than you.

I understand where the feeling comes from - I've had it before myself. But is it logical? Does it make sense?

Mark

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TheGMa

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Singletary

I'm currently not selling things to marketers that would hang out here.

However, isn't selling selling? If I can sell a $7 WSO to 1000 people doesn't that count for something? How is that different from selling a $7 ebook to 1000 carpenters? Or doctors?

If I can sell a coaching program to marketers, how is that different than selling a coaching program to accountants?

If you are in the dental equipment business, then wouldn't you need people with experience in the dental equipment business to be able to help you? Going by what I take as your logic in ruling out MMO markets I'd guess so. In other words a guy selling hammers wouldn't be able to help you because he is selling something different than you.

I understand where the feeling comes from - I've had it before myself. But is it logical? Does it make sense?

Mark

You make perfect sense, Mark. MMO markets? Argh, another acronym with which I am unfamiliar. In any event, I have no objection to selling IM how-to's so long as they don't promise overnight success to the totally uninitiated.

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Mark Singletary

9 years ago

MMO is Make Money Online -- what is typically sold through the forum here.

So you are more concerned with how they sell not what they sell, right?

If that is the concern, then there are a lot of people that sell MMO products and opportunities that do it in a legal, moral, ethical (at least by my standards) way.

Alternatively, there are people selling pet products or golf related things or weight loss things that are way worse than some of the hype (and even lies) that we see here.

Mark

Originally Posted by TheGMa

You make perfect sense, Mark. MMO markets? Argh, another acronym with which I am unfamiliar. In any event, I have no objection to selling IM how-to's so long as they don't promise overnight success to the totally uninitiated.

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TheGMa

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Singletary

MMO is Make Money Online -- what is typically sold through the forum here.

So you are more concerned with how they sell not what they sell, right?

If that is the concern, then there are a lot of people that sell MMO products and opportunities that do it in a legal, moral, ethical (at least by my standards) way.

Alternatively, there are people selling pet products or golf related things or weight loss things that are way worse than some of the hype (and even lies) that we see here.

Mark

No kidding. I completely agree with you, once again. Grin. I'm gonna' start thinking my posts at you. Ommmmmm. Did you get it? *huge grin*

Anyway, my specialty sort of makes me sensitive to claims of quick solutions.

But the main issue in the OP has to do with finding those members who have been successful in other niches (non-IM selling) so I can get into conversations that are an exchange of ideas. I've been in a few threads like that, but now I'm trying to find specific types of members.

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More Than Tips

9 years ago

I understand a bit of frustration with IM niche you will not believe how many people online are not even 18 years old yet. Not that it makes any difference.

Even if you find someone not in the IM niche directly if you want to learn from them then that falls back into the IM niche category in my opinion.

The thing about the I.M. niche is that it does not matter where you made a dollar online previously because now you can create another product teaching how you made that dollar...and it will sell.

Who does not pick up money laying in front of them? Of course you load it with value but the point is I.M. is just a natural migration.

We want hungry markets and it is one market that changes so fast its always hungry to learn and has new people enter it daily.

The ultimate in being an ever green niche.

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Andre Slater

9 years ago

Internet Marketing or Marketing on the Internet is what this forum is all about...

There are a gazillion other forums out there on boat-load of other topics.

Just pick a forum you know... Google (keyword) forum.

example

Cat Forums on Google...
http://www.catforum.com/

Find a forum become involved learn and find out what people's problems are and help to solve them in exchange for their email and market VALUE and PRODUCTS that help them to their email for $$$...

You seem to have issues with IM and the products being sold.

My experience is that it's not so much the products that are the issue

Its usually the person who buys the products are the culprits.

They buy courses and usually don't open them or take any massive action...

They also do exactly what the program says to the T and not try to make it their own.

So they do exactly what 1000 other people did and expect results in 10 minutes and if not they get mad and make threads talking about the courses. HINT HINT

The trick to IM is to stop consuming products and start producing... ACTION!!!

And learning Marketing not the latest secret or loophole crap.

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discrat 9 years ago

Weight loss niche, Mobility Products Niche, and Work from Home niche

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- TheGMa 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by discrat
  
  Weight loss niche, Mobility Products Niche, and Work from Home niche
  
  - Robert Andrew
  
  Okay Robert - you got me at Mobility Products niche. Our bricks'n'mortar start up focuses in part on peeps with physical challenges. Am just finishing up on the patent pending apps (provisional apps) for the first product.
  
  You have a web site?
  
  Ben West, yukon, mysterrio, Zany Zebra, I'll go look for your posts and threads. THANK YOU!!
  
  Synnuh - Your ad copy is snappy and clever.Empire Building, eh? Man, I was SO into that back in my 20's and 30's. And 40's and 50's. Shucks. Guess I still am.
  
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TheGMa

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Andre Slater

Internet Marketing or Marketing on the Internet is what this forum is all about...

There are a gazillion other forums out there on boat-load of other topics.

Just pick a forum you know... Google (keyword) forum.

example

Cat Forums on Google...
Cat Forum : Cat Discussion Forums

Find a forum become involved learn and find out what people's problems are and help to solve them in exchange for their email and market VALUE and PRODUCTS that help them to their email for $$$...

You seem to have issues with IM and the products being sold.

Whoa there, Mr. Slater. Re-read the OP -

1. I have no objection to IM. Been doing it for going on 20 years now.

2. My complaint is the same as others who actually sell IM how-to's: Don't promise some poor shmoe that rags to riches can be a simple, lazy man's task with, no work and no thought required. Selling unachievable expectations. Yet the forum is surrounded by such ads.

3. I have been reading threads, have contributed to some, but have mostly encountered those who sell IM how-to's. I've been hanging around the forum damn near since it started, and in the beginning the contributors were selling all sorts of products and talking about their products and their IM challenges.

Yes, my OP was written while I was frustrated and that came through. Sorry about that. Doesn't bode well for my writing skills.

I just wanted to know where to find the threads loaded with folks in a variety of niche markets other than selling IM how-to's.

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TheGMa

9 years ago

Originally Posted by More Than Tips

I understand a bit of frustration with IM niche you will not believe how many people online are not even 18 years old yet. Not that it makes any difference.

Even if you find someone not in the IM niche directly if you want to learn from them then that falls back into the IM niche category in my opinion.

The thing about the I.M. niche is that it does not matter where you made a dollar online previously because now you can create another product teaching how you made that dollar...and it will sell.

Who does not pick up money laying in front of them? Of course you load it with value but the point is I.M. is just a natural migration.

We want hungry markets and it is one market that changes so fast its always hungry to learn and has new people enter it daily.

The ultimate in being an ever green niche.

What an excellent post, More Than Tips. Thank you.

Okay, here comes the blush, or As the Worm Turns. I've thought plenty about giving IM lessons too, but have also felt that I don't know nearly enough. My market has usually been scammed to the bone and I encourage them to make money online. It's free to learn and free to set up. My biggest expense ever was the $77 I spent on FrontPage.

So many of the ads promise $50 dollar bills falling from heaven, and that won't sell to folks who are already goosey as hell and don't even trust themselves, much less glitzy advertising. They need IM products that cost a reasonable amount with an achievable return so that, from a seller's point of view, they can afford to buy more IM products,

Jeff Walker's videos would get across. Simple, straightforward, encouraging in tone.

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mysterrio

9 years ago

I have many sites that are not IM related. Many people do.

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Banned 9 years ago

Mostly reformatted public domain content/downloads.

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Ben West

9 years ago

Well, technically I don't sell IM products. However I am a digital marketing consultant and I specialise in SEO. But I don't exactly sell my services as an IM product, but instead I work with a business and become part of their team selling what ever it is they sell.

I have helped to sell manufacturing equipment, light bulbs, marquee rentals, holiday home rentals, PC equipment and more. So I think that counts, although not exactly sure what your question is.

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clockface

9 years ago

yeah that's all i see as well.My guess about 0.001% ME. AND A FEW OTHERS?

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Rod Cortez

9 years ago

Dating advice niche, selling medical equipment, investing in stocks & real estate, publishing on Kindle and other platforms, to name a few things I'm focusing in 2016 and beyond. I've spent most of 2015 so far writing for Kindle and doing a lot of traveling.

The thing is that many of the principles you learn about the Make Money Online market can be applied to other niches. The key is to test, track, and tweak your sales funnels (or pre-selling content) and optimize then to find out what works best in your niche, your price point, your specific demographic that you're targeting (if appropriate), and try to beat your control group so that you can maximize your profits.

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ZanyZebra

9 years ago

Originally Posted by TheGMa

No offense, but I'm seeing an awful lot of members who only sell IM materials.

The posts are rife with Warrior complaints about Internet Marketing ads misleading folks into thinking they can make a million while doing nothing but sucking air, but the get-rich-quick in IM ads abound.

I've begun clicking on the See member's home page in the poster's drop down menu, but was surprised to find that many are linked to non-existent sites.

I've been on the fringes of the forum since God made little green apples, and now I'm really, really going to need solid advice. I have a huge job ahead of me and am counting on the good guys to give me a nudge in the right direction from time to time.

But the job is not, nor will it ever be, selling IM marketing systems that tout the fast buck.

The question is, are there tried and true members still here who know about marketing products and niches other than IM and have been successful at it?

Yep. Physical products. Ecommerce.

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9 years ago

I sell physical products as an affiliate for places such as Amazon, Sears, Overstock etc.

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frambles

9 years ago

I don't sell anything, I give away 6,000 digital products for free. Then I make money from advertising and account upgrades to remove limits!

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TheGMa 9 years ago

Originally Posted by frambles

I don't sell anything, I give away 6,000 digital products for free. Then I make money from advertising and account upgrades to remove limits!

Oh you clever fellow,
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  Thank you all so much for your informative, upbeat replies. Well done, all of you. Thanks to you, and so many in the forum, my plans are laid out and I've already started on building a following using my partner's Facebook.
  
  I doubt that there will ever be a time when the forum no longer matters to me, CDarklock, because I doubt that I will ever stop learning and sharing.
  
  IMO, the forum is a mutually beneficial journey from the first realization that something's peeking out from under a rock to heading for the stars.
  
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9 years ago

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zwebmedia 9 years ago

I sell health related products from Thailand, specifically thyroid support, Thyroid-S and Thiroyd, which has previously been incredibly popular on Amazon and eBay. I have learned a lot from this forum, and some of the products here, and I have launched my own multi-level affiliate program.

Yes, there are a lot of members selling IM products, and truthfully, some of them have been critical to my success, so keep 'em coming please thanks!
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C G

9 years ago

I'm mostly in self help.

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Tara Garmon

9 years ago

Most of my money comes from niches other than IM.

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9 years ago

I'm in the graphics licensing game

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LaunchPurveyor

9 years ago

There's tons of people here making their living as an Amazon affliate, or Amazon FBA, or writing Kindle books, so definitely not just IM.

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David Bynon

9 years ago

I use free government databases to generate websites that make a killing with Adsense, Media.net and vertical advertisers in a trillion dollar market.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by David Bynon

I use free government databases to generate websites that make a killing with Adsense, Media.net and vertical advertisers in a trillion dollar market.

I use what I learn from people selling products to IMers to keep a sharp edge.

Hello David

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fantrom

9 years ago

I have several businesses that are not IM related.

But of course I also do IM to keep myself well diversified.

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DIABL0

9 years ago

90% plus of all the money I have generated has been outside of IM/MMO. Mainly I do CPA lead generation in which the offers are all pretty much mainstream target to the general public.

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TheGMa

9 years ago

Originally Posted by DIABL0

90% plus of all the money I have generated has been outside of IM/MMO. Mainly I do CPA lead generation in which the offers are all pretty much mainstream target to the general public.

How very interesting, DIABLO. If it weren't so late (been a lo-ong day) I'd be asking you questions you'd probably want to charge me for, even if I am just a poor wee widder lady. Blink, blink.

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Jack Gordon

9 years ago

Lots of people here sell "real" things to real people.

I have a few B2B services that have absolutely nothing to do with MMO.

For me, the opportunity in this place is to always be improving the way I use the web to market and deliver what I have to offer.

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9 years ago

I sell music production and graphics, using things that I have learned from forums such as these.

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EelKat

9 years ago

My income is from the follows:

Writing Fiction
- Bizarro
- Weird Tales
- Monster Porn
Writing non-fiction
- Help guides for writers
- Dungeon Master/Game Master/OSRIC splat books for RPG games
- RV Full timing/Boondocking/Homesteading/Homeless survival
- History of Gypsies (focus on interviews with one clan)
- Voodoo/Hoodoo/Gypsy magic arts and spell books
Art (painting, drawing, etc)
- The actual art offline at local galleries, shows, events
- Prints and print on demand products via Zazzle
Designing/building OOAK art cars
- A picture says a thousand words
- The above car in my daily driver and has 2.5million marbles glued to it
- The above motorhome is my house/where I live

nope. No IM in my products. Use IM to sell my products, but not selling IM products.

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shellerik

9 years ago

Clearly the three steps to getting mega rich online are:

1) Make some money in a niche outside the making money online niche
2) Use that success as credentials to enter the making money online niche
3) Profit

I'm making some steady money as an Amazon affiliate so perhaps it's time to start thinking about step 2. :-)

But seriously, I've found some very useful advice in this forum to help build my business and I've tried to share some good advice as well. This community is what we make it.

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Jen Eick

9 years ago

I'm so jealous of people who can still profit off Amazon. I live in one of the states where it's currently banned. I know they're not the only game in town...but still. They may not be the only game, but they've definitely got the biggest team

Originally Posted by shellerik

Clearly the three steps to getting mega rich online are:

1) Make some money in a niche outside the making money online niche
2) Use that success as credentials to enter the making money online niche
3) Profit

I'm making some steady money as an Amazon affiliate so perhaps it's time to start thinking about step 2. :-)

But seriously, I've found some very useful advice in this forum to help build my business and I've tried to share some good advice as well. This community is what we make it.

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Vendzilla

9 years ago

We're in our soft launch, but I'm actually not selling anything, we are taking donations for a super pac for Hillary Clinton using an affiliate network with a healthy payout.

The owners have some other things they want me to do in a couple months

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Everett and Carol

9 years ago

I strictly sell real products to people in the real world. Whenever a person is using an online element to their marketing, of course, there is a cross over. I sell reall products but I sell most of it online.

I have a problem with people who sell IM products that exclusively make their money by selling their products to other newbies. Many times it is the blind leading the blind.

Everett

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Jen Eick

9 years ago

"Getting published" niche and the insomnia niche, here. For the longest time I thought IM was about promoting IM products...then it dawned on me what a pyramid scheme that would be (and why others think IM in general is one). Do first - with proven success in another niche - then teach how you did it. That's the way it's supposed to go. That's why I LOL at newbies on here promoting MMO products. I used to be the same, until I realized what IM was really all about.