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9 years ago

OK, here we go again. This is asked a lot here. This is NOT a MLM forum. Most people here do not like MLM. You need to seek out MLM forums. This is a Internet Marketing Forum

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Rod Cortez

9 years ago

Originally Posted by agmccall

OK, here we go again. This is asked a lot here. This is NOT a MLM forum. Most people here do not like MLM. You need to seek out MLM forums. This is a Internet Marketing Forum

al

Completely inaccurate. I have no love for MLM, but to say that this is not an MLM forum is wrong. Yes, this is an internet marketing forum and guess what? Many of the mlm's in today's markets USE internet marketing to obtain leads, create sales funnels, and to close sales. They are very much intertwined.

Yes, there are some people who do not like MLM in this forum. But the one's that don't tend to be the most vocal. The one's that do like MLM get tired after a while of trying to defend some of the ignorant comments that get made about MLMs.

There are plenty of members here who have at least ONE income stream from a MLM company.

The fact that some loud and vocal people do NOT like MLM, does not mean that most people here do not like it, nor does it mean this is not a topic that should be brought up here.

I've been a member here for a long time and people have been discussing MLM / Networking marketing since I've been a member here. There are no rules against discussing it here and there are plenty of members here who have an income stream from MLM.

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talfighel

9 years ago

Originally Posted by agmccall

OK, here we go again. This is asked a lot here. This is NOT a MLM forum. Most people here do not like MLM. You need to seek out MLM forums. This is a Internet Marketing Forum

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Maybe it is time to have a section here for MLM?

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savidge4

9 years ago

Originally Posted by agmccall

OK, here we go again. This is asked a lot here. This is NOT a MLM forum. Most people here do not like MLM. You need to seek out MLM forums. This is a Internet Marketing Forum

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I do MLM and its 100% an online venture. I don't make phone calls, I don't meet people.. its INTERNET MARKETING. get over it already

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discrat

9 years ago

Hey James,
Welcome to Warrior Forum.

Just to be honest this Forum is geared more towards Internet Marketing than MLM. Of course you can apply IM to MLM. Some people do that.

I have been through the MLM runaround. For a number of years, actually.

There are plenty of Success stories. But also a huge amount of failures. Much like IM.

But I think IM offers a more realistic chance with some work to have Success.

Just my 2 cents

- Robert Andrew

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camohit

9 years ago

There are many companies doing business for more than a dozen years and running on MLM structure. They are successful and have paud millions of commission. I am part of them as well and I advertise for that only.

Some members here hate MLM and thats fine, its their opinion but what I dont like it is they assume themselve to be Mr Know-it-all and they rather than motivating others to excel in whatever field they are endeavoring, they heckeled them. That's no leadership where people will support you only if you work in their team so that they can benefit through your work.

Its the number one Internet Marketing forum on earth and MLM is also done on Internet. I personally believe the authorities should either bring into rules that MLM would not be discussed here OR take action against people who curse MLM and demotivate others because they themselves were a failure..Warrior Forum is a place where people learn from each other, they trust what people say here which makes it all the more responsibility for us to interact with the intention of helping people rather than filling a newbies mind with things that could stop them from achieving big in their field of choice. If people do not like MLM they should simply stop participatin in those threads, what's the point of spreading hatred? This never show their leadership skills and then who will work with them whether they have 1000 thanks or 10000 posts. People's character can be judged through their conversations..

People have the mindset of agreeing to people of higher status, to quote few..

One - Bill Gates says, "If I would be given a chance to start all over again, I would choose NETWORK MARKETING"

Two - Dnald Trump says, "If I lost everything and had to start again, I would find myself a great network marketing company and get to work"

Three - Robert Kiyosaki says, "If you really want to learn how to be rich, you must begin to know and understand the power found in networks. The Richest people in the world build Networks"

Now, these are just few but they are billionaires.

You will find many sceptics in any field, just ignore them and move on. World population is not so less that you have to Convince anyone to fill their pockets. Just go through your advertisements, you will find many gems who are looking for guidance which you will provide. Just find the people who are similar in mindset and your business plus Life would be easy.

Wish you luck!

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agmccall

9 years ago

Originally Posted by camohit

If people do not like MLM they should simply stop participatin in those threads, what's the point of spreading hatred?

How about an example of this Hatred.

I also noticed that people responded to my statements but no one responded to the posters question and listed some good MLM companies they could join. But, did have a few solicitations for email and pm to make sure they got in their downline.

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savidge4

9 years ago

Originally Posted by agmccall

I also noticed that people responded to my statements but no one responded to the posters question and listed some good MLM companies they could join. But, did have a few solicitations for email and pm to make sure they got in their downline.

I will bet with very very very few exceptions every one here doesn't know best.. they just know the one they are working with right now. There is no question Amsoil is good. Amway is good, if you were to ask me Dubli is good. BUT that is only half the answer.

When it gets into selling products, its not about the program but the fit of the person to the program. Using Durableoil as an example. The product works for him. he probably hangs out with an knows people that #1 would use the product, and #2 would have the interest in developing a business around the product.

Another recent thread was discussing Rodan + Fields, again looks to be a solid contender as a "good" MLM program. But, is cosmetics a fit for me? and the answer is not really. I have no interest. I have no knowledge. It simply is not a fit for me.

Success in MLM is part up line.. and part self motivation. I personally do not follow the same path as my up line does. they are hardcore hard and warm lead type of guys. they probably go to the mall and follow the 3 foot rule. BUT they are good at it. I cant say a word to them. - and I don't have to.

On the other hand I have systemized everything.. its all funnels and online oriented. I don't get on mandatory phone conferences and yack some one to sleep. Its just not me. Did my up line in my most recent MLM venture come down on me in the beginning? they sure did. Pushing with all of the who rah and all that... but once I was set up and MY own personal motivation and system started to take hold... they now cant say a word. - and they don't.

MLM as a whole is split right now. there is the old school families friends and neighbors crowd.. and the new breed of MLM'er that is Internet Marketing all the way. I personally do not know a single person in my down line, not a one of them. I have not talked to easily 95% of them on the phone. I am to busy developing a business to be bothered will all that non sense.

The split comes down to this in many ways. If I am to show my "numbers" the numbers I show is how much a business made selling product. If you ask anyone in my up line to show their "numbers", its based on how many sign-ups they have. If you are pitching a "Business Opportunity" which set of numbers would be more impressive?

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Steve B

9 years ago

Originally Posted by camohit

One - Bill Gates says, "If I would be given a chance to start all over again, I would choose NETWORK MARKETING"

Two - Dnald Trump says, "If I lost everything and had to start again, I would find myself a great network marketing company and get to work"

Three - Robert Kiyosaki says, "If you really want to learn how to be rich, you must begin to know and understand the power found in networks. The Richest people in the world build Networks"

Now, these are just few but they are billionaires.

Camohit,

Just to be fair and not misleading . . .

How many of these famous men made their fortune in MLM?

None of them.

There is a big difference between building "networks" and marketing within these networks and the typical MLM pyramid that the OP was referring to.

Steve

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jordorules

9 years ago

Originally Posted by camohit

One - Bill Gates says, "If I would be given a chance to start all over again, I would choose NETWORK MARKETING"

Two - Dnald Trump says, "If I lost everything and had to start again, I would find myself a great network marketing company and get to work"

Three - Robert Kiyosaki says, "If you really want to learn how to be rich, you must begin to know and understand the power found in networks. The Richest people in the world build Networks"

Never heard Gates say that ever.

Trump gets paid $1,000,000 a year to endorse ACN and who knows what kinds of other benefits for his own businesses. Not to mention this from a guy who inherited over $100,000,000 at 19 from his father (aka: Lucky Sperm Club - what Mark Cuban called him after being insulted by Trump)

Kiyosaki is not a trustworthy person. He switches what he's promoting almost every year. Real Estate then Futures now MLM? lol.

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camohit

9 years ago

agmccall, first I wasn't pointing to any person. If I had been I would take their name or quote them. You'r not alone, there are many who will support you in non-supprting MLM. The comments which I have read in the past few days here, it seems if you guys can you would eradicate the whole MLM industry but guess what, you can't.

My point is, there's nothing in this world which every person on earth would like and that's acceptable. We are humans and we are entitled to different opinions. But how does it matter in their lives if other people are earning through MLM business? What's all with this hatred? Wouldn't it be a nice place if people keep negativity to themselves? If people don't like MLM they should simply ignore those threads. Talking about negatives will attract further negativity in your Life.

So again, don't take anything personally. I am not the one who believes in fighting or arguing. In fact if you read properly my intention in earlier post also is to stop discussing about things you don't like and let others do the business what they want to do. I just want to create a surrounding of love, care and co-operation which is NOT happening here and THIS is the number one IM forum. Your success is not judged only by the amount of profit you make, there are other parameters too..Anyways..

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9 years ago

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camohit

9 years ago

Hi Steve, Ok they did not made their fortune doing MLM but if they are suggesting in fact supportin MLM so strongly it means they have the credibility. Robert Kiyosaki also says that he would do MLM not just because of money but because what the person becomes while working in this industry. The trainings like team support/handling, marketing etc is what he values.

Is every teacher who teaches business in colleges are a millionaire themselve? I dont think so, their expertise is in teaching and many of their students turned out to be a successful entrepreneur.

If you want lets see some real life examples..
Gery Carson, owner and founder of SFI, started with just one product in 1998, now after 17 years his company still paying millions to their affiliates. Before opening SFI he was a top performer in MLM industry in various companies. He is successful and Rich I believe...

Brian Rooney, owner of TrafficWave since 2000 and The Online Ad Network for past 7 years, he's successful.

Amway, Qnet and there are many other companies too. I dont remember the names of their owners but they all are successful and earn millions of dollars, so some of their affiliates.

I believe I will count my name their as well in sometime...but thats a different dream altogether.

This debate can go on and on and on because there are both supporters and haters but my point is theres no use of the debate. Theres no pressure on anyone to do MLM. When fellow marketers ask for guidance we provide, if we have knowledge, but we should not demoralise someone just because we personally do not like MLM. A newcomer is already so confused. He just collects info in the beginning, our job (if we want to help) should be to give the facts and let people decide on their own rather than pouring our emotions. Its just like listening to media. If they support a political party or get funds through one, they criticise the opponent and the gullible citizens trust them. They mis-utilise their power. So I see happening here. The veterans who should be giving sound advise are not helping in anyway by commenting and spreading negativity getting affected by their biasness. It simply is not done. That will not help world a better place to live in, or people are purely Selfish!

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Steve B

9 years ago

Originally Posted by camohit

A newcomer is already so confused. He just collects info in the beginning, our job (if we want to help) should be to give the facts and let people decide on their own rather than pouring our emotions.

Camohit,

Look at your posts. You are the one "pouring out emotions." You are not giving the facts. If you were, you'd talk about all the businesses that have gone belly-up because the model wasn't sustainable. You'd mention the FTC and all the complaints they receive about pyramid schemes.

The fact is, not one of the men you mentioned as MLM proponents (Gates, Trump, Kiyosaki) even hinted at "MLM" in the quotes you gave. They all talked about network marketing which includes many, many more things than multi-level marketing (pyramid structured business marketing companies). They are not the same thing.

You are being a cheerleader for MLM. The other side of the story needs to be told as well. Isn't that fair?

Steve

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Tsnyder

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Steve B

Camohit,

Look at your posts. You are the one "pouring out emotions." You are not giving the facts. If you were, you'd talk about all the businesses that have gone belly-up because the model wasn't sustainable. You'd mention the FTC and all the complaints they receive about pyramid schemes.

The fact is, not one of the men you mentioned as MLM proponents (Gates, Trump, Kiyosaki) even hinted at "MLM" in the quotes you gave. They all talked about network marketing which includes many, many more things than multi-level marketing (pyramid structured business marketing companies). They are not the same thing.

You are being a cheerleader for MLM. The other side of the story needs to be told as well. Isn't that fair?

Steve

The term network marketing grew out of MLM. In the more than three
decades I've been involved I've rarely seen network marketing refer to
anything other than MLM.

Your assertion that the MLM business model being unsustainable is simply
flat out untrue. You seem like one of the reasonable guys on this forum so I'm
going to chalk that up to ignorance of the subject. Yes, many companies that
offered an MLM compensation plan didn't survive but that's nothing unique to
MLM... many new startups in a variety of industries and professions don't
survive. In most cases their failure has very little to do with their business model.
Failure is most often the result of ineffective management or capitalization
problems. The MLM business model has certainly proven its sustainability over
the years.

FTC complaints... yes... they receive complaints... yes... they attack and shut down
Illegal pyramid schemes. No... legitimate MLM offerings are not pyramid schemes.
The FTC will gladly tell you that.

The plain fact is the MLM business model offers the most powerful wealth generating
opportunity for individuals... PERIOD. Nothing else even comes close.

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DubDubDubDot

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Tsnyder

The plain fact is the MLM business model offers the most powerful wealth generating
opportunity for individuals... PERIOD. Nothing else even comes close.

LOL. What a load of trash.

What's funny/sad is that you MLM people have to keep saying this stuff to keep your business model alive since the only thing that matters in MLM is newbie perception.

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savidge4

9 years ago

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

LOL. What a load of trash.

What's funny/sad is that you MLM people have to keep saying this stuff to keep your business model alive since the only thing that matters in MLM is newbie perception.

I am involved in MLM and I have to agree for the vast majority of those in Internet Marketing in general let alone "Network Marketing" ( MLM ) a DAY job is going to provide better overall results. Insult to injury is simply the facts. If you read this article: Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) Success Rates and Techniques

The bottom line in the above article for MLM 997 out of 1000 MLM participants will loose money.

Me personally... I think they are to busy selling the dream and not the product. I sell product I make money, its a pretty simple concept really. All MLM is for me is a product source with very low competition. Sure every one involved can sell it.. but if you start looking at how many do.. there are many cases when you cant count the number on your fingers. look at Rodan + Fields as an example. there are a few selling product on Amazon.. but after that WIDE OPEN. Now look at Amsoil... there are sellers online.

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DURABLEOILCOM

9 years ago

I have been working with an MLM company that has been in business since 1972 it produces one of the automotive worlds best premium products. If you can find a company that adds value and improves a customers life, that has been in business for over 20+ years and has a significant education and training system then you have found the right MLM company.

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TobiasThomsen 9 years ago

If we take MOBE for an example.

It is basically the same as if you were to promote an offer from MaxBounty, so i cannot see why he shouldn't be asking here. You get a link and you need people to buy something through that link.
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webmonopoly

9 years ago

My cousin is into MLM, ever since she started all i see her doing is running in circles, tooting her horn about the company and trying to get family and friends to buy products and sign up to the MLM program. She's with a company called USANA.

There's something about the whole MLM thing that I quite dislike but I cant really put a finger on it. From what I understand I don't think she has really made any money yet, I have definitely been more successful in IM than she has in MLM.

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simonmks

9 years ago

yeah, I guess it's better to make money that you dedicate yourself to the IM instead of MLM.
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jordorules

9 years ago

I'd love to see Trump literally start from nothing and work an mlm to success. Completely laughable for him to even imply he could. Anyone can have a good start with $100,000,000 USD in prime NY real estate and other companies. Talk his cheap Don. I love how he tries to include himself in the self made group like Cuban, Gates, and Buffet. Careful what you hear from some of these billionaires they aren't coming from the same point of view as you are. J

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tiffanymika

9 years ago

Hey James...

Everyone has different experiences with MLM's. Some fantastic and some not so good.

Alot of successful network marketers that I have followed have built their businesses online and have done quite well.

You have to find a company that resonates with you... as you want to be passionate about the company you are partnering with.

Discover that first... then work on ways that you can build it both online and offline. These days you really have to create an online presence.

If you need any help.. send me a message.

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