Do you have an email list?

by splitb
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What's your biggest struggle?

- Writing emails that convert
- No time to split test
- Don't understand how to make money with email
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
    Yes I do have one

    No struggles

    What's your point?
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  • Profile picture of the author winnermarketing
    No time to split test.
    This system need discipline and sometimes happened you are inattentive
    and you don t have much time
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  • Profile picture of the author splitb
    Hey Jeff, I'm glad you have no struggles. Maybe you could give some advice on people that are looking to write emails that convert.

    My point is trying to start a relevant conversation around what people are struggling with so I can answer questions about either of those issues.

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
      Originally Posted by splitb View Post

      Hey Jeff, I'm glad you have no struggles. Maybe you could give some advice on people that are looking to write emails that convert.

      My point is trying to start a relevant conversation around what people are struggling with so I can answer questions about either of those issues.

      Thanks!
      You're not very clear about that in your post
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  • Profile picture of the author splitb
    Hey winner...I find that most people who struggle with the time for split testing generally don't have a content calendar.

    Have you thought about creating a calendar of emails for the month and giving yourself a one day lead time before you have to send the email to your list. This would give you an extra day to split test subject line, etc.

    Hope that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author Time2Shine
    For me the toughest part about marketing on solo ads and safelist sites is coming out with effective sales copy. My advice is to play around with different titles to GRAB the readers attention.. And then you need a good email that will keep them focused on you and not clicking away. Try copying some or all of other emails that make YOU want to click and read..try and identify what grabbed you and kept you there and try and do the same. My 2 cents at least
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  • Profile picture of the author Ripster
    No, I do not have an email list. I used too. But for small internet marketers, you should not. Only big times ones make a profit from them.
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    • Profile picture of the author The IM Institute
      Originally Posted by Ripster View Post

      No, I do not have an email list. I used too. But for small internet marketers, you should not. Only big times ones make a profit from them.
      Why didn't you keep building it?

      You get a big list by first having a small one. That's true even for the 'big timers'
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    • Profile picture of the author yragcom1
      Originally Posted by Ripster View Post

      No, I do not have an email list. I used too. But for small internet marketers, you should not. Only big times ones make a profit from them.
      Well, that's a pretty short sighted comment. I started making profit from my list when it was at about 200 names from sending out offers, sending out twice a day, and that was a time ago.
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    • Profile picture of the author writeaway
      Originally Posted by Ripster View Post

      No, I do not have an email list. I used too. But for small internet marketers, you should not. Only big times ones make a profit from them.
      It all boils down to how you build your list and how targeted your traffic is.

      People can make a profit even with a tiny list.

      Put it this way, a tiny list of BUYERS is worth much more than a MASSIVE LIST of looky lous.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnbert
    Have you tried E-mail Marketing before?
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  • Profile picture of the author quadagon
    Originally Posted by splitb View Post

    What's your biggest struggle?

    - Writing emails that convert
    - No time to split test
    - Don't understand how to make money with email
    Oh goodie another newbie with a post asking people what they are struggling with.

    I wonder where this heading.

    But in the interest of fairness a couple of questions:

    Who the **** are you?
    What have you done?
    What makes you think you can help me?
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    • Profile picture of the author splitb
      haha....that's funny.

      Nope, not a newbie.. Just because I have a new account doesn't mean I'm new. In fact, did quite well on the old Warrior Forum back in the day.

      Currently, I manage a list of 200,000 doing about $700k per year in EMAIL only. We sell physical products, etc.


      Originally Posted by quadagon View Post

      Oh goodie another newbie with a post asking people what they are struggling with.

      I wonder where this heading.

      But in the interest of fairness a couple of questions:

      Who the **** are you?
      What have you done?
      What makes you think you can help me?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    I've have a list and have been mailing almost daily since 2011ish.

    The best advice I can give you, is to treat your subscribers right, so you can find out what they want and ultimately help them as best you can.

    Don't invent demand, instead know your end user demographic so you can help them.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      No, I don't have an email list. I have multiple lists, even within the same niche or site.

      Beyond that, I think I'll demur from feeding another "go to a popular forum and ask people what they're struggling with" product research effort.

      Originally Posted by Ripster View Post

      No, I do not have an email list. I used too. But for small internet marketers, you should not. Only big times ones make a profit from them.
      Sorry to be blunt, but this is utter nonsense. If anything, building targeted lists of qualified readers is even more important for small Internet marketers, particularly those who can't (or won't) budget for paid advertising. The key is to build the right list(s), not just accumulate email addresses you can mail-bomb with every crap offer that comes along.
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      • Profile picture of the author splitb
        John,

        Interesting observation...

        I appreciate the wisdom you just shared. That's the point of this discussion to get older marketers and newer marketers to begin dialoging about what REALLY works, not just $5 tactics they picked up from another WSO.

        To highlight what you said to some of our newer marketeres:

        1. Multiple lists, within niches (good usage of segmentation)

        2. Be specific with who you target

        3. Don't just BOMB people because they're on your list.


        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        No, I don't have an email list. I have multiple lists, even within the same niche or site.

        Beyond that, I think I'll demur from feeding another "go to a popular forum and ask people what they're struggling with" product research effort.



        Sorry to be blunt, but this is utter nonsense. If anything, building targeted lists of qualified readers is even more important for small Internet marketers, particularly those who can't (or won't) budget for paid advertising. The key is to build the right list(s), not just accumulate email addresses you can mail-bomb with every crap offer that comes along.
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  • Profile picture of the author yragcom1
    Originally Posted by splitb View Post

    What's your biggest struggle?

    - Writing emails that convert
    - No time to split test
    - Don't understand how to make money with email
    Back to the original question before the flames started shooting around...

    1. Writing emails that convert: GMail is your friend, and here's why. I sign up for a lot of lists, big and small. Each one has something you can learn from. Frequency, headline writing, body copy, etc. I segment each list I sign up for in GMail using their filters options, then, I read through each seperate sender in one sitting. I'm basically building my own ongoing swipe file. Then I pick and choose what I like or don't like about each one. You can get some great ideas/ insights into how the big boys market, as well as the up and comers who are worthy of your attention.

    2. Split testing: I don't split test emails as much as I should, but I ALWAYS split test opt-ins. That never gets old, and depending on what tracking system you use, it can be quite easy. I use Clickmagick to handle that, as well as other things. Well worth the price.

    3. Don't understand how to make money: I do OK, mainly because of the two things I mentioned above. When I saw how frequently some of the top dogs send, I realized that my one email a day wasn't a drop in the bucket. I read somewhere that John Cornetta sends 5-6 emails a day to his list of about 500K (it's probably bigger, I'm just estimating by his convesations shared).
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    • Profile picture of the author splitb
      Love the idea of building a swip copy using a separate gmail account.

      Of course, its all in who you follow too.

      I'd recommend adding several types of marketers to give you a well-rounded copy outlook.

      Originally Posted by yragcom1 View Post

      Back to the original question before the flames started shooting around...

      1. Writing emails that convert: GMail is your friend, and here's why. I sign up for a lot of lists, big and small. Each one has something you can learn from. Frequency, headline writing, body copy, etc. I segment each list I sign up for in GMail using their filters options, then, I read through each seperate sender in one sitting. I'm basically building my own ongoing swipe file. Then I pick and choose what I like or don't like about each one. You can get some great ideas/ insights into how the big boys market, as well as the up and comers who are worthy of your attention.

      2. Split testing: I don't split test emails as much as I should, but I ALWAYS split test opt-ins. That never gets old, and depending on what tracking system you use, it can be quite easy. I use Clickmagick to handle that, as well as other things. Well worth the price.

      3. Don't understand how to make money: I do OK, mainly because of the two things I mentioned above. When I saw how frequently some of the top dogs send, I realized that my one email a day wasn't a drop in the bucket. I read somewhere that John Cornetta sends 3 emails a day to his list of about 500K (it's probably bigger, I'm just estimating by his convesations shared).
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Trujillo
    Originally Posted by splitb View Post

    What's your biggest struggle?

    - Writing emails that convert
    - No time to split test
    - Don't understand how to make money with email
    Having an email list is crucial to having success online. If you don't learn how to do email marketing right it's time you learned. You can spend a lot of time effort and money on concepts that don't work anymore. Without an email list you have no real business , no repeat customers, no traffic source. The key to email marketing is doing it right, learning about your particular niche and providing solutions to your audience. It's simple once you understand the process. Try not to overcomplicate anything. Always remember to only email people who opted into your list.
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    • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
      Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo View Post

      Having an email list is crucial to having success online. Without an email list you have no real business , no repeat customers, no traffic source.
      What a crock of sh*t. What planet are you on? All you're doing is disillusioning vulnerable newbies on here and feeding them total crap (like many others) by saying that an email *list* is all important. IT'S NOT!

      Let me tell you something. If you have a blog or website and the content is interesting, important, or compelling enough then visitors will come - and they'll return time and time again. I can get millions in traffic EVERY MONTH from high profile, mega traffic blogs. Why? Because my content is always unique and newsworthy.

      To say that without an email list you have "no real business , no repeat customers, no traffic source" is pure stupidity and a clear sign that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Yet another "blind leading the blind" comment.
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      • Profile picture of the author splitb
        haha...I like how you went from negative to positive...

        Seriously though, you have a good point.

        There's many businesses that don't "need" an email list. Sometimes we can make generalizations that don't apply across the board. Maybe as an affiliate marketer or an IMer, but many businesses make millions/billions of dollars without an "email" list.

        Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

        What a crock of sh*t. What planet are you on? All you're doing is disillusioning vulnerable newbies on here and feeding them total crap (like many others) by saying that an email *list* is all important. IT'S NOT!

        Let me tell you something. If you have a blog or website and the content is interesting, important, or compelling enough then visitors will come - and they'll return time and time again. I can get millions in traffic EVERY MONTH from high profile, mega traffic blogs. Why? Because my content is always unique and newsworthy.

        To say that without an email list you have "no real business , no repeat customers, no traffic source" is pure stupidity and a clear sign that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Yet another "blind leading the blind" comment.
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      • Profile picture of the author Matthew Trujillo
        Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

        What a crock of sh*t. What planet are you on? All you're doing is disillusioning vulnerable newbies on here and feeding them total crap (like many others) by saying that an email *list* is all important. IT'S NOT!

        Let me tell you something. If you have a blog or website and the content is interesting, important, or compelling enough then visitors will come - and they'll return time and time again. I can get millions in traffic EVERY MONTH from high profile, mega traffic blogs. Why? Because my content is always unique and newsworthy.

        To say that without an email list you have "no real business , no repeat customers, no traffic source" is pure stupidity and a clear sign that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Yet another "blind leading the blind" comment.
        To say you can survive off of blog traffic alone and no email list proves to me you don't know what you are talking about and that you lack any real experience in IM. Sure grow your blog out and wait years to climb up the search engines hopefully by then you have an audience and have gained some authority and hopefully some sales too. Then one day watch your site get deindexed due to some algorithm change then what ? To rely entirely on a blog and no email list is amateur to say the least and the only reason to be blogging in the first place to build your list. Blogging with no email list is almost as noob as sending traffic to a sales page without first capturing the email.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greaney
    I believe that in present day 2015, you need to have some type of reach whether it is an email subscribers list or something of that nature.

    Unless you have a solid grasp of SEO, how else are you able to control who and how to present your offers in front of hungry buyers?
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  • Profile picture of the author namehero
    Originally Posted by splitb View Post

    What's your biggest struggle?

    - Writing emails that convert
    - No time to split test
    - Don't understand how to make money with email
    I would bet you're over complicating it. Don't just pitch in your emails. Tell a story to the end user and focus on entertaining them. Add value and don't be spammy or scammy.

    Email lists are super easy to convert because you can manipulate (or persuade) over a period of time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maximus Flix
    My number one struggle is getting past the plateau of 3.5% CTS conversion. I am having great success with videos preselling affiliate vendors but I feel that my copy lacks finesse.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    Only 10 more posts and then you can post your solution in your sig file...



    But I will entertain the OP and share my biggest struggle...

    Which is how to scale from 8-10K leads a day to 16-20K leads per day without putting people out of business on the back end.

    Can you help me with that?
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    • Profile picture of the author splitb
      Not a bad thought Jason...but my solution probably isn't a fit for WF.

      I'm genuinely interested in the forum. I started out on here years ago and developed my first "info" business using email marketing. It seems to have changed quite a bit since Allen sold it...sad.

      What do you mean by "putting people out of business on the backend"?


      Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

      Only 10 more posts and then you can post your solution in your sig file...



      But I will entertain the OP and share my biggest struggle...

      Which is how to scale from 8-10K leads a day to 16-20K leads per day without putting people out of business on the back end.

      Can you help me with that?
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      • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
        Originally Posted by splitb View Post

        Not a bad thought Jason...but my solution probably isn't a fit for WF.

        What do you mean by "putting people out of business on the backend"?
        If you were qualified to help me, you would know what that means...
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny Friesen
    LOL quadagon!

    I do agree that as an IMer one of the main reasons to have a blog is to get leads. Over time you will get organic traffic to your blog for sure, and if your content is quality you will have people coming back.

    But a lot of people in the "make money" niche seem to suffer from ADHD. If you don't have an email list, then you can't follow up with your leads... and if you can't do that, the vast majority of people are going to forget about you.

    An email list is an asset, period. A blog is an asset too, and they're both necessary in an online business. The best part about blogging is a blog post/page can bring you traffic, leads and sales for years to come, unlike an email broadcast.

    But an email list is a way for you to reach out to those same people over and over again to build a relationship and (hopefully) trust over time.

    The biggest thing that I try to keep in mind when emailing my list is that they're real people on the receiving end... real people who may or may not be struggling... but they are looking for answers and solutions. I try to provide the type of content that I wish I had received when I was just getting started years ago.
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    • Profile picture of the author yragcom1
      Originally Posted by Johnny Friesen View Post

      ... If you don't have an email list, then you can't follow up with your leads... and if you can't do that, the vast majority of people are going to forget about you.

      An email list is an asset, period. A blog is an asset too, and they're both necessary in an online business. The best part about blogging is a blog post/page can bring you traffic, leads and sales for years to come, unlike an email broadcast.

      But an email list is a way for you to reach out to those same people over and over again to build a relationship and (hopefully) trust over time.
      Exactly. And regardless of what some people on this thread might spout, if you're not collecting leads, you're an idiot. Why spend all the time and trouble of making contact, just to have them go away forever if they don't want your stuff? That's lame. Get them to where you want them. Give them something that they want, get them on a list. SEO people are going to cry at the next ago change Google does, and every form of traffic has it's limitations because you have to depend on a site or a service to drive traffic. But email doesn't have those limitations. I can drop my entire list into a flash drive, and be in business again in 24 hours, unlike a website that crashes or gets DDOS'sd, or a PPC campaign that gets cut, or a site that's been slapped. If you get good enough at it, you can just keep getting customers into your system expodentially through techniques and methods specific to email marketing. And no one company owns email. THAT'S why you should consider building your list above everything else.
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  • Profile picture of the author rosario1990
    What's your targeted sites for email list?
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I don't have a struggle anymore with email marketing. The 1struggle was taking the time out to write followup emails. I always had in my mind that "it takes an average of 7 contacts to make a sale". So i would write 7 emails, and that's it. It didn't occur to me at the time that if i had 100 emails in the followup series that i would 3x times as much money... as opposed to the 7 contact emails route.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Moore
    Yeah pretty much only concentrate on building my different lists for my different sites. Everything works well except for the split-testing. having problems finding the time to do it properly
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  • Profile picture of the author blitz20
    I have 500k+ and email to them daily.
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