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11 years ago

Not sure I'd be taking creative or technical advice from Steve Jobs. He was just a puppet of Apple's marketing machine. A great CEO, but he wasn't really involved in product development.

The Apple with Steve Jobs the creative genius is more sexy than Steve Jobs the CEO sitting at his desk all day doing typical CEO things.

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BigFrank

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

Not sure I'd be taking creative or technical advice from Steve Jobs. He was just a puppet of Apple's marketing machine. A great CEO, but he wasn't really involved in product development.

That is wrong on so many levels. Steve Jobs literally gave birth to the original Macintosh from the design standpoint using many of the things he saw at Xerox PARC.

The Apple with Steve Jobs the creative genius is more sexy than Steve Jobs the CEO sitting at his desk all day doing typical CEO things.

The man didn't even have a desk and as far as typical CEO duties, he was the first to admit that was not his strong suit.

You're just making this stuff up, because there are no facts, at all, being presented. Please do some reading before you set out to besmirch one of the greatest minds in American technology who is the creator and visionary of the most successful company in the history of the world. Your comments are ludicrous and smack of Apple envy. Nothing more.

Cheers. - Frank

P.S. And, FYI - Steve Jobs WAS Apple's marketing machine. lol

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DubDubDubDot 11 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

You're just making this stuff up, because there are no facts, at all, being presented.

FACT: The name Steve Jobs is not on any of Apple's patents.

He invented absolutely nothing on the technical or design end.

Argue with that.
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- BigFrank Banned 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot
  
  Argue with that.
  
  He created the company. Argue with that. lol
  
  Cheers. - Frank
  
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  DubDubDubDot 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by BigFrank
  
  He created the company. Argue with that. lol
  
  .... with two other people. One was a meaningless "mentor" who quickly left and the other guy, Steve Wozniak, did literally 100% of the product development work. Wozniak built the Apple 1 without the help of anyone.
  
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The Niche Man

11 years ago

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

Not sure I'd be taking creative or technical advice from Steve Jobs. He was just a puppet of Apple's marketing machine. A great CEO, but he wasn't really involved in product development.

The Apple with Steve Jobs the creative genius is more sexy than Steve Jobs the CEO sitting at his desk all day doing typical CEO things.

Wow! That's a major scoop. He had "NO" involvement in product development? Could you direct me to your source? Or is that just your opinion? You do realize coming on a forum like this and making your comments without revealing a credible source sounds strange at best. It's like me saying Michael Jordan had nothing to do with his team winning 6 championships on a basketball forum.
Be prepared to get shaking heads, eye-rolls or just ignored as lame.

Originally Posted by Sirr

. Infact, I rely on cannabis to get certain things done.
It's also great you mentioned Steve Jobs. He'd taken LSD, and smoked cannabis, for long enough to realise the powerful effects those "drugs" have on your mind. Maybe the true path to creativity is through the consumption of hallucinogens.

Ah actually, you'd do better by taking up meditation.

If you fact-check a little closer you'll discover he did drugs back in the 70's (Article).

But he didn't get his major legendary break-throughs until he started meditating (Article).

Note: The fact you said you rely on it is kinda troubling. Hope you at least explore other options. Works for me.

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DubDubDubDot

11 years ago

Originally Posted by The Niche Man

He had "NO" involvement in product development?

His role was to review prototypes and decide which direction to go. I won't discount his ability to look at a series of possibilities put down in front of him and predict which one would be successful. He is obviously legendary in that regard. But the fact remains that he invented none of it.

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fantrom

11 years ago

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

His role was to review prototypes and decide which direction to go. I won't discount his ability to look at a series of possibilities put down in front of him and predict which one would be successful. He is obviously legendary in that regard. But the fact remains that he invented none of it.

Steven Paul "Steve" Jobs (February 24, 1955 – October 5, 2011) was an American pioneer of the personal computer revolution of the 1970s (along with engineer, inventor, and Apple Computer co-founder, Steve Wozniak). By the time of his death in 2011, he was considered the entrepreneur, marketer, and inventor, who "revolutionized six industries: personal computers, animated movies, music, phones, tablet computing, and digital publishing."

So your saying these are lies and he's a scrub? He's no inventor, visionary or pioneer?

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11 years ago

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BigFrank

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by AntonioSeegars1

I second this. If Steve Wozniak had better people skills, it's possible that he could of been the main guy at Apple, especially since it was his technical genius that got the company started in the first place.

True - and if you flap your arms long and hard enough, maybe you could fly to the moon.

"if." lol

Cheers. - Frank

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DubDubDubDot

11 years ago

Originally Posted by I Love Ganesha

"Creativity is just connecting things..."

Of course, this is probably what he was talking about.....
Braun vs Apple. It's obvious where Apple got their ideas.

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nmwf

11 years ago

Originally Posted by I Love Ganesha

"Creativity is just connecting things..."

While I love conversations about creativity, the minute I hear or read a phrase that attempts to minimize its immensity, I get a little turned off.

Creativity can never be "just" anything. It's too big, it's too complicated, and it's too wild for a tiny, four-letter word.

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Sirr

11 years ago

I can be truly creative (whether it's music, writing, design or programming) after I've smoked cannabis. Infact, I rely on cannabis to get certain things done. If I have a heavy workload I will smoke, and the heavy work load becomes enjoyable. If I want to feel creative, I smoke, and it always works.

It's also great you mentioned Steve Jobs. He'd taken LSD, and smoked cannabis, for long enough to realise the powerful effects those "drugs" have on your mind. Maybe the true path to creativity is through the consumption of hallucinogens.

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nmwf 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sirr

If I want to feel creative, I smoke, and it always works.

Repeat:

If I want to feel creative, I smoke, and it always works.
If I want to feel creative, I smoke, and it always works.
If I want to feel creative, I smoke, and it always works.
If I want to feel creative, I smoke, and it always works.
If I want to feel creative, I smoke, and it always works.
If I want to feel creative, I smoke, and it always works.
If I want to feel creative, I smoke, and it always works.
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nmwf 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sirr

Maybe the true path to creativity is through the consumption of hallucinogens.

One path. There are many, and they're different for everyone. For me, music works too.
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BigFrank Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sirr

Maybe the true path to creativity is through the consumption of hallucinogens.

It has always worked for me. :-)

Cheers. - Frank
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- Steve B 11 years ago
  
  I'm always telling entrepreneurs to be a little creative and come up with things in their business that are unique, better than what's currently available, and something that has never been done in the niche.
  
  I'm all for creativity . . . however . . .
  
  To a majority of business people, the call to be creative can be a terrible stumbling block and an obstacle in their business path.
  
  They get it in their heads that the core business activity or idea must be creative and innovative or their business can't be successful as they are merely duplicating what's already in the market place. They see their new business as competing for a slice of the same pie in the niche which ultimately leads to more competition and a smaller profit potential for all the players.
  
  But I'm here to tell you that you don't have to have a "break through" idea or a totally disruptive innovation to take market share from the leaders in the niche.
  
  Sometimes, and I'm guessing actually most often, introducing a small bit of creativity into your selling system, your product, even your marketing can have a big impact on your bottom line. If your creativity gives added value, automates a time intensive chore, or even shows a better way to accomplish a task, you will benefit from being slightly different than the competition. And the more you can be creative, the more separation from others you can expect.
  
  Creativity doesn't have to be something huge and startling. It just has to affect the customer or prospect in a positive way.
  
  Little flashes of creativity in your business can pay big dividends.
  
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QTeeKitty

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sirr

I can be truly creative (whether it's music, writing, design or programming) after I've smoked cannabis. Infact, I rely on cannabis to get certain things done. If I have a heavy workload I will smoke, and the heavy work load becomes enjoyable. If I want to feel creative, I smoke, and it always works.

It's also great you mentioned Steve Jobs. He'd taken LSD, and smoked cannabis, for long enough to realise the powerful effects those "drugs" have on your mind. Maybe the true path to creativity is through the consumption of hallucinogens.

Reminds me of a documentary on Netflix called "DMT The spirit molecule"
(I think I got the title right) lol

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jackcolton 11 years ago

Originally Posted by QTeeKitty

Reminds me of a documentary on Netflix called "DMT The spirit molecule"
(I think I got the title right) lol

Not to get off topic, but I've been to the Amazon jungle and spent a week there on Ayahuasca. To say it opens your mind would be.........an understatement.
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winnermarketing

11 years ago

Ok, I let you a little trick:

want to be creative for a while?
step your right nostril and breath only with the left nostril for some minutes.
The repeat if you need..... it could works

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dog8food

11 years ago

Originally Posted by winnermarketing

Ok, I let you a little trick:

want to be creative for a while?
step your right nostril and breath only with the left nostril for some minutes.
The repeat if you need..... it could works

Lol. I'm going to remember this one

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aspiringaffiliate

11 years ago

Creativity can be a very good thing.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Read between the lines...

The genius isn't creative Apple products, the genius is how Apple created lifelong buyers for basically the same products, over and over and over...

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Patrick Brown

Banned 11 years ago

My 2 cents.

Creativity is for me a very complicated thing, if you may allow me to call it that.

He just takes a pencil and starts from nowhere on the white piece of paper and in a few minutes he has created something to look and marvel at.

Or, he just takes a piece of paper and pen and writes you a story that will blow your mind. Or even a poem with sense and rhyme.

Creativity is complicated. Creativity to me is more like a talent that has to be nurtured with practice.

You can NEVER say creativity is just about connecting 'things'. To the term, to the creative people and to those who appreciate creative artistic works, that would be an insult.

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JohnGravelle

11 years ago

Originally Posted by I Love Ganesha

If you want to know the truth about creativity, just listen to Steve Job's advice on how to be creative: "Creativity is just connecting things..."

That's also how you innovate. Observe the things around you and come up with interesting ways to connect those things.

I hope this helps you on whatever journey you are!

Have a great day friends.

Amen to that brother, Amen to that

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Bradtastic 11 years ago

I think "connecting things" is a good place to start in business creativity. Not always in artistic endeavors, though.

In writing fiction, an exercise I learned early on was to look around the room, pick three items, and write a story involving all of them. However, that's just to get you moving while you practice skills like point of view, dialogue, etc.

Eventually you have to stop connecting things (at least consciously) and move from a realm of input and consideration, to output and flow. That's the end goal - just doing your art. Connecting things can provide a useful building block, but it's a means, not an end.
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writeaway

11 years ago

It's also about being AWARE

Invest in your personal consciousness by practicing practical daily MINDFULNESS

Never underestimate the power of a CLEAR MIND

I write books on this and I practice this.

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Brent Tracey

11 years ago

I find this to be helpful BECAUSE creativity is such a complex thing. The quote from Steve Jobs just makes it a lot easier to use creativity practically in business and other areas!

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PaulHadfield

11 years ago

Nice, we really need more messages like these on the forum..

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Tom Addams

11 years ago

Originally Posted by I Love Ganesha

If you want to know the truth about creativity, just listen to Steve Job's advice on how to be creative: "Creativity is just connecting things..."

That's also how you innovate. Observe the things around you and come up with interesting ways to connect those things.

I hope this helps you on whatever journey you are!

Have a great day friends.

I agree somewhat. But "connecting things" is what we do to force an idea.

Take storytelling, for instance. If you espouse the Michael Hauge school of screenwriting then you can force an idea by asking the simple "What would happen if . . ?" question.

What would happen if an amateur boxer was given a shot at being the heavy weight champion of the world? Rocky.

What would happen if a kid was being bullied in school and received Karate training from an expert? The Karate Kid.

What would happen if a boy encountered an alien from another planet in his own home and made friends? E.T: The Extraterrestrial.

And throughout the storytelling process, these "What would happen if . . ?" questions are continued to be asked.

Writers, throughout the course of a novel or screenplay, must continue to ask, "What would this character do now?" Not, what would I do, but what would the character do? In other words: making connections.

Like I say, though - "forcing" creativity. Pure creativity is a different matter. It can never be explained. It just comes.

Stephen King, for instance, is so tired of the question, "Where do your ideas come from?" that when he was younger, and less tolerant I suppose, he would give a different answer each time. My favourite went something like this (I'm paraphrasing): "I buy them from 483 Main Street in downtime Bangor, Maine."

The truth is, you can't turn on the magic. It just happens all on its own. And the biggest fear of every creative person? Someday it stops.

Tom

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Model

11 years ago

Creativity comes natural, it isn't forced.

Relax, clear your mind.. it will come when it's ready

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DubDubDubDot

11 years ago

Good timing for the thread with the new controversial trailer out.....

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FreedomBlogger

11 years ago

Steve Jobs! ... one of my heroes! hehe

Yeah... he said it right!

Creativity is all about looking from outside the box and from the inside of the box. Basically, look at things from every angle, side, part, possible!

Expand your mind as much as possible. Stretch your imagination. Exercise it. Just like a muscle. Make your imagination stronger and stronger with daily exercises.

Break things down in as many pieces as possible - then study each tiny piece, and connect them with other tiny or big pieces. Just let your mind run, like the water falling in a waterfall! ... think about each droplet, but never forget everything is connected!

Get inspired!

Thanks for sparking up this topic!

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