John Chow's blog

11 years ago

He can build a new list on people interested in the make money niche.

But sure, he is making money from his MOBE business.

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11 years ago

I must be out of the loop, what is MOBE? Guess i have not been to his blog in a long time.

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11 years ago

Online world is dynamic. So, if you won't update yourself with something new, you can't survive.

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Ihatemyboss

11 years ago

With his million lists, I bet his getting more money promoting MOBE than his blog alone. In fact, he is the top earner of MOBE.

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SchoolofKA

11 years ago

It's interesting. It's not just John Chow. Darren Rowse and Matthew Woodward, for example, saw a huge drop in traffic ever since the latest Google algorithm change in April.

For example:

John Chow

Before algorithm change: 500,000/month

After algorithm change: 200,000/month

Darren Rowse

Before algorithm change: 2.4 million/month

After algorithm change: 1 million/month

Matthew Woodward

Before algorithm change: 1.6 million/month

After algorithm change: 600,000/month

Here is something else that's interesting. Just searched for "how to make money online" and what two sites are listed on the first page?: ABCnews and USnews.

Also, searched for "internet marketing." Sites listed on the first page? Forbes is listed three times and entrepreneur.com twice.

It's becoming increasingly more and more difficult to rank against larger authority sites even if they aren't necessarily an authority in the field, such is the case with ABCnews and USnews.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by SchoolofKA

It's interesting. It's not just John Chow. Darren Rowse and Matthew Woodward, for example, saw a huge drop in traffic ever since the latest Google algorithm change in April.

For example:

John Chow

Before algorithm change: 500,000/month

After algorithm change: 200,000/month

Darren Rowse

Before algorithm change: 2.4 million/month

After algorithm change: 1 million/month

Matthew Woodward

Before algorithm change: 1.6 million/month

After algorithm change: 600,000/month

Here is something else that's interesting. Just searched for "how to make money online" and what two sites are listed on the first page?: ABCnews and USnews.

Also, searched for "internet marketing." Sites listed on the first page? Forbes is listed three times and entrepreneur.com twice.

It's becoming increasingly more and more difficult to rank against larger authority sites even if they aren't necessarily an authority in the field, such is the case with ABCnews and USnews.

Some people might say, seems G doesn't want to link to MMO sites. Or send them traffic

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Zodiax 11 years ago

John chow is now on page 3 for "how to make money online".

I would like to see how he recovers from this.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by AntonioSeegars1

I don't think that Google has a problem with MMO sites in general. I think that they have a problem with MMO sites that focus on directly selling people things, or getting them to sign up to a list so that they can be bombarded with sales letters.

Could very well be. But those should be more "trusted" sites. You'd think they would be authorities. Least chance of slap. Kind of dismisses the idea that content is king, queen and "all that".

On a side note, even though their traffic might have dropped, doesn't mean they still don't have a strong core fan following. That pays more than the bills. I am sure they are not hurting.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by AntonioSeegars1

I don't think that Google has a problem with MMO sites in general. I think that they have a problem with MMO sites that focus on directly selling people things, or getting them to sign up to a list so that they can be bombarded with sales letters.

I don't think they penalize MMO sites at all. I have an Internet Marketing blog which mostly focuses on reviewing digital products and programs, and it has been steadily gaining traffic and moving up in the search rankings little by little every month since I started it.

I have no idea why they would decide to penalize authority sites like Problogger and John Chow, other than the fact that there were other sites that they felt should rank above them because they would provide a better user experience.

I can't think of too many MMO sites that have better content than Problogger and John Chow, though.

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Zodiax 11 years ago

Did you build any backlinks to your blog?
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by nicheblogger75

I have no idea why they would decide to penalize authority sites like Problogger and John Chow, other than the fact that there were other sites that they felt should rank above them because they would provide a better user experience.

Google doesn't necessarily care to rank sites because they provide a better user experience, they rank sites according to whatever makes them the most money. That is why you see sites like ABCnews, USnews, Forbes, and Entrepreneur in the main results. They are going to make Google more money than John Chow, Darren Rowse, etc.

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This is only temporary because if Google starts to deliver non- relevant results they will go the way of the Roman empire.
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Originally Posted by SchoolofKA

Here is something else that's interesting. Just searched for "how to make money online" and what two sites are listed on the first page?: ABCnews and USnews.

No big deal, both those sites are at the bottom of the search page.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

No big deal, both those sites are at the bottom of the search page.

It doesn't matter if they are at the bottom of the page or not. The point is, they are non-authority sites in 'internet marketing' and they are on the first page.

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by SchoolofKA

It doesn't matter if they are at the bottom of the page or not. The point is, they are non-authority sites in 'internet marketing' and they are on the first page.

Nonsense.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Nonsense.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

What?

So what if they have articles about how to make money. ABCnews and USnews are NOT internet marketing authority sites. Everybody knows that. ABC andUS are authority NEWS sites.

Just like Redbull.com is NOT a VIDEO GAME authority site but they wrote an article about the new Bethesda game Fallout Shelter and ranked it on the first page of Google for a main keyword phrase.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by SchoolofKA

It's interesting. It's not just John Chow. Darren Rowse and Matthew Woodward, for example, saw a huge drop in traffic ever since the latest Google algorithm change in April.

For example:

John Chow

Before algorithm change: 500,000/month

After algorithm change: 200,000/month

Darren Rowse

Before algorithm change: 2.4 million/month

After algorithm change: 1 million/month

Matthew Woodward

Before algorithm change: 1.6 million/month

After algorithm change: 600,000/month

Better let them know about those stats! LOL. Specifically MW since he had a high month in march (due to referral traffic) and April turned out to be normal with no decline. However, the 1.6 million a month thing... he doesn't get that traffic in a year. Not sure where you're getting his stats.

Also makes me doubt the relevance of the other stats.

Losing 1 million uniques a month is impossible when you've only topped out at 65k uniques.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

Better let them know about those stats! LOL. Specifically MW since he had a high month in march (due to referral traffic) and April turned out to be normal with no decline. However, the 1.6 million a month thing... he doesn't get that traffic in a year. Not sure where you're getting his stats.

Also makes me doubt the relevance of the other stats.

Losing 1 million uniques a month is impossible when you've only topped out at 65k uniques.

I get the stats at Website Traffic & Mobile App Analytics | SimilarWeb.

Using my sites as reference, the numbers are very close.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by SchoolofKA

I get the stats at Website Traffic & Mobile App Analytics | SimilarWeb.

Using my sites as reference, the numbers are very close.

Well, that explains it. The numbers ARE NOT close at all. You can't use sites like that and expect some sort of actual relevance.

I put in one of my old sites that's been inactive for 4 years, but apparently is generating 160k visitors a month. Too bad analytics only shows 30.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

Well, that explains it. The numbers ARE NOT close at all. You can't use sites like that and expect some sort of actual relevance.

I put in one of my old sites that's been inactive for 4 years, but apparently is generating 160k visitors a month. Too bad analytics only shows 30.

Stop lying.

Your site is getting thousands of visitors a month.

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Originally Posted by SchoolofKA

What?

So what if they have articles about how to make money. ABCnews and USnews are NOT internet marketing authority sites. Everybody knows that. ABC andUS are authority NEWS sites.

Just like Redbull.com is NOT a VIDEO GAME authority site but they wrote an article about the new Bethesda game Fallout Shelter and ranked it on the first page of Google for a main keyword phrase.

Yes, they're authorities on internet, marketing & money.

I've already posted the thousands of relevant internal pages for both domains, combine that with authority link profiles & it's easy to rank pages.

You've got tunnel vision thinking a domain has to be 100% dedicated to a sub-niche (make money online) in order to rank pages. Clearly not what happens in the real world.

What makes it even more silly is your own example (money.usnews.com) is a sub-domain entirely dedicated to one of your own example keywords (money). What keywords do you expect them to rank for, armadillo, typewriter, marshmallow?

Originally Posted by SchoolofKA

Just like Redbull.com is NOT a VIDEO GAME authority site but they wrote an article about the new Bethesda game Fallout Shelter and ranked it on the first page of Google for a main keyword phrase.

Is this your first day on the internet?

Redbull has always been tight with video games & extreme sports. Their demographics is young people. Buy a TV, turn it on, watch a Redbull commercial.

"game" site:redbull.com

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Yes, they're authorities on internet, marketing & money.
You've got tunnel vision thinking a domain has to be 100% dedicated to a sub-niche (make money[/I]?

LOL Read again what I wrote. I didn't say anything about a site has to be 100% dedicated to a sub-niche to make money.

I simply argued that there are actual authority sites for internet marketing that SHOULD be ranked higher than ABCnews and USnews

Originally Posted by yukon

Is this your first day on the internet?

No, 2nd day.

Originally Posted by Redbull has always been tight with video games & extreme sports. Their demographics [B

is[/B] young people. Buy a TV, turn it on, watch a Redbull commercial.

Again, you are missing the point. Yes, they are tight with video games, extreme sports, etc., but doesn't mean they SHOULD outrank video game sites that are 100% devoted to their niche.

In other words, Google isn't necessarily favoring authority sites in their respective niches, they are favoring authority sites period.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by SchoolofKA

Again, you are missing the point. Yes, they are tight with video games, extreme sports, etc., but doesn't mean they SHOULD outrank video game sites that are 100% devoted to their niche.

If they're writing/producing a better piece then yes, they should.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by @tjr

If they're writing/producing a better piece then yes, they should.

You are absolutely right.

Accept in this case, it wasn't well written well at all. It was a short article that was a rehash of tips that had already been written about a week before but Google ranked that above some well known video game authority sites. Not surprised, it's Red Bull.

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by SchoolofKA

You are absolutely right.

Accept in this case, it wasn't well written well at all. It was a short article that was a rehash of tips that had already been written about a week before but Google ranked that above some well known video game authority sites. Not surprised, it's Red Bull.

Dude, you're seriously messed up If you don't understand the connection between Red Bull & the video game niche.

Good grief, like I've already shown you, Red Bull is targeting the video game niche on over 20,000 page hits.

Red Bull sponsors everything related to video games & extreme sports.

I'm thinking you're trolling because I can't imagine anyone could stray this far from common sense.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Dude, you're seriously messed up If you don't understand the connection between Red Bull & the video game niche.

Good grief, like I've already shown you, Red Bull is targeting the video game niche on over 20,000 page hits.

Red Bull sponsors everything related to video games & extreme sports.

I'm thinking you're trolling because I can't imagine anyone could stray this far from common sense.

Troll on bro hymn...

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I already told you in my last reply that I understand the connection between Red Bull and video games. Does a connection make them an authority in the industry?

I spend a lot of time in the video game industry. I can think of at least 50 sites I would consider authority before I would ever consider Red Bull an authority in the industry.

Red Bull has there hands in a lot of things: car racing, musical education, hockey, cliff diving,to name a few.

For example, Red Bull also owns several soccer teams around the world and actively promotes soccer such as soccer camps but I do not consider them an authority in the sport.

IMO, at the end of the day, if you ask 50 people in any industry, What is Red Bull? and they are going to say ENERGY DRINK or lifestyle brand. Regardless of their connection to industries.

OR look at it this way...

Ask 50 people in the video game industry to list 10 authority sites in the industry and I would be surprised to see Red Bull named.

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by SchoolofKA

I already told you in my last reply that I understand the connection between Red Bull and video games. Does a connection make them an authority in the industry?

I spend a lot of time in the video game industry. I can think of at least 50 sites I would consider authority before I would ever consider Red Bull an authority in the industry.

Red Bull has there hands in a lot of things: car racing, musical education, hockey, cliff diving,to name a few.

For example, Red Bull also owns several soccer teams around the world and actively promotes soccer such as soccer camps but I do not consider them an authority in the sport.

IMO, at the end of the day, if you ask 50 people in any industry, What is Red Bull? and they are going to say ENERGY DRINK or lifestyle brand. Regardless of their connection to industries.

OR look at it this way...

Ask 50 people in the video game industry to list 10 authority sites in the industry and I would be surprised to see Red Bull named.

Those 50 people must be Mongolian monks.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by SchoolofKA

It doesn't matter if they are at the bottom of the page or not. The point is, they are non-authority sites in 'internet marketing' and they are on the first page.

Going by the "internet marketing" definition of what an authority site is, no, those news sites are not authority sites. But out in the real world away from the confines of how get rich quick scammers define everything, those sites are indeed considered authority sites.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot

Going by the "internet marketing" definition of what an authority site is, no, those news sites are not authority sites. But out in the real world away from the confines of how get rich quick scammers define everything, those sites are indeed considered authority sites.

Internet Marketing is not a Get Rich Quick Scheme.

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Originally Posted by Zodiax

Internet Marketing is not a Get Rich Quick Scheme.

I've got it so, so wrong. ;/
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DubDubDubDot 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Zodiax

Internet Marketing is not a Get Rich Quick Scheme.

blah blah blah

I know I know

Internet Marketing is just marketing on the internet.

Until you look a little closer and see that 99% of the people using that term are get rich quick scammers and their foolish followers.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by SchoolofKA

Here is something else that's interesting. Just searched for "how to make money online" and what two sites are listed on the first page?: ABCnews and USnews.

Results may vary. I searched for "how to make money online" (without quotes) and the first two results were:

I'm logged in to a Google account, BTW. And upon logging out and using an incognito tab in chrome, I see the same results.

Originally Posted by SchoolofKA

Also, searched for "internet marketing." Sites listed on the first page? Forbes is listed three times and entrepreneur.com twice.

And here's the domains from the top 10 results I get from a Google search for "internet marketing" (without quotes):

www.webopedia.com
www.copyblogger.com
www.entrepreneuer.com
en.wikipedia.org
www.quicksprout.com
www.forbes.com
www.internetmarketingninja.com
www.forbes.com
www.theverge.com
www.entrepreneuer.com

Aren't those personalized results interesting?

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deekay

11 years ago

John, Matthew, Darren are masters in their fields. Its not first time, they're seeing these updates and fluctuations. Wait for some time, they all will bounce back, with stronger results.

Moreover, all these people stand out for their content and authority.

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11 years ago

John Chow is very nice blogger.I love his all blogs.

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MarkHernandez

11 years ago

I like his blogs but MLM is something I hate with passion! However, I think MOBE has been his primary source of income for a long time for now..

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Originally Posted by MarkHernandez

I like his blogs but MLM is something I hate with passion! However, I think MOBE has been his primary source of income for a long time for now..

Exactly.

I think he is so fixated on MOBE that he lost sight of his blog.

He posts about lunches and cars now....

The other advice he gives is how to sign up and promote MOBE.
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11 years ago

Interesting, I'm curious to see what are your sources? What makes you say that his blog is dying? From someone who has no insider info into his blog he seems to be doing more thank OK to me.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by marguerite

Interesting, I'm curious to see what are your sources? What makes you say that his blog is dying? From someone who has no insider info into his blog he seems to be doing more thank OK to me.

See post #6

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marguerite 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Zodiax

See post #6

No mention where these numbers came from and a drop in traffic from Google does not necessarily mean the sites are making less money. The original post mentioned the email list and these numbers say nothing regarding the email list...
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11 years ago

IF you think his blog is doing badly you should see his Youtube channel.

It's like rolling tumbleweed.

Half of his videos are basically just him showing off now.

"Look at this expensive lunch I'm eating"
"Look how much I'm making with MOBE"
"I'm fishing"
"I'm driving in the Mercedes that was given to me to promote to you guys"

It's almost as if he's bored of being an authority in the field and cant be assed producing any great content.

That's probably what caused him to lose value in the eyes of Google. He just ain't producing good content...

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by nicheblogger75

I have no idea why they would decide to penalize authority sites like Problogger and John Chow, other than the fact that there were other sites that they felt should rank above them because they would provide a better user experience.

Originally Posted by Luke Dennison

It's almost as if he's bored of being an authority in the field and cant be assed producing any great content.

That's probably what caused him to lose value in the eyes of Google. He just ain't producing good content...

I'd say that pretty much sums it up. Google has always been very candid about the importance of user experience.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Lance K

I'd say that pretty much sums it up. Google has always been very candid about the importance of user experience.

So is Darren Rowse and Matthew Woodward bored too?

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by SchoolofKA

So is Darren Rowse and Matthew Woodward bored too?

Not necessarily. Could be that others just have more relevant, fresher content. Or content that is equal to theirs with more perceived authority. Just because someone has achieved a certain level of success, doesn't mean the grind is over. The grind is never over.

I'm not saying these guys have lost their drive, or are hurting financially in any way. Maybe they just found other places to direct their efforts, rather than relying on search engines as much as they did in the past.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Lance K

Not necessarily. Could be that others just have more relevant, fresher content. Or content that is equal to theirs with more perceived authority. Just because someone has achieved a certain level of success, doesn't mean the grind is over. The grind is never over.

I'm not saying these guys have lost their drive, or are hurting financially in any way. Maybe they just found other places to direct their efforts, rather than relying on search engines as much as they did in the past.

That's all speculation. What isn't speculation is that Chow, Rowse, and Woodward all lost a huge chunk of traffic with the last Google algorithm change.

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Lance K 11 years ago

Of course my thoughts on what may be going on with those guys is speculation. However, Google's love of user experience is not.
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  Originally Posted by Lance K
  
  Of course my thoughts on what may be going on with those guys is speculation. However, Google's love of user experience is not.
  
  That is why ABCnews and USnews is one first page for 'Internet Marketing?'
  
  I have to disagree. If Googled valued user experience as much as you think, other sites would take place of the above mentioned. Matthew Woodward or Darren Rowse, for example, is going to be able to offer WAY more than ABCnews and USnews.
  
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11 years ago

I must be out of the loop, what is MOBE?

MOBE, also known as

My Online Business Empire
My Online Business Education
My Top Tier Business

...is a multilevel marketing program run by an Australian named Matt Lloyd. Membership is $49, and that gives you the right to promote some information products that retail in the $49-$150 range. If you want to earn more, you can purchase "licenses" that sell for $2497, $9997, $16,667 and $29,997.

When you buy those licenses, you earn the right to earn approximately 50% commission by reselling those licenses. In order to earn money from any license, you must first buy that particular license yourself, otherwise, the commission goes to the next person up the line from you who has purchased that license. This provides tremendous incentive to become "fully positioned", as they call it. Becoming fully positioned will cost you just a bit under $60,000.

There are people, such as John Chow and Zach Crawford, who claim to be earning upwards of $1000 per day with this system, but the average compensation for all members is under $2000 per year. This is stated on the company's Website on their earnings disclaimer page.

John Chow is reportedly the company's top earner.

All products in the MOBE system are sold as "marketing training,' but that's just a smokescreen. In reality, the licenses serve no purpose other than as a vehicle to transfer large sums of money from new members to existing ones.

MOBE is a great program, provided that:

1. You have up to $60,000 to spend, along with a few hundred per month for other subscription products the company offers.
2. You know a LOT of people with up to $60,000 to spend on a moneymaking "business."
3. You live outside the United States, where you will not be subject to the Federal Trade Commission and individual state consumer protection laws.

It's worth noting that none of the people I have mentioned above live in the United States. You may draw whatever conclusions you like from this.

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Curtis2011

11 years ago

Originally Posted by essmeier

When you buy those licenses, you earn the right to earn approximately 50% commission by reselling those licenses. In order to earn money from any license, you must first buy that particular license yourself, otherwise, the commission goes to the next person up the line from you who has purchased that license. This provides tremendous incentive to become "fully positioned", as they call it. Becoming fully positioned will cost you just a bit under $60,000.

In other words, it's a pyramid scheme.

This kind of thing has been done plenty of times before. I recall there was a really popular one that was promoted heavily on the Warrior Forum maybe a year or two ago. I can't remember the name of it, but it made millions for the owners, who had to live outside the USA because their business model is illegal here.

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LaunchPurveyor

11 years ago

Glen from Viperchill wrote about the descent of John Chow's blog and other formely top bloggers 3 years ago.

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writeaway

11 years ago

While his blog isn't as big as it used to be, he still has a big following.

There is a new wave of make money online blogs - more focused on case studies - which have displaced older players like John Chow and Shoemoney.

More and more people are turning to case study driven sites.

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11 years ago

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Joan Altz

11 years ago

I disagree that Darren Rowse's and John Chow's blogs have more relevancy to the very broad search phrase "how to make money online", because both of those guys provide answers that are limited in scope on any given page, whereas the intent of most people searching with that phrase is for getting general ideas that are less defined, less specific, and that serve as a starting point.

Read the content of the top results and you'll see that those articles cover the gamut of ways to make money online. Very broad content results matching the broad phrase searched for with broad intent.

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SchoolofKA

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Joan Altz

I disagree that Darren Rowse's and John Chow's blogs have more relevancy to the very broad search phrase "how to make money online", because both of those guys provide answers that are limited in scope on any given page, whereas the intent of most people searching with that phrase is for getting general ideas that are less defined, less specific, and that serve as a starting point.

Read the content of the top results and you'll see that those articles cover the gamut of ways to make money online. Very broad content results matching the broad phrase searched for with broad intent.

Agree to disagree.

If I want to learn "How to make money online," personally I would rather learn a method from John Chow or Darren Rowse instead of ABCnews. But that's just me.

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Lance K

11 years ago

Originally Posted by SchoolofKA

Agree to disagree.

If I want to learn "How to make money online," personally I would rather learn a method from John Chow or Darren Rowse instead of ABCnews. But that's just me.

I (and I assume others here on this internet marketing forum) get where you're coming from.

But most of the people searching for "how to make money online" have probably never heard of internet marketing, affiliate marketing, etc. To the general public, ABC News is more trustworthy than some guy they've never heard of that has a popular make money online blog. Especially, when most of those guys are trying to use their content as a front to sell you something. Their perception = their reality.

If ABC News gives them the general information they are looking for, that's a good user experience. Therefore, they learn that they can trust Google's search results to deliver what they're looking for. They'll continue to use Google if they get search results that suit them.

Not only that, but the content on those sites may lead them to believe that there is some merit to the idea of making money online. Which should be better for all of those selling relevant information when the searcher's thirst for more information lands them on one of those sites.

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tyronne78

11 years ago

His blog might have taken a hit but he's definitely not hurting for money.I bet you he has a subscriber base that's close to a million people if not more. Anyway a blog is just a lead generator. He's made most of his money over the years by marketing to his list. He's probably making more money now then any other time in his internet marketing career. I believe he's the #1 income earner in MOBE.

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Zodiax

11 years ago

Originally Posted by tyronne78

His blog might have taken a hit but he's definitely not hurting for money.I bet you he has a subscriber base that's close to a million people if not more. Anyway a blog is just a lead generator. He's made most of his money over the years by marketing to his list. He's probably making more money now then any other time in his internet marketing career. I believe he's the #1 income earner in MOBE.

He has 301,000 subscribers.

Have you even visited the website? Or are you just spouting stuff off of your head.

You have no idea what he actually makes after expenses.

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joseph7384

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Zodiax

He has 301,000 subscribers.

Have you even visited the website? Or are you just spouting stuff off of your head.

You have no idea what he actually makes after expenses.

Not that I give a crap but have you ever considered that he may have multiple lists of equal size or more.

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BradfordHatch

11 years ago

I for one, like his blog and everything he has to share, if he wants to promote MLM, then it's entirely his choice IMHO.

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idiots89

11 years ago

mlm has gotten a bad rep over the years. But do you know why? it's simple because some schmuck from the news media who wasn't making any money and wanted to move up fast, decided to call it a pyramid scheme.

Think of it like this....

It only takes 5 people maximum for whatever you say to arrive at the highest levels...including the President of the United States. If it's something of interest and what's being talked about and hot right now. It will always arrive to where it needs to arrive.

If MLM didn't exist...Social Media wouldn't exist.

Is that such a big Claim? Read on then...

Did you know that your word (Yes your little word) can reach the president of the US much more sooner than you think?!

How?

OK, I say something to my aunt on Facebook who works as a secretary in a gvmt office. She relays that to her colleagues, who in turn gets to the boss. The boss is likely to be someone of importance and knows people in office. If your message/rumor/idea is important enough to be relayed, he will talk about it to his bosses. Who are his bosses? The government of course. From there it only takes another person to relay what you talked about and get to the highest office....duh..the President.

You see people underestimate the power of word/social media/multi-level-marketing. What I just described to you is a simple concept of how words get spread, but in truth it's exactly how multi-level-marketing works. If you don't realize it you're just dumb.

Now where do us marketers fall on this scale?

We fall exactly in how we phrase the message, to make it Sound Important for you to care enough to relay it. It usually IS important enough, cause if there's a golden egg, who wouldn't want a part of that right?

Please anyone I challenge you to contradict my thoughts on this issue. I'm not Chow, but I'm making a point of defending MLM too.

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@tjr

11 years ago

Originally Posted by idiots89

mlm has gotten a bad rep over the years. But do you know why? it's simple because some schmuck from the news media who wasn't making any money and wanted to move up fast, decided to call it a pyramid scheme.

Think of it like this....

It only takes 5 people maximum for whatever you say to arrive at the highest levels...including the President of the United States. If it's something of interest and what's being talked about and hot right now. It will always arrive to where it needs to arrive.

If MLM didn't exist...Social Media wouldn't exist.

Is that such a big Claim? Read on then...

Did you know that your word (Yes your little word) can reach the president of the US much more sooner than you think?!

How?

OK, I say something to my aunt on Facebook who works as a secretary in a gvmt office. She relays that to her colleagues, who in turn gets to the boss. The boss is likely to be someone of importance and knows people in office. If your message/rumor/idea is important enough to be relayed, he will talk about it to his bosses. Who are his bosses? The government of course. From there it only takes another person to relay what you talked about and get to the highest office....duh..the President.

You see people underestimate the power of word/social media/multi-level-marketing. What I just described to you is a simple concept of how words get spread, but in truth it's exactly how multi-level-marketing works. If you don't realize it you're just dumb.

Now where do us marketers fall on this scale?

We fall exactly in how we phrase the message, to make it Sound Important for you to care enough to relay it. It usually IS important enough, cause if there's a golden egg, who wouldn't want a part of that right?

Please anyone I challenge you to contradict my thoughts on this issue. I'm not Chow, but I'm making a point of defending MLM too.

Um...no. There are quite a few more levels between you and the President, short of making wild terrorist claims or performing an insane terrorist action. And that isn't how MLM works. You aren't spreading "word" up the line. You're trying to sell people on selling what you're selling.

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BrentGarett

11 years ago

Don't think his personal income has being shot down that much, he's still making a fortune, over the time, his marketing might have gotten less effective but he's still living a dream life!

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ghost209

11 years ago

Each day this place is feeling more like a gossip site and less like a marketing forum.

I'm friends with John Chow. I also used to run a top marketing blog that got massive traffic, and I pulled the plug on it years ago..

Why? because blogs suck.

I was spending tons of time on my blog, 10x as much time as my other projects, and wasn't making any money from it.

I was always having to crank out fresh new content (otherwise people wouldn't come back),
I was answering thousands of comments.. but nobody was buying my stuff.

I was only attracting freebie seekers.. and few (if any) of those were turning into $$.

You'd be way better off turning your blog into a paid membership site for $29 / $47/mo and just
building that out with content instead.

Meanwhile, my paid courses were making me way more money with way less effort.
So instead I focused on just sending paid traffic to my courses, and never looked back.

Which is the exact same reason many of the other top guys in the space decided to ditch the blog and focus on things that make them more money.

John Chow made great money from his recent Clickbank launches. He's also done great with Mobe, and promoting other high ticket stuff to his list. That stuff is making him way more money with way less time and effort

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Lance K

11 years ago

Kind of figured this topic was much ado about nothing. In this instance (and ones similar) a shift in effort is a pretty natural progression if you really stop and thing about it logically.

Originally Posted by ghost209

Each day this place is feeling more like a gossip site and less like a marketing forum.

I'm friends with John Chow. I also used to run a top marketing blog that got massive traffic, and I pulled the plug on it years ago..

Why? because blogs suck.

I was spending tons of time on my blog, 10x as much time as my other projects, and wasn't making any money from it.

I was always having to crank out fresh new content (otherwise people wouldn't come back),
I was answering thousands of comments.. but nobody was buying my stuff.

I was only attracting freebie seekers.. and few (if any) of those were turning into $$.

You'd be way better off turning your blog into a paid membership site for $29 / $47/mo and just
building that out with content instead.

Meanwhile, my paid courses were making me way more money with way less effort.
So instead I focused on just sending paid traffic to my courses, and never looked back.

Which is the exact same reason many of the other top guys in the space decided to ditch the blog and focus on things that make them more money.

John Chow made great money from his recent Clickbank launches. He's also done great with Mobe, and promoting other high ticket stuff to his list. That stuff is making him way more money with way less time and effort

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hardworker2013

11 years ago

I wonder what is your motivation for writing this thread.John Chow is still one of the top
Internet Marketing earner today!

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Hogan Chua

11 years ago

People think Google's algo is the problem.

From what I see and feel, the online landscape is completely changing. And fast.

But Video is huge...

Video build instant trust cause the hear and see you.
People's internet is faster, computers, phones are more capable.
People want too know you are a real person.

Blogs and search will always be hear, but video is taking over.

Also people are moving to specific apps to do their searching.

Seriously, who really wants to sign up to an email list? And how often do you actually check an email coming in from a specific blogger. There's so much free info out there, if you know how to search you will find it.

You need to be a personal brand.

If you notice from like 2010 - there were a ton of make money online guides which sold the rank on google with blasting your site with links.

2011 - everyone started following these techniques and doing bad videos and ranking them with fiverr.

2012 - people pulling in the money

2013 - they keep doing it

2014 - They get punished by the algos'

2015 - Now on youtube you'll see that alot of top keywords are ranking by people with many loyal subscribers.

So, the most important things these days is that people want to you to be authentic and real. Like a friend. And that's how things are moving.

And in 2016 it's going to get even more crazy when they release oculus rift (virtual reality) and hololens (not sure when this is out but)

If you put out a site just to make money, without a greater purpose, without being passionate about what you are doing then you are going to fail. So you really need to think about it like 5-10 years a head. Are you doing something more than just keyword research?