From one Newbie to another...

It's widely known (unfortunately) among internet marketers that you can make a TON of money off of noobs here.

I'd recommend something a bit different.

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What I like about it is it's only $20/month AND you get a TON of access to great IM products (you don't have to want to sell them to use the information).

Mark (the owner) is a stand up guy and there's a decent enough community there that are willing to help.

Just my .02. I find WF more of a time sucker than anything else.

well said, I have seen the same thing going on too, it's sad but this is how new age marketing is done now! lol

Reminds me of something an Internet Marketer I respect and have done for
years once wrote..

When I see the crowds charging, I step aside into the doorway, let them
pass, and then walk in the opposite direction.

LOL Richpeasant!!!

Get off the Warrior Forum if you want to learn how to actually build a business and not get rich quick. This place is designed to keep people buying WSOs. The original owner was a crafty gypsy.

You can find some gold here, but if you don't know what you're digging for you're going to end up frustrated pretty quick. You already know you primed the pump, gurus inbound.

95% of what is here is designed to make the seller money, and you're supposed to learn that their business model is based off marketing to marketers.

Learn copywriting, email marketing, blogging, how to reach influencers in your market, and how to buy ads without losing your shirt. Then put those skills together to come up with your own business model that makes you money.

There's information freely available on all of those topics. There's a few transparent (as they can be) bloggers who you can actually trust. Brian Dean, Pat Flynn, Spencer Haws, Stuart Walker, Ben Settle, Yaro Starak they're in it for the long haul.

Most of the WSOs here repeat what's already been said on those sites, or those sites will pick up the method and publish it once it's actually proven to be legit.

Much of the good stuff is gleaned by observing what successful Internet Marketers are doing more than by buying something they are teaching.

For example, rather than buy a lot of email marketing products when I first started, I signed up to as many IM lists as possible and actually studied what headlines sellers were using to get me to open their emails, what pitches they were using in the body of their emails, and what bonuses they were giving away and so on...

I also signed up as an affiliate to a lot of products I had no intention of promoting so I could follow the leaderboards of affiliate contests to find out who the top affiliates were, then find something they had on offer so I could sign up to their lists and then did a lot of comparisons between them and less successful affiliates.

I used the Warrior Forum advanced search to look up questions people were asking about specific topics, saved those searches as whole web pages, and started categorizing the questions and issues so I could tailor my marketing pitches later.

That's just a few examples. I have every sales page saved to my desktop that has ever impressed me over the past 4 years or so, and I've downloaded every sales video that has impressed me over about the past 2 years. Those are categorized too and I've pulled groups of them up at various times to study and apply.

That's how I started succeeding with email marketing and affiliate marketing, but it's just a small example. My primary business is offline marketing related, as I found that to be the most profitable. Everything else I do is a long term side experiment, but profitable as well so far.

Newbies get confused here because even though it is a place where you can get a lot of useful information, it's also a marketing arena where everyone is trying to make money from everyone else.

So along with good information, you'll get garbage information and parroted information from people who are simply trying to get more signature exposure.

Synnuh, Thanks for the great tips and info resources. I saved all of them.

Joan Altz, those are all awesome tips and tricks to make use of. And they are also very creative learning methods as well.


The learning and studying part is something I'm aware of, and I think there's a lot of Noobs who feel the same and are more in touch with that reality than the "get rich quick fantasy"


I think the major road block for all of us, is knowing WHO to study from as we don't yet have that experience to differentiate the truth from the BS all the time.
I've been here about 2 weeks, and I noticed the predator game going on, but I'm sure that's just the tip of it.


When you don't know much and come in, so many things and people sound like they REALLY know what they're talking about and this is where the major problem is. You spend so much time investigating each thing, to just realize it's another BS money maker.


I'm also willing to invest money in my own studying and would be open to a mentor or coaching program. That is why I think I've gotten so frustrated! I have my head in the right place, but I'm also trying to heavily avoid throwing away money and time.


I try to be as logical as I can, and even when you're doing everything right it always comes down to the fact that us Noobs just sometimes don't know any better, and don't know where to look.

Steve B, Thanks, that is some really great advice!


The thing about coming up with a business plan THEN spending the money really struck me.


I felt like because I don't know much, I would learn the material first before even making the business plan.


When the time comes and I am ready to find a mentor, where do I go to ask for good recommendations that can actually be trusted?

Hi QTeeKitty.

I totally get you. I'm also a newbie and I have wasted so much money on some "not-so-great" products not so long ago.

Well, I can't say it's a complete waste, because I learned a lot about myself by spending on those products. Some products, I spent money, but never took action upon. Some, I never even completed the course. So it is part my fault as well. But I learned a lot from those products as well.

So best thing you could do it pick one niche and stick to it. Don't just go buying WSOs. First do some research on your own. And YouTube is one of the best resources I used when I was a newbie. You can get some amazing free content there, as many of us know.

So before spending, gather knowledge using all the free available resources. And also hand around in Warrior Forum because you can pick up some great gold nuggets from other people's experiences as well.

But I gotta tell you, having a mentor is the main thing which helped me to go past that "wondering around' stage and do something for real.

Not everyone can be considered as a mentor. Go find someone who has a proven track record of your selected niche. Don't just go invest in their program. Ask questions from them. Find out how they can help you.

But I believe, it is essential to have a mentor, because good mentors will hold you by your hand and work with you until you become successful.

Another thing is, killing the procrastination. A lot of newbies, included myself, have this and it is a dream killer.

Get into a habit of taking consistent action. Action is the first step in achieving results. Massive Action = Massive Results.

Wish you all the best for your future endeavors,
Sudesh.

Sudesh, Nice to meet another Noob, or former Noob!


As far as my research before I buy, it always turns into a dead end. This is where I am going in circles.


How did you find your mentor that helped you? What was it for?


I am good with the sense that I don't have much of a procrastination problem, but I haven't yet been able to take any action.
I want to take action, I just can't blow my investment money unwisely. Does that make sense?

Rich, Thanks, I just saved the information about those two suggestions!
I just got all excited that you said "E-book university" from someone you actually trust!!!
Some faith has been restored! lol

I am really connecting with this Tony Shepherd guy! I'm such a "hippy" soul myself, but I really like his writing style.
He is offering this right now: Replace Your Salary
If I read it correctly, it's like 13$ a month! I was expecting a lot more!

Sudesh, Congrats!!!! I love your story and wish you the best of everything!! Please stick around here!


May I ask the name of your person?

Well I can see what you mean in a sense that spending that amount of money without ever researching or questioning the legitimacy on top of no results does seem crazy. As well as not investing in building up your knowledge at all.
I'm actually relieved now though, that I am in neither of those groups. lol
As far as the "why" people do that, like you said; they want a "get rich quick" scheme, little work, or some type of "easy" button. Kind of like the old Staples commercial, lol.

I'd be wary of many WSOs, especially when they claim to teach you a whole business model for all of $7. The good ones, cost money. Things like Wealthy Affiliate, Chris Farrell Membership, Affilorama, Bring the Fresh, etc.

Thanks Launch!
I will research those suggestions!

Most of what you will find here is about selling a product/service, be it your own or someone else's.

While I do sell some products, I mainly do CPA lead generation and that is where I have made the bulk of my money. Just wanted to say that, so you know that it exists.

With leads all anyone has to do is fill out a form (no credit card required) and because of this, it's not uncommon to get much higher conversion rates. There are leads that you can get $20-$60 each (some verticals have even higher paying leads) that work well on a front-end campaign. I pretty much favor leads that have some form of a make, get or save money angle to them, as they will typically have mass appeal with the general public...high volume of potential prospects.

All my marketing is done with email, so I build and buy lists(some will tell you not to buy lists/data, but there is a way to do smart/right and make it work extremely well). I don't spend a dime on anything unless it directly results in cost effective email collection. Then everything then comes down to how many messages do I need to send to break-even on my acquisitions costs, when to promote another offer and how aggressive can I get away with being...which really all comes down to monitoring your stats.

The upside to using email is once you break-even on your costs, it's then all pure profit, less your fixed costs. Also with mailing to lead generation lists, it's not necessary to try and build a relationship with the list like may do in IM/MMO, as it's not going to make any significant difference in conversions, so it's less work. You just mail until they unsubscribe, which may sound harsh, but a good percent will stick around for years.

The downside is that most CPA networks will want you to be doing like $1K per week before they will pay you weekly. So you need the capital to float your entire business during pay periods, which could be many weeks with some of them when you first start. Also you ideally want to join multiple networks, so you can split test the same offers between the networks and offers that are similar, so you know for sure which are producing the highest profits. This thins out how much you are doing between the networks and makes that $1K harder to get with all of them. Once your rolling, it obviously isn't an issue.

Anyway, I just thought I would tell you what has worked for me, as it's not that popular of a topic here. Obviously there's more involved then what I wrote, but it can be wildly profitable if done right.

As to WSO's, if you buy one and it's crap then request a refund. But don't expect to learn a business from A-Z for $10-$20.

On coaching/mentor's...I fully believe this can be very beneficial, as sometimes the only way your ever going to find out guarded tips, tricks and secrets is by paying a hefty price, as you just won't find them in an open forum or a mass sold product. Sometimes those nuggets are what can really make the difference from moderate to huge success.

Totally agree - I read all the free stuff before I decide to buy anything from anyone.

It's far better for getting a picture of what they're really like - better than any sales copy.

I'd expect people to do the same and read my free stuff before even thinking about buying anything from me. (Also thanks for your kind words guys!)

The Niche Man,
Yes, I thank you all because I'm genuinely grateful for all the awesome tips you each have and taking the time out to respond back to me!


It helps me approach things in a better way and I reference it all for my research; it means a lot that I have this foundation to start on.

Finding a mentor is a sure-fire solution but not every new-comer would be able to afford the high costs.. some, who will reach to the stage where they can afford a real mentor would definitely succeed!

From what I have seen, finding a mentor who is a real deal is a challenge in it self! I mean there are way too many posers trying to fill up their schedules nowadays, no?

My advice to you would to specifically find someone who is doing what you want to do and pay them for their time so you can shortcut your way to success.

Now, doesn't mean buy everything from everyone. Find someone you'd like to model and stick with them until you start to get some results under your belt.

Sounds like you’d benefit from a mentor.
IMO you go through 2 phases of spending money in IM. the first is endlessly chasing that “magic bullet” that will “make” you an IM’er.
The second is investing in necessary TOOLS once you are actually DOING IM.
The transition is gradual. You start with the first phase til the light bulb goes off, at which point you move into the second phase.
Which phase are you in?
There's a system to it and you have to be willing to put in the work once you know the system, plain and simple.

PS - Even the best mentor will pick and choose which aspects to cover. For example, a good mentor may show you the ins and outs of one area, but not another. Sometimes it takes finding guidance from SEVERAL "right people" to finally put the pieces together and learn how to finally make some traction.

Guys, thanks for bringing some clarification to me about mentors. I am going to wait and start implementing some things first, and wait for when I am serious about expanding on one particular thing and have a full understanding what I want out of that person.


I also want to let you know that I save all the names of people that you give me in folders and have them there to reference during my research.