Looks like the ERA of Make-Money-Online Courses is reached and End in 2015

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No major launches! aka google sniper etc
no new breakthrough SEO product launched
Number of cheapo-scam products also reduced
The Mega Launches seems less now...
Is it the MMO guru crowd moved to some thing else?
physical products or investing in startups?
Or are internet startups like Uber the in-thing now?

I am curious as the general weightage of MMO industry has reduced hugely in this year!!
Adsense extremely useless now ..
Adwords made more and more difficult with the new Final URL changes!
SEO ranking is slowly becoming a 5 year plan...:-)
hubpages,squidoo, ezine all out of discussion..
where is this all heading???

Atleast a sea-change in internet marketing since I have been following it ..
How is working out for the newbies nowadays?

typo in the heading-apologies
#2015 #courses #end #era #makemoneyonline #reached
  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    All the "gurus" are peddling Ponzi schemes these days...
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    • Profile picture of the author esmarshall
      Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

      All the "gurus" are peddling Ponzi schemes these days...
      Hahaha Probably
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcoza
      Like M.O.B.I. for instance.
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanLB
    That's a good thing, though. Sure, there are legitimate products but there are a lot that are just preying on people that getting their hopes up.

    But, go take a look at the WSO forums and you'll see quite a few people pedaling guru-esque products.
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  • Profile picture of the author Azlan.MY
    Email, Youtube and Facebook marketing course is still relevant these days.
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  • Profile picture of the author jmh777
    Don't take courses, I've never heard anyone say "Wow! I'm rich now because some guy taught me how to do something!"
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    • Profile picture of the author SchoolofKA
      Originally Posted by jmh777 View Post

      Don't take courses, I've never heard anyone say "Wow! I'm rich now because some guy taught me how to do something!"
      I took a course in 2012 and became rich using those methods. Now you've heard it.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by jmh777 View Post

      Don't take courses, I've never heard anyone say "Wow! I'm rich now because some guy taught me how to do something!"
      Ridiculous assertion !!

      People become successful and yes even rich by learning from others who have blazed a trail before them.

      And YES many times this has involved taking Courses from these Trailblazers


      - Robert Andrew
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    • Profile picture of the author JonSofen
      Originally Posted by jmh777 View Post

      Don't take courses, I've never heard anyone say "Wow! I'm rich now because some guy taught me how to do something!"
      So you're saying don't go to college and drop out of high school before graduation?
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  • Profile picture of the author quadagon
    The 'gurus' are all currently promoting free with p and p offers.

    Free if you don't mind really expensive p and p and paying for a sales letter.

    I guess its true that everything new is old
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Every time I see a thread about

      "Then End of . . ." or

      "The Death of . . ."

      I cringe and wonder who is this self-appointed Internet grand master that is declaring something is officially expired?

      Especially when I continue to see that thing occur over and over again online when it's supposed to be dead.

      Just recently on this forum I have seen members declaring that the desktop computer is dead. I have seen members declaring that SEO is dead. There have been threads announcing that eBooks are dead, that article marketing is dead, that banner ads are dead, and yes, even that email marketing is dead!

      Open your eyes people. All of these things are still an important part of the Internet Marketing landscape.

      Now the OP is declaring . . .
      • No major launches!
      • Number of cheapo-scam products also reduced
      • the general weightage of MMO industry has reduced hugely in this year!!
      • Adsense extremely useless
      • hubpages,squidoo, ezine all out of discussion
      I have not seen much change in any of these marketing strategies at all.

      Sure tactics and strategies ebb and flow in and out of popularity over time, but to declare that all these methods have reached their end or death is to be very uninformed about what's happening in IM right now.

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      • Profile picture of the author kk075
        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        Every time I see a thread about

        "Then End of . . ." or "The Death of . . ."


        Steve
        I was going to say the same thing- just because the OP doesn't see it does not mean that the Internet is not thriving with new courses and scams.

        But hey, what do we know? Maybe the OP looked at the entire 972 million websites that are online today to verify his claim.
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      • Profile picture of the author Raydal
        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        Every time I see a thread about

        "Then End of . . ." or

        "The Death of . . ."

        I cringe and wonder who is this self-appointed Internet grand master that is declaring something is officially expired?
        This headline idea has been the backbone of one direct marketing company.
        Almost all of their headlines are "The Death of ...." So this is bringing life
        to some very rich marketers.

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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    People come out with new 'make money online courses' everyday. What gurus are you talking about. The legendary ones who's already making millions since the year 2000.... or the silent ones making $20,000/month?
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    • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      People come out with new 'make money online courses' everyday. What gurus are you talking about. The legendary ones who's already making millions since the year 2000.... or the silent ones making $20,000/month?
      I agree. I don't see there being a reduction in MMO courses at all. If anything, there are more and more product creators popping up all the time. Take a look on JVZoo and Warrior Plus and you will see MMO product launches just about every day.
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  • Profile picture of the author @tjr
    It'd be nice if it were over. But here we are.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

      It'd be nice if it were over. But here we are.
      The only other option is to wake up at 7:00 to make it work at 9:00, and than make $25 per hour for the next three decades and die a miserable, miserable death.

      I like that it's not over. I much rather prefer this hell than the alternative.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wuconnect
    I beg to differ. There's still plenty of launches going on, but just happening in different places. People make these pre-conceived rumors that certain aspects of marketing are "dead" when in fact they are still relevant to this day. Article Marketing, PPC, SEO, Video, Social media Marketing, etc etc.. are all still relevant in their own way.

    Some people just have a different way of teaching that well...newbies (like myself) and experienced alike can understand. Of course there's still the crap peddling WSO to build a list on the low (even now I still think that's a pretty genius idea lol), but yea. As long as there are still people out there looking to make some money online somewhere, there will always be new products with the same strategies that are supposedly "dead".
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  • Profile picture of the author josephgny
    Where did you get your information that make money online courses we're dead?
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  • Profile picture of the author Boo Blizzi
    Here are a few things the big time gurus are pitching now:

    "How to become a highly paid consultant"
    "How to create a software business"
    "How to market on FB/ become a social media manager"
    "How to set up a fancy conversion funnel" (which is basically advance tracking and email marketing)
    "How to sell products on Amazon via FBA"

    The gurus realize alot of people have been trying to make money online for awhile now and are starting to feel like their hopes of living the "internet lifestyle" and generating auto-pilot income is a dream that will never come true. In 2013, I noticed they began using webinars instead of product launches to sell business opportunities that resemble offline processes most people are already familiar with.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChristopherDavid
    There will always be a market for how-to information, especially in the areas of making money, having more and better sex, and living healthier, longer lives. From Joe Karbo to the latest-greatest self-promoting "guru", how to make money in direct marketing, online or off, is a historically proven product category. The latest flavor may change, but the basic concept is timeless.
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    Since the beginning of man, he has searched for information. He has also always been willing to pay for it. That has not changed and will not change anytime soon.

    To answer your question directly: No, this is not the end of "how to" products. There are tens of thousands of dollars worth of them being sold everyday. Some are good, some are not so good.

    Source of my info: I own one of the largest infoproduct sales venues in the world.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        Since the beginning of man, he has searched for information. He has also always been willing to pay for it. That has not changed and will not change anytime soon.

        To answer your question directly: No, this is not the end of "how to" products. There are tens of thousands of dollars worth of them being sold everyday. Some are good, some are not so good.

        Source of my info: I own one of the largest infoproduct sales venues in the world.
        Nice try on the cover up.

        Bet you've already packed it up.

        See you at the casino.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by jmh777 View Post

          Don't take courses, I've never heard anyone say "Wow! I'm rich now because some guy taught me how to do something!"
          Then you obviously haven't been paying enough attention to the sales letter or video of just about every MMO product ever pitched.

          Either you get the standard "hero" story: "I was living in a '74 Pacer and eating my meals at the mission until Mr. X showed me this neat trick the gurus were hiding. Now I hire people to wipe my butt. You can do the same if you just buy my stuff..."

          Or you get (mostly) vague testimonials heaping praise on the results of some product that just came out 10 minutes ago, so the person making the testimonial has had zero time to tell if the product works or not.

          There are still a few of the good guys out there. Jeff Walker just released a new video where he interviewed one of his product launch students. It rang true for me because both the results claimed and the time frame were reasonable. (Walker re-opens PLF once or twice a year, and I'm guessing from this video that he's leading up to it soon.)
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            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            There are still a few of the good guys out there. Jeff Walker just released a new video where he interviewed one of his product launch students. It rang true for me because both the results claimed and the time frame were reasonable. (Walker re-opens PLF once or twice a year, and I'm guessing from this video that he's leading up to it soon.)
            Thanks John... that was a really fun Case Study to publish. It was a truly remarkable story. I love highlighting my students' successes like that.

            We just finished shooting a bunch more Case Studies, and we'll be releasing them as soon as we get them edited.

            And yes, I'm going to be opening PLF in about a month - the last time I launched it was last year.


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    • Profile picture of the author Raydal
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      Source of my info: I own one of the largest infoproduct sales venues in the world.
      Wow! You own ClickBank?

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        Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

        Wow! You own ClickBank?

        -Ray Edwards
        Ray, surely you weren't doing some Thread Resurrection here ??

        Or were you the victim of Bait and Switch ( someone else resurrecting the Thread then deleting their Post and making you look like the culprit )
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  • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
    I sure won't miss them

    I do think there is some advantage in a software or even a wordpress theme - but if you look at past sales threads the "guru" often leaves the building, stops support,no longer has a forum, doesn't answer emails and DOES NOT UPGRADE THE STUFF...ouch

    A lot of this stuff is simply a rehash....I have to laugh at all the poorly worded "teespring" and "arbitrage" sales pages.

    It is also sad to see the amount of people desperately trying to push their stuff right in the middle of a thread or directing others to their "sig line".

    IMHO the worst offender are the ones that "coach" newbies to write their own "report" and sell it...the amount of misinformation they can bring is staggering....can't sell online...have no skills to offer in the real world offline...then write a report...yeah right

    I posted about the sheerly cynical sales letter where a guru told his "flock"...to make their customers their "own private atm" by pushin yet more junk

    truly sad. I think it may be an addiction tho - some people gamble or watch porn or eat bags of fast food...or get drunk...some people keep dreaming and trying schemes


    On a practical note - the "system" (google) has wised up and matured so much of the quick fix seo stuff no longer works. By the time a "moneymaker" is written up for the masses I think it's "power" has already dwindled and the writer of the report makes a last ditch effort to cash in by selling a report.
    Kindle has changed so that the ebooks have to have some value - ie, people have to keep reading.

    Of course there is still money to be made - for people with real skills, real sales ability, real knowledge of a given field,real talent....but for those who keep buying junk that promises overnight success for the price of a wso - good luck with that. You will need it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Miguelito203
    Originally Posted by justhandsome View Post

    No major launches! aka google sniper etc
    no new breakthrough SEO product launched
    Number of cheapo-scam products also reduced
    The Mega Launches seems less now...
    Is it the MMO guru crowd moved to some thing else?
    physical products or investing in startups?
    Or are internet startups like Uber the in-thing now?

    I am curious as the general weightage of MMO industry has reduced hugely in this year!!
    Adsense extremely useless now ..
    Adwords made more and more difficult with the new Final URL changes!
    SEO ranking is slowly becoming a 5 year plan...:-)
    hubpages,squidoo, ezine all out of discussion..
    where is this all heading???

    Atleast a sea-change in internet marketing since I have been following it ..
    How is working out for the newbies nowadays?

    typo in the heading-apologies
    It does seem like there are fewer big launches going on these days, but I've also noticed that a lot of the gurus have moved to promoting stuff like binary options (something I have no interest in) or other things I have no interest in (like various forms of paid advertising) and such. I'm really into niche blogging, which still works today. I haven't found anything I like as much as that.

    Joey
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  • Profile picture of the author winnermarketing
    The reason is that there are already many stuffs and the theme are almost the same.
    Moreover there is a lot of free materials on the net....
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  • Profile picture of the author Rich Lowe
    Niche blogging works more than ever. The problem I see is few people want to put in the elbow grease and still chase the magic bullet mentality. Or they follow advice from people who have never made real money online in markets that have nothing to do with making money online. I know so many who are crushing it in niche marketing but they took the time to do things properly. Most courses just don't know the real tactics that really work.

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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    Another person who believes that internet marketing begins and ends at the warrior forum. I guess he did not get the memo that many people have left the forum. These products are still being released daily..........just not here.

    The only good thing about the warrior forum these days is it keeps the wannabe's out of the way.

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  • Profile picture of the author LesterRussell
    Firstly, if you are actually aware how many people access the internet on a daily basis you would realize that internet marketing will never die out. Internet marketing is no different from doing a marketing campaign in the real life, except that the platforms we use are all virtual.

    The day internet marketing goes down will be the day that the global economy actually tumbles into complete chaos.And at such a stage, everyone would be affected anyway so i wouldn't be too worried about which basket i placed my eggs in.
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  • Profile picture of the author waken
    Haha.. the trend now is "1 on 1 Coaching".. I guess high ticket items is the goal now.
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    • Profile picture of the author ED1190
      Originally Posted by waken View Post

      Haha.. the trend now is "1 on 1 Coaching".. I guess high ticket items is the goal now.
      1 on 1 coaching is way more ideal for most newbies than an online course, though. Even then, some newbies will still end up slacking off and not do well.
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      • Profile picture of the author waken
        Originally Posted by ED1190 View Post

        1 on 1 coaching is way more ideal for most newbies than an online course, though. Even then, some newbies will still end up slacking off and not do well.
        I see 2 possibilities:

        i) attitude of the apprentice or...
        ii) the method shown might not what the apprentice is looking for

        seriously, a lot of people has a general goal to make money online but don't actually define it precisely. I mean, there are many ways to make money online but which one is suitable is another question.
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  • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
    Oh...I love the peeps doing the "reviews' and the courses

    I saw one guru wearing a tee shirt, his desk was a folding table like you take on a picnic,wearing a gimme cap....wow

    some of the reviewers.....sitting in their messy kitchen just pontificating into the camera LOL. I have to laugh at some of the "reviewers",,,,how do they know this is the best thing ever when they just read about it? do they actually work online or just sit around begging for a review copy and then making their vid?

    the guru with the folding table didn't even bother to take the logo "divi" off his wordpress theme...he had a "review" video praising him....of a naked eastern european gal, long hair did cover her bod, green screen background...singing his praises with a heavy accent

    you gotta love it
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  • Profile picture of the author totalyrecycled12
    There is still a lot of crap being peddled out there ,you obviously are not on any of any of these marketers lists. I have one email account set up for opting in to any of these things that seem interesting or may be helpful.
    About 90 per precent of what I get sent are still get rich quick schemes but some times I get sent something useful. When I start getting too much crap from a particular marketer then I just unsubscribe from that list. I find it a good way to find out what is going on in the IM industry.
    And also a lot of marketers seem to be using click sure and other platforms now and a lot are peddling high ticket coaching programs via webinars. I don't think it has faded at all they are just peddling different products and using different platforms to target different audiences.
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  • Profile picture of the author MeelisM
    The end for you.
    The start for future internet millionaires.

    Good luck with the end of it

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  • Profile picture of the author RobertDonohoe
    Would be nice if what you just wrote was true

    I still see product launches happening on daily basis and affiliates pushing cheap-o products to make commission
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  • Profile picture of the author startefl
    I watch a lot of videos where some pretty useful guys is explaining how he worked with X or learned from Y.... that's what the big guys seem to do better than most. Alot of them took coaching perhaps more than training courses, but as I understand and from my own experience, you can learn bits and pieces from course.

    I joined a course gave me some of the key basics to list building, I bought a bunch of other courses, they each gave me a little nugget here and there, helped me fine tune and get better at list building, and now I have a profitable system for creating and monetizing a list... nothing to brag about but it came from training courses.

    I'd love to find a coach... but I struggle to find the right coach... I can't spot the sharks yet and can't afford those that aren't sharks... go figure... I always seem to be between places
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnRees
    I beg to differ, no all products are "cheap-o" and not all the gurus are broke wannabes.. and if you will look around into this niche, you will find it hasn't come to an end at all!
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  • Profile picture of the author vour1995
    I like this topic but a lot of people still do make money from courses. Depends on your approach.
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  • Profile picture of the author TexasSteve
    There's still a ton going on...just, like you said, no big names.

    The silent ones are the "killers"...never underestimate what's going on behind the scenes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    Originally Posted by justhandsome View Post

    No major launches! aka google sniper etc
    no new breakthrough SEO product launched
    Number of cheapo-scam products also reduced
    The Mega Launches seems less now...
    I'm not sure what you're smoking?
    1. Page One Engine by Dori Friend launched a month ago, it's a $2k SEO Course and a damn good one actually
    2. There are a TON of Major Launches every MONTH - I've made...well 6 figures promoting quite a few of the better ones so far. 100k Factory, Profit Academy, Page One Engine, Google Sniper 3, Build My List and others...
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  • Profile picture of the author justhandsome
    Woah ..some really curt replies there.. :-) ,appreciate all the responses ,Well I agree I might be a bit unaware of the recent launches as I have unsubscribed from many a lists..but surely there were times when a huge number of people used to talk about a single product , e.g. Google Sniper first launch ,Market Samurai,SENukeX .That trend is most definitely down if not out.
    LOL I am not smoking anything..just that I was not so much aware about any huge launch for Google Sniper 3.0 and I think if it is not being discussed much ,it might be that big a launch after all.

    Overall I get the picture.
    There are launches happening just that they are not getting publicity as they used to get earlier .
    The people have become more discerning.

    And I truly believe the number of people getting in IM has reduced substantially for their own good.It definitely feels that way.
    The over feeling is that IM is not EASY as the overall thinking used to be in 2008 09 10 .. SEO is extremely difficult .
    I haven't seen many people tout adsense as the messiah it used to be projected a few years back .
    Rather people have gone more realistic about it..You probably wont be able to make it big just by adsense .

    Overall I feel this field has matured significantly in last 3 years ,and people have come to understand that this aint no cakewalk .It is getting as difficult as any other field to make a living from.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug Hewitt
    A lot of people who were launching products on the WF are now selling outside of the WF because of changes made earlier this year in their policies that no longer allow income screen shots.
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  • Profile picture of the author Delboy Trotter
    Yeah , if telling this may get me rid of competitors then yes, the internet maketing is dead, there is no money online , just get back to your 9-5 job!
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  • Internet Marketing died. SEO died. SMO Died. Everything has died. So everyone back to your 9-5 and ill just pick up where you left off.
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  • Profile picture of the author consigs
    First, thank you for thinking that anything is dead online.

    The more people use the internet, the more relevant it becomes.

    For years grocery stores like Giant, Safeway, Shoppers, etc were the giants of the grocery world. Now, they all seem to be closed down or found in run down neighborhoods. Does this mean that grocery stores are dead..... Not even close.

    People just figured out how to do things better. This means the work is MUCH harder and time consuming. Harris Teeter, Whole Foods, Harmon's etc... have applied an evolved marketing method centered around people and have taken over the industry. You won't find them on every corner... because they take more to run, are heavily staffed, and provide consumers with the things they want while giving them the stuff they didn't know they needed.

    So, is it dead? No, 'Gurus' are just not gurus anymore because business is no longer about 'What step do I take to squeeze every penny?' .... it's about 'How can I provide my audience with the things they need, while giving them everything they want.'

    Fact: Internet Marketer's in general don't like hard work... so when something falls ... it's because it got harder.
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    The "gurus" are focusing on MLM haha
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    MMO/Biz Opp niche is larger and more profitable than it ever was. As IM evolves, this niche evolves with it. It's a fabulous niche and when you operate ethically in the MMO niche it's not hard to distinguish yourself from the crowd of bad actors.

    I have been in this niche since 2008 and have been doing the same exact thing since I started and my business experiences record growth almost every year. I simply build email lists of targeted leads and then promote appropriate digital products to them. It's not exactly rocket science folks.

    I also got a kick out of the comment about how grocery stores like Safeway "seem to be closed down or found in run down neighborhoods." I'm not sure how one could come to that conclusion. My parents have a million dollar home in one of the best neighborhoods in Tempe and there are two Safeway stores within a mile from their home.

    I often wonder where people come up with this stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Campbell
    Quite a few seemingly butthurt and not in the "know" online entrepreneurs on this thread.

    If you think it is "dead" or there has been a major decline of any kind you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Then there is the assertion that all the "gurus" are doing MLM or similar, that is entirely incorrect also.

    All of these assumptions are absurd and based on nothing more than being uninformed about the marketplace trends and what is actually taking place in the market.

    The long and the short of it: there has been no downturn of any kind, all gurus are NOT flocking to MLMs and the OP has no idea what he is talking about.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeyman120
    Sounds like the op has only hear of CB. To me most of the Internet Marketing/Make Money Online products are on Warrior Forum & JVZoo. Seems to me most people are launching on Warrior Forum WSO section and then re-launching on JVZoo. I see tons of launches every week. Sign up to lots marketers email lists you'll see promotions everyday.
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