How much would you PAY for this article?

by nmwf
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Just curious...
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  • Profile picture of the author nicolasmd2112
    I would pay $0.10 for this article.




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    • Profile picture of the author nmwf
      Originally Posted by nicolasmd2112 View Post

      I would pay $0.10 for this article.
      Could you (please) elaborate why?
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      • Profile picture of the author nicolasmd2112
        Originally Posted by nmwf View Post

        Could you (please) elaborate why?
        Partly because i can hire someone across seas to do it for ridiculously cheap and in bulk, and partly because it would take me about 15 minutes to type this out myself after i Googled the facts, plus, each point could be a little more detailed.
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        • Profile picture of the author nmwf
          Originally Posted by nicolasmd2112 View Post

          partly because it would take me about 15 minutes to type this out myself after i Googled the facts, plus, each point could be a little more detailed.
          Thank you very much.

          After I get a few more responses, I'll reveal where it came from, what it actually costs, and why.
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      • Profile picture of the author kk075
        Originally Posted by nmwf View Post

        Could you (please) elaborate why?
        Sure, I'll jump in.

        First, you used your keyword in both the first and second sentence...which is a bad thing since it was very noticeable. Whoever asked you to write that article probably said to get "signs of aging" in there 5+ times and that kills the readability of the article AND raises the spam threshold possibilities. So for this reason alone, I would not publish this article on my site since it could likely hurt more than it helps. It's far too spammy for people and Google alike.

        Next, let's look at your first section- "at-home skincare". In two short paragraphs, you tell me that people can use products at home...but that's not always the best solution. Then you add, "look for products for your skin type." That's 100% fluff...meaning that you're filling up the page without saying a thing that anyone researching the topic wouldn't already know. How do I know what's right for my skin type? If you would have told me, then that may have saved that otherwise worthless section.

        Third, you give slightly more information with the rest of the article...but every single time you stop short of giving me something valuable. What's the difference between the treatments? Are any more/less effective? What do they cost? What is the recovery time? Do they hurt? These are questions the reader of that article would have but you didn't address a single one of those things.

        So unfortunately, that article is 100% worthless to anyone who understands SEO and/or cares about their readers. There's just nothing there that the average hack couldn't write in 10 minutes without any research at all, and only people who don't know any better will ask for that kind of quality.

        On the other hand, if you went into detail about each section, gave factual, actionable information on each of the treatments, tied in relevant images and cited examples, you would have been around 1500-2000 words and an article that's worth $75-250 (depending on the client) if it was well written.

        And that brings me to the final problem- your writing style. While there's nothing there that would be considered a negative, there's nothing positive either. The article is extremely bland and you never once tried to liven it up with colorful descriptions, witty phrases or anything that might entertain the reader. That's the difference between someone that can write okay and someone who's a true professional...the pros spend the extra time to hook their readers and help them enjoy the topic.

        I hope that helps- and you know from my other threads that I'm always brutally honest when it comes to critiquing writers. Now, I realize you wrote that with an article spinner and you want to show off your product....but it's far too weak and the quality was never there in the first place.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    "Maybe" a buck. It's really not a good article at all. It's really just a glossary of a few buzzwords. No depth to the article at all. Clearly written by someone other than a skin-care expert.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbwebmaster
    I think this article would go for around $5 - 10.

    My assumption is that this article was written by an English speaker. The length of the article is somewhat short.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    This would have sold pretty good 5-10 years ago when the black hat SEO inspired high volume content farms were still running. Nowadays most serious sites wouldn't publish that even if it was free. It lacks the necessary scientific content that human readers want.
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  • Profile picture of the author quadagon
    I wouldn't pay. If i had paid I'd want my money back.

    There's no voice to the article and feels like those God aweful programs that were being peddled a few years back which just stuck phrases together.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Paule
    Interesting thread . . . wish I could really participate, but I write my own content.

    Looks like those articles one would get from iwriter for $2 for 400 words.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I stopped at the first sentence because you've keyword stuffed the 2nd instance of signs of aging. Not that you'll stop aging but If you could you wouldn't be stopping the signs, you would be stopping the aging process. Again, you can't stop aging so that's two strikes, no research plus keyword stuffing.

    Google LSI keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author nmwf
    Any more comments?
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I would pay $5 for it.

    Honestly.... everything that you mentioned in the article are things that i have no idea about. I'm guessing that the average prospect in this niche doesn't know about these methods either. So from that perspective, i would probably give you a chance - only if you had more good info to offer after i seek more knowledge from you.
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  • Profile picture of the author ksummers
    $3 . This is what I get from ineedarticles service. Filler content that I jazz up with more detail.

    Anything to do with your signature?
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    • Profile picture of the author nmwf
      Originally Posted by ksummers View Post

      Anything to do with your signature?
      Not in the slightest.
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  • Profile picture of the author nmwf
    Oh my goodness!! Keep 'em comin!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by nmwf View Post

      Oh my goodness!! Keep 'em comin!!!
      As kay pointed out this is not even your work... Why are you wasting everyone's time asking for opinions?
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      • Profile picture of the author nmwf
        Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

        As kay pointed out this is not even your work... Why are you wasting everyone's time asking for opinions?
        Who, exactly, said it wasn't mine?
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by nmwf View Post

          Any more comments?
          Yeah.

          I read it. Based on my hourly worth and the piece of my life I wasted reading it, you owe me about $10.
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        • Profile picture of the author Cali16
          Originally Posted by nmwf View Post

          Who, exactly, said it wasn't mine?
          The author of the original article (assuming the article on InfoBarrel is the original article) is Tim Cook. He lives in the UK. According to your profile you live in Sacramento, CA.

          So, if the article in the first post is "yours", then you're admitting to plagiarizing the original. Not very smart.
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          • Profile picture of the author nmwf
            Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

            The author of the original article (assuming the article on InfoBarrel is the original article) is Tim Cook. He lives in the UK. According to your profile you live in Sacramento, CA.

            So, if the article in the first post is "yours", then you're admitting to plagiarizing the original. Not very smart.
            Ah - I see. IF... It's. Mine. IF... It. Isn't. That wasn't clear in your accusation of plagiarism, but I'm afraid you've led a few people to think that it is my article. I have admitted to nothing, yet salegurus sure is convinced!
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            • Profile picture of the author Cali16
              Originally Posted by nmwf View Post

              That wasn't clear in your accusation of plagiarism, but I'm afraid you've led a few people to think that it is my article.
              How the heck have I "led a few people" to think it's your article? That's nonsense. You're the one playing silly games with your "who, exactly, said it isn't mine?" That's on you, not me.

              I don't care who wrote the article. You asked how much people would pay for it. The version you posted above is an obviously plagiarized version of the one that Kay linked to on InfoBarrel. As I said initially, I wouldn't pay anything for plagiarized content.

              Not sure what your point is.
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              • Profile picture of the author nmwf
                Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

                Not sure what your point is.
                Hold on. I'm analyzing the responses...
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  • Profile picture of the author M3C
    It's pretty reasonable backend filler but I wouldn't put it anywhere near a decent site I had a long term future for.

    Nowadays, with the proliferation of cheap article writers who are effectively native English speaking, probably say $2-3 I guess.

    It just lacks style and feels mechanical, not fluid.
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  • Profile picture of the author TobiasThomsen
    About $5 i guess. The quality of the article, can't say much about that, since i don't know anything about your topic. But $5 seems reasonable for this kind of article.
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  • Profile picture of the author fantrom
    hey nmwf,

    You better wrap it up quick before this thread goes off the rails.
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    • Profile picture of the author nmwf
      Originally Posted by fantrom View Post

      hey nmwf,

      You better wrap it up quick before this thread goes off the rails.
      I'm trying! I'm trying!
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  • Profile picture of the author nmwf
    Alrighty then! There's good news and bad news.

    The bad news is that you've all been duped.

    From the responses so far, the average "worth" of this article is $1.05. But surprise, surprise: The article is actually "worth" $28.65 at .072 cents per word. And I'm sorry, but it's "Professional-quality writing ready for use."

    You can see for yourself at the link below (click "View Sample Text" at the five-star service level to see the article in question).

    http://bit.ly/1PaYlOY

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    So for the people who use that site and others just like it, that's what you're paying "top-dollar" for. That's what you believe is "Professional-quality writing ready for use" when you recommend that site and others just like it. And that's what you condone when you write for that site and others just like it.

    I.E. You pay $28.65 for, believe in, and condone writing that:

    • could be a little more detailed
    • feels like those God awful programs
    • feels mechanical
    • has no depth to the article
    • has no voice
    • has nothing there
    • is 100% worthless
    • is backend filler
    • is clearly written by someone other than a skin-care expert
    • is extremely bland
    • is far too spammy
    • is far too weak
    • is filler content
    • is not fluid
    • is somewhat short
    • just stuck phrases together
    • keyword stuffed
    • lacks research
    • lacks style
    • lacks the necessary scientific content
    • really just a glossary of a few buzzwords
    • really not a good article
    • stops short of giving me something valuable
    • what you get from ineedarticles
    • would take me about 15 minutes to type
    • wouldn't be published even if it was free
    • wouldn't be put it anywhere near a decent site

    For that reason and a bunch more, I stopped writing for that site and others just like it. The written work that I turned in far exceeded what you see in that example, yet the admins refused to advance me and other writers who wrote just as well as I wrote or better. I questioned the quality of that article at that site's forum, and it went ignored. I (and others) asked for specific quality control measures, and that too went ignored. So as long as you continue to support sites like that site and others just like it, that "type" of article remains the standard.

    And now for the good news.

    You can do your part to stop it.

    Stop buying it. Stop reading it. And stop writing it. I know it may be hard to, especially when you have bills to pay. But when you see what the reaction is (just look above), and you see how your funds, recommendations, and labor propounds the problem, you have to know that in your heart-of-hearts, you play a role in its creation every time you work for, hire from, or just simply recommend that that site and others just like it.

    But you can do your part to stop it. And that really is good news!
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by nmwf View Post

      Alrighty then! There's good news and bad news.

      The bad news is that you've all been duped.

      From the responses so far, the average "worth" of this article is $1.05. But surprise, surprise: The article is actually "worth" $28.65 at .072 cents per word. And I'm sorry, but it's "Professional-quality writing ready for use."
      You're confused on the definition of worth...

      Equivalent in value to the sum or item specified.
      Anything in this world is only worth, what another person is willing to pay. If you've found an idiot willing to pay $28.00 for keyword stuffing, well, you're a genius.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    $1.00 tops

    It's short, guessing 300 words - and is just a few buzz words as somebody said above

    No real user value there
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    Overall - pretty shitty article - so what's your point?
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    • Profile picture of the author nmwf
      Originally Posted by Jeff Lenney View Post

      so what's your point?
      If you can't see it, I can't show it.
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      • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        You're confused on the definition of worth...

        Anything in this world is only worth, what another person is willing to pay. If you've found an idiot willing to pay $28.00 for keyword stuffing, well, you're a genius.
        I thought he showed that people are paying that much for it, or have paid that much based on whatever site it was he linked to.

        There's people paying far more than that as well. I know a business owner that paid $150 per page on their website for garbage content.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

          I thought he showed that people are paying that much for it, or have paid that much based on whatever site it was he linked to.

          There's people paying far more than that as well. I know a business owner that paid $150 per page on their website for garbage content.
          Does the business owner also buy AOL CDs?
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          • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Does the business owner also buy AOL CDs?
            Not that I know of, but they pay $6,000+/mo on power. They spend $3,500/mo on phone lines and internet. They spend $4,000/mo on their lease.

            I'm talking about offline business owners. Not people on WF.

            In the real world out there, business owners are used to paying a lot of money for things, sometimes those things aren't worth what they pay.

            A $10/hr employee is $1,600/mo + their share of employment taxes.

            Some people are selling $100 websites, using the same templates as another company selling the same website for $4,000.

            The point here is that just because you think it's crap(I agree with you), doesn't mean that people aren't paying for it. Which... is the entire point of this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elvis Michael
    This shit brought me back to 2007 in so many ways.

    "There are many facial cleansers, eye creams, serums, etc etc that you can try..."

    - Such as?
    - How are those products good?
    - In what cases could they actually harm you?

    These are only some of the details those articles missed every single time.

    Lol, thanks for sharing this unfortunate blast from the past. Amazing how these articles were so common and widely accepted, even with such a lack of substance and no helpful details whatsoever.
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    • Profile picture of the author nmwf
      Originally Posted by Epic Passive Income View Post

      Lol, thanks for sharing this unfortunate blast from the past. Amazing how these articles were so common and widely accepted, even with such a lack of substance and no helpful details whatsoever.
      Unfortunately, that sample is a 2015 sample.
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  • Profile picture of the author gbarrows31
    So its about 500 words right? Well its in good form, Is well pronounced with rich content .. So id say 10.00 If i need it .. then I could spin it cus it had good bones..
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  • Profile picture of the author @tjr
    Didn't think the premise would end up going anywhere. Bravo
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    • Profile picture of the author nmwf
      Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

      Didn't think the premise would end up going anywhere. Bravo
      I was wondering where you were!
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  • Profile picture of the author chaitanyathengdi
    Hi, I didn't click on that link(I hate bit.ly).
    Although I'd say you just stopped short of trashing your own reputation. A few more posts and I'd have stopped caring about what lay ahead.

    This article was originally of 700 words, cut to half of 350.
    If the original article were the one in question, I wonder what people would give for that.

    Chaitanya
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    • Profile picture of the author nmwf
      Originally Posted by chaitanyathengdi View Post

      Although I'd say you just stopped short of trashing your own reputation.
      Care to explain that? My reputation has nothing to do with the topic.

      Originally Posted by chaitanyathengdi View Post

      This article was originally of 700 words, cut to half of 350.
      How do you know that? Are you the article's original author?
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      • Profile picture of the author chaitanyathengdi
        Originally Posted by nmwf View Post

        Care to explain that? My reputation has nothing to do with the topic.
        It's your thread, so it has.
        You didn't really try to stop people from assuming that the article in question isn't yours.
        Could you (please) elaborate why?
        This just made on me an impression that you were severely disappointed, and atleast expected $5 for that article.
        Originally Posted by ksummers View Post


        Anything to do with your signature?
        Not in the slightest.
        Oh really? Somehow, so far in the thread, I start doubting that.
        As kay pointed out this is not even your work... Why are you wasting everyone's time asking for opinions?
        Who, exactly, said it wasn't mine?
        See? Now you're just irritating others. A few more posts, and I won't bother.

        You should have brought the main post a lot sooner than you did. I fear a little bit of damage may have been done already. Good message though.
        Originally Posted by nmwf View Post

        How do you know that? Are you the article's original author?
        I just did what almost everyone else must have - compare the original with yours.
        And no, I'm not.

        Chaitanya
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        • Profile picture of the author @tjr
          Originally Posted by chaitanyathengdi View Post

          It's your thread, so it has.
          You didn't really try to stop people from assuming that the article in question isn't yours.

          This just made on me an impression that you were severely disappointed, and atleast expected $5 for that article.

          Oh really? Somehow, so far in the thread, I start doubting that.


          See? Now you're just irritating others. A few more posts, and I won't bother.

          You should have brought the main post a lot sooner than you did. I fear a little bit of damage may have been done already. Good message though.

          I just did what almost everyone else must have - compare the original with yours.
          And no, I'm not.

          Chaitanya
          I'm not OP so my assumptions can't be taken as gospel. But he waited as long as he did for the "meat" of the post to get a plethora of answers, which he used in his bullet list (slightly reworded as needed).


          Now, things got snippy. It's the Warrior Forum, they always do. Especially when writing like this comes about and it seems (on the surface) that the writing came about via plagiarism and there's a chance that the whole thing was a sig exposure ploy.

          Again, I'm not the guy who can say what is or isn't happening. Just explaining how and why it went down the way it did. Worst case scenario? It was a troll/sig exposure scandal.

          If that's the case, ignore the rest and take the "meat" post for the good point that it is. Maybe I'm feeling optimistic because I finally got a full night's sleep, but I don't think the worst case scenario is true here.
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          • Profile picture of the author chaitanyathengdi
            Originally Posted by @tjr View Post


            Now, things got snippy.
            Did they? If anyone feels I went overboard, I apologize.

            But I still think a different approach might have been better.

            Chaitanya
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            • Profile picture of the author @tjr
              Originally Posted by chaitanyathengdi View Post

              Did they? If anyone feels I went overboard, I apologize.

              But I still think a different approach might have been better.

              Chaitanya
              Not you specifically. I'm speaking on the tone/direction of the thread in my response.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            You wanted to know WHY people buy crap like this? Just read the responses in this thread. Look at those offering 'insight' who obviously didn't read the previous posts in the thread before weighing in.

            I think the market for this "type" of writing has increased in the past couple of years. The influx of ESL site owners - all targeting EFL countries has led to a plethora of sites with this sort of 'content'.

            It's in proper English and spelling is OK - and that's all some people know to look for. People who don't read - or who can't properly read in the language being used - have no clue what good writing is.

            I would never write for a content mill - nor would I buy articles from them. But I'm probably in the minority here on that stance.

            (Sorry, hit the 'post' button too quickly).....this article - and ones like it are FAR BETTER than much of the exceedingly poor content I see on many sites and blogs. THAT's why the market for this kind of work exists.
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  • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
    My head is spinning. I actually started out in cosmetology, got into skin care and sold skin care machines , spa equipment (when microdermabrasion machines were expensive LOL)

    I think the article was really boring and worthless...so generic.

    I guess people are paying for stuff like this....I guess the OP has some "new idea" they are pushing (what else is new)

    I don't understand why people don't write their own articles. I have seen good and interesting blogs with real people who write about their real life, interests, passions. Here we have people who try to figure out ways to get other people to write stuff for them. I don't get it
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      Originally Posted by Freebiequeen1999 View Post

      I guess the OP has some "new idea" they are pushing (what else is new)
      You managed to scroll "down here" to comment. Any reason why you didn't bother to read the sh** in the middle???
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    I'd pay around $5 and more if it brings in any sales
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    • Profile picture of the author chaitanyathengdi
      Originally Posted by nareshkush View Post

      My assumption is that this article was written by an English speaker. The length of the article is somewhat short.
      wish I could really participate, but I write my own content.
      Based on your post, I personally wouldn't want to hire you for ANY work at all.
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      • Profile picture of the author kmjyoti
        Article is so nice and give usefuI information, but we belong to web hosting company so this article would go for around $5 - 10.
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  • Profile picture of the author chaitanyathengdi
    Who consumes articles like this anyway?

    The website hosting this kind of content should die out eventually from too little or no traffic. Any guys that have tried to run these websites would realize this sooner or later.
    Then, what incentive is there for people to buy crap articles? Or do they not think that much at all?
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    • Profile picture of the author @tjr
      Originally Posted by chaitanyathengdi View Post

      Who consumes articles like this anyway?

      The website hosting this kind of content should die out eventually from too little or no traffic. Any guys that have tried to run these websites would realize this sooner or later.
      Then, what incentive is there for people to buy crap articles? Or do they not think that much at all?
      If you know the quote "there's one born every minute", the phenomena makes sense. Always another batch of newbies either looking for the easy way or who know no better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
    Thanks for the EFL comment Kay

    I know I sound like a nasty "merican...but hey...I prefer American English.

    I find it very annoying to see stilted, "funny" out of context writing. Yes, maybe the writers in other countries are cheaper but really who would read that junk? Yes, I don't speak any other languages so "good for them" that they try....but it does not mean I or any other sane American will "buy"

    I just had some looney toon text me today..."Good morning my dear. How is your lovely day">>>
    so glad I have metro block = it LOL

    I find it really tiresome. Tech, software, computer, design, graphics...yes ok...but writing content?

    Buying cheap hacked out spun out , spun again ? No wonder people don't go back to these "blogs", no wonder the emails do not get opened.
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    • Profile picture of the author chaitanyathengdi
      Originally Posted by Freebiequeen1999 View Post

      Yes, maybe the writers in other countries are cheaper but really who would read that junk? Yes, I don't speak any other languages so "good for them" that they try....but it does not mean I or any other sane American will "buy"
      It really hurts me that Americans think about us like this. There are good and bad in every country. You want proof? Go read YouTube comments.

      Base your opinions on the content, not on the country.

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  • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
    Too bad it was only worth 28 dollars I was willing to give you a 1 Million dollars for it... Too bad

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  • Profile picture of the author kk075
    I too away three things from this thread-

    1) I completely wasted my time giving detailed feedback while thinking I was helping an aspiring writer, so I'll be much less likely to do that in the future. While the original poster thought he was being witty, he ultimately just made this forum a little worse for his "stunt" to show that content mills suck. The same results could have been obtained by quoting the article and giving his reasoning in the original post.

    What happened instead though? The same folks that try to help newbies on a daily basis was told by the OP, "You got duped!" Well guess what- you got duped too. Because those same people you laughed at are not likely to go out of their way to help you ever again. And if they help others less as well; well, that's 100% on you. So you screwed over hundreds of future noobs in one foul swoop....grats on that.

    2) Since we're still getting price evaluations, I learned that a lot of the members here have a very limited attention to detail. The strange part is that most of these folks claim to come here to learn....yet they can't bother reading through a post that interests them. I think that summarizes the entire "why can't I make great money online" question that gets posted daily- it's a lack of commitment.

    3) Perhaps the most important thing I've learned here is how racist the world really is. Generally speaking, foreign writers are inferior to American writers when we're talking about US-based content. That's no secret. But when people take it a step further and say that nobody from outside the US can write at all, that's extremely insulting. And honestly, most of the people making those comments have signatures linking to their site with HORRIBLE CONTENT....yet they are bashing foreigners all the same.

    Besides, my go-to writer for whenever I'm in a true bind with my clients- he was born and raised in Romania. I've trained hundreds of writers, possibly even thousands, and I kept gravitating towards foreign writers for one simple reason. When I gave them advice, they really took it to heart and bent over backwards to improve their skills. American writers, on the other hand, hear one tiny bit of feedback and give up instantly...so it's BS to bash foreign writers. Americans (myself included) are lazy compared to workers in other countries and many here would be fortunate to have a fraction of the drive and determination of those "lousy foreigners".

    In summary, NMWF owes the community an apology for wasting their time trying to help him. Maybe his intentions were good, but the delivery was completely off and ultimately insulting. But some good could come from this thread anyway IF people realize that (1) it's not cool to bash other nationalities and (2) you'll never learn a darn thing if you can't bother to make a legitimate effort.

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    • Profile picture of the author nmwf
      Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

      1) I completely wasted my time giving detailed feedback while thinking I was helping an aspiring writer, so I'll be much less likely to do that in the future.
      Yes, it's always a good idea to ask questions and clarify things before acting on assumptions.

      Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

      While the original poster thought he was being witty, he ultimately just made this forum a little worse for his "stunt" to show that content mills suck.
      This is a very large forum. And this is a very small thread. I think you're exaggerating its effect.

      Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

      The same results could have been obtained by quoting the article and giving his reasoning in the original post.
      As such, your own rant could have been summed up with two words: "I'm mad!"

      Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

      Because those same people you laughed at are not likely to go out of their way to help you ever again.
      1. I haven't laughed at anything. WTF are you talking about?!?
      2. Nor have I asked for help!!! Ever!!!

      ::looking at you suspiciously::

      Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

      And if they help others less as well; well, that's 100% on you. So you screwed over hundreds of future noobs in one foul swoop....grats on that.
      Are you for real?? You actually think people will stop "helping" others because of little ol' me? Well I must be more powerful than... than...

      THE WARRIOR GOD
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      "Here she is to ruin your daaaaaaaay"

      Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

      3) Perhaps the most important thing I've learned here is how racist the world really is.
      I disagree. I think you learned something else FAR MORE important. Don't wanna share? That's cool.

      Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

      In summary, NMWF owes the community an apology for wasting their time trying to help him.
      Didn't ask for help.

      Details.

      Remember?
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    Ooh. This is getting fun.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

      2) Since we're still getting price evaluations, I learned that a lot of the members here have a very limited attention to detail. The strange part is that most of these folks claim to come here to learn....yet they can't bother reading through a post that interests them. I think that summarizes the entire "why can't I make great money online" question that gets posted daily- it's a lack of commitment.
      Many of the people in this group don't lack attention to detail. They simply don't care. At least these people are responding to the first post. It's not hard to find people responding to the subject line without actually reading the original post. What they care about is getting that "make a trillion dollars in 30 seconds with no work" sig line seen. Or they're still under the illusion that sig links from here still have value as backlinks.

      Originally Posted by kk075 View Post

      3) Perhaps the most important thing I've learned here is how racist the world really is. Generally speaking, foreign writers are inferior to American writers when we're talking about US-based content. That's no secret. But when people take it a step further and say that nobody from outside the US can write at all, that's extremely insulting. And honestly, most of the people making those comments have signatures linking to their site with HORRIBLE CONTENT....yet they are bashing foreigners all the same.
      You're using a pretty broad brush there, my friend. In communicating with many EFL types from many parts of the globe, I find the biggest obstacle many of these folks have when it comes to writing American English is that most Americans speak it so poorly. Add in the immense and ever-changing pool of slang, and the task is nigh to impossible when you learned the language with proper spelling and grammar.

      Those challenges aren't limited to Americans, either. Once, on a cruise ship, I overheard (read 'eavesdropped') on a conversation between a fellow from a certain London neighborhood and a fellow from Manchester in England. I'm not sure what language they speaking, but it wasn't the English I grew up with. It was almost as funny as listening to a Texan arguing with someone from New England. Talk about "people separated by a common language..."

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    • Profile picture of the author Improbable
      Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

      Ooh. This is getting fun.

      Yeah it is - helluvan eye opener for a newb like me. Myself, I though nmwf was running a tease: being playful. Not my own style, but I can appreciate it.
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  • Profile picture of the author fantrom
    Ooh my Lordy... it did go off the rails.

    * Runs to get some popcorn.
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    • Profile picture of the author nmwf
      Originally Posted by fantrom View Post

      Ooh my Lordy... it did go off the rails.

      * Runs to get some popcorn.
      Well, you certainly called it!
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      • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
        Actually article content price is " hard to give a judge "

        for an example I on health and fitness.
        I have seem good quality ones also average one and bad ones..

        ( the main content of health and fitness there are the main content will be always there )

        the content just twist here and there....add some more words to make it like more in depth.

        I go ezarticle also browse around all the style of writing is roughly the same

        even you go bodybuilding .com etc establish site the style also the same

        just like news site ....
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        • Profile picture of the author @tjr
          Originally Posted by Devilfish168 View Post

          Actually article content price is " hard to give a judge "

          for an example I on health and fitness.
          I have seem good quality ones also average one and bad ones..

          ( the main content of health and fitness there are the main content will be always there )

          the content just twist here and there....add some more words to make it like more in depth.

          I go ezarticle also browse around all the style of writing is roughly the same

          even you go bodybuilding .com etc establish site the style also the same

          just like news site ....
          Yeah what this guy...wait what are you saying?
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          • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
            Originally Posted by Devilfish168 View Post

            Actually article content price is " hard to give a judge "

            for an example I on health and fitness.
            I have seem good quality ones also average one and bad ones..

            ( the main content of health and fitness there are the main content will be always there )

            the content just twist here and there....add some more words to make it like more in depth.

            I go ezarticle also browse around all the style of writing is roughly the same

            even you go bodybuilding .com etc establish site the style also the same

            just like news site ....
            Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

            Yeah what this guy...wait what are you saying?
            lol it sounds like it should make sense... Wait let me drink some of this Tequila................. Let me read it again ooohh makes perfect sense now
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            Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

            Yeah what this guy...wait what are you saying?
            I think he's saying you can't judge a fish by its elbow.
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  • Profile picture of the author FreedomBlogger
    I would say .... $1 at the most! lol

    It doesn't look like a good article. It is not unique and it is boring to read.

    It just looks like a generic PLR article!

    This is the type of article you could even download for free online. I wouldn't even play with it.

    Just my 2cents!

    You asked! lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Craigcmatthew
    Textbroker must be great for writers if you can get $28 for that shizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. It's a 700-word and can be spruced up a bit with images, it's really not that bad. If you've ever hired freelance writers, this is the standard quality you can expect.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidclarkny
    I usually pay $1 for article like this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    nmwf,

    First, I dig the thread & how it all unfolded. But, I've been around long enough that I don't assume that every question posted is from a newbie dying for help.

    Second, I also see how some more experienced members were suspicious of possible plagiarism. Especially given the lack of detail up front. And I appreciate how they brought the potential issue up without getting too hostile before they had all the facts. Just putting it on people's radar and generally looking out.

    Finally, out of curiosity how much would you charge for an article that meets your definition of 5-Star ready to use content? I ask, because to answer your question in the OP I would pay exactly $0 for that article. It's not even worth the effort to touch it up or spin. However, I have an idea how much you & other high quality writers would charge, as well as how seriously a lot of people who buy content take their "businesses". That disconnect is what keeps these content mills viable.

    Perhaps those who got their knickers in a twist prefer the "Death of (Insert any IM related topic here)", "Is ____ still profitable", "How much money do you make?" type threads. Or perhaps the years old threads that people dig up so they can post a one or two liner and get their sig file seen.
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    • Profile picture of the author nmwf
      Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

      First, I dig the thread & how it all unfolded.
      Thank you, particularly for using the term, "dig."

      Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

      But, I've been around long enough that I don't assume that every question posted is from a newbie dying for help.
      That's a very smart thing to do, especially after considering there's a super-simple way to learn more about each person that posts here.

      Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

      Second, I also see how some more experienced members were suspicious of possible plagiarism. Especially given the lack of detail up front. And I appreciate how they brought the potential issue up without getting too hostile before they had all the facts. Just putting it on people's radar and generally looking out.
      Well, it's unfortunate that someone put a direct link and name to the article-image because both will show up in search engines -- right along with suggestions of plagiarism and the accompanying insults. I tried to avoid that, of course, by posting just the image of the article and a bitly link in the first place, but it apparently didn't help.

      Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

      Finally, out of curiosity how much would you charge for an article that meets your definition of 5-Star ready to use content?
      I'll scream it until I'm blue in the face (and that will take a lot of screaming since I'm African-American)! I would pay or sell at the prices set here: Writers and Authors : Occupational Outlook Handbook: : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

      But then there's the question of what constitutes a 5-star article in the first place. And that part, I think, is (unfairly) subjective. My 5-star significantly differs from that site's 5-star (and the other sites just like it). Still, I tend to favor content that resembles the material in published books and magazines.

      Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

      However, I have an idea how much you & other high quality writers would charge, as well as how seriously a lot of people who buy content take their "businesses". That disconnect is what keeps these content mills viable.
      Interesting analysis. A disconnect.

      I like that!
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  • Profile picture of the author chaitanyathengdi
    If only they knew any better, they'd save/make so much more.
    Selling yourself short just because you think there is no potential is just sad.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnRees
    Quality of this article is amazing comparatively, would be such a shame if you got underpaid for it..
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      amazing comparatively
      Compared to a blank page???
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  • Profile picture of the author austria
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    I wouldn´t pay anything for this.

    Article marketing is not a fast way to get large amounts of cash income.

    Article marketing was hit heavily by the Google Panda updates few years ago
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  • Profile picture of the author arif456
    If it's for just a blog post then I would pay $0.9 but if it's for promoting a product or service ( just by placing a link below the article ) I would pay nothing...
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  • Profile picture of the author tonyalpha
    Damn, I thought it's worth $3. But I think that's how business works. As long as something is valuable (subjective) and affordable (again, subjective) to someone, they'll just happily reach into their pocket. Beautiful world.
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  • Profile picture of the author nocturnal911
    I would get this article for $3 from my writer
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Seems to me that there are many markets in the world of writing.

      Each with its own value, established by buyers and sellers.

      The OP played in the cheap market, tried to teach people about value... But value is based on the whole of the sellers and buyers in the market, in general, then, in particular, even within the same market, some buyer will suddenly feel like something has a lot more value than other people think.

      I'll make it easier for you, I'll talk about real estate.

      All of you know neighborhoods where a 2k square foot house sells for little and a neighborhood or two only some 10 miles away, where the same house, in the same condition will sell for 5 or 6 times more.

      Specifically, in my area, there are houses you buy for $75k in on place and for $575k in another... The places are about 12 miles apart.

      Whether you're talking the cheap or the rich neighborhood, sometimes, you have a mother that's buying a home next to her son, and willing to pay extra... no matter what the appraiser asks...

      In real estate, there are appraisers and, assuming an honest and good appraiser, you can get a good idea of the value of any given house.

      In writing there isn't.

      Back to writing, people who bought into "Google wants fresh content" and think they need 20 articles a week, just to not piss Google off, will buy articles just good enough to not piss Google off. They, and the writers who sell to them, are one market.

      Then, there's the market of those who want lots of content, for the same reasons, but think they are superior in some way, and they show superiority by paying more (not by getting better quality).

      (Happens in all areas of life... Case in point, when I was in college, my brother, who was also in college and broke like me, bought the expensive version of the cereal I bought...

      I asked him why. He said if he paid more he knew he was getting better quality....

      I showed him the ingredients, they were identical. The only difference was the packaging... cheap-looking (2 colors, no graphics) for the cheap one, many colorful graphics on the expensive one).

      The OP played in that market and didn't like it. Wanted / wants to reconfigure the market.

      To make it more like the market of the New Yorker, where people get paid hundreds, if not thousands, for a article of similar length (depending on departments... submarkets?)

      The OP is missing the part that, for some business owners, spending $28 for an article worth $4 would require them to spend extra time on getting the quality they are paying for and, at their hourly rate, it costs more to investigate than just accept that they might not get their $28-worth of writing.

      Overall, though in the beginning I had doubts about the OP, I don't mind the approach, and enjoyed the results ensuing from the original post and strategy.

      And I am endlessly amazed by the high number of people who would buy what the OP posted thinking it's good quality.

      Though I decry poor writing just as much as the OP, I think the proper response is what the OP ended up doing: taking the
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  • Shitty article, some sentences are way too long. If my writer gave me that I would sack him. My writer gives me articles that are 10x better than that for $4 per 500 words.
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