Fake It Until You Make It?

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Hi, all. I need some advice. You know how everybody in the MMO market says stuff like 'earn X dollars in Y days/weeks'? Sometimes they are capable of backing up that claim with screenshots. But what do I do, when I am just starting out? How do I deliver convincing proof if I don't have any yet? Especially when I don't want to lie?
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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    Proof of what?

    Go out and make some money. By the time you've got enough results to be a decent teacher, you may decide you would rather keep earning than trying to teach.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Screenshots can be faked, too.

    And if they're promising to make you a zillionaire with no work and from a $17 investment, well, you ought to have some common sense reactions to that, shouldn't you.

    Find people who have a problem.

    Offer them a solution you know that works.

    Affiliate products can be a good alternative in this situation, because now the burden of proof is on the seller.

    However, the proof issue is--I assure you--more in your mind than your customer's.

    Evidence of competency is shown in how well you lay out your explanation of the problem, and describe your solution.
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  • Profile picture of the author sogeshirts
    Yeah it doesn't sound like you are ready to sell something. Leverage an experienced marketer's expertise by promoting a good affiliate product that they sell. Just shoot them a quick message about how you are new, and would like to promote.
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    • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
      hey there, everyone has to start somewhere and your just starting out from what I can gather...so be positive and go make some money. Like other people have said in this thread, leverage product owners sales pages and income proof as an affiliate.


      When your making some good money as an affiliate you could then possibly think about product creation and show people real results from what you have learned. You would also be showing people the truth and helping people.


      Keep at it, have a good day!
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Woh! That thread headline will get you a lot of attention. It's like 'fingernails' on a chalkboard to many people here.

      That's the dilemma most new internet marketers face for sure. When you start out "cold" with no rep, proof, or juice -- you basically only have 3 choices.
      • Create or discover a niche product or service idea so unique it kicks in the door and demonstrates credibility on its own - to a specific untapped niche market.
      • You hook-up with someone else whose done the above and ride their coat tails. ie. JV partnership, affiliate program, etc.
      • Or a combination of both.
      Then you simply gut it out and continue to build on one or all of the above steps. The ones who can will succeed and those who can't becomes another statistic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Charles E. White
      First off, don't become something you are not. You do want to have confidence but you don't want to add a lot of B.S.. We have too much of that already in marketing.

      Learn something-become an authority in a niche. You are not alone my friend. A lot of marketers have wanted to become an authority too fast. I for one wrote an eBook about eBay when I first started out. I had sold a lot on eBay, became a platinum powerseller within 90 days and wrote an ebook about it. That was a mistake! I sold the ebook but also got a hell of a lot of refund requests. I didn't quite know what I thought I knew or I didn't know how to write the ebook properly.

      You hear about all the internet marketers who become an overnight success. Let me tell you this, most of it is B.S. The successful people I know took their time as it takes time to become a success and to know what you are doing. When you first start your project, it doesn't have to be perfect but it does have to be honest.

      Take you time! The money will come as you learn and so will your success.

      Oh yeah, one other thing.....don't jump from one thing to another thinking it is better........"Stay Focused".

      A friend of mine named Willie Crawford gave me that advice when I first started out and it was some of the best advice I ever got.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Goff
    Please don't aspire to be a fake guru!

    Like most of the other comments, you need to know what you have to offer. Instead of a full blown "system", just focus on what you do better than anybody else. Do you write killer emails? Have a twist on exit pops that works better than anyone else's? Turn that into a micro product and either market it as a standalone, or team up with a more established marketer to promote it as an upsell, etc.

    You can also do a "humble guru" approach. If you are making at least some money, then just price your system accordingly, and market it with a "tired of all the fake guru pitches?" pitch. Modest price, modest income claims.

    Be prepared to fail. Fail until you make it, not fake it until you make it.

    Most importantly, be genuine. A little hype goes a long way, but being your authentic self will resonate with people, and you'll be happier in the long run as well.

    Best of luck.
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  • If you are in the US don't' fake it or you can go to jail! Just my 2 cents in the US they don't play games so be careful with any claims you make in other countries there is less to worry I can see more faking outside of the US.
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  • Profile picture of the author JC Web
    Originally Posted by wadevanlaius View Post

    Hi, all. I need some advice. You know how everybody in the MMO market says stuff like 'earn X dollars in Y days/weeks'? Sometimes they are capable of backing up that claim with screenshots. But what do I do, when I am just starting out? How do I deliver convincing proof if I don't have any yet? Especially when I don't want to lie?
    The simple answer is, you don't and you shouldn't. You should not be trying to convince anyone you've made money you haven't made or that you can teach them to make money when you don't yet know how to make money yourself. Don't scam people. Don't fake it. Learn how to make money and actually do it.

    Until you have had significant, repeated, and sustained success, don't even think about teaching anyone else or selling them a product that claims to show them how to make that kind of money for themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Reed
    Sometimes you really do need to "fake it til ya make it".

    For example, coaches that are experts in their field but then move into the coaching realm may need to fake it a bit until they build their customer base. Nobody really wants to book with a coach when they see that their online appointment schedule is a 100% open.

    It's like walking into the restaurant and being the only one there. The chef may be a 5-star guy but you still need to see others eating his food before you want to take a seat.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Here's a tip, the world is fake it until you make it.
    • Do you really think Papa Johns Pizza has fresher ingredients?
    • Do you really think political campaigns are telling the truth?
    • Do you really think Brian Williams hangs out with SEAL Team Six?

    Git-R-Done.
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  • Profile picture of the author wadevanlaius
    Wow - thanks for all that advice. I am in fact trying to promote an affiliate product and am sort of experimenting with a pre-sell to a group of people with a particular problem. I am doing this using my own site, since I want to collect their email addresses first. The product vendor has a pretty good site set up and offers proof himself.

    The product works for this group of people as well as for anybody else, they just haven't been targeted specifically. I am still testing how to best reach them, which is why I can't claim to have made my first $10,000 or whatever. I am just looking for something to really get their attention and click on my affiliate link without having to tell blatant lies.

    But maybe the proof issue is more in my mind than in my customers. I can't really tell yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author kevineverett
    If you know more than the people you plan to teach then you are not faking it are you. For instance, if you know how to set up a Wordpress blog, you can teach those who do not know. That is not faking it. Just start out by setting your sights a bit lower and be real to yourself and your potential customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Miguelito203
    Originally Posted by wadevanlaius View Post

    Hi, all. I need some advice. You know how everybody in the MMO market says stuff like 'earn X dollars in Y days/weeks'? Sometimes they are capable of backing up that claim with screenshots. But what do I do, when I am just starting out? How do I deliver convincing proof if I don't have any yet? Especially when I don't want to lie?
    The answer to your question is simple. You don't start out in the MMO niche. You start out in a niche outside of that. When you have some success going through a particular MMO program, then you might want to tell people about it -- kind of like documenting your journey as a newbie (good idea to document stuff as you go along -- especially if it turns out to work). You won't remember everything if over the course of a few months (can take that long even after you've found something legit).

    Joey
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    I think the problem for the most part is the understanding of 'fake it till you make it'.

    It is just an opinion and everyone will have one but I don't think it means:

    "Pretend you are making millions and then tell people how to do the same."

    One, you won't be any good at telling people how to make money - nevermind online, there is no difference to making money online or off just the medium of communication - you still need to SELL something and if you can't sell - how are you going to tell people how to do it?

    Here is how to use the fake it till you make it.

    Fake it in terms of YOUR ACTIONS.

    What DO successful people do?

    How do THEY dress?

    How do THEY act?

    Start BECOMING successful and start reading the books, taking the courses and as Jim Rohn would say:

    "Work harder on yourself than you do your job!"

    I don't know why the MMO industry has people thinking "I will just tell people how to make money if though I am not!" - you wouldn't do it offline.

    It is like saying: "How can i act like a good mechanic of cars when i have never even worked on an engine before!"

    Pick something YOU want to be good at and GET GOOD at it through desire, discipline and direct action THEN once you get good you can tell people how you did it.

    No shortcuts, no excuses,

    Just my 2 shillings,

    All the best,

    Chris Jones
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Here is a screenshot of my PayPal account. I can make you rich in 30 days. Just PM me for my plan!

      Cheers. - Frank

      P.S. Screenshots never lie. There are on the Internet, so they have to be true. It's a law.

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  • Profile picture of the author mdjewelkhan1992
    Originally Posted by wadevanlaius View Post

    Sometimes they are capable of backing up that claim with screenshots.
    It is not important the Screenshot. Because the Screenshot may not true. By the help of Photoshop, one can make any kinds of such images. So just go ahead on the right way. best of luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Just be straightforward and forthright when it comes to earnings -- try to demonstrate superiority, proficiency and skill instead -- with that comes authority, and with authority you'll eventually be able to generate the kind of money you aspire to on the internet.

    Besides, platforms like the Warrior Forum are not really allowing you to make income claims in your offer anymore, so your assertion that you need to generate monetary proof in order to be successful is moot.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      Besides, platforms like the Warrior Forum are not really allowing you to make income claims in your offer anymore,
      You must not be paying close attention to the WSO's these days. Income claims are rampant.

      Cheers. - Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        I know they've tightened the rules recently (especially when posting inside the forum as opposed to placing it on an external page), and besides there is plenty of latitude to go against the grain and not market just like these "me too" type of marketers who only know how to use income proof to make their WSOs a success.

        What I'm referring to by income claims are those silly and overused income proof screenshots which can be easily faked -- they're not allowed anymore, at least not in the WSO forum.

        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        You must not be paying close attention to the WSO's these days. Income claims are rampant.

        Cheers. - Frank
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

          and besides there is plenty of latitude to go against the grain and not market just like these "me too" type of marketers who only know how to use income proof to make their WSOs a success.
          People tend to emulate based on their perception of what works. There are very few 'original thinkers' out there. More like, 'monkey-see, monkey-do.' lol

          Cheers. - Frank
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          • Profile picture of the author paulie888
            True, I guess that will weed out the casual person just looking to make some money online without any other bigger or deeper objective in mind -- which is good for this industry in the long run.

            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            People tend to emulate based on their perception of what works. There are very few 'original thinkers' out there. More like, 'monkey-see, monkey-do.' lol

            Cheers. - Frank
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