Prove me wrong please because I am close to live on the street :(

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Hi, I am not trolling, I got a series of very unlucky events in the last 2 years and without telling you all my sob story, my marriage recently collapsed (we divorced) and I am basically close to get evicted from this place because I cannot pay the bills for much longer.

I tried many different approach to internet marketing but it has been mainly a waste of money.

Facebook ads campaigns were the worst, I did not make $1.

I got accounts everywhere: CJ, ShareaSale, ClickBooth, ClickBank, etc. but I cannot find the way to earn more than what I spend to run the ads.

I never liked shady offers so I never advertised "work from home" or other bogus products/services because I never wanted (and never will) to cheat anyone. I only wanted to sell good products/services, stuff that people were happy to buy or at least I was hoping so.

Adding the fact that I see all the time too many "successful?" marketers selling their miracle strategy to earn this or that (so why do they need to sell courses if they are so successful? Oh sure...to make more money you say? Whatever, it may be, but my confidence is like that one of someone about to jump under a bridge.

Do you really make money running affiliate campaigns? Honestly?

If anyone can guide me a bit I will be very happy to learn but my dollars are running out.

Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexandre Valois
    Originally Posted by MoneyManager View Post


    I never liked shady offers so I never advertised "work from home" or other bogus products/services because I never wanted (and never will) to cheat anyone. I only wanted to sell good products/services, stuff that people were happy to buy or at least I was hoping so.

    Adding the fact that I see all the time too many "successful?" marketers selling their miracle strategy to earn this or that (so why do they need to sell courses if they are so successful? Oh sure...to make more money you say? Whatever, it may be, but my confidence is like that one of someone about to jump under a bridge.

    Do you really make money running affiliate campaigns? Honestly?

    Thank you
    Nope, everyone on the warrior forum is full of it.

    Even the guy calling himself money manager who's about to be evicted because he can't pay his bills.

    On a more serious note... if you haven't made a dime yet, you won't. Internet marketing isn't going to save you. Go find a job if you don't already have one, pick up some skills and scout craigslist for gigs you can do.

    Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author webproishere
      Originally Posted by Alexandre Valois View Post

      Nope, everyone on the warrior forum is full of it.

      Even the guy calling himself money manager who's about to be evicted because he can't pay his bills.

      On a more serious note... if you haven't made a dime yet, you won't. Internet marketing isn't going to save you. Go find a job if you don't already have one, pick up some skills and scout craigslist for gigs you can do.

      Good luck.
      T'es chien Alex lol


      I'm kinda shocked ? No cash and you've been doing this for 3 years ? I guess Alex is right!
      It's not for everyone...

      Good luck in your next venture.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Sorry to hear of your tough situation.

    It's even tougher because you are coming into a den of people selling "bogus" or "shady" products looking for advice.

    If I told you I earn about $1,000 a day would that help? What would you do differently?

    Likewise if I told you I have earned $100 total over the last 10 years would that help? What would you do differently?

    My point is that you really can't believe much of anyone despite asking sincerely for honesty.

    It also doesn't really matter what someone else can do - only what you can do.

    For example, I don't have any reason to not believe one guy on this forum that says he makes $400,000 (I believe that was the number) a year. But that doesn't really effect me because for every one like him there are 100 (or 1000 or 10,000) stories like yours.

    Also if you believe the make money online products are shady or bogus why take advice from them?

    With what little you've given anyone to work with, I'll give 2 suggestions that I think would apply no matter what the details are.

    1. Find a source of more stable income such as a job. Being homeless isn't fun. Not having anything to eat isn't what you should be shooting for. Find a way to get some stability in a "real" income and let your spirit heal a little. If you can get some consistent money coming in that will help in all aspects of your life - emotionally, financially, physically, etc.

    2. Take a hard look at what you've been doing online and admit to yourself it isn't working. As you earn a steady income, work on the online piece as you can. Do your research. Avoid the fakers. Build something that can eventually replace, if you choose, your employment income. Avoid all the shady opportunities (and make money online products are nowhere close to being as shady as tons of other things out there). Build something legitimate that you can be proud of.

    Good luck.

    Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Hey MoneyManager,
      Do not get too overwhelmed as many people here and everywhere have been in dire straits one way or the other.

      If you live to be a certain age you will see those dark times.

      It is just inevitable. So I hope that provides some consolation in that many of us can relate to you.

      That being said I would definitely seek a regular type of Employment and do this on the side and just build up over time.

      Do not continue to put yourself in a financial bind where you are trying to desperately make this work.

      In the stock market we call that " scared money"

      It usually does not work contrary to what many say.

      You need to have a backup and regular employment will provide that for right now.



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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      2. Take a hard look at what you've been doing online
      You posted in April that you have a 200k opt-in mailing list with a 60% open rate....you were asking for a cheaper way than MailChimp to manage your list.

      You were sending a "newsletter" and in that thread people told you monetize that list - send promotions - send sales links - sell to them.

      But mostly in that thread you ignored those saying "SELL TO YOUR LIST" as you focused only on finding a cheaper autoresponder...

      If you have that list - WORK IT - had you done that beginning last spring I think you'd be in better financial shape now.
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      • Profile picture of the author tyronne78
        Kay is right. I would of worked the hell out of that 200k email list. If that list is half-way decent you got a solid foundation to build a business on.
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        You posted in April that you have a 200k opt-in mailing list with a 60% open rate....you were asking for a cheaper way than MailChimp to manage your list.

        You were sending a "newsletter" and in that thread people told you monetize that list - send promotions - send sales links - sell to them.

        But mostly in that thread you ignored those saying "SELL TO YOUR LIST" as you focused only on finding a cheaper autoresponder...

        If you have that list - WORK IT - had you done that beginning last spring I think you'd be in better financial shape now.
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  • Profile picture of the author DWaters
    My first idea is to work on developinga very positive attitude toward your life and toward building a successful business. Spend some time on the Mind Warrior section of this forum or visit thesecret.tv


    My second idea is to follow Kay King's advice above.


    Best Wishes!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    Yup. I make money with affiliate promotions every single day and with only about 30 minutes of work, if that (one email to a segment of my list and a couple of new ad listings).

    My main business is offline marketing related, but I don't need to do much there anymore as everything is outsourced completely.

    But my affiliate marketing "experiment" (I really should quit calling it that by now), has been fun and profitable from the beginning.

    I can tell you this much...

    Begin building a list immediately if you haven't already, and don't think that you need to reach a certain number of subscribers before you'll see any money. You can make money with a list really fast.

    I think I had 12 subscribers total and made my first commission through them on day three when I started. One of them made a purchase through my link with no bonuses offered.

    You do need to make sure you're not filling your list with just a bunch of freeloaders. You'll get some of those no matter what, but it will be a mixed bag you can segment. Drive quality traffic through ads or go the free route if you are on a super tight budget - classified ads, YouTube, Twitter, Pinterest, Instagram...

    I wouldn't go with Facebook ads at first, but you've already been there and done that, so...

    Some people advise mastering one traffic source at a time, but not me. I believe you should try several at once and then scale the one (or however many) that is working for the type of products you are promoting. It's discouraging to spend a lot of energy on one traffic source that won't work and never will for what you are promoting. You should be testing as many traffic sources as possible, imo, and early on in the game so you don't get stuck.

    Edited to Add: Just read Kay's post. You have a 200k list and you're asking if affiliate marketing works???
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    • Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

      Yup. I make money with affiliate promotions every single day and with only about 30 minutes of work, if that (one email to a segment of my list and a couple of new ad listings).

      My main business is offline marketing related, but I don't need to do much there anymore as everything is outsourced completely.

      But my affiliate marketing "experiment" (I really should quit calling it that by now), has been fun and profitable from the beginning.

      I can tell you this much...

      Begin building a list immediately if you haven't already, and don't think that you need to reach a certain number of subscribers before you'll see any money. You can make money with a list really fast.

      I think I had 12 subscribers total and made my first commission through them on day three when I started. One of them made a purchase through my link with no bonuses offered.

      You do need to make sure you're not filling your list with just a bunch of freeloaders. You'll get some of those no matter what, but it will be a mixed bag you can segment. Drive quality traffic through ads or go the free route if you are on a super tight budget - classified ads, YouTube, Twitter, Pinterest, Instagram...

      I wouldn't go with Facebook ads at first, but you've already been there and done that, so...

      Some people advise mastering one traffic source at a time, but not me. I believe you should try several at once and then scale the one (or however many) that is working for the type of products you are promoting. It's discouraging to spend a lot of energy on one traffic source that won't work and never will for what you are promoting. You should be testing as many traffic sources as possible, imo, and early on in the game so you don't get stuck.

      Edited to Add: Just read Kay's post. You have a 200k list and you're asking if affiliate marketing works???
      So how exactly does one build this "list" that so many have been talking about here in this forum for so long? That is something I've never been into and never saw anyone even talking about until joining this forum. What software should one use? Should it be this AWeber I have seen some using, or perhaps some other software? Exactly what steps should one take to build this list? I must say, it's a bit embarrassing to be someone who knows nothing at all about building this list around here, where it seems the "list" is practically rule #1 the way people talk about it. I guess perhaps it is...
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  • You should focus on saving money first. Seriously its crazy that you spent more than you can handle. I never run campaigns without a website. That just never made sense to me.

    Do not touch your computer at all for like 5 months just read 1 book a month. Stay away from making money online.
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  • Profile picture of the author easternwawoman
    Get a $15/hr job at McD's in Los Angeles or Seattle? How close are you to the edge? Rent a room? What can you do? What's a skill that you have?
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      Originally Posted by easternwawoman View Post

      Get a $15/hr job at McD's in Los Angeles or Seattle? How close are you to the edge? Rent a room? What can you do? What's a skill that you have?
      $15 an hour job at McDonald's in Seattle?
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  • Profile picture of the author florenceki
    I am sorry to hear this. But if you want quick fix on your current situation, I think the best way is to get yourself a job. For newbie, making money online is not as easy as you think. It is the same as doing conventional offline business. You need time, effort and even money invested to make it work.


    It is neither about how good is your website nor how massive is your traffic. We are talking about real strategies to sell. It's all about marketing and tonnes of strategies to make a business work.


    Think about it. If it is difficult to earn money from a conventional offline business, then it is 100 times tougher to earn online as you are competing with the global market. However, if you can find the "tipping point" of doing business online, then the sky is the limit.


    I am currently under employment and at the same time exploring business online. Am doing at my own pace while having a stable income from employment. I think you should do the same.


    However, If you are heavily in debt, I would suggest that you get help from your government. I am sure they do have some debt restructuring plan for the citizen. Of course, at the same time, you need to get a job with stable income.


    Hope this helps.


    Hope this help.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    I just read your April post Kay referenced...

    The big question is this: What happened to your 200k list?
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    • Profile picture of the author MoneyManager
      Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

      I just read your April post Kay referenced...

      The big question is this: What happened to your 200k list?
      The list is still there, I did not find a good product for that list which is in a very niche area (online trading) but not in English, which makes it very difficult to find decent products, other than the usual unregulated binary options which I don't want to deal with because I find them very cheating.

      Those people trust me, know my real name and I don't want to let them down with crappy products.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Those people trust me, know my real name and I don't want to let them down with crappy products.
        You need to change your mindset. You have a huge list of "friends"????? If that's the case - tell them you are broke and ask for donations....j/k

        You have a list you say is interactive - in the field of money management - and you are broke because you can't find a product to sell them. Why haven't you CREATED a product to sell them?

        What if you created an "insider group" by offering your list a chance to join a special forum or site where you provide "great info and ideas" regularly - reviews of 'money products' etc.

        What if your predicted 60% (of a 200k list) opened the emails...that's 120k people. What if ONE PERCENT of them (1200) joined your new site or forum or newsletter at a whopping $5/month for membership????

        Would $6k a month help? You say you have a huge resource (your list) - if you don't use it to save yourself - no one else can save you.
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        • Profile picture of the author MoneyManager
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          You need to change your mindset. You have a huge list of "friends"????? If that's the case - tell them you are broke and ask for donations....j/k

          You have a list you say is interactive - in the field of money management - and you are broke because you can't find a product to sell them. Why haven't you CREATED a product to sell them?

          What if you created an "insider group" by offering your list a chance to join a special forum or site where you provide "great info and ideas" regularly - reviews of 'money products' etc.

          What if your predicted 60% (of a 200k list) opened the emails...that's 120k people. What if ONE PERCENT of them (1200) joined your new site or forum or newsletter at a whopping $5/month for membership????

          Would $6k a month help? You say you have a huge resource (your list) - if you don't use it to save yourself - no one else can save you.

          well, money/wealth management requires authorizations here and I don't have them, because the system is different from the U.S. where over there anyone (in most U.S. States) can do it as long as manages under $25,000,000 and/or less than few clients.

          I was a Money Manager in the past, in another Country, that's why my username, which really I should change now, but not sure if I can.

          Giving stocks tips or advice on the contrary may be an idea and I have used in the past with decent success. Then why am I broke you may ask? Because the markets are not easy, you make one mistake and most people turn the back on you and every one makes a mistake soon or later, even Buffett last year got a hit on Tesco. So in order to avoid a disaster you need to diversify and that means you need either a huge amount of money to start with or take very high risk with leverage, which in turn can wipe out your whole capital. To make a long story short, I had no huge capital and did not want to take huge risks, plus the competition in my niche is huge.

          The moment you stop feeding them awesome stocks, they go somewhere else and many are old emails, we are talking up to 15 years ago. I don't even know if some check their email at all.

          I would say that more than likely by now only 5% of my list would be interested in opening the newsletter. Then out of that 5% (10K) I would think that only a tiny 5% would pay something in the low range like a $10 membership per month. So we are looking at $2,500 per month (before taxes) which would be decent for sure.

          The thing is, I wanted to try something new on a different niche because I am tired of the hysteria of many people over their investments. You may not have had experience in dealing with someone else's money, I did and it's very very very stressful. You need to work 12 - 14 hours each day and like I said, it only takes 1 mistake for them to go nuts.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            I don't even know if some check their email at all.
            That's the problem on a forum - stories change. Yes, I understand the vagaries of financial markets and financial managers have high stress jobds.

            But less than 4 months ago YOU posted about a 60% open rate. I was offering suggestions based on your statements about your list. If that's not the case, the advice was a waste of time.

            From what you say here seems the list is not responsive - and if you are still paying to mail to it....why would you?
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            • Profile picture of the author MoneyManager
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              That's the problem on a forum - stories change. Yes, I understand the vagaries of financial markets and financial managers have high stress jobds.

              But less than 4 months ago YOU posted about a 60% open rate. I was offering suggestions based on your statements about your list. If that's not the case, the advice was a waste of time.

              From what you say here seems the list is not responsive - and if you are still paying to mail to it....why would you?

              It was 60% open rate but only a small segment of the whole lists: the old paying members. In my previous thread I did not go into those details, my bad, sorry. I stopped sending mails to them that month.

              It's also good, from a risk management point of view, to have a backup plan, another niche, another product or service, even if I was to continue with my old one, I would really like to explore a new niche so that's why I opened this thread...to get some advice from those more knowledgeable than me (it does not take much) and maybe reassure me that if I put more energy and time on affiliate marketing, I can do it without selling crappy products.

              I am sorry if I came offensive for some who thought I think all products are like that, I did not mean that, I am sure there are some who only sells genuine stuff like shoes or travel insurance and they make a living. I just had a moment of depression and needed some advice, sorry guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author Miguelito203
    Originally Posted by MoneyManager View Post

    Hi, I am not trolling, I got a series of very unlucky events in the last 2 years and without telling you all my sob story, my marriage recently collapsed (we divorced) and I am basically close to get evicted from this place because I cannot pay the bills for much longer.

    I tried many different approach to internet marketing but it has been mainly a waste of money.

    Facebook ads campaigns were the worst, I did not make $1.

    I got accounts everywhere: CJ, ShareaSale, ClickBooth, ClickBank, etc. but I cannot find the way to earn more than what I spend to run the ads.

    I never liked shady offers so I never advertised "work from home" or other bogus products/services because I never wanted (and never will) to cheat anyone. I only wanted to sell good products/services, stuff that people were happy to buy or at least I was hoping so.

    Adding the fact that I see all the time too many "successful?" marketers selling their miracle strategy to earn this or that (so why do they need to sell courses if they are so successful? Oh sure...to make more money you say? Whatever, it may be, but my confidence is like that one of someone about to jump under a bridge.

    Do you really make money running affiliate campaigns? Honestly?

    If anyone can guide me a bit I will be very happy to learn but my dollars are running out.

    Thank you
    If paying for ads isn't working for you, stop doing that -- at least until you get a better handle on things and get some money coming in. Speaking of which, you could start doing some writing and research. You can either write for some sites that will pay you to publish your content or write for other marketers. You might want to check out Writer Help Wanted (.com) by Ron Douglas and Alice Seba. It just came out like a month or two ago.

    If affiliate marketing is your thing (and you can become an Amazon affiliate), I'd be promoting some back-to-school stuff now. They have all sorts of things on Yahoo trends. Also, many of the products that people are looking for now are still going to be search for until the end of the year and through the holidays.

    Here are some things off the top of my head. Oh, don't forget that you can cross promote stuff, based on the recommendations that Amazon gives you (like what people buy in addition to the main product).

    macbook pro - some of these are really expensive & have really good ratings
    samsung cell phones
    headphones - can find lesser-expensive ones to Beats
    running shoes - immediately think Jordan's and Lebron James
    vitamix blender
    kids' clothes
    kids' nike shoes
    braun shavers
    wheeled backpacks - can't believe these are still in style
    dorm room furniture - small frig orators were a big deal when I was in college

    This is just a small list. Just think about anything that might be a necessity and do a bit of research. It's pretty easy.

    Good luck,
    Joey
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      The quick and obvious answer is to pause your internet marketing dreams and get a job. But depending on your skills/experience, location and education that's can sometimes be harder than earning your own money. So, my plan B option is to find a way to make money outside of the internet.

      Believe it or not that's what people did before the internet was invented (shocker right?), the ambitious ones who couldn't find a job made their own jobs.

      What did they do? They temporarily focused on doing the things other people didn't want to do. The crappy, routine, boring or dirty stuff. They cleaned, washed, fixed, painted, scrubbed, prepared or guarded something. Some even wound up making businesses from it. Here's an example.


      When you get back to internet marketing do it the right way next time. Focus on a niche (something others are ignoring, missing or under-serving) instead of bouncing and trying one thing after another.

      My guess is you didn't do that and as a result you fell into the "me-too" ... just another marketer hole. (Even if you had a big list) You just became another marketer to potential buyers, like 90% of internet marketers. Now you need to start over from scratch, otherwise you're groomed to repeat many of the same mistakes.

      But first you need to stabilize your finances, otherwise people will be able to smell it (desperation) on you, making it even harder to make a sale.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    My friend...

    ...sell a service (web design, marketing, mowing lawns, whatever you are able to do well)

    ...or go get a job.

    The problem with the job is you won't see the money for 2-4 weeks.

    But you need some stability.

    Since you have zero confidence with affiliate marketing, and believe it is all a scam, stay away from that. You won't make it work now. You simply don't have the belief.

    Selling services is the fastest way to earn money.
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  • Profile picture of the author ardiejarelle
    In some cases no. There are a lot of people saying they do but maybe they know something that they really don't want to tell. Affiliate marketing normally waste your time. So the best way is to think of a skill you have and offer your services on the freelancing sites or micro job sites. You can actually have free courses on udemy.com which normally comes in great contents. They will teach you a lot of things like graphic designs, creating a logo, SEO, creating a website and a lot of things that interests you. But, yeah, you can try to find a regular source of income which is getting a job while figuring out what to do to get an earning online. You can do both at the same time as you wish. While working on a regular basis you can develop you online reputation by serving clients online until it give you a regular stream of income every month and you can decide if you will do a full time online job.
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  • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
    I agree...get a job. You could get job doing telemarketing in most cities or appointment setting..often hourly plus commission and you would learn a valuable skill that can help you in other biz pursuits

    You could also email a simple "cpa" offer to that huge email list of yours....something free and easy...and get a smalller payout rather than pushing high priced stuff at them which apparently did not work

    You could - as others suggest - go out and sell your skills - mow lawns...do handyman work if you can...whatever....look for gigs on craigslist..just beware of the mlm and dreamers on there
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  • Profile picture of the author Riki Stein
    Originally Posted by MoneyManager View Post

    Hi, I am not trolling, I got a series of very unlucky events in the last 2 years and without telling you all my sob story, my marriage recently collapsed (we divorced) and I am basically close to get evicted from this place because I cannot pay the bills for much longer.

    I tried many different approach to internet marketing but it has been mainly a waste of money.

    Facebook ads campaigns were the worst, I did not make $1.

    I got accounts everywhere: CJ, ShareaSale, ClickBooth, ClickBank, etc. but I cannot find the way to earn more than what I spend to run the ads.

    I never liked shady offers so I never advertised "work from home" or other bogus products/services because I never wanted (and never will) to cheat anyone. I only wanted to sell good products/services, stuff that people were happy to buy or at least I was hoping so.

    Adding the fact that I see all the time too many "successful?" marketers selling their miracle strategy to earn this or that (so why do they need to sell courses if they are so successful? Oh sure...to make more money you say? Whatever, it may be, but my confidence is like that one of someone about to jump under a bridge.

    Do you really make money running affiliate campaigns? Honestly?

    If anyone can guide me a bit I will be very happy to learn but my dollars are running out.

    Thank you
    First off I want to say that I really feel sorry for you. It's usually when you reach rock bottom that things start looking up.

    Many people do have a rags-to-riches story, but also, the unfortunate fact is that most wannabe Internet marketers never make money.

    That's not to say that you won't.

    If you have your heart set on affiliate marketing, I've heard that Andre Chaperon has a good training (Tiny Little Businesses dot com), and it seems to be in the more affordable realm.

    But why just affiliate marketing?

    If you have an idea for a product (any type of product), you can get (free - but awesome) training from Gumroad's Small Product Lab. It's a 10-day intense training from getting your idea started all the way to launching.

    If you need money right now, provide a service.
    You can make a few dollars today even by signing up to iWriter and writing articles. (Based on your writing here you definitely qualify.)
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    • Profile picture of the author MoneyManager
      Originally Posted by Riki Stein View Post

      You can make a few dollars today even by signing up to iWriter and writing articles. (Based on your writing here you definitely qualify.)

      Hi Riki, many thanks for your reply. It actually made me smile (badly needed) because English is not even my native language.
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  • Profile picture of the author tyronne78
    If I needed immediate income from that 200k email list I wouldn't become an affiliate and sell other people's stuff. I would create my own low-cost frontend offer ($7-$17) and then backend my customers into some sort of month-to-month coaching program.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      I've been out on the street, twice. You'll survive and will be a better person for it. It builds character and after the second time I can assure you that you'll work as hard as humanly possible to make sure that it doesn't ever happen, again. Trust me on this.

      Cheers. - Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
      Originally Posted by tyronne78 View Post

      If I needed immediate income from that 200k email list I wouldn't become an affiliate and sell other people's stuff. I would create my own low-cost frontend offer ($7-$17) and then backend my customers into some sort of month-to-month coaching program.

      Yes...a guy who is broke, about to live under a bridge...that is the wso I have been waiting for...

      IMHO this is what is wrong wrong wrong around here....it is just wrong.

      didn't work for him..so sell what? sell his failure to make a new failure and then some other guy can come crying? Just unreal
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      • Profile picture of the author SozzledBoot
        When you are running with the football all alone, expect there to be an entire opposing team coming after you to tackle you to the ground.

        Where did they come from? Ah! Now your starting to understand that it's all a game, albeit a serious one.

        What you're experiencing is the "ooof!" of being slammed to the turf. And if you look at the football itself (your dream to make money online), you may see it tumble in the air, crash to the ground, and roll about a lot, but it is undamaged.

        Get up and get back in the game.

        It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether you want to win!

        You never fail if you're still running with the ball.

        And as far as your real-world debt goes? That's the opposing team. They will always be there. Maybe you need to hit the bench for a while (IE, get a temporary brick-and-mortar job); or if you can't do that, always remember that there are coaches in every game. One of them is on your side. That would include your friends here at the Warrior Forum, any resources you have, your knowledge, skills and experiences thus far, and whatever passion you have left.

        Don't forget all your fans who are watching you carry the ball. The universe, life itself, will be with you through it all. You'll make it, on the bench or in the game.

        You just have to believe that!
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      • Profile picture of the author 55sadhikar
        Hello if you have a computer and internet connection u can make money online. You can live on a shelter house and eat there for a month or two and keep working on your internet business day and night and have faith that you will pass this moment of crisis. Also change the mindset with IM; lots of people think IM is easy money and it's not. But it can be if you learn the right skills. If you lack the skillset you will only lose money. If you don't have the right skills required in the beginning you need to learn and once you pass that. You can work 30 mins a day daily and still make money.
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        • Profile picture of the author Powermovesyou
          Some of you would rather suffer and be broke then to actually work.. If you are afraid of 15+ hours a day of work than making money online isnt for you..
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      • Profile picture of the author Riki Stein
        Originally Posted by Freebiequeen1999 View Post

        Yes...a guy who is broke, about to live under a bridge...that is the wso I have been waiting for...

        IMHO this is what is wrong wrong wrong around here....it is just wrong.

        didn't work for him..so sell what? sell his failure to make a new failure and then some other guy can come crying? Just unreal
        That's assuming that he doesn't have anything real to teach. Maybe he couldn't figure out how to make money...but he does know how to build a list. Or maybe he's good at SEO...I don' t know.

        Just giving the benefit of the doubt here.
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        • Profile picture of the author MoneyManager
          Originally Posted by Riki Stein View Post

          That's assuming that he doesn't have anything real to teach. Maybe he couldn't figure out how to make money...but he does know how to build a list. Or maybe he's good at SEO...I don' t know.

          Just giving the benefit of the doubt here.
          Yes I know a bit of SEO, I would not say to be expert but I can improve my SEO for sure with hard work, only white hat though.

          The problem is that when I started buying ads on AdWords and Facebook, it just did not work...it never did and I tried different products, with differents ads, but I could not even get even.

          The only money I made was when I did not use ads, when I dealt with the people who know me from years through my website, however that niche has constantly got worse and I need something else because that income is no longer enough to pay the bills.

          I stress the fact that I am not seeking to become a millionaire, although it would be nice of course, but I am only trying to pay the bills with an online income so that I can focus on completing my degree and then eventually get a better job.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I agree about the coaching part - but someone who has been working with money and money managers for years should be able to come up with his own product.

        If you can't - if the list is gone - get a job or two or three. Don't wait until you are down to your last $10 to "do something".
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  • Profile picture of the author ExacoMvm
    From all those posts i've made a conclusion that Affiliate IM is all about selling guides and stuff that doesn't work at all and PDD/CPA/PPV is a piece of crap that just steals your money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      :

      OP begins this thread over 14 hrs ago - and logs out of the forum 17 minutes later.

      He hasn't been back to read any of the responses...I find that strange.
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      • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        :

        OP begins this thread over 14 hrs ago - and logs out of the forum 17 minutes later.

        He hasn't been back to read any of the responses...I find that strange.
        Well, even if he hasn't learned anything ... I have and hopefully other newbies too!
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      • Profile picture of the author MoneyManager
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        :

        OP begins this thread over 14 hrs ago - and logs out of the forum 17 minutes later.

        He hasn't been back to read any of the responses...I find that strange.
        I had no slept in nearly 24 hours so I went to sleep, now I read most of the replies and thank everyone for the advice provided.

        My story is true, I have no idea why someone would just make up a sob story, it is actually ashaming as I am no longer a kid.

        For some who replied to get a job in Seattle or L.A., I am in Australia but yes I get the meaning, it's the same logic.

        I still have $2K of savings but they will run out pretty fast, the cost of living here is about double the American one. My rent alone is $300 per week so by the end of this month no doubt I will have to get a basic job in the supermarket or bartending, which is fine for a while but in the long term I am still hoping to make a living online.

        Thanks everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author SMworkcafe
    Get a job. You are not in the state of mind to understand that online marketing does work. You are going through an emotional roller coaster.

    Stable it all out and come back with a clear mind + with a job + ready to accept you were doing it wrong and you need to work on that again.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    I get sick of these posts, as not sure if they are legit.

    Back in 2001 i was living on the street, or pretty much in my car, and I stopped whining, and starting taking action.

    I realised I was in here back in 2001, [yes the warrior forum was a different place then]

    I kept buying up WSO, kept reading and doing nothing. Then whining some more, about my situation and then not doing anything about it.

    Right now I have membership sites, clickbank vendor products, and another site with 2000 membership paying me $9.95 per month.

    Basically I work a few hours a week, and bring in a 5 figure amount.

    How did I get there? HARD BLOODY WORK!!!

    how did I actually do it.

    - GET DOMAIN
    - GET HOSTING
    - BUILD A LIST
    - HELP MY LIST

    - THEN I JUST REPEATED all that.


    So stop whining, and start taking action. Build a list, and then go from there. If I can do this, anyone can, cause I am the dumbest asshole around. I mean, put a dunce hat on me and call me dopey. As in that stupid.

    Maybe I was dropped on my head as a baby, I do not blame anyone, I just got on with it, and now keep going on. Being in a shitty situation drives me every day, not to give up. I was not a trust fund baby, and had to do it the hard way, from FREE TRAFFIC, TO PAID TRAFFIC, and nowadays, I have not worries about doing a media buy of traffic for $5k - $10k. It all starts on how your work ethic is. If you want to work hard, do it, if you are 99% sure, do not bother,

    To get where you want to be, you need 100% effort, blood, sweat and tears, I have been there, so I know how hard it can be.

    WORK YOUR NUTS off, to get where you want and never give up.

    So stop reading my story and get to work. The more time you spend buying WSO's and products, and doing nothing with them, the more you will FAIL.

    Do stuff that works, and stop doing things that do not work.

    Enough here today, I am done, so go and do something that will make your money by tomorrow, get a lead, get some traffic, make a product, or better yet LEVEAGE of someone else who has done the hard work, and has a big LIST of prospects. Lots of people are having success like that.

    Hope this helps. Now.....GET.....To....Work!

    Celente.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      If I can do this, anyone can, cause I am the dumbest asshole around. I mean, put a dunce hat on me and call me dopey. As in that stupid.
      If you believe that I am going to surrender my title based solely on your confession, you're delusional.

      I have worked longer and harder than you ever could to achieve my status. Show some respect, please!

      Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author Powermovesyou
    Easy new method to make $100 a day!

    Get a job and do I.M part time..
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  • Profile picture of the author DollarShark
    Success requires time, energy and action, you have to test a lots of diffrent things till you find what works best for you, i suggest to find a job and in your free time test IM stuff, and keep in mind that get rich schemes never works, right now you are gambling, there is a difference between working stratigically and gambling, so stop what are you doing and get job.
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  • Profile picture of the author EPoltrack77
    Don't be upset for me saying this but its your mindset!

    Affiliate marketing is great. Today it takes work though and is not as easy as it was once that is for sure.

    It's separating yourself from your competition today. Most marketers do not want to take the time to do it though. They simply promote their straight affiliate links that 100,000 other affiliate are promoting using the same traffic sources. Does not matter if you have the best product in the marketplace. You still need to seperate yourself.

    Your talking from going form a half a percent conversions on your paid offer to 20% and above once you get this.

    I make affiliate commissions literally everyday but it took ,me over 3 and half years to begin to see steady results for my efforts. A lot of trial and error.

    When I started to see the biggest change in my career is when I started working harder on myself than I do on my job/marketing. Once we get past all the superficial things and stop letting circumstances and events control our life but learn the power of goal setting then you life will begin to take on a whole another level on its own.
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  • Profile picture of the author naresh30
    Be positive, do something you are good at. Take some time to think about your strengths and weaknesses. Affiliate marketing is one that took time and you should be focused on your goal rather then loosing patience.

    People would take interest on you if you have something in return for free. It is good to educate the prospects before convince them for buying from you.

    You show them information of their interest, write some free e-books. That helps you a lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author stevefox88
    Never give up and try to find a good mentor!
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  • Profile picture of the author ynef
    OP, you have a good heart and it's really awesome to see something like this. You don't want to sell shady business to your list even now! Whatever happens, don't lose that good heart of yours.

    Getting a job might be a good idea if getting some steady money is important to you, but I would also suggest taking a complete time out and go hiking for a week or two. Alone. The experience can do wonders

    Downsizing your living is a good idea too. Just get rid of all the crap that's making you worry so much and eating away your savings.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan S
    I feel sorry for you Mr. Money Manager but as you already knew, genuine Internet Marketing or 'Make Money Online' is a process, probably a long one not a one or two nights activities and loads of failures and disappointments will be encountered along the way. In my opinion, with your present situation, there isn't any more magical that can save you from that deep hole than doing a real job/services out there to cover your needs at least for time being while doing the process - this is our life as entrepreneurs, one day we're big time then another day we're broke... many of us here are in life support, don't lose hope, this is what we are, we are brave! Goodluck.
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  • Profile picture of the author kk075
    You know, people have danced around the "get a job" theme but nobody has come right out and said it yet- FORGET ABOUT IM! Forget about all those fairy tales and online riches and fairy dust and throw your darn computer away. It will bring you nothing but ruin.

    Now, I don't know why your marriage failed and that's your business, but there is zero excuse to sit in front of a keyboard trying to figure things out when the rent is almost due. Go get a job....even if it's a crappy one....and then get a 2nd job to make ends meet. Get your life in order, find a new gal and then think a little more about Internet Marketing...but not before.

    You are failing because you have your priorities completely twisted, and there is not a single piece of advice anywhere on this forum that can help you other than, "Get a job." Sitting around the house pouting and feeling sorry for yourself does nothing but make you more depressed. So get outside, meet people, find work and stop looking for miracles.
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  • Profile picture of the author greenowl123
    Lots of good advice has been given to you by many different seasoned Warriors here.

    Get a regular 9 to 5 and get your situation stabilized first.

    Find the thread here on WF about "what to do if desperate" and read it for more ideas about earning some money fast, offline.

    Come back to IM when you are more financially stable and start learning free methods to drive traffic first, before learning paid methods. Once you have learned how to drive traffic for free, you can then outsource it, to a V.A. (or three or four) and it becomes "paid traffic".

    Use your traffic to build your list, and learn to leverage your list and earn from it.

    Good luck !
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  • Profile picture of the author Nisip
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    Originally Posted by MoneyManager View Post


    Facebook ads campaigns were the worst, I did not make $1.
    DonĀ“t spend your hard earned money on ads campaigns.

    The only sure result is that the money that you spend is gone
    and it never comes back.

    Instead , focus on free traffic, free visitors, and use more Twitter and YouTube,
    you will get much better results
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  • Profile picture of the author TrafficFlow
    The only way I was finally able to start making money in the IM niche was after I purchased reseller rights to some cloud based video editing products. It is almost the equivalent of having your own product but without the support headaches as the developer I bought from handles all support. Plus, I can also recruit affiliates to sell the products if I choose to do so. Finally, if you sell the product through JVZOO they take care of fulfilling the orders for a very low commission.

    I was making money with Adsense, but this source of revenue can be very erratic and unpredictable.
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  • Profile picture of the author extrememan
    You REALLY can succeed in affiliate marketing. But, you must advertise your opportunity or it will never work for you. For the best results, paid and free methods will do best!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jen Eick
    My take? You should:
    1- Check out the infamous "What to do when you're desperate" thread - like Greenowl123 suggested. (But obviously, be selective of the advice you follow in that thread. Anything that involves shelling out money is obviously not a realistic option for you, at this point.)
    1 - Get a job - temporarily.
    2- While working that job, come home in the evening and focus on crafting one email a day to put in your autoreaponder. And not all of them sales letters. With that many subscribers, you seem to know how to build a relationship with a list. Keep that relationship going...and start monetizing it!

    Study up on WF about list building if you have to. Don't buy any product, just use the search function.

    Eventually you can climb your way out of this, and maybe do a day job AND the online thing, if not transition to solely online.
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    • Profile picture of the author rossle
      This is what I would do, and apologies if it has already been suggested.


      Create a WSO detailing everything you have tried, your results and why it has failed.


      Seriously, for marketers, finding out what does not work can be as valuable as finding out what does work and I would pay good money to read about all of your campaigns and results.


      Why? Because it would save me a fortune in ad spend should I inadvertently decide to try some of the methods you have tried which failed.


      Simply, sit down, type up all of your campaign results on a word doc and convert it to a PDF. Then find a low cost copywriter here on WF and make a deal for a small upfront payment plus a revenue share from the profits, then launch it.


      Success is often born out of failure. Use your experience to benefit others, and make some $$$'s for yourself also.


      Good luck.


      P.S. Fellow warriors - would you be happy to spend a few bucks to learn about the campaigns this guy tried and failed?
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  • Profile picture of the author mirko76
    My situation at the beginning of this year was quite similar, except I had no big list. My relationship ended, my (mainly offline) business was ****ed up for some reasons I had no real influence in, and I think I would have been diagnosed with depression in an instant.
    The best thing that happened to me was that I got the **** out of the house and did some hard, manual work. More exactly, I worked in the gardens of some older people who needed help for their "spring clean".
    I was trying to get things going doing freelance work before, but it just didn't work out. I simply couldn't sell myself and without reputation on the platforms you won't get far without self esteem. That gardening work not only helped me to get my finances together and pay the overdue rent. It was actually a way to "reset my brain". Doing something and see a physical result is something I really underestimated.
    Now, a few months later, the freelance work is going quite well, I'm building an online shop that looks quite promising (but I'm not dependend on it to be a success) and most important, I feel a whole lot better.
    I'm not making good money, far from it, but I make ends meet somehow. As a side effect, I met some people who are really successful and get good advice (some would call it mentoring), I think because they like the attitude.
    So I'd chime in to look into the "What to do when you're desperate" thread (the link is in here quite a few times so I didn't look it up). Lots of useful ideas there. And most important: Get away from the screen for a while and meet some real people. I'm damn sure this was the thing that saved my ass!

    Best of luck,
    Mirko
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  • Profile picture of the author w1ldbill
    Hi MM, I'm sorry to hear about your situation, you come across to me as someone who needs to talk to others about your situation, maybe your circle of friends are not into IM, who knows. I can understand that as i don't know anyone who knows anything about IM, unless you're on a forum like this, it can be a lonely place out there. Been reading through this post and people are responding to you in a fairly positive way, so, there are people on here that have a caring and positive attitude. I myself hit a very low point a few years ago and I think everyone in a low place does go through a bit of "life sucks, why me what have I done wrong" kinda phase. I got through it with the help of my partner, she always believed that I could pull through and was very supportive, I know how lucky i am to have her. Some people don't have that and have to deal with things on their own, an advantage to being on your own is that you don't have to worry about letting someone down. So, you have a 200,000 list ? I on the other hand, have a 0 list, very new to IM and have only done a bit of PPC to earn a few dollars over a long period (1 year). It's time for you to give yourself a big kick up the arse, as someone said earlier, go for a hike, clear your head, come back and stand in front of a mirror and tell yourself, "today is the first day of the rest of my life". I've been practising to forgive myself for doing some dumb things, but it aint easy to forgive yourself, you gotta work at it and it takes time. WF seems to be a good place to hang out as the people here are listening to your personal issues as well as your IM questions. Try to help others whenever you can and karma will reward you. Good luck to you and remember, the most important person in your life, is you, if you can stay strong, the people close to you will benefit from that.

    Wildbill.
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