Nope, everyone on the warrior forum is full of it.

Even the guy calling himself money manager who's about to be evicted because he can't pay his bills.

On a more serious note... if you haven't made a dime yet, you won't. Internet marketing isn't going to save you. Go find a job if you don't already have one, pick up some skills and scout craigslist for gigs you can do.

Good luck.

Sorry to hear of your tough situation.

It's even tougher because you are coming into a den of people selling "bogus" or "shady" products looking for advice.

If I told you I earn about $1,000 a day would that help? What would you do differently?

Likewise if I told you I have earned $100 total over the last 10 years would that help? What would you do differently?

My point is that you really can't believe much of anyone despite asking sincerely for honesty.

It also doesn't really matter what someone else can do - only what you can do.

For example, I don't have any reason to not believe one guy on this forum that says he makes $400,000 (I believe that was the number) a year. But that doesn't really effect me because for every one like him there are 100 (or 1000 or 10,000) stories like yours.

Also if you believe the make money online products are shady or bogus why take advice from them?

With what little you've given anyone to work with, I'll give 2 suggestions that I think would apply no matter what the details are.

1. Find a source of more stable income such as a job. Being homeless isn't fun. Not having anything to eat isn't what you should be shooting for. Find a way to get some stability in a "real" income and let your spirit heal a little. If you can get some consistent money coming in that will help in all aspects of your life - emotionally, financially, physically, etc.

2. Take a hard look at what you've been doing online and admit to yourself it isn't working. As you earn a steady income, work on the online piece as you can. Do your research. Avoid the fakers. Build something that can eventually replace, if you choose, your employment income. Avoid all the shady opportunities (and make money online products are nowhere close to being as shady as tons of other things out there). Build something legitimate that you can be proud of.

Good luck.

Mark

My first idea is to work on developinga very positive attitude toward your life and toward building a successful business. Spend some time on the Mind Warrior section of this forum or visit thesecret.tv


My second idea is to follow Kay King's advice above.


Best Wishes!

Yup. I make money with affiliate promotions every single day and with only about 30 minutes of work, if that (one email to a segment of my list and a couple of new ad listings).

My main business is offline marketing related, but I don't need to do much there anymore as everything is outsourced completely.

But my affiliate marketing "experiment" (I really should quit calling it that by now), has been fun and profitable from the beginning.

I can tell you this much...

Begin building a list immediately if you haven't already, and don't think that you need to reach a certain number of subscribers before you'll see any money. You can make money with a list really fast.

I think I had 12 subscribers total and made my first commission through them on day three when I started. One of them made a purchase through my link with no bonuses offered.

You do need to make sure you're not filling your list with just a bunch of freeloaders. You'll get some of those no matter what, but it will be a mixed bag you can segment. Drive quality traffic through ads or go the free route if you are on a super tight budget - classified ads, YouTube, Twitter, Pinterest, Instagram...

I wouldn't go with Facebook ads at first, but you've already been there and done that, so...

Some people advise mastering one traffic source at a time, but not me. I believe you should try several at once and then scale the one (or however many) that is working for the type of products you are promoting. It's discouraging to spend a lot of energy on one traffic source that won't work and never will for what you are promoting. You should be testing as many traffic sources as possible, imo, and early on in the game so you don't get stuck.

Edited to Add: Just read Kay's post. You have a 200k list and you're asking if affiliate marketing works???

You should focus on saving money first. Seriously its crazy that you spent more than you can handle. I never run campaigns without a website. That just never made sense to me.

Do not touch your computer at all for like 5 months just read 1 book a month. Stay away from making money online.

Get a $15/hr job at McD's in Los Angeles or Seattle? How close are you to the edge? Rent a room? What can you do? What's a skill that you have?

I am sorry to hear this. But if you want quick fix on your current situation, I think the best way is to get yourself a job. For newbie, making money online is not as easy as you think. It is the same as doing conventional offline business. You need time, effort and even money invested to make it work.


It is neither about how good is your website nor how massive is your traffic. We are talking about real strategies to sell. It's all about marketing and tonnes of strategies to make a business work.


Think about it. If it is difficult to earn money from a conventional offline business, then it is 100 times tougher to earn online as you are competing with the global market. However, if you can find the "tipping point" of doing business online, then the sky is the limit.


I am currently under employment and at the same time exploring business online. Am doing at my own pace while having a stable income from employment. I think you should do the same.


However, If you are heavily in debt, I would suggest that you get help from your government. I am sure they do have some debt restructuring plan for the citizen. Of course, at the same time, you need to get a job with stable income.


Hope this helps.


Hope this help.

I just read your April post Kay referenced...

The big question is this: What happened to your 200k list?

If paying for ads isn't working for you, stop doing that -- at least until you get a better handle on things and get some money coming in. Speaking of which, you could start doing some writing and research. You can either write for some sites that will pay you to publish your content or write for other marketers. You might want to check out Writer Help Wanted (.com) by Ron Douglas and Alice Seba. It just came out like a month or two ago.

If affiliate marketing is your thing (and you can become an Amazon affiliate), I'd be promoting some back-to-school stuff now. They have all sorts of things on Yahoo trends. Also, many of the products that people are looking for now are still going to be search for until the end of the year and through the holidays.

Here are some things off the top of my head. Oh, don't forget that you can cross promote stuff, based on the recommendations that Amazon gives you (like what people buy in addition to the main product).

macbook pro - some of these are really expensive & have really good ratings
samsung cell phones
headphones - can find lesser-expensive ones to Beats
running shoes - immediately think Jordan's and Lebron James
vitamix blender
kids' clothes
kids' nike shoes
braun shavers
wheeled backpacks - can't believe these are still in style
dorm room furniture - small frig orators were a big deal when I was in college

This is just a small list. Just think about anything that might be a necessity and do a bit of research. It's pretty easy.

Good luck,
Joey

My friend...

...sell a service (web design, marketing, mowing lawns, whatever you are able to do well)

...or go get a job.

The problem with the job is you won't see the money for 2-4 weeks.

But you need some stability.

Since you have zero confidence with affiliate marketing, and believe it is all a scam, stay away from that. You won't make it work now. You simply don't have the belief.

Selling services is the fastest way to earn money.

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Get a haircut and get a real job while you figure out the Internet stuff.

In some cases no. There are a lot of people saying they do but maybe they know something that they really don't want to tell. Affiliate marketing normally waste your time. So the best way is to think of a skill you have and offer your services on the freelancing sites or micro job sites. You can actually have free courses on udemy.com which normally comes in great contents. They will teach you a lot of things like graphic designs, creating a logo, SEO, creating a website and a lot of things that interests you. But, yeah, you can try to find a regular source of income which is getting a job while figuring out what to do to get an earning online. You can do both at the same time as you wish. While working on a regular basis you can develop you online reputation by serving clients online until it give you a regular stream of income every month and you can decide if you will do a full time online job.

I agree...get a job. You could get job doing telemarketing in most cities or appointment setting..often hourly plus commission and you would learn a valuable skill that can help you in other biz pursuits

You could also email a simple "cpa" offer to that huge email list of yours....something free and easy...and get a smalller payout rather than pushing high priced stuff at them which apparently did not work

You could - as others suggest - go out and sell your skills - mow lawns...do handyman work if you can...whatever....look for gigs on craigslist..just beware of the mlm and dreamers on there

First off I want to say that I really feel sorry for you. It's usually when you reach rock bottom that things start looking up.

Many people do have a rags-to-riches story, but also, the unfortunate fact is that most wannabe Internet marketers never make money.

That's not to say that you won't.

If you have your heart set on affiliate marketing, I've heard that Andre Chaperon has a good training (Tiny Little Businesses dot com), and it seems to be in the more affordable realm.

But why just affiliate marketing?

If you have an idea for a product (any type of product), you can get (free - but awesome) training from Gumroad's Small Product Lab. It's a 10-day intense training from getting your idea started all the way to launching.

If you need money right now, provide a service.
You can make a few dollars today even by signing up to iWriter and writing articles. (Based on your writing here you definitely qualify.)

If I needed immediate income from that 200k email list I wouldn't become an affiliate and sell other people's stuff. I would create my own low-cost frontend offer ($7-$17) and then backend my customers into some sort of month-to-month coaching program.

From all those posts i've made a conclusion that Affiliate IM is all about selling guides and stuff that doesn't work at all and PDD/CPA/PPV is a piece of crap that just steals your money.

THE SILHOUETTES - "GET A JOB" (1957) - YouTube

Get a job. You are not in the state of mind to understand that online marketing does work. You are going through an emotional roller coaster.

Stable it all out and come back with a clear mind + with a job + ready to accept you were doing it wrong and you need to work on that again.

I get sick of these posts, as not sure if they are legit.

Back in 2001 i was living on the street, or pretty much in my car, and I stopped whining, and starting taking action.

I realised I was in here back in 2001, [yes the warrior forum was a different place then]

I kept buying up WSO, kept reading and doing nothing. Then whining some more, about my situation and then not doing anything about it.

Right now I have membership sites, clickbank vendor products, and another site with 2000 membership paying me $9.95 per month.

Basically I work a few hours a week, and bring in a 5 figure amount.

How did I get there? HARD BLOODY WORK!!!

how did I actually do it.

- GET DOMAIN
- GET HOSTING
- BUILD A LIST
- HELP MY LIST

- THEN I JUST REPEATED all that.

So stop whining, and start taking action. Build a list, and then go from there. If I can do this, anyone can, cause I am the dumbest asshole around. I mean, put a dunce hat on me and call me dopey. As in that stupid.

Maybe I was dropped on my head as a baby, I do not blame anyone, I just got on with it, and now keep going on. Being in a shitty situation drives me every day, not to give up. I was not a trust fund baby, and had to do it the hard way, from FREE TRAFFIC, TO PAID TRAFFIC, and nowadays, I have not worries about doing a media buy of traffic for $5k - $10k. It all starts on how your work ethic is. If you want to work hard, do it, if you are 99% sure, do not bother,

To get where you want to be, you need 100% effort, blood, sweat and tears, I have been there, so I know how hard it can be.

WORK YOUR NUTS off, to get where you want and never give up.

So stop reading my story and get to work. The more time you spend buying WSO's and products, and doing nothing with them, the more you will FAIL.

Do stuff that works, and stop doing things that do not work.

Enough here today, I am done, so go and do something that will make your money by tomorrow, get a lead, get some traffic, make a product, or better yet LEVEAGE of someone else who has done the hard work, and has a big LIST of prospects. Lots of people are having success like that.

Hope this helps. Now.....GET.....To....Work!

Celente.

Easy new method to make $100 a day!

Get a job and do I.M part time..

Success requires time, energy and action, you have to test a lots of diffrent things till you find what works best for you, i suggest to find a job and in your free time test IM stuff, and keep in mind that get rich schemes never works, right now you are gambling, there is a difference between working stratigically and gambling, so stop what are you doing and get job.

Don't be upset for me saying this but its your mindset!

Affiliate marketing is great. Today it takes work though and is not as easy as it was once that is for sure.

It's separating yourself from your competition today. Most marketers do not want to take the time to do it though. They simply promote their straight affiliate links that 100,000 other affiliate are promoting using the same traffic sources. Does not matter if you have the best product in the marketplace. You still need to seperate yourself.

Your talking from going form a half a percent conversions on your paid offer to 20% and above once you get this.

I make affiliate commissions literally everyday but it took ,me over 3 and half years to begin to see steady results for my efforts. A lot of trial and error.

When I started to see the biggest change in my career is when I started working harder on myself than I do on my job/marketing. Once we get past all the superficial things and stop letting circumstances and events control our life but learn the power of goal setting then you life will begin to take on a whole another level on its own.

Be positive, do something you are good at. Take some time to think about your strengths and weaknesses. Affiliate marketing is one that took time and you should be focused on your goal rather then loosing patience.

People would take interest on you if you have something in return for free. It is good to educate the prospects before convince them for buying from you.

You show them information of their interest, write some free e-books. That helps you a lot.

Never give up and try to find a good mentor!

OP, you have a good heart and it's really awesome to see something like this. You don't want to sell shady business to your list even now! Whatever happens, don't lose that good heart of yours.

Getting a job might be a good idea if getting some steady money is important to you, but I would also suggest taking a complete time out and go hiking for a week or two. Alone. The experience can do wonders

Downsizing your living is a good idea too. Just get rid of all the crap that's making you worry so much and eating away your savings.

I feel sorry for you Mr. Money Manager but as you already knew, genuine Internet Marketing or 'Make Money Online' is a process, probably a long one not a one or two nights activities and loads of failures and disappointments will be encountered along the way. In my opinion, with your present situation, there isn't any more magical that can save you from that deep hole than doing a real job/services out there to cover your needs at least for time being while doing the process - this is our life as entrepreneurs, one day we're big time then another day we're broke... many of us here are in life support, don't lose hope, this is what we are, we are brave! Goodluck.

You know, people have danced around the "get a job" theme but nobody has come right out and said it yet- FORGET ABOUT IM! Forget about all those fairy tales and online riches and fairy dust and throw your darn computer away. It will bring you nothing but ruin.

Now, I don't know why your marriage failed and that's your business, but there is zero excuse to sit in front of a keyboard trying to figure things out when the rent is almost due. Go get a job....even if it's a crappy one....and then get a 2nd job to make ends meet. Get your life in order, find a new gal and then think a little more about Internet Marketing...but not before.

You are failing because you have your priorities completely twisted, and there is not a single piece of advice anywhere on this forum that can help you other than, "Get a job." Sitting around the house pouting and feeling sorry for yourself does nothing but make you more depressed. So get outside, meet people, find work and stop looking for miracles.

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Lots of good advice has been given to you by many different seasoned Warriors here.

Get a regular 9 to 5 and get your situation stabilized first.

Find the thread here on WF about "what to do if desperate" and read it for more ideas about earning some money fast, offline.

Come back to IM when you are more financially stable and start learning free methods to drive traffic first, before learning paid methods. Once you have learned how to drive traffic for free, you can then outsource it, to a V.A. (or three or four) and it becomes "paid traffic".

Use your traffic to build your list, and learn to leverage your list and earn from it.

Good luck !

Don´t spend your hard earned money on ads campaigns.

The only sure result is that the money that you spend is gone
and it never comes back.

Instead , focus on free traffic, free visitors, and use more Twitter and YouTube,
you will get much better results

The only way I was finally able to start making money in the IM niche was after I purchased reseller rights to some cloud based video editing products. It is almost the equivalent of having your own product but without the support headaches as the developer I bought from handles all support. Plus, I can also recruit affiliates to sell the products if I choose to do so. Finally, if you sell the product through JVZOO they take care of fulfilling the orders for a very low commission.

I was making money with Adsense, but this source of revenue can be very erratic and unpredictable.

You REALLY can succeed in affiliate marketing. But, you must advertise your opportunity or it will never work for you. For the best results, paid and free methods will do best!

My take? You should:
1- Check out the infamous "What to do when you're desperate" thread - like Greenowl123 suggested. (But obviously, be selective of the advice you follow in that thread. Anything that involves shelling out money is obviously not a realistic option for you, at this point.)
1 - Get a job - temporarily.
2- While working that job, come home in the evening and focus on crafting one email a day to put in your autoreaponder. And not all of them sales letters. With that many subscribers, you seem to know how to build a relationship with a list. Keep that relationship going...and start monetizing it!

Study up on WF about list building if you have to. Don't buy any product, just use the search function.

Eventually you can climb your way out of this, and maybe do a day job AND the online thing, if not transition to solely online.

My situation at the beginning of this year was quite similar, except I had no big list. My relationship ended, my (mainly offline) business was ****ed up for some reasons I had no real influence in, and I think I would have been diagnosed with depression in an instant.
The best thing that happened to me was that I got the **** out of the house and did some hard, manual work. More exactly, I worked in the gardens of some older people who needed help for their "spring clean".
I was trying to get things going doing freelance work before, but it just didn't work out. I simply couldn't sell myself and without reputation on the platforms you won't get far without self esteem. That gardening work not only helped me to get my finances together and pay the overdue rent. It was actually a way to "reset my brain". Doing something and see a physical result is something I really underestimated.
Now, a few months later, the freelance work is going quite well, I'm building an online shop that looks quite promising (but I'm not dependend on it to be a success) and most important, I feel a whole lot better.
I'm not making good money, far from it, but I make ends meet somehow. As a side effect, I met some people who are really successful and get good advice (some would call it mentoring), I think because they like the attitude.
So I'd chime in to look into the "What to do when you're desperate" thread (the link is in here quite a few times so I didn't look it up). Lots of useful ideas there. And most important: Get away from the screen for a while and meet some real people. I'm damn sure this was the thing that saved my ass!

Best of luck,
Mirko

Hi MM, I'm sorry to hear about your situation, you come across to me as someone who needs to talk to others about your situation, maybe your circle of friends are not into IM, who knows. I can understand that as i don't know anyone who knows anything about IM, unless you're on a forum like this, it can be a lonely place out there. Been reading through this post and people are responding to you in a fairly positive way, so, there are people on here that have a caring and positive attitude. I myself hit a very low point a few years ago and I think everyone in a low place does go through a bit of "life sucks, why me what have I done wrong" kinda phase. I got through it with the help of my partner, she always believed that I could pull through and was very supportive, I know how lucky i am to have her. Some people don't have that and have to deal with things on their own, an advantage to being on your own is that you don't have to worry about letting someone down. So, you have a 200,000 list ? I on the other hand, have a 0 list, very new to IM and have only done a bit of PPC to earn a few dollars over a long period (1 year). It's time for you to give yourself a big kick up the arse, as someone said earlier, go for a hike, clear your head, come back and stand in front of a mirror and tell yourself, "today is the first day of the rest of my life". I've been practising to forgive myself for doing some dumb things, but it aint easy to forgive yourself, you gotta work at it and it takes time. WF seems to be a good place to hang out as the people here are listening to your personal issues as well as your IM questions. Try to help others whenever you can and karma will reward you. Good luck to you and remember, the most important person in your life, is you, if you can stay strong, the people close to you will benefit from that.

Wildbill.

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