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9 years ago

Well, so far, it looks like your manual work returns more than advertising does, so if I were you, I'd think about automating as much of the manual work as possible. Later... "scaling it up," as they say.

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karmadog 9 years ago

I would automate it if I could, But there really isn't any way.
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PureFusion

9 years ago

If you know your target market well, why not cater to them via Facebook Advertising. That way you can go straight to the demographics that will buy your product and avoid some of the pitfalls you're experiencing with PPC.

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karmadog

9 years ago

I'll tell you why, I was using facebook advertising, but facebook all of a sudden disabled my account and told me there is something fraudulent about my credit card. There isn't anything fraudulent going on, but even when I try to contact them they never get back to me, and it's been over a month now.

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Bigpanda

9 years ago

Can you outsource any of the work that you manually do cheaply? While still leaving room for profit, using the method that currently brings 1 sale a day on average. Fiverr has virtual assistance available for 5 bucks per 2 hours of work.

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karmadog

9 years ago

I've thought about that, but most people on there who are affordable to hire would probably be too incompetent and they probably wouldn't speak english very well.

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David Beroff

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

I've thought about that, but most people on there who are affordable to hire would probably be too incompetent and they probably wouldn't speak english very well.

That's a lot of "probably"'s. Sure there are incompetencies and language issues with some outsourcers, and others are fantastic. I've done very well by being patient and finding the gems among the dreck. You may want to consider doing the same.

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The Cypher

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

I've thought about that, but most people on there who are affordable to hire would probably be too incompetent and they probably wouldn't speak english very well.

I thought you said you had plenty of money to burn on ads?

Why not burn it on a proven method that generates a postivie ROI? My entire outsourced team is from Pakistan and they could most likely run circles around 75% of the people here on the forum.

Not trying to offend Warriors, but people often write off outsourcing way too early.

You have a method that works. Scale that method up first before you dve into something else.

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Cash37

9 years ago

Originally Posted by The Cypher

I thought you said you had plenty of money to burn on ads?

Why not burn it on a proven method that generates a postivie ROI? My entire outsourced team is from Pakistan and they could most likely run circles around 75% of the people here on the forum.

Not trying to offend Warriors, but people often write off outsourcing way too early.

You have a method that works. Scale that method up first before you dve into something else.

More lies..

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karmadog

9 years ago

Is there not some kind of paid advertising I can go with, aside from bing ads?

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dayus444

9 years ago

Have you tried banner ad placements on sites in your niche?

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karmadog 9 years ago

Originally Posted by dayus444

Have you tried banner ad placements on sites in your niche?

No, but I heard that kind of advertising can be pretty expensive, and you really have to know what you're doing.
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karmadog

9 years ago

So, no one has a solution for me to try? I don't think I should do banner ads.

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Charles E. White 9 years ago

Have you tried solo ads?
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agmccall

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

So, no one has a solution for me to try? I don't think I should do banner ads.

In your OP you stated that what you are currently doing takes a lot of manual work. What exactly do you consider to be a lot of manual work? We could start from there

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The Cypher

9 years ago

Originally Posted by agmccall

In your OP you stated that what you are currently doing takes a lot of manual work. What exactly do you consider to be a lot of manual work? We could start from there

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The OP is obviously lazy and doesn't want to hire and successfully train a VA to duplicate the work to put it on autopilot. Or do anything else for that matter.

Let's get real here. The OP is disregarding all sorts of good answers because he just wants that "Work 15 Minutes a Day Lifestyle"

He doesn't want to train a VA to do his PROVEN system and ramp up sales. Because he's making excuses of poor competency levels.

He doesn't want to invest in PPC because at the moment (not sure if he is theory crafting or he did something) he's breaking even with his first campaign. So he's making excuses about running ads.

Listen to what he says, or OP, reread this thread. Your entire string of excuses follow this structure.

OK. ____ could be good but PROBABLY____ so I won't do it. Is there any good answers out there?

No one on this forum can help a person who can't help themselves. Google learned helplessness and start there.

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by The Cypher

The OP is obviously lazy and doesn't want to hire and successfully train a VA to duplicate the work to put it on autopilot. Or do anything else for that matter.

Let's get real here. The OP is disregarding all sorts of good answers because he just wants that "Work 15 Minutes a Day Lifestyle"

He doesn't want to train a VA to do his PROVEN system and ramp up sales. Because he's making excuses of poor competency levels.

He doesn't want to invest in PPC because at the moment (not sure if he is theory crafting or he did something) he's breaking even with his first campaign. So he's making excuses about running ads.

Listen to what he says, or OP, reread this thread. Your entire string of excuses follow this structure.

OK. ____ could be good but PROBABLY____ so I won't do it. Is there any good answers out there?

No one on this forum can help a person who can't help themselves. Google learned helplessness and start there.

I am not making excuses about running PPC ads, It's just that I've already spent quite a bit and I'm only breaking even on some of my campaigns, and I never seem to be profiting from it, so therefore I'm a bit iffy about the whole thing.

And about the whole outsourcing thing, I actually set up an ad at freelancer and all I got were tons of automated responses full of bad grammar from people in places like India. So it's a bad idea if you ask me.

And why do you say that I don't want to help myself? Didn't I say that I've already tried all kinds of ads?

I'm just trying to find out what I've been doing wrong with my campaigns.

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Brent Stangel

9 years ago

So, no one has a solution for me to try?

Without knowing the product or at least the niche, no one can offer much specific advice.

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karmadog 9 years ago

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  It's weight loss
  
  What is the adwords price for bidding on the actual name of the product?
  
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JC Web

9 years ago

Nothing beats testing. You said you have a significant amount of money to spend. So spend it testing various ways to drive traffic. What you learn will help you make money for the rest of your life, not just with this offer. If you said you were broke, that would be a different story. But you have money, so use it wisely.

So far, you've just found reasons not to try anything suggested. Not doing anything is guaranteed to make you $0. Pick one of the major ad platforms and test and optimize. Even if this particular campaign is not profitable (and it may be as well) then you learn an invaluable skill for your future campaigns. Also, try one or two of the freelance sites to see if you can find someone to do what you are currently doing manually.

You've got to do something or just keep doing a lot of work you don't like for one sale a day. Test, test, test and optimize.

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by JC Web

Nothing beats testing. You said you have a significant amount of money to spend. So spend it testing various ways to drive traffic. What you learn will help you make money for the rest of your life, not just with this offer. If you said you were broke, that would be a different story. But you have money, so use it wisely.

So far, you've just found reasons not to try anything suggested. Not doing anything is guaranteed to make you $0. Pick one of the major ad platforms and test and optimize. Even if this particular campaign is not profitable (and it may be as well) then you learn an invaluable skill for your future campaigns. Also, try one or two of the freelance sites to see if you can find someone to do what you are currently doing manually.

You've got to do something or just keep doing a lot of work you don't like for one sale a day. Test, test, test and optimize.

I wouldn't say i've done nothing, I've tried bing ads, adwords, stumbleupon ads, CPM advertising, email marketing. So far the only thing that works for me is the free way which involves lots of work. I just don't know what to turn to next.

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JC Web

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

I wouldn't say i've done nothing, I've tried bing ads, adwords, stumbleupon ads, CPM advertising, email marketing. So far the only thing that works for me is the free way which involves lots of work. I just don't know what to turn to next.

If none of those paid methods worked for you, then you are doing something wrong. Pick one and learn it well and learn how to make your campaign profitable in it. I wouldn't bother with Stumbleupon though.

You already know from your free method that the offer is capable of conversions. If the offer can convert, then you can make it profitable with one of those methods you mentioned. Pick the one that you think you can work with the best and stick with it.

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by JC Web

If none of those paid methods worked for you, then you are doing something wrong. Pick one and learn it well and learn how to make your campaign profitable in it. I wouldn't bother with Stumbleupon though.

You already know from your free method that the offer is capable of conversions. If the offer can convert, then you can make it profitable with one of those methods you mentioned. Pick the one that you think you can work with the best and stick with it.

The problem is though, it takes about 100 or more hops to get a sale, and with PPC by the time i've got 100 clicks I would only be breaking even.

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JC Web

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

The problem is though, it takes about 100 or more hops to get a sale, and with PPC by the time i've got 100 clicks I would only be breaking even.

Breaking even, or even coming close to it, at the beginning of a PPC campaign is great. Most people hope for that. That means you've got a campaign that is almost certain to be a winner after optimizing it. It sounds like you are quitting too soon. You need to take those campaigns and test and optimize.

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by JC Web

Breaking even, or even coming close to it, at the beginning of a PPC campaign is great. Most people hope for that. That means you've got a campaign that is almost certain to be a winner after optimizing it. It sounds like you are quitting too soon. You need to take those campaigns and test and optimize.

So you think PPC is the best option?

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JC Web 9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

So you think PPC is the best option?

I can't tell you what the best option is. I don't know your offer, nor have I done any research related to it. I also don't know you nor what you are most suited to succeed with. I, and anyone else here, can only make general suggestions and give you information on what is generally true and how things typically work.

Your specific situation can only be decided by you or at least by someone who knows every detail of it. I use several different avenues of paid advertising. PPC is my personal favorite but that does not mean it is the best for every offer nor that it is best for every person to use.

As I mentioned before and as other have mentioned, you should also seriously consider outsourcing the method you are currently doing. You know it makes you money and you hate doing it yourself. It seems a natural place to start. And if it is something that can be scaled - it may not be - then you should try to find several people to do it and multiply your current success. If it is limited and cannot be scaled by using more than one person, then find one good person to replace you and spend your time learning one of the ad networks.
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ChristianLemke

9 years ago

What about Remarketing with Facebook Ads?

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JC Web 9 years ago

Originally Posted by ChristianLemke

What about Remarketing with Facebook Ads?

They said their ad account was banned.
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mbryan

9 years ago

This may be a stupid question, but are you building your own email list before sending the people to the product you're selling? If you are, why don't you keep running the ads and break even while building your list. Build up your list to a few thousand "buyers" and then sell them other related products. Then you would be able to make pure profit without spending a dime on ads. If you want to make money faster then scale your ads up and build your list faster. Then make sure you follow up with the people who didn't buy but were added to your list anyway. If you do the follow up right you should be able to make just as many sales as you did with the initial ad but the followup sales would be pure profit.

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mbryan

9 years ago

Also, solo ads are not just for IM. You can find solo ads for just about anything. If people have a list and are willing to sell you clicks that is all that matters. Your results probably won't be that great but again if you can break even and build your list even further then it's a win. FB has a ton of solo ad providers you just have to look for them.