Is JVZoo Selling Buyers Lists?

A lot of WF sellers have recently stumbled on the concept of a "co-reg" (co-registration) list and they're doing it all wrong. Some even promise to build other people's lists using this method which is even worse.

In case you don't know, Coreg is when one vendor's optin form silently submits your date to several other optins in the background to 3rd party vendors. Usually in exchange for $$.

I highly doubt it's JVZoo. It's more likely the sellers submitting your data during the transaction.

OR...they're blatantly selling it. That's always possible as well.

I think it's more likely the vendors you are buying from that are selling your email, although there's certainly no way for me to say for sure it's not JVZoo. I know I have bought products and services in the past from people selling through both WarriorPlus and JVZoo and those vendors have definitely sold my address to spammers without my permission.

I use different secondary email addresses for each purchase or put extra characters in my name so I can track who does this. Some of the "big names" are definitely guilty of this as well as some of the most well-spoken of people on this forum.

In hindsight, I should have used a throwaway email address for the contact email when processing the PayPal payment through JVZoo. I think that's the one that goes to the seller.

I do use throwaway names when I sign up for webinars and early bird offers. Those emails have never been hit with this type of spam, so the problem is clearly someone who is selling a buyers list.

I could tolerate one or two WSO offers from spammers per day, but when the number reached dozens, it was no longer tolerable.

There is a pattern to a lot of the domain names. I suspect they may all be coming from 4 or 5 spammers using a worldwide email server network, or a list of compromised mailservers.

The co-registration concept that Jesus mentioned is interesting. I suspect one of the sellers I purchased from is selling their list to the spammers.

JVZoo values it's list too much to cannibalize it. I would bet it's some one trick pony WSO seller.

FYI Gmail allows you to put +anything after your username to allow future filtering.

It's sad to see people buying and selling lists. I don't know how the spammers can keep sending so much mail in 2015.

Maybe the vendors you are buying from that are selling your email. I bought a lot of products from CB, JVZoo and W+ but it never happened to me.

These are not just people selling various things. The emails promote the most popular WSOs. The emails look like any email you would get from a legitimate WSO seller you've purchased from in the past.

I suspect this started with one WSO seller who is secretly selling lists. They are being run through a list of spam network mailservers or perhaps a group of compromised mailservers around the world.

There is no consistency with IPs or mailservers. One email may come from a server in Uruguay, the next from the Philippines, the next from Brazil, and another from the USA, all using the same domain name. Some of the domains are not even registered. This means the information in the header is being spoofed.

There is also a distinct pattern with some of the domain names used, which tends to make me believe that the group of spammers is small. Here is a sample of the repetition I see.

@greensassassin.com
@greenscrusher.com
@greensdestroyer.com
@greensdominator.com
@greenseliminator.com
@greenssupremacy.com

@profitassassin.com
@profitcrusher.com
@profitdestroyer.com
@profitdominator.com
@profiteliminator.com

@rulesassassin.com
@rulescrusher.com
@rulesdestroyer.com
@rulesdominator.com
@ruleseliminator.com
@rulessupremacy.com

This is both very unethical as well as annoying.

Hi coffeediva,

From my experience, unsubscribing from a spam list only gets you on 10 times more lists and the volume of spam goes on steroids. I only unsubscribe when I know the sender is legitimate.

I just ran into a seller on jvzoo, that is sending promotions to an email address not associated with jvzoo, this guy is a jvzoo seller, I have never purchased anything from him, 276 emails in a month.

What bothers me here is that there is no way to contact JVzoo, that seems like an oversight and should be corrected.

I have kept almost all the emails for study. The best way to block them is through the email filters in cPanel. That way, they never clog up your mobile devices.

I add several more domain names to the filters every day, but that may be futile because so many of the domain names used in the email addresses are not even registered.

The spammers are JVZoo affiliates. That's clearly how they make their money. I doubt if JVZoo would do anything, but they might be able to identify the culprits through the affiliate IDs. Even that appears to be masked through redirects.

JVZoo certainly isn't going to do that. They make money from sending your buyers offers from their daily promotions as affiliates. They won't jeopardize that opportunity by selling the buyers lists.

If you're getting spammed, did not opt in, and have no way to unsubscribe.. Then they are violating Can-Spam rules and can be sued for large sums of money.

First, I would grab their link, share it with JV Zoo / vendor and report it. They'll probably get banned.

If you follow that link, see if you can figure out what their affiliate id is. It may be in the Hoplink URL, it could be on the checkout / footer page..

You could use that to track down who is doing it.

WhereGoes? - A tool for tracing the redirect path of URLs helps to figure out cloaked links final destination.

Mark

Mark, that looks like a useful tool. The links in these messages are cloaked, which is why I did not click on them in the past.

I will have to check a large number of links to see if there is a pattern of repeat abuse that I can report to JVZoo.

I'm redirecting all the spam sources I've identified via cPanel. I'm currently getting 100 to 200 JVZoo spam messages per day. I'd call that a clear case of abuse.

Thanks

I managed to block about 95% of the spam through cPanel. The latest round of WSO spam came from a jerk with servers in Lithuania and Turkey. He was using more than 50 different domain names, but it was easy to block the IP addresses used by the mailservers.

Lately I have been getting emails from lots of marketers that I KNOW I did not subscribe to. I'm not really sure what's going on because it's only started happening in the last 3 or 4 weeks. I think it could be that maybe somebody is just using my email to subscribe to different lists to get the free stuff that is being offered. As lots of marketers use single opt-in, that could explain it.

Whatever the cause it sure is annoying.

I have been getting slammed with them as well.

Sadly, from my experience, JVZoo, doesn't do anything about it. I've tried reporting many of the emails, but they just keep coming. You'd think they "should" cut of their account. And it's quite easy to see it's the same person spamming every time. They use a different "name" each time, but you can tell it's all from one person/group/what-have-you.

Wouldn't be as much spam if the money was cut off.

@infinite & other interested parties.

This is the real problem, (since JVzoo will not or refuses to communicate with its customers in any meaningful way, it is actually JVzoo that is at the heart of this issue.

Meaning that the bad behaving players, (those that are selling emails to unscrupulous spammers) or spamming you anyway.

They are free to spam you all day long, why not they know that JVzoo is like Pontus Pilot, [washing their hands] of the customers concerns or problems.

These spammers know that JVZoo is incommunicado, they know that there is almost no method of contacting JVzoo to let them know that consumers are being abused by these badly behaving spammers, criminals, jerks,

The biggest problem here (for JVzoo) is that they view (incorrectly) their customers as sellers, not buyers.

They are terribly wrong in that ASSumption.

I have repeatedly through great difficulty contacted them to let them know that not having a method of communication to report criminal activity and also spam, will create a juxtaposition where they will run into legal problems with the FTC it is only a matter of time, Ebay also faced this very same issue back in 2000 and though they don't make it easy to contact them, (Ebay even now)

If there is obviously something wrong with an item for sale, they have a way to report an infringing or illegal sale, Why did they change from an organization that

Simple, Ebay realized that they had a duty to those consumers under the Rules and Regulations of the FTC.

They realized that they could not (Hide their heads in the sand) by saying that a sale made to a vendor was not their problem because it was not their customer.

That was the original position that Ebay took on this issue.

Head in the Sand, which is where JVzoo is right now. (head in the sand)

You cant pretend that you don't have any responsibility to the consumer here and that is something that they will either find a way to correct or they might one day soon face serious legal concerns.

(Take a look at what is happening over at Clickbank) Look at what they are doing
(revamping the marketplace along with several other things)

If you are in the know there was a big shakeup over there and they are still working on ironing out issues.

(its not perfect but over all you have to make a [Meaningful effort to communicate] else you will fail at building your business online)

Simple as that just like the famous saying among academia circles, Publish or Perish, in this case its communicate or perish...

So far I have received, 306 Spam Messages, from just one of these jerks, the person that is sending them I have no relationship with at all, but its a JVzoo affiliate.

Then it spreads like a cancer, (I am now getting emails from other people of whom I also do not know nor have ever purchased anything from)

All promoting JVzoo Affiliate products.

I get 10 to 12 emails promoting the same products, (different Affiliates now right) but I don't know these people nor did I ever allow them to promote any JVZOO products.

They have a little thing about how if THEY release a product, they can contact you, but that does not mean that when [anyone] releases a product, only the one person that you actually purchased a product from, not everyone,....

I believe that JVZOO has a responsibility to open up a valid method of communicating this issue else like Robo Cop there will be trouble......

Well.... 11 emails TODAY from just one affiliate and I still have 3 more hours of my day to go! Once again I have contacted JVZoo support but unfortunately their support staff have to escalate these complaints to "management" however it really does appear that management are not "managing" the issue at all well. Not once in over 5 weeks of to and fro replies to their support desk have I heard anything from management about how they are addressing these issues.

I'd happily just block these spammers however they send from a different address every time, have different "from names" and change their physical address in the "unsubscribe" link every email. Plus, there's a more important moral issue at stake here - I hate to think that these guys are cashing in with such illegal methods whilst other affiliates are trying to do the right thing and suffer as a result.

I even showed support a copy of the below email that had obviously been incorrectly formatted (a glitch in their automated software which works in a similar manner to an article spinner I am guessing) - showing categorically that they were just out and out spamming.


and the "unsubscribe link" was formatted:


Not sure what else I could do here!

Aaron

I wouldn't be surprised if every part of the operation was automated.

Just like any spamming, it will go on till the money is cut off. And in these case, since no one has stated otherwise, we can guess they are making jvzoo too much money to do anything about it.

I can assure you, with 100% certainty, that JVZoo does not sell or share any contact information.

JVZoo does not sell products. We provide software that allows others to set up sales funnels and recruit affiliates. This software makes it easy for vendors to create a list of their buyers so they can reach out to them after the sale. A smart vendor would cherish this list and treat it with kit gloves, however that is not always the case.

While we cannot stop vendors from sharing their own contact lists, we can take action against spammers that are promoting JVZoo affiliate links. If you are certain you are receiving marketing emails that are promoting JVZoo affiliate links from someone you have not given consent to, we want to know about it.

If you feel you are being contacted by someone you have never done business with or opted in with and they are promoting an affiliate link for a product on the JVZoo system, please send an email to support@jvzoo.com. Be sure and paste a copy of the offending email (with headers, if possible) in your message.

Some things to consider before reporting:

- We cannot take action against spammers that are not using JVZoo.
- If you bought a product on JVZoo the seller has your contact info. Please be sure you are not reporting that seller.
- Please be sure you have not previously opted into the sender's email list and given permission to contact you.

If you are receiving spam from someone using an autoresponder, such as Aweber, Getresponse, Mailchimp, etc, we encourage you to click the unsubscribe button at the bottom of the email. I might add that although we research every spam complaint we receive, sometimes it is a matter of the person reporting the spam didn't realize the name of the vendor they made a purchase from or they thought they were buying product directly from JVZoo. Other times, it is a matter of someone forgetting they opted into or not realizing they opted into a mailing list when they downloaded a free report. And, of course, sometimes it is a bonafide case of spam.

We take this matter very seriously and suspend the accounts of unauthorized spammers. The amount of sales an offender has made is not a consideration. If you break the law, you get suspended. It's that simple.

Everyone,

Obviously the OP has no idea where the spam is coming from yet he has suggested in his thread title that JVZoo might be the culprit. You have heard from JVZoo's owner that his business would never sell email lists.

What I want to point out here is the damage that can be done to a business by the careless use of someone's business name in a thread. This thread title is now circulating the Internet and raising questions in people's minds even though JVZoo doesn't warrant the bad publicity.

Which brings me to the point of suggesting there is a very valid and important reasons for this #1 Rule of the forum posted years ago by Admin (probably Allen):



"MAIN FORUM RULE

If you have a problem with another Warrior, a Guru, or God, take it up with them directly. Not here. No exceptions."


I believe this rule should be in place to protect both persons (Warriors) and their businesses. Warriors break this rule all the time without caring what they might be doing to innocent members and their businesses.

Sometimes complaints are legitimate . . . sometimes not. The problem is, how do you know which is which?

You don't!

And that, my Warrior friends, is the reason why Rule #1 is so important.

If you have a problem, take it up with the offending party and stop needlessly drawing negative attention to Warriors and their businesses.

Steve

One thing that confuses me, if it is determined beyond a shadow of a doubt that an affiliate is spamming, why do they only get suspended? Why wouldn't they be banned? All I saw mentioned was suspended. I could understand if it wasn't 100% positive, and it needed to be verified. But several people in this thread have reported this spam. Not much doubt left.

Also, smart spammers are not going to use services like Aweber or Getresponse, which is the case for the spam people have reported or talked about in this thread, so that's not going to be a way to stop or slow them down. And they know this.

I guess JVZoo is taking this pretty seriously because when I just logged in to my account there was a memo warning against spamming and deceptive practices. They warn if they catch you that your account will be terminated instantly.

Good for them. I think that's the stance they needed to take on this. I just hope they follow through.

Regarding Aweber, my experience is that sometimes the initial signup is using Aweber. That gives a sense of trust since we know Aweber will definitely unsubscribe us.

Then when we do, they export the list to another provider or to their own hosted system. At that point Aweber can do nothing about it.

Mark

PS The next thread needs to be titled "Is Warrior Plus Selling Buyers Lists?"