Newbie needs help! HOW THE F*** DO I RECRUIT NEW AFFILIATES!!

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Please. This is probably the most difficult thing that I've encountered while trying to make money online.

I've created a product on making money online with Print On Demand websites (cafepress, zazzle, teespring, etc).

You can visit my website here to get a better idea of what I offer:

P.O.D. Domination — Dominate the P.O.D. Industry

I can't seem to find any affiliates for my niche that would be willing to promote my product. Where do I go to even find affiliates?? I know I can go to an affiliate site like jvzoo or clickbank, but I can't directly contact them. I also know that I can sign up for affiliate directories.

I guess what I'm asking is, where do I find affiliates contact information so that I can ask them to promote.

Sorry if this question seemed to be all over the place btw, and thanks in advance. I really appreciate any and all feedback.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    If I consider promoting a product, the first thing I look at is the sales page.

    Your sales page hurts my eyes! You seem to think readers can't understand unless you scream at them - so you have huge fonts and bright stripes for background of subtopics in even larger fonts.

    Images for no apparent reason - oversized graphics, etc.

    That "countdown script" alone would drive me from the page if I got that far down the page to begin with. Counting seconds down for WHAT? Are you really not going to give someone your bonuses? Do you think anyone believes that?

    Your testimonials are good - the product should be one in demand currently as this is hot topic for many affiliates.

    But:

    Your sales page looks like a "newbie" who got carried away with the crayons.

    Your explanation of what "P.O.D." is - is way below the fold on your sales - page. You are hyping and giving "proof of income" and chances are many visitors have no idea what you are selling.

    Tighten up that page - use font size and colors that treat your visitors like adults. Take out words and scripts and images that don't contribute to "selling" on that page.
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  • Profile picture of the author zaccks
    Well, first of all since you're new in the system and nobody actually know you or your product it's not easy to start getting a bunch of affiliates to promote your products.

    in my own opinion before you start to promote your product you should first build own list or at least a good marketing funnel that will convert well.

    when you start generating sales and you're converting at high rates eventually people will start sending you request to promote the product.

    you should also offer 100% commission rate from the beginning and then may be 75% and so on.

    and finally visit the joint venture section on this forum and create a thread that you're looking for jv with someone stating that you'll create the product and the jv partner will market the product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The JV Forum requires 50 posts before you can start a thread there...at least that's what it says in the rules.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      First...


      Originally Posted by zaccks View Post

      when you start generating sales and you're converting at high rates eventually people will start sending you request to promote the product.
      This has become a pretty standard sentiment from affiliates, because they have so many products to choose from. Unfortunately, it doesn't address your question at all.

      It's ludicrous to sit around waiting for the run of the mill affiliate to decide that your "stats" are good enough to warrant them sending an email to their list.

      You really don't want those affiliates, anyway. They will only mail once, and are just as likely to recommend a competitor's product tomorrow.

      You don't need an "army" of affiliates. Initially, you want a half-dozen or so really good affiliates that
      1. have the ability to recognize a good product offer,
      2. have a reasonably sized, responsive list, and
      3. appreciate the potential of being a "first promoter" (semi-exclusive)

      You may have to dig a little to find these affiliates, but if you are already on a number of lists yourself, dig through the past promotions you have received to see if there are any you'd like to have promoting YOUR product.

      Approach them individually via email, skype, their facebook page, etc and simply make them a good offer. Let them know that you are individually recruiting your first handful of affiliates for this offer and that you will give them a special commission rate 1) for being an early promoter and 2) for getting their first promotion out by a certain date.

      Give them a free copy of the product for their own personal use and invite reviews (at their discretion)

      you should also offer 100% commission rate from the beginning and then may be 75% and so on.
      OK - so let's just agree to ignore this guy. He's obviously one of those affiliates I mentioned before - not a product creator.


      You've apparently already listed the product on JVZoo, and I don't know if they have any way to do this, or not... but if possible, you want to delay ANY promotion at all, until you can recruit that first handful of affiliates. Give yourself, say 2 weeks, to accomplish that and then give them the green light.

      When other JVZoo affiliates see their peers promoting the product, they will go check out your offer, and sign up as affiliates (at your standard commission rate) and begin promoting, as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author esmarshall
        I'm not even sure what your talking about here

        Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post


        It's ludicrous to sit around waiting for the run of the mill affiliate to decide that your "stats" are good enough to warrant them sending an email to their list.

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        why would any affiliate put their own money up, without knowing if something converts...do you not know affiliates are trying to get paid? :s

        Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

        You really don't want those affiliates, anyway. They will only mail once, and are just as likely to recommend a competitor's product tomorrow..
        its abit trickier to keep affiliates becauses they got options, but thats why you incentivize, contests....higher commissions etc


        but yh ultimately your gonna need to build out a funnel that converts and then show some results to get affiliates interested
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        • Profile picture of the author irawr
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          Originally Posted by esmarshall View Post

          why would any affiliate put their own money up, without knowing if something converts...do you not know affiliates are trying to get paid?
          I don't personally use paid advertising into a jvzoo product. If I have a list and it makes sense to mail them, I'll mail them. That email costs me nothing.

          Sid is describing the type of affiliate that most product creators are not particularly looking for. People like me who just mail it and don't care about the product creator. I have no plans on building some kind of ongoing business based upon them or their products.

          They just get whatever sales my list generates and then I move on.

          I personally only build ongoing relationships with companies, as someone who mostly does SEO, I can't trust any individual on a network like jvzoo.

          The company will most likely be there 2 years from now, I have no idea about some random guy on jvzoo.

          Note: I'm not in the IM niche, I don't promote hopes and dreams, magic push button money solutions, or work at home scams. The OP's course seems pretty legit (I have not taken it to be clear.) From my experience with Ebay and eCommerce, there's a bunch of different ways to make real money with what the OP's course was about. I'm not sure if his course actually teaches those things, but I assure you, it's a legit tactic.
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          • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
            Originally Posted by irawr View Post

            Sid is describing the type of affiliate that most product creators are not particularly looking for. People like me who just mail it and don't care about the product creator. I have no plans on building some kind of ongoing business based upon them or their products.

            They just get whatever sales my list generates and then I move on.
            but... if I DID get you signed up, and I DID send you an announcement of a second/third follow up product, would you be averse to mailing on those offers as well?
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            • Profile picture of the author irawr
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              Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

              but... if I DID get you signed up, and I DID send you an announcement of a second/third follow up product, would you be averse to mailing on those offers as well?
              Of course not.

              Tip: There's a few companies that do this, they require all emails to be approved, but they give you preapproved template emails from time to time. Any time I get the preapproved ones I always mail them because it cuts almost all of the effort out of the process. If you're a product creator, make sure you are GIVING your affiliates some example emails to send. Some people will just cut/paste them and they won't put more work into it then that
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        • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
          Originally Posted by esmarshall View Post

          I'm not even sure what your talking about here

          why would any affiliate put their own money up, without knowing if something converts...do you not know affiliates are trying to get paid? :s
          Stats report an "average" percentage that includes the performance of both good and bad affiliates... both those that research their promotions and those that simply promote the "next shiny object"... those that take the time to establish a relationship with their lists and those that don't... and those that promote only those products where they find value vs. those that send out 1 or more promotions every day for a different product, rather than sending multiple promotions for the same product over a period of time.

          Unfortunately, there's no way to determine simply from EPC, how many of which of the above types of affiliates have promoted the product. No way to determine the "mix" of type of affiliate, nor where/how/how often those affiliates promoted that product.

          As in any business, 90+% of affiliates fail (I'm being very generous here), and it really doesn't matter whether the products they promote show a good EPC, or not. They will fail, regardless. However, their performance is included in any aggregate stats for any product. How can the aggregate track record of x number of affiliates be of any value when we don't know who the affiliates were, how they promoted (free/paid, mailing list, solo ad, etc.), or whether there were an inordinate number of "failed" affiliates who promoted.

          Instead of relying on aggregate stats, the good affiliate will a) understand the needs of their target market and whether a given product addresses those needs, b) be aware of competing products and how a given product fares against those competitors in terms of benefits delivered, and c) have established a trust relationship and/or a reputation with their target market giving their recommendation a higher level of credibility.

          A good affiliate doesn't need (or even care about) the "validation" of other affiliates in the form of aggregate stats.

          They'll favor the vendor with a high credibility level, but they will also look for the "gems" from unknown vendors. They'll take the time to evaluate the vendor's sales page. They'll consider the level of competition in the marketplace. They'll evaluate the professionalism of the offer and the level of support typically given by the vendor to the end customer as well as to their affiliate sales force.

          its abit trickier to keep affiliates becauses they got options, but thats why you incentivize, contests....higher commissions etc
          Contests, 100% commissions on the front end, etc. are all just "gimmicks" to get initial sign ups to an affiliate program (not unlike affiliate marketers using "freebies" to build a list). It doesn't matter that your affiliates have options for promoting other vendors products. They need those options so that they have something to promote in between the offers you give them

          What is important is that you build a relationship with your affiliates so that when you DO launch a new product, they can't wait to get their mailing out. When you announce a special sale, they want to make sure their customers hear about it from them!

          but yh ultimately your gonna need to build out a funnel that converts and then show some results to get affiliates interested
          That depends on the caliber of affiliate you are trying to attract.

          A funnel is great for sales today, but it's only necessary if the vendor is using 100% commissions on the front end (to attract affiliates) so there is some way for the vendor to earn via the rest of the funnel.

          More important to an affiliate is how complete your product line is. What other commission opportunities do you have in place for them? Do you have a second/third related product that they can promote later in the week/month?

          Help them build a real business, and they will help you build yours!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
    I reviewed your sales page, as well, and agree with most of what Kay said above, but...

    I'm a little more forgiving and I understand the mistakes she pointed out. I've been doing this over a decade, and I still can't do a good sales page myself.

    Take her advice.

    I got the impression that this is probably your first attempt at product creation/promotion. If so, you're doing better than most, and will do better over time.

    I don't know for sure what the rules are, but don't you have enough posts to put your sales page link in your sig file? There should be a number of members here that would respond to your offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    I also know that I can sign up for affiliate directories.
    http://www.warriorforum.com/affiliate-program-database/
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  • Profile picture of the author luane
    Be sure (if you haven't already) to list your product launches at the popular calendars such as Muncheye.com and JVNotify.com and JVZoo's own Product Launch Calendar. Affiliates check these calendars daily. Another way is to look at the Leaderboards of the last month's launches and start reaching out to each of them and building a RELATIONSHIP on Facebook or by email. It takes effort, but it will be well worth it in the end. Also, offering 100% throughout the funnel is sometimes done to recruit more affiliates. Lastly, offering a Contest with cash prizes and then listing the Leaderboard as your launch progresses works very well. Hope that helps! Kristie Chiles-Arp
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    • Profile picture of the author PIGGY BANK NINJA
      They will only mail once, and are just as likely to recommend a competitor's product tomorrow.
      This accounts for almost all affiliate marketers promoting Internet marketing related products.

      Look for an affiliate who takes the time to prepare an authentic and valuable review on their website. Then contact them about your product.
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      • Profile picture of the author webcashuk
        I think you got some excellent advice above. Whilst obviously you wish to sell your product and you can't help but be biased about it, think properly about who you want promoting it. Personally I won't promote anything to my followers that I am not 100 percent happy with. I work too hard and perhaps more importantly value the people on my list to promote anything to them.
        Don't get me wrong your product may be fantastic but until I am satisfied with it I simply won't promote it even if you offered 150 percent.
        But that's just me. As was mentioned above you have probably and probably are still on some lists.
        Scroll back and see which lists you like, and which are just a daily source of sell sell sell.
        I wouldn't imagine you would want to be promoted by the churn and burn brigade.
        You have probably put a lot of time and effort into your product, so retain the value and sell it through properly vetted and approved affiliates.

        All the best and well done for taking action, that's more than most people do

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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          "Newbie needs help! HOW THE F*** DO I RECRUIT NEW AFFILIATES!!"

          Definitely by NOT dropping F- bombs whether spelt out or not
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          • Profile picture of the author irawr
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            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            "Newbie needs help! HOW THE F*** DO I RECRUIT NEW AFFILIATES!!"

            Definitely by NOT dropping F- bombs whether spelt out or not
            Coming from the guy who owns "bestdarnhomebusiness.com"

            I see, it's okay when you do it, but not when somebody else does it. Got it.

            Edit: just curious, did your site network get penalized?

            Code:
            w*****f***e***m*****.com
            F***M****i*5m******.com
            m*d***f***g***.com
            w****w***w***a*h***.com
            a**y**l******f**t***.com
            That was kinda easy to find, I would suggest you unlink that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    Yup. Definitely leave the F-bombs to professional F-bombers like myself.

    I can do it and get away with it - the cutesy "puppy and me" avatar has its advantages, you know (but in truth I'm a totally evil bitch, and I killed, cooked and ate the puppy the same night I took the pic).
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

      Yup. Definitely leave the F-bombs to professional F-bombers like myself.

      I can do it and get away with it - the cutesy "puppy and me" avatar has its advantages, you know (but in truth I'm a totally evil thread resurrection bitch, and I killed, cooked and ate the puppy the same night I took the pic).
      Fixed that for you
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    • Profile picture of the author Key Seek
      Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

      Yup. Definitely leave the F-bombs to professional F-bombers like myself.

      I can do it and get away with it - the cutesy "puppy and me" avatar has its advantages, you know (but in truth I'm a totally evil bitch, and I killed, cooked and ate the puppy the same night I took the pic).


      May I suggest your office uniform?


      F*** You You F***ing F*** T-Shirt | CafePress.com


      And Oh the irony! These shirts are print on demand.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    @discrat, Lol. I couldn't resist bumping this one - mischievous me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Your sales page hurts my eyes!
      Oh, it is still horrendous after 3 months now.

      And I agree, leave the f bombs to the f'n f'd up members who have earned the f'n right.
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      • Profile picture of the author Key Seek
        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        Oh, it is still horrendous after 3 months now.

        And I agree, leave the f bombs to the f'n f'd up members who have earned the f'n right.

        You should also get the T shirt: http://www.cafepress.com/mf/35644829...ctId=440927233
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        • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
          Originally Posted by Key Seek View Post

          You should also get the T shirt: F*** You You F***ing F*** T-Shirt | CafePress.com
          Only if freelancer approves it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Key Seek
            Jill, I need your advice: I want to go with a matching T shirt set for me and my son.


            The F bomb T shirt is nice, but it may get him in trouble at school.


            Maybe a better choice would be a shirt stating "I pooped today."


            We eat a lot of fiber.




            Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

            Only if freelancer approves it.
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  • Profile picture of the author CBGCash
    I agree with Kay, you need a better sales page. You can have a mini site designed for you by searching for minisite design on Google. Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author irawr
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      Originally Posted by CBGCash View Post

      I agree with Kay, you need a better sales page. You can have a mini site designed for you by searching for minisite design on Google. Good luck!

      Dramatic Chipmonk saw YOUR signature link...
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    I can't seem to find any affiliates for my niche that would be willing to promote my product. Where do I go to even find affiliates??




    You need to work harder....no offence but if you can't even find affiliates, how are you going to manage your affiliate army? Payment processers and refunds or even the barrage of emails you get from these affiliates?
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  • Profile picture of the author Key Seek
    Of course the undisputed King of the F word is/was Johnny Lydon;


    Ah! **** this and **** that
    **** it all tha **** out of the ******* brat
    She don't wanna a baby that looks like that
    I don't…


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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I've seen less BS at a livestock auction.
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    You sell your product. You document what works. When you hit something that converts well, you make it available to possible affiliates.

    If you can't sell it, maybe it's not possible to sell it.

    You need to show proof that it can sell. And have resources to make it easy for affiliates to promote it.

    Then you advertise that you're looking for affiliate where affiliates exist... Clickbank, Warriorforum, etc.

    Originally Posted by bleek7712 View Post

    Please. This is probably the most difficult thing that I've encountered while trying to make money online.

    I've created a product on making money online with Print On Demand websites (cafepress, zazzle, teespring, etc).

    You can visit my website here to get a better idea of what I offer:

    P.O.D. Domination &mdash; Dominate the P.O.D. Industry

    I can't seem to find any affiliates for my niche that would be willing to promote my product. Where do I go to even find affiliates?? I know I can go to an affiliate site like jvzoo or clickbank, but I can't directly contact them. I also know that I can sign up for affiliate directories.

    I guess what I'm asking is, where do I find affiliates contact information so that I can ask them to promote.

    Sorry if this question seemed to be all over the place btw, and thanks in advance. I really appreciate any and all feedback.
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  • Profile picture of the author essmeier
    Buy ads on Facebook that say you're looking for affiliates. Target people interested in Clickbank, JVZoo, Paydotcom.com and Warrior Plus.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rickling
    Hey Brian
    Seen your post and trying to do exactly what you are attempting first and foremost and I think was already suggested build a list with your current product or very similar one I assume have a squeeze setup to it somewhere somehow right and then once they are on your list use some followups to promote your affiliate product and offer a high commission for them to promote it as well when they buy it...

    monitor that and see how it so goes make sure you are recording the sales thru possibly JVZOO and then will be seen and should attract attention alright... Pretty hard to just get affiliates without emailing them first I think may get some joining you in JVZoo but most don't do anything even when you program it as a launch unless in partnership with someone who is already got a high level of branding in the industry and that niche as well etc...
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Don't get hung up on the fact that you are looking for independent, solo IMers like many of the people here on the WF.

      Your best affiliates will most likely be popular and authoritative web site owners in your niche that will possibly charge you for the privilege of putting your ad on their site.

      Here are three more suggestions:

      1. Ask your current customers to promote your product. There's few marketing strategies better than getting satisfied customers to promote what they already have purchased and like.

      2. Get others in your niche to promote your product. I'm not talking about direct competitors . . . but find sellers in your niche that aren't selling the same things you offer. Often business people in your niche will be looking for allied or related products to sell on their web site as a service to their customers that will make additional revenue for them.

      3. Go to SimilarWeb and see where your top competitors (those at the top of the search results for your main keywords) are getting their traffic. Chances are . . . you might be able to find businesses and web sites that would be willing to offer your products as well as their own. I'm saying that you can tap into the traffic that is already going to web sites in your niche with a compelling banner, text link, or even content contributions that allow a link in your signature.

      The very best to you,

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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    I went to your site and clicked on affiliates. Guess what, there is no sign up form to become an affiliate. just saying

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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Getting affiliates is easy. Here are some tips on how you can get new affiliates for your offer:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post9479434
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