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For those of you that write articles and end them with a link to a clickbank offer or a cpa offer or something.

How many sales do you get per maybe 1,000 or 5,000 article views?

I'm thinking about spending a lot of money on backlinking to rank articles for VERY highly searched targeted keywords.

But I've seen so many say that you should write articles in numbers.
WHY not just build backlinks to get thousands and thousands of views to them?

Also, which article directory is best?
I'm guessing GoArticles because of like no ads I think.
And less rules.

So I think I'll use GoArticles.
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  • Profile picture of the author Travis72802
    Great question.

    May I offer a different viewpoint?

    Your sales will vary widely depending on the
    niche or audience your articles speak too.

    It sounds like you are just starting out?

    I don't know.

    I'd like to suggest you see which articles
    bring in the money...AND THEN...build some
    backlinks.

    I'd also like you to consider...

    That if you've got several articles all in
    the SAME niche throwing money at ya...

    Why not start a blog or website and build
    your backlinks there?

    Cheering For Ya,
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    • Profile picture of the author CDawson
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      Originally Posted by Travis72802 View Post

      Great question.

      May I offer a different viewpoint?

      Your sales will vary widely depending on the
      niche or audience your articles speak too.

      It sounds like you are just starting out?

      I don't know.

      I'd like to suggest you see which articles
      bring in the money...AND THEN...build some
      backlinks.

      I'd also like you to consider...

      That if you've got several articles all in
      the SAME niche throwing money at ya...

      Why not start a blog or website and build
      your backlinks there?

      Cheering For Ya,
      Travis
      That sounds like a great idea, test products using article marketing, if you have success then seek it further.
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    • Profile picture of the author BumMarketingT
      Originally Posted by Travis72802 View Post

      Great question.

      May I offer a different viewpoint?

      Your sales will vary widely depending on the
      niche or audience your articles speak too.

      It sounds like you are just starting out?

      I don't know.

      I'd like to suggest you see which articles
      bring in the money...AND THEN...build some
      backlinks.

      I'd also like you to consider...

      That if you've got several articles all in
      the SAME niche throwing money at ya...

      Why not start a blog or website and build
      your backlinks there?

      Cheering For Ya,
      Travis
      Cool thank you, and yes I will start my own blog or website also but I won't be able to conquer those very highly searched keywords with my website until later.

      What I'm doing is stuff like Angela, ranking for keywords like her "backlinks" keyword. Although mine are a little more long tail and less competetive.
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      • Profile picture of the author Arnold JVR
        You should also use common sense, when doing keyword research most of the time you can know before hand if it will make you money. Use your gut feeling.

        Working on one article for a good keyword, 1000+ searches per day can beat the heck out of working for 10 articles for 20 searches per day.

        All depends on the keyword(s) & market.
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        • Profile picture of the author CDawson
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          Originally Posted by Arnold JVR View Post

          You should also use common sense, when doing keyword research most of the time you can know before hand if it will make you money. Use your gut feeling.

          Working on one article for a good keyword, 1000+ searches per day can beat the heck out of working for 10 articles for 20 searches per day.

          All depends on the keyword(s) & market.
          That is a good point as well and it also brings up the subject of competition, this statement is one reason why I have no fear for competition in any single niche.
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  • I don´t think you can easily find a keyword with 1000+ searches a day where you can rank easy with an article. 1000+ a day means 30,000+ a month. You will need quite some backlinks to conquer a keyword like that. These are keywords not even the large players in your niche will neglect.

    Article marketers targeting lower keywords do this for a reason. Not because they never got the idea to reach higher.
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    • Profile picture of the author BumMarketingT
      Originally Posted by affiliated survivor View Post

      I don´t think you can easily find a keyword with 1000+ searches a day where you can rank easy with an article. 1000+ a day means 30,000+ a month. You will need quite some backlinks to conquer a keyword like that. These are keywords not even the large players in your niche will neglect.

      Article marketers targeting lower keywords do this for a reason. Not because they never got the idea to reach higher.
      hmm interesting because I am ranking nr.9 for a keyword with 70,000 searches a month.
      And that's after submitting it the day before (yesterday of course) and building just a few backlinks.
      And its not even on a site as strong as Ezine Articles.

      Now I just have to bring it to rank 1,2 or 3 at first.

      So let me get this clear, if I can't with my article, and no others go for it, then who does? I would think that a lot of empty keywords would be there.
      Hmm.

      Well then you better get working if no one else goes for it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Arnold JVR
      How long have you been trying to do SEO? If you look hard enough you'll find plenty with low competition.

      I'd like to meet these smart article marketers you're talking about, where do you find them?

      Here's an example I found in 10 seconds:

      1300 searches per day, 8K comp in quotes.

      Can you believe it? An ezine article on first page with one back link.

      "tattoo designs of zodiac signs"
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      • Profile picture of the author BumMarketingT
        Originally Posted by Arnold JVR View Post

        How long have you been trying to do SEO? If you look hard enough you'll find plenty with low competition.

        Here's an example I found in 10 seconds:

        1300 searches per day, 8K comp in quotes.

        Can you believe it? An ezine article on first page with one back link.

        "tattoo designs of zodiac signs"
        yes exactly what I'm talking about.
        So easy, often you find randomly submitted articles with 0 or a little more backlinks ranking for those keywords.
        THANKS for backing me up.

        edit: still I don't see how that keyword gets 1300 searches per day, what did you use?
        But that don't matter, there are tons. Mine are 100% deffinately well converting keywords for clickbank offers and such.
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        • Profile picture of the author Arnold JVR
          What are the chances of me finding the exact keyword you used lol
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          • Profile picture of the author BumMarketingT
            Originally Posted by Arnold JVR View Post

            What are the chances of me finding the exact keyword you used lol
            just an example based off your keyword
            tattoo letter designs: 40,000 searches a month
            in quotes only 2,000 competitors

            ezinearticles with 0 backlinks on page 1
            in quotes the article is in like second position

            This keyword has a domain kinda dominating position 1 though.
            And plus I would never know what to do with that keyword. Well maybe.
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            • Profile picture of the author theultimate1
              Originally Posted by BumMarketingT View Post

              just an example based off your keyword
              tattoo letter designs: 40,000 searches a month
              in quotes only 2,000 competitors

              ezinearticles with 0 backlinks on page 1
              in quotes the article is in like second position

              This keyword has a domain kinda dominating position 1 though.
              And plus I would never know what to do with that keyword. Well maybe.
              Why does everyone search "in quotes?" I'm assuming there's a reason. But I'd like to know what it is please.

              Also, why not search without the quotes around the search terms? How many actual searchers really put the quotes around their search terms?

              Please help me with this one

              Thanks
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              • Profile picture of the author Lutz80
                The quotes are for the pages and sites with that actual keyword or term in it. depending if you are looking for intitle inanchor or intext. And as long as you have a strong strategy for ranking and seo I think you can attack any niche or keyword as long as you know your competiton and what it will take to out rank them.
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      • Profile picture of the author bluefoot
        Originally Posted by Arnold JVR View Post

        How long have you been trying to do SEO? If you look hard enough you'll find plenty with low competition.

        I'd like to meet these smart article marketers you're talking about, where do you find them?

        Here's an example I found in 10 seconds:

        1300 searches per day, 8K comp in quotes.

        Can you believe it? An ezine article on first page with one back link.

        "tattoo designs of zodiac signs"
        This is a fabulous thread with a lot of great information, but I have a question about this quoted post. I thought I understood how to use the Google Adwords Tool so either I have it all wrong or the above post's example is wrong.

        When I put "tattoo designs of zodiac signs" in GAT, I get 800 global monthly searches. (same result for Broad and Exact) That's way off from 1300 per day. Am I missing something here?

        Phil
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        • Profile picture of the author Arnold JVR
          Originally Posted by bluefoot View Post

          This is a fabulous thread with a lot of great information, but I have a question about this quoted post. I thought I understood how to use the Google Adwords Tool so either I have it all wrong or the above post's example is wrong.

          When I put "tattoo designs of zodiac signs" in GAT, I get 800 global monthly searches. (same result for Broad and Exact) That's way off from 1300 per day. Am I missing something here?

          Phil
          What I did exactly was went to wordtracker typed in tattoo and looked for a long tailed uncommon keyword with allot of searches.

          As it is Word tracker's results aren't very accurate, most of the time it overestimates but then again reports of only 1 search per day has given me 20+ visitors per day to one of my websites. It would seem as if the lower search volumes are more accurate or underestimates.

          You would be better off using multiple keyword research tools, or going to ezine articles & look for the amount of views articles are receiving for the given or related keywords.

          Interesting post I recently found: Search Engine War: How Accurate is the Google Keyword Tool?s Volume Estimates?

          This shows Google External K Tool underestimates when looking at the local search colomn and over estimates with global search column. Keep in mind this includes Googles search networks(Youtube, ask.com etc.) so the actual Google traffic would be less.

          Wordtracker is driven by searches done at Dogpile and MetaCrawler, which are both Meta search engines. The majority of searches are done on G, Y!, or MSN. Wordtracker uses a formula, they multiply their results which is only 0.63% of all searches to determine the overall searches. complete formula: http://freekeywords.wordtracker.com/...ch-volume.html
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      • Profile picture of the author love99pk
        Originally Posted by Arnold JVR View Post

        How long have you been trying to do SEO? If you look hard enough you'll find plenty with low competition.

        I'd like to meet these smart article marketers you're talking about, where do you find them?

        Here's an example I found in 10 seconds:

        1300 searches per day, 8K comp in quotes.

        Can you believe it? An ezine article on first page with one back link.

        "tattoo designs of zodiac signs"
        Great research guys,thanks for your sharing:1300 searches per day, 8K comp in quotes.
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  • Profile picture of the author slashman
    The plan sounds great in theory, but in practice it really can't work. The reason is ezinearicles and goarticles are 2 highly respected websites, but they can't beat well optimized websites in the specific niche your targeting. 1000+ searches a day is so much that a lot of larger companies would target them. Trying to compete with that might take a long time even if you are using goarticles.

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    • Profile picture of the author BumMarketingT
      Originally Posted by slashman View Post

      The plan sounds great in theory, but in practice it really can't work. The reason is ezinearicles and goarticles are 2 highly respected websites, but they can't beat well optimized websites in the specific niche your targeting. 1000+ searches a day is so much that a lot of larger companies would target them. Trying to compete with that might take a long time even if you are using goarticles.

      Thanks,

      George
      Again interesting, and my article is in a huge niche.
      Dude nope there are huge amounts of highly searched keywords you can dominate.
      I have just now gotten 20 articles written for me, 2 for each keyword. I just did a little keyword research.
      No established top domain pages ranking, just other articles and such. Will be a peace of cake.

      BTW this is ALL based of Google's keyword tool.
      Besides I have proof they are highly searched by looking at other articles I've seen that have multi thousands of views. Some over a hundred thousand. And I've checked their backlinks, peace of cake.

      I know what you mean though, I've seen those companies dominating keywords that would be very hard to compete with.
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      • Profile picture of the author BumMarketingT
        oh nice, the place where I submitted this article yesterday has cool tracking and shows the top places where the visitors came form. Nr.1 shows Google/search
        AND it shows the top keyword, and its exactly that keyword I was trying to rank for. So the plan is working so far. Now I just have to rocket shoot its butt up the rankings
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  • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
    I wouldn't waste a second building backlinks to an article in a directory. Put it on your own site first and build backlinks to that, INCLUDING putting a variant article in the directories that link back to the one on your site.

    Cut out the middle man.

    If you put an article in a directory and it ranks in Google, it's NOT because the directory is awesome. It's because no other sites are really trying that hard to rank and the directories are winning by default.

    I promise you will get much better results if you skip the article directory part as your main focus and use them as part of your backlinking plan.

    Even if you're just sticking these on a free blogger blog for now until you get your own site, you will do better than putting it on an article directory.

    Just look at it this way - in the article directory, how many ways can the visitor leave the page where you DON'T get paid? Hundreds. How many ways can they leave and give you a chance at some dough? ONE.

    You have to be a hell of a copywriter to get them to click through.

    If the article is on your own site, there is ONE way they can leave without you getting paid (or at least have the potential). All the rest are to your benefit. This means that it can work BETTER even if your article is of LOW quality, because you get paid when they go somewhere else.

    Make sense?
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    • Profile picture of the author BumMarketingT
      Originally Posted by Keith Kogane View Post

      I wouldn't waste a second building backlinks to an article in a directory. Put it on your own site first and build backlinks to that, INCLUDING putting a variant article in the directories that link back to the one on your site.

      Cut out the middle man.

      If you put an article in a directory and it ranks in Google, it's NOT because the directory is awesome. It's because no other sites are really trying that hard to rank and the directories are winning by default.

      I promise you will get much better results if you skip the article directory part as your main focus and use them as part of your backlinking plan.

      Even if you're just sticking these on a free blogger blog for now until you get your own site, you will do better than putting it on an article directory.

      Just look at it this way - in the article directory, how many ways can the visitor leave the page where you DON'T get paid? Hundreds. How many ways can they leave and give you a chance at some dough? ONE.

      You have to be a hell of a copywriter to get them to click through.

      If the article is on your own site, there is ONE way they can leave without you getting paid (or at least have the potential). All the rest are to your benefit. This means that it can work BETTER even if your article is of LOW quality, because you get paid when they go somewhere else.

      Make sense?
      THANK YOU
      I wish I could give you 1,000 thanks and a billion dollars.

      I was JUST semi realizing this right now and your post just gave me the 100% reassurance to NOT use article directories.

      Making my website ASAP, RIGHT NOW.

      Thanks!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author Arnold JVR
        Originally Posted by BumMarketingT View Post

        THANK YOU
        I wish I could give you 1,000 thanks and a billion dollars.

        I was JUST semi realizing this right now and your post just gave me the 100% reassurance to NOT use article directories.

        Making my website ASAP, RIGHT NOW.

        Thanks!!!
        You should still use article directories because they pass link authority to your submitted article and to build links to your web2.0, but submit the article to your blog first and wait until it's indexed before posting the same content elsewhere, Google's content filtering will rank the blogs content higher because they indexed it first and will see it as the main author. For a keyword like that you could have the article, your blog and any web2.0 ranking on first page dominating it.
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    • Profile picture of the author tdpubs
      I'd go one better. Put the article on your blog that has the keyword in the title. Blogs still rank higher and faster. The blog can have your offer as well as any subscription boxes as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author haikuangel
    I think that these are really interesting and intelligent insights on the effectiveness of articles and their impact on product viability and consumerism. I have to agree that the selling power of a product, being online as it may be may depend on the interest range and the demographic that it appeals to.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    You're getting some bad advice in spots in this thread. I've been doing article marketing for over 5 years and I can tell you with certainty to ignore those telling you to forget going after keywords that get a lot of searches.

    It's a common rookie mistake to believe that high search volume = high competition. When you get good at doing proper keyword research, you'll discover that there are many KW's in just about any niche you can think of that get lots of monthly searches and have low competition. Learn to do that and then your idea of going after such KW's + building backlinks to articles at places like GoArticles and EZA will yield you fantastic results.

    Putting an article built around such KW's on your own property can also be done, of course. Do both. The article is YOUR property, after all. But unless your site is well established or the KW in question has extremely low competition, you're much better served in terms of backlinking power to point those links to your article on a site like EZA. EZA is PR6 (last time I checked) and Google spiders it multiple times each day. It is clearly THE authority site in the article directory area. Piggy-back on that power. I have literally dozens of articles there that rank nicely with just a few backlinks from Angela's and Paul's high PR link packets.

    One other note...

    The key once you get a system like this in place is to test the hell out of resource boxes. It's all well and good to get eyeballs on your articles via high rankings. But, if you're getting a tiny % of those readers to actually click thru to your site, what's the use?

    The more page views your articles get, the more traffic you're losing out on if your resource boxes at the end of the articles are duds.

    Here's a good simple formula for jacking up the click-thru rate in your resource box...

    Strong call to action + benefit(s) for the reader = higher CTR

    You want to tell the reader explicitly to click that link and visit your site now (strong call to action). Then give them a no-brainer reason or two to do it (benefits).

    Finally, don't create a clear break between the end of your article body and the beginning of the resource box. Learn how to write the ends of your articles so that they flow smoothly into your resource box. That way the reader won't think, "Here come his sales pitch." Instead, he'll think, "That all makes sense. Yes, I probably should click that link to see how this writer can help me some more."

    OK, I just gave you a $27 ebook's worth of tips for free. LOL Use them!

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      But unless your site is well established or the KW in question has extremely low competition, you're much better served in terms of backlinking power to point those links to your article on a site like EZA. EZA is PR6 (last time I checked) and Google spiders it multiple times each day. It is clearly THE authority site in the article directory area. Piggy-back on that power. I have literally dozens of articles there that rank nicely with just a few backlinks from Angela's and Paul's high PR link packets.
      If you put your own articles on a blog you update frequently and submit your RSS feed around to aggregators, you can get crawled every day too. The PR 6 is a nice trick, but the only real benefit you or I can get from that is via that backlink, so yes, put an article there if you like, but make sure and point it to your own property.

      You MIGHT be able to make some money as a bum marketer, but it should really be used as a promotional strategy for a site you own, and treat it as a backlinking activity rather than the repository for your content/the place you make your pitch.

      There's just WAY too much distraction on an article directory. The only valuable thing they offer me that's WORTH my content is a backlink, and even that is arguable.

      Sure you can rank in the SERPs from fast (sometimes) from posting in the directories, and sure you can get good at writing the article footer so people will click over to you. But that requires testing and skill, as you said.

      All you need to do to work on getting rankings as good or better than ANY article directory is have the content on a site you control, and build backlinks. That's it. (Including ezine - it's REALLY easy to outrank ezine - I challenge anyone to try it).

      In my experience, EVERY TIME an article in a directory ranks on the first page for a keyword, it's because NO OTHER site on that results page is optimizing for it correctly. It's always by default.

      And building backlinks to someone else's article directory is just insane to me - you know WHY they have that PR 6 ranking? You know WHY they find it easy to rank by default for so many phrases? It's because people choose to link to them for FREE. Sounds crazy to me, but YMMV.

      I'd rather make money for myself than help them get AdSense clicks off of my hard work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shana_Adam
    Also is it not the case that fresh material can be on the first page of google initially. then it can get dropped for miles of the radar.

    Rss,pinging,bookmarking etc will get you on the first page.

    Getting on the first page of google is not a problem Staying there long term is!
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Yes Shana. That's called the QDF (Query Deserves Freshness) Effect. Most new content will spike up, then drop down to its "real" ranking position after a short time. This is why you see so many less experienced people starting threads here at WF bragging about how they got a great KW ranked on Page 1 within 48 hours (or whatever) without doing anything but being brilliant writers who know everything there is to know about SEO. Then a few days later those folks are nowhere to be found. Always cracks me up.

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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Keith,

    I'm with you 100% if you have the time/patience/etc. to build a worthy content site of your own. It's always better to build links to your own properties in terms of the long term benefits.

    But a lot of marketers are looking for traffic to a landing page or sales page or squeeze page, or even to a simple TLD that redirects to a vendor's sales page. You're not typically going to build such a thing into a high PR behemoth that can compete with the likes of a major article directory for ranking power. They need an option too, and more to the point, they need a quick option.

    I've seen articles at EZA get picked up within a few hours and be indexed at Google. With the right KW choice, you can get that baby near the top of Google within a few days in some cases. Unless you have a truly non-competitive KW on your hands, good luck getting those kind of super-fast results posting an article on your PR1 or PR2 site.

    Long term, you're exactly right for many people with content sites or blogs. Short term, an article directory + good backlinks is like pushing the Fast Forward button on your DVD player. EZA posts new articles on their heavily spidered homepage for a day or so. There aren't many sites out there that will get your new article picked up faster. I know I certainly don't own one nearly that powerful.

    Either way, the key to this all is learning how to do keyword research correctly.

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      Keith,

      I'm with you 100% if you have the time/patience/etc. to build a worthy content site of your own. It's always better to build links to your own properties in terms of the long term benefits.

      But a lot of marketers are looking for traffic to a landing page or sales page or squeeze page, or even to a simple TLD that redirects to a vendor's sales page. You're not typically going to build such a thing into a high PR behemoth that can compete with the likes of a major article directory for ranking power. They need an option too, and more to the point, they need a quick option.

      I've seen articles at EZA get picked up within a few hours and be indexed at Google. With the right KW choice, you can get that baby near the top of Google within a few days in some cases. Unless you have a truly non-competitive KW on your hands, good luck getting those kind of super-fast results posting an article on your PR1 or PR2 site.

      Long term, you're exactly right for many people with content sites or blogs. Short term, an article directory + good backlinks is like pushing the Fast Forward button on your DVD player. EZA posts new articles on their heavily spidered homepage for a day or so. There aren't many sites out there that will get your new article picked up faster. I know I certainly don't own one nearly that powerful.

      Either way, the key to this all is learning how to do keyword research correctly.

      John
      Again, an ezine article might indeed get ranked fast. But there's very little profitable opportunity for you on that real estate. You get the one backlink.

      It's like you're taking a wonderful low competition keyword and giving it to Ezine FOR FREE to put their ads all over it. Now THEY rank for that awesome keyword YOU FOUND. Ezine would NEVER have EVER ranked for that keyword if you hadn't given it to them. And now that you have, if YOU ever want to rank above them, you've created your own competition!

      Add to that you've taken a keyword that has LOW competition in the SERPs (where you have a chance at making a profitable transaction with the searcher) and basically REMOVED yourself by one step (now the searcher has to go THROUGH ezine to get to you) and INCREASED your competition for that keyword because now your one little link has to fight with all the ads on that article directory page.

      You know who writes the PPC ads in the content network? Marketers that are generally a LOT better at converting than the person trying to make a sale from pure "bum" marketing.

      And if, as you say, it's all about speed for the newbie, that's just a crock too, frankly. Because the newbie is NOT going to be able to write articles good enough to convert without lots of experience and wasted effort. You too can rank on page 1 and make NO MONEY AT ALL! (Where as I pointed out, Ezine actually stands to make more with an ad click if the article is BAD at converting that resource box click for the author.)

      And the newbies aren't going to learn keyword research without lots of trial and effort either, but when they go the bum route, they don't even get the benefit of these mistakes because they've given ALL that work to the directories. All the tested keywords, all the content.

      Meanwhile, the article directories can laugh all the way to the bank. No matter what way you look at it, bum marketing just doesn't make sense if you're not treating it as just a backlink building method.

      Or possibly to put your article in front of potential publishers, but that's rare since hardly anyone wants to republish directory content due to a popular misunderstanding about the dreaded "duplicate content penalty" unicorn.
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      • Profile picture of the author Arnold JVR
        Originally Posted by Keith Kogane View Post

        Again, an ezine article might indeed get ranked fast. But there's very little profitable opportunity for you on that real estate. You get the one backlink.

        It's like you're taking a wonderful low competition keyword and giving it to Ezine FOR FREE to put their ads all over it. Now THEY rank for that awesome keyword YOU FOUND. Ezine would NEVER have EVER ranked for that keyword if you hadn't given it to them. And now that you have, if YOU ever want to rank above them, you've created your own competition!

        Add to that you've taken a keyword that has LOW competition in the SERPs (where you have a chance at making a profitable transaction with the searcher) and basically REMOVED yourself by one step (now the searcher has to go THROUGH ezine to get to you) and INCREASED your competition for that keyword because now your one little link has to fight with all the ads on that article directory page.

        You know who writes the PPC ads in the content network? Marketers that are generally a LOT better at converting than the person trying to make a sale from pure "bum" marketing.

        And if, as you say, it's all about speed for the newbie, that's just a crock too, frankly. Because the newbie is NOT going to be able to write articles good enough to convert without lots of experience and wasted effort. You too can rank on page 1 and make NO MONEY AT ALL! (Where as I pointed out, Ezine actually stands to make more with an ad click if the article is BAD at converting that resource box click for the author.)

        And the newbies aren't going to learn keyword research without lots of trial and effort either, but when they go the bum route, they don't even get the benefit of these mistakes because they've given ALL that work to the directories. All the tested keywords, all the content.

        Meanwhile, the article directories can laugh all the way to the bank. No matter what way you look at it, bum marketing just doesn't make sense if you're not treating it as just a backlink building method.

        Or possibly to put your article in front of potential publishers, but that's rare since hardly anyone wants to republish directory content due to a popular misunderstanding about the dreaded "duplicate content penalty" unicorn.
        If you hypnotize them with your words they won't notice the adds, just kidding lol. You should do that though

        I do agree with you, some people have a mental block when it comes to writing, others "get it" in a week, some never, but a good writer can solely earn a living through article marketing, proven converting product with good article writer = win. Although you can invest your time to build your own real estate and monetize on it with adsense if you want your own website to have a lower conversion while in the same time you could have created 5 more articles, it won't be hard at all keeping them on fist page, in a very wide variety of cases few backlinks will suffice.
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        • Profile picture of the author Arnold JVR
          Originally Posted by Arnold JVR View Post

          If you hypnotize them with your words they won't notice the adds, just kidding lol. You should do that though

          I do agree with you, some people have a mental block when it comes to writing, others "get it" in a week, some never, but a good writer can solely earn a living through article marketing, proven converting product with good article writer = win. Although you can invest your time to build your own real estate and monetize on it with adsense if you want your own website to have a lower conversion while in the same time you could have created 5 more articles, it won't be hard at all keeping them on fist page, in a very wide variety of cases few backlinks will suffice.
          Another benefit you will receive through article marketing is it getting picked up by webmasters and posted all over, but they won't find your article if it's not in the EZA "most viewed" section, and for it to get there you need it to rank for a key phrase that gets allot of searches per month, webmasters typing in their keywords on EZA will find your article and thus you'll get rewarded.

          EZA receives over 13million people each and very month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Who says you're giving up that nice KW to the article directory? Again, the article is your property. I advocated putting it on your own site/blog too. For long term benefit, it's foolish not to. But the vast majority of marketers out there are much better served in terms of speed of implementation and quick results by posting and backlinking initially to the directory. You get to use the directory's power to command Google attraction and bring a nice flow of visitors to your brand spanking new site/blog nearly instantaneously.

    It's silly to ignore that kind of power. I understand your points, Keith, but the difference is between short term and long term. A lot of marketers go for the short term repeatedly and do quite well. This forum alone is replete with folks who will tell you about successful businesses built on the article directory model.

    What I do these days is post an article to my own site and also to EZA (depending on the KW). I'll get a few powerful backlinks to the EZA article to quickly secure a spot in the Top 10 at Google. In my experience, that's virtually "set-and-forget" every time. I'm done, in other words, with the EZA portion of the marketing for that KW.

    Then I'll engage in a more rigorous (and time consuming, which is the point I've been making) backlinking program for those KW's that do well at EZA. That means, I use EZA as a benchmark test. Some KW's will draw traffic but convert poorly. Others will perform well. I'll really go after the higher performing KW's on my own property because the visitor is usually more receptive after clicking within my site to my money page vs. coming in through the EZA link. In other words, if a KW makes me sales from EZA, I'm virtually assured it will do so at an even better rate within my site.

    It will take longer (usually considerably longer) to get my article ranked in the Top 10 when it resides on my own property. But steady backlinking gets you there.

    Now you've got 2 spots nailed down in the Top 10 for a KW instead of just one spot. Another benefit of using article directories.

    Let me add another twist. I've recently begun using YouTube videos of my articles to try to gain another foothold in the Top 10 for a good KW. If you think about it, YouTube is a sort of directory like EZA, only for moving images instead of words (although it's both, really).

    The point is, we shouldn't pigeonhole ourselves into one method of article marketing. I keep returning to this central point, but it bears repeating over and over...

    Keyword research is the key. If you pick the right keywords, you can get an EZA article ranked (and keep it there) with little effort. You can get then get your article ranked on your own site (with more effort). And you can turn that article into a video (using free or low cost software) and get yet another instance of ranking in the Top 10 with some more minimal work.

    But it only works if you choose keywords that get decent monthly search totals and low competition. That's the tricky part.

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
    I'd hoped you'd read between the lines of that last post when I said almost no one uses the directories for their stated purpose, ie free reprint rights content. But I do. And it works pretty well. I mean, it's how the article directories make money, right?

    I mean, by all means, please keep putting your articles in the directories, because that's where I get almost all of my own content from. I republish the articles on my own sites, and put my own ads all over them (just like the directories).

    So I really don't mean to discourage anyone from putting their awesome traffic-getting content on the directories. Because like Arnold JVR says, I can put your same content on all kinds of websites because you gave Ezine permission to give ME permission. And again, you have that one little backlink in there, where I can surround your article with ads and pop my opt-in box over it.

    Could I do the same thing if your article was on your own site instead of in an article directory. Nope. If I use a copy of your article on my site and backlink to MY version, how long do you think it will take me to beat the Ezine version?

    The answer is "not long" - like, a week. Tops. In fact, I specifically target high-traffic ezine articles to republish, because I know they are A. Ranking, and B. Getting traffic. Ezine tells me this. So not only do you give your money keywords to Ezine, but you give them to ME too.

    So again, there is more and more downside to giving your best content and research to Ezine instead of putting it in your own site and keeping all the money that ranking can earn.
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    • Profile picture of the author Arnold JVR
      Originally Posted by Keith Kogane View Post

      I'd hoped you'd read between the lines of that last post when I said almost no one uses the directories for their stated purpose, ie free reprint rights content. But I do. And it works pretty well. I mean, it's how the article directories make money, right?

      I mean, by all means, please keep putting your articles in the directories, because that's where I get almost all of my own content from. I republish the articles on my own sites, and put my own ads all over them (just like the directories).

      So I really don't mean to discourage anyone from putting their awesome traffic-getting content on the directories. Because like Arnold JVR says, I can put your same content on all kinds of websites because you gave Ezine permission to give ME permission. And again, you have that one little backlink in there, where I can surround your article with ads and pop my opt-in box over it.

      Could I do the same thing if your article was on your own site instead of in an article directory. Nope. If I use a copy of your article on my site and backlink to MY version, how long do you think it will take me to beat the Ezine version?

      The answer is "not long" - like, a week. Tops. In fact, I specifically target high-traffic ezine articles to republish, because I know they are A. Ranking, and B. Getting traffic. Ezine tells me this. So not only do you give your money keywords to Ezine, but you give them to ME too.

      So again, there is more and more downside to giving your best content and research to Ezine instead of putting it in your own site and keeping all the money that ranking can earn.
      The business model you speak of does work ofcourse, but as far as I understand it, using the directories for the main reason they were created works best for adsense, and the business model you describe is also aimed at adsense. I would never put adsense on my preselling page, few pennies compared to a $80 sale.

      I originally said good writers can make a living online with only EZA because some acually do, it's not what I mainly use. I like wordpress & squidoo.
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      • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
        Originally Posted by Arnold JVR View Post

        The business model you speak of does work ofcourse, but as far as I understand it, using the directories for the main reason they were created works best for adsense, and the business model you describe is also aimed at adsense. I would never put adsense on my preselling page, few pennies compared to a $80 sale.

        I originally said good writers can make a living online with only EZA because some acually do, it's not what I mainly use. I like wordpress & squidoo.
        That's why instead of AdSense, I use my own ad system that looks like AdSense but points to all my own affiliate products. I don't write my own ads, I just rework/copy the ones that seem to be working on Google and SpyFu. Google spent a lot of money designing the AdSense/AdWords program to work well at getting clicks - I'm inclined to use that to my benefit, without relying on them to pay me peanuts for it.

        Also, thanks for clarifying that everything you've said here today is hearsay, based on what someone else has told you about how they earn money, and not based on your own actual experience.

        I'm sure the newbies will find that sort of thing very helpful when they go out and try to make money.
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        • Profile picture of the author Arnold JVR
          Originally Posted by Keith Kogane View Post

          Also, thanks for clarifying that everything you've said here today is hearsay
          You will find my facts are accurate and come from personal experience, the part i did state was making a living online writing only articles, it still doesn't prove it can't work because it can.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Keith,

    Obviously I can take your money keywords from your high ranking blog. Duh. Same way I would from EZA if I chose. A simple Google search for niche keywords will surely point me to all of your high ranking blogs. You have a lot of them, right, using all that content you got at EZA and your brilliant strategies?

    By the way, EZA isn't telling me squat about whether a keyword is making that article marketer any money. Neither is your article on your blog. It's simply telling me which keywords the article writer picked.

    In fact, if you really think about what you're arguing, I'm better off following the clues on YOUR blog, not EZA.

    After all, you reprinted that particular article. Now why would a smart, savvy guy like you pick that article to reprint? See what I mean?

    You also forgot (conveniently) to mention that if you do take an article for reprint from EZA, you are REQUIRED to keep the link(s) in that article that point to the author's site(s). Now your awesome "bestest blog ever because you other suckers don't know what you're doing and I do" is giving me a link or two.

    Hey, thanks for the powerful links from your superior authority blog that Google can't get enough of because it has reprinted EZA articles all over it and all those nifty Adsense-like ads and pop-over boxes! LOL

    Sorry, couldn't resist. All in good fun. I say, whatever works for you is great. More power to ya!

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      Keith,

      Obviously I can take your money keywords from your high ranking blog. Duh. Same way I would from EZA if I chose. A simple Google search for niche keywords will surely point me to all of your high ranking blogs. You have a lot of them, right, using all that content you got at EZA and your brilliant strategies?

      By the way, EZA isn't telling me squat about whether a keyword is making that article marketer any money. Neither is your article on your blog. It's simply telling me which keywords the article writer picked.

      In fact, if you really think about what you're arguing, I'm better off following the clues on YOUR blog, not EZA.

      After all, you reprinted that particular article. Now why would a smart, savvy guy like you pick that article to reprint? See what I mean?

      You also forgot (conveniently) to mention that if you do take an article for reprint from EZA, you are REQUIRED to keep the link(s) in that article that point to the author's site(s). Now your awesome "bestest blog ever because you other suckers don't know what you're doing and I do" is giving me a link or two.

      Hey, thanks for the powerful links from your superior authority blog that Google can't get enough of because it has reprinted EZA articles all over it and all those nifty Adsense-like ads and pop-over boxes! LOL

      Sorry, couldn't resist. All in good fun. I say, whatever works for you is great. More power to ya!

      John
      Indeed man, I like a scrappy debate.

      You MIGHT find my blogs if you have the right keywords, but you'd have to know what they were first. Since ezine shows me the article view stats, I can use Google to figure out which articles have the most views.

      Once I do that, then I can take that URL into Google's keyword tool and do the "from URL" option to find out what words Goolge thinks the page is ranking for. Then I take those and go to SpyFu and see how much people have been paying to place ads on them for how long.

      Also, you can see what advertisers come up on ezine's copy of the article, and then look those guys up on SpyFu to see what other words they're targeting.

      Now here's the cool part - don't just try to rank your copy of the article for the phrases that ezine does - take ALL the ones from SpyFu that you have, and build backlinks with ALL those words.

      The point of using duplicate content is not only to outrank other copies for the same keywords. There's plenty of possibility there.

      As for giving the author a backlink, yeah - I bet a lot of authors are thrilled that I republished their article because now they're actually getting some traffic because I rank my copy for more keywords than ezine does.

      And sure, some folks might leave via that footer link, but they have much more of a statistical likelihood of leaving via one of the ads (at least in looking at my own stats).

      But hey, different strokes for different folks. If "bum" marketing works for you, and it works for others, by all means, keep at it. It's just more material for me to do what I do with. Heck, there's arleady more than I can actually even use myself.

      P.S. Another cool side effect of ezine is that you can monitor their feeds to spot trends in content. When you spot that, look for recurring trends in what the footer links point to. I told you already how to find good converting keywords for the content, but now you know what products are actually selling, too.

      Most people promoting stuff on ezine or either affiliates (who you can compete with) or vendors (who probably have affiliate programs if they are savvy enough to be article marketing in the first place).

      The fastest way to making money is to copy as much as you can of what's working. Ezine and other article directories combined with the popularity of the Bum method make that very easy to discover if you just watch and track over time.

      I also detect that you think it's not possible to get an authority site using nothing but duplicate content. I challenge you to try. Most article directories manage to be authority sites and they're largely terrible at external SEO, AND rife with duplicate content themselves.

      Same with lots of news sites (though news sites are better at backlinking via syndication).

      But none of my sites are strictly republished articles from a single source, so if that was inferred, my bad. I use free articles, PLR, some feed based stuff mixed with some randomized original stuff, all combined to create the convincing illusion of a well tended, somewhat mediocre, but at least comprehensive niche news/resource site.

      It works for me all day long, and for me anyway, it's easier than having to figure out how to get so good at writing articles that I have to be able to overcome all those competing ads. It's just easier. I'm not so much against the bum method, it's just that it seems to be so much work for so little potential reward, where putting things on your own sites can ONLY pay off more and more if you put in the work.
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  • Profile picture of the author mashburn
    Hey i think keith has a good point.But i wouldn't count out article directories.You goal is to access as much traffic as possible and this is just another tool to garner that traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author captivereef
    I have had much better luck sending traffic from ezinearticles to a review page as opposed to just redirecting.

    You will get much more traffic from ezinearticles then you will goarticles.
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  • Profile picture of the author captivereef
    I actually have a niche blog of nothing but old EZA articles and it gets pretty good free google traffic, and makes sales from the clickbank ads.
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  • Profile picture of the author BumMarketingT
    Fantastic content here and really helpful.
    I think I'll make my own website, maybe also use article directories.

    But Keith so can I actually take an Ezine Article and put it on my website. Will Google gladly index and rank the article / page if I build backlinks to it?

    So would taking an EZ article and submitting to GoArticles work?
    Would Google index and rank it if I have backlinks?

    Just wondering.
    I know I can use the articles but since they were already on Google then I'm not sure if Google will rank the article TWICE. Especially if the EZ article is on page 1.

    Edit: Also, how should I make my site?
    Wordpress?

    And btw what I'm after is making income from every article over my months.
    So I can make $100 / day from a few articles. And just by adding another article I will make more money.

    I DO NOT want to continuously make 100 dollars a day after adding articles every day, like some do. Nope, I don't get that. I'm always for increasing my income.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    Originally Posted by BumMarketingT View Post

    For those of you that write articles and end them with a link to a clickbank offer or a cpa offer or something.

    How many sales do you get per maybe 1,000 or 5,000 article views?

    I'm thinking about spending a lot of money on backlinking to rank articles for VERY highly searched targeted keywords.

    But I've seen so many say that you should write articles in numbers.
    WHY not just build backlinks to get thousands and thousands of views to them?

    Also, which article directory is best?
    I'm guessing GoArticles because of like no ads I think.
    And less rules.

    So I think I'll use GoArticles.

    As has been said before, it really depends on the niche and so many other factors. I like EZA as well as GA.
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  • Profile picture of the author BumMarketingT
    Hey thanks keith for all the content you have written. Helpful tips and tricks in there.

    But would it maybe work to just exactly republish articles from ezine articles to your own website and add the ads trick you told us?

    Would they rank the articles if you add backlinks and such?

    Do you have AIM or anything so I can talk to you, I'm guessing not because you don't even want to answer my pm :p . But please I want to contact you for discussion. Just discussion, not 1,000 questions.

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
      Originally Posted by BumMarketingT View Post

      Hey thanks keith for all the content you have written. Helpful tips and tricks in there.

      But would it maybe work to just exactly republish articles from ezine articles to your own website and add the ads trick you told us?

      Would they rank the articles if you add backlinks and such?

      Do you have AIM or anything so I can talk to you, I'm guessing not because you don't even want to answer my pm :p . But please I want to contact you for discussion. Just discussion, not 1,000 questions.

      Thanks!
      That's because you've sent me 3 already today, and you did ask numerous questions per PM. Sorry man, I like to help but give me a break. Unless you want to pay me a consulting fee, you can wait to get an answer until I AM READY to do so, not when you DEMAND it. And then you ask the same thing here in the thread, too. Give me a break.

      And seriously, DO NOT PM ME AGAIN to apologize or I won't answer the other 3 you sent me. Hold your horses and try and put your enthusiasm on the backburner. I have other things to do today besides talk to you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
        Originally Posted by Keith Kogane View Post

        That's because you've sent me 3 already today, and you did ask numerous questions per PM. Sorry man, I like to help but give me a break. Unless you want to pay me a consulting fee, you can wait to get an answer until I AM READY to do so, not when you DEMAND it. And then you ask the same thing here in the thread, too. Give me a break.

        And seriously, DO NOT PM ME AGAIN to apologize or I won't answer the other 3 you sent me. Hold your horses and try and put your enthusiasm on the backburner. I have other things to do today besides talk to you.
        Don't you think busting him out here like that is a little over the top? C'mon now!
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        • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
          Originally Posted by Marhelper View Post

          Don't you think busting him out here like that is a little over the top? C'mon now!
          Not really. I'm still going to answer him, like I said. If he's going to put me on blast like I don't answer my PMs here in front of everyone, I'm going to bust him out, too.

          I answer every PM I get. It takes a few hours sometimes. It might even take a few days. God Forbid. Dude here was sending them in faster that I could even have answered him on a non-busy day.

          Newbies: enthusiasm is GOOD. People like me WANT to help you. It's largely the only reason I'm in THIS forum at the moment. Just try and rein it in and be respectful of others time and resources. Anyone coming here to answer questions in the first place is being generous with their time.

          Subsequently, multiple requests for additional generosity tends to annoy, no?
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          • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
            Originally Posted by Keith Kogane View Post

            Not really. I'm still going to answer him, like I said. If he's going to put me on blast like I don't answer my PMs here in front of everyone, I'm going to bust him out, too.

            I answer every PM I get. It takes a few hours sometimes. It might even take a few days. God Forbid. Dude here was sending them in faster that I could even have answered him on a non-busy day.

            Newbies: enthusiasm is GOOD. People like me WANT to help you. It's largely the only reason I'm in THIS forum at the moment. Just try and rein it in and be respectful of others time and resources. Anyone coming here to answer questions in the first place is being generous with their time.

            Subsequently, multiple requests for additional generosity tends to annoy, no?
            I do respect the fact that you answer every PM as some do not. The generous amount of PMs you get speaks to your reputation and the value of your posts
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            • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
              Originally Posted by Marhelper View Post

              I do respect the fact that you answer every PM as some do not. The generous amount of PMs you get speaks to your reputation and the value of your posts
              Exactly.

              I'm very grateful that people like what I post here, as I'm sure anyone here is. And I consider answering PMs courteously and reasonably quickly to be a small price to pay for the fuzzy sunshine-y feeling I get because of it.

              And I'd love to keep providing personal help as best I can, but please, let a guy answer your first half-dozen questions before sending two more DIFFERENT emails full of questions within a couple of hours, and then calling me out in public for not answering my PMs.

              Paid customers of mine are promised a response within 24 hours.I respond to PMs even faster than that most of the time. I don't even HAVE to PM if I don't want to. I just do that 'cause I like to. This ain't even my forum!

              The fact is I even give out my personal email address and correspond regularly for free with plenty of warriors. I ain't a bad guy, promise. To the OP - I will totally answer you, no hard feelings or anything. Look for it later tonight/tomorrow.
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              • Profile picture of the author BumMarketingT
                Originally Posted by Keith Kogane View Post

                Exactly.

                I'm very grateful that people like what I post here, as I'm sure anyone here is. And I consider answering PMs courteously and reasonably quickly to be a small price to pay for the fuzzy sunshine-y feeling I get because of it.

                And I'd love to keep providing personal help as best I can, but please, let a guy answer your first half-dozen questions before sending two more DIFFERENT emails full of questions within a couple of hours, and then calling me out in public for not answering my PMs.

                Paid customers of mine are promised a response within 24 hours.I respond to PMs even faster than that most of the time. I don't even HAVE to PM if I don't want to. I just do that 'cause I like to. This ain't even my forum!

                The fact is I even give out my personal email address and correspond regularly for free with plenty of warriors. I ain't a bad guy, promise. To the OP - I will totally answer you, no hard feelings or anything. Look for it later tonight/tomorrow.
                Cool, thanks.
                And I'll definitely buy your stuff, you seem to know a lot
                And that's not for asking more questions, I'm done with that.
                I just got a rush of ideas and questions to me and I somehow sent them all in 3 pm's which was supposed to be 1 pm with 1 topic.
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      • Profile picture of the author BumMarketingT
        Originally Posted by Keith Kogane View Post

        That's because you've sent me 3 already today, and you did ask numerous questions per PM. Sorry man, I like to help but give me a break. Unless you want to pay me a consulting fee, you can wait to get an answer until I AM READY to do so, not when you DEMAND it. And then you ask the same thing here in the thread, too. Give me a break.

        And seriously, DO NOT PM ME AGAIN to apologize or I won't answer the other 3 you sent me. Hold your horses and try and put your enthusiasm on the backburner. I have other things to do today besides talk to you.
        yes really sorry, just wanted to chat.
        In the 3rd pm I actually said cancel out the other pm's because I felt bad of having sent them.
        Still I sent you even that one.

        Sorry I do this sometimes.
        The pm's weren't just questions, I was basically just talking. Really sorry I need to stop.
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  • Profile picture of the author MisterMunch
    Here is what you should do:

    Pick a niche. (not a product, not a keyword, but a niche) Maybe tattoo designs since it has been mentioned here a couple of times.

    Say you want to bummark the keyword "tattoo designs of zodiac signs". You spend some time to write an article that is targeted for that keyword, but also targeted to sell the product you want to sell. Make a tattoo design blog and post it there.

    You then write (say) 20 articles about tattoo designs of zodiac signs. Different variations of that keyword (ultra bum maybe 100 searches a month each). You post these articles (they can be spinned articles) on 20 different web 2.0, articledirectories etc. bum marketing style and link to your sales page/your blog post.

    Then spend the neccessary time to backlink those 20 properties to the top for their keywords. Your blog will take advantage of this backlinking as well as the googlejuice flows through your article and to your blog.

    You will now have traffic from your 20 articles, and traffic from google to your own blog. That you own! You own the traffic, not EZA.

    That is part 1.

    Then you take your next keyword and repeate the process. Write a new blogpost on a new tattoo design keyword. Build 20 articles/web2.0's to link to it and drive traffic, backlink those properties. Link to your previous article from your new article in the recommended article part after your article.
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
      Originally Posted by MisterMunch View Post

      Here is what you should do:

      Pick a niche. (not a product, not a keyword, but a niche) Maybe tattoo designs since it has been mentioned here a couple of times.

      Say you want to bummark the keyword "tattoo designs of zodiac signs". You spend some time to write an article that is targeted for that keyword, but also targeted to sell the product you want to sell. Make a tattoo design blog and post it there.

      You then write (say) 20 articles about tattoo designs of zodiac signs. Different variations of that keyword (ultra bum maybe 100 searches a month each). You post these articles (they can be spinned articles) on 20 different web 2.0, articledirectories etc. bum marketing style and link to your sales page/your blog post.

      Then spend the neccessary time to backlink those 20 properties to the top for their keywords. Your blog will take advantage of this backlinking as well as the googlejuice flows through your article and to your blog.

      You will now have traffic from your 20 articles, and traffic from google to your own blog. That you own! You own the traffic, not EZA.

      That is part 1.

      Then you take your next keyword and repeate the process. Write a new blogpost on a new tattoo design keyword. Build 20 articles/web2.0's to link to it and drive traffic, backlink those properties. Link to your previous article from your new article in the recommended article part after your article.
      I think that a lot of folks confuse the point of backlinking to the sites that link to you. You only want to do that so that the linking site gets indexed and your link gets counted in the search engine database.

      A lot of times, you don't even have to build a backlink, just go take the URL of the page your link is on and submit it to a ping site. Or better yet, make a comment with a backlink and make sure it shows up in their comment RSS feed. Then take that feed URL and submit it to feed aggregators. That's even better if if you're using blog comments to get backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author juniorwarrior
    One good benefit of article marketing & continually posting your articles to article directories is establishing yourself as expert in your field. Some article directories have user profiles features with images and links to your sites, I think this is great feature specially if you always keep adding articles. It will not only market your sites but also show that you are still in business.
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