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OK first of all Hi and Hello and Best wishes to everybody. I am back in this forum quite after some time.

OK is the internet dead. If not dead, I am sure its saturated. Or may be its not dead and saturated for bigger players but definitely for small players.

Wherever I go in internet, its crowded. I am a designer myself and when I go to bid for projects its a cut throat competition. I saw a project where it has received 247 bids.

There are websites after website made for same thing. Blogs after blog displaying same content. I go to bid for web design there is competition. I go to WordPress development there is competition. I go to bid for graphic design there is competition.

If I talk about lead gen. for business then everybody talks about PPC but when you go to PPC, the costs are so high for your desired keyword.

Thank you for allowing me to take my frustration out.
Please share & discuss if you have anything worth while.
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  • Profile picture of the author AffiliateWaves
    It is not dead , Internet never dies ,it needs innovation to stand in market , we see myspace one day ,other day Facebook ,another day Whatsapp and story continues .

    So you may be frustrated a lot or not innovating your services .
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  • Profile picture of the author DesignHackz
    As a designer myself, I think we should treat our service the same as other product out there. Promote it like how we should promote a product,

    Don't just use freelancing site to passively wait for people to post a job for you, but get more active to promote. For example, treat your profile page on upwork or wherever you host your service as your website, then go crazy to promote that page.

    Create youtube video and drive traffic to your profile page, create fb fanpage and post your portfolio there, create pinterest and instagram account, post your portfolio there and update it everytime you made new portfolio. Tweet your portfolio, and drive the traffic to your profile page.

    I hope this can spark some ideas for ya Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    It's definitely not dead. I'm doing pretty much the same thing I've been doing for the past 5 years and still having lots of success doing it.

    One thing that will never change is that people will always have problems and if you are there to provide a solution you will always be relevant. I think competition in some areas may get stiffer, but I don't think the Internet will ever become saturated in any area because there is always a ton of new customers jumping online every day.

    I don't think the Internet will ever die, it will simply change. If you don't adapt and change with it, you will get left behind. Simple as that.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Yes, there is more competition than ever, but the level of competition towards the top of whatever it is that you are doing is still the same. Then you've got everyone at the lower levels wishing to move up, but almost nobody is willing to put the work into it. So don't be deceived by the constantly growing segment of lightweights. Your rewards online are usually correlated to the amount of work that you put into it. And it actually doesn't take much to move ahead of the lightweights because literally 99% of them are lazy, unskilled and simply do not care.
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  • Profile picture of the author vishwa
    Internet is not Dead. Actually there is a competition in every field and every market. But that doesn't mean that nobody making profits. You simply have to do some extra and unique things, I mean something new and innovative.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    It's not dead and not saturated. There is a lot of competition, but there is a lot of demand as well. You need to focus, build your own platform, and not let your worries about the competition derail you.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsouravs
    Thank you Everybody.

    Well I am a designer and there are some giant designers in this world. Fighting with them is like ... I don't know what to say.

    Yes true... The internet is not dead... I am weak
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    • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
      Originally Posted by dsouravs View Post

      Thank you Everybody.

      Well I am a designer and there are some giant designers in this world. Fighting with them is like ... I don't know what to say.

      Yes true... The internet is not dead... I am weak
      If you're a good designer, and I'm assuming you are, then you shouldn't worry about fighting with anyone.

      Instead, carve out a niche for yourself and become an authority in one of the areas of graphic design where there is less competition. I don't know anything at all about graphic design (that's why I need people like you), and I'm always looking for someone to design my sales pages for products I create.

      I'm sure there are a lot of people who design sales pages, and yet I often find it hard to find a reliable designer who knows exactly what I'm looking for and doesn't want to charge me an arm and a leg.

      You could easily position yourself as a designer who does great work with sales pages but maybe charges a little less than some of the "giant" designers. I'm not saying to devalue your work and settle for less money than you deserve, but maybe by being a little cheaper and putting out top quality work you could build a nice customer base for yourself. You may even be able to get enough regular customers that you could stop advertising and have plenty of work just catering to your regulars.

      That's just one example. I am sure there are literally dozens of sub-niches in the graphic design industry you could focus on. I think another mistake you may be making is focusing on getting work from the freelance sites. While those sites may be a "go to" place for those looking for designers, there are many other places you could advertise where there is much less competition. The Warrior Classifieds and Warriors For Hire sections of this forum are two such places. I can only speak for myself but those places are the first places I go when looking for a designer for my sales pages, ecovers, headers, timeline covers, logos, etc, and many times I don't find anyone there I want to hire.

      Maybe you could be that guy I hire next time!
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      • Profile picture of the author iangh
        Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

        If you're a good designer, and I'm assuming you are, then you shouldn't worry about fighting with anyone.

        Instead, carve out a niche for yourself and become an authority in one of the areas of graphic design where there is less competition. I don't know anything at all about graphic design (that's why I need people like you), and I'm always looking for someone to design my sales pages for products I create.

        I'm sure there are a lot of people who design sales pages, and yet I often find it hard to find a reliable designer who knows exactly what I'm looking for and doesn't want to charge me an arm and a leg.

        You could easily position yourself as a designer who does great work with sales pages but maybe charges a little less than some of the "giant" designers. I'm not saying to devalue your work and settle for less money than you deserve, but maybe by being a little cheaper and putting out top quality work you could build a nice customer base for yourself. You may even be able to get enough regular customers that you could stop advertising and have plenty of work just catering to your regulars.

        That's just one example. I am sure there are literally dozens of sub-niches in the graphic design industry you could focus on. I think another mistake you may be making is focusing on getting work from the freelance sites. While those sites may be a "go to" place for those looking for designers, there are many other places you could advertise where there is much less competition. The Warrior Classifieds and Warriors For Hire sections of this forum are two such places. I can only speak for myself but those places are the first places I go when looking for a designer for my sales pages, ecovers, headers, timeline covers, logos, etc, and many times I don't find anyone there I want to hire.

        Maybe you could be that guy I hire next time!
        This reminds me of something Dan Kennedy said about a masseur he knew.

        He advised them to narrow their niche as it was to broad. He advised to advertise as a masseur for golfers and he guaranteed their business would grow, especially as golfers tend to have money and do suffer back problems.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Originally Posted by dsouravs View Post

      Yes true... The internet is not dead... I am weak

      Too many folks coming to the Internet looking for income only see what is already there. They try to copy what others' are doing, just like a thousand other newcomers, and quickly give up claiming the business model doesn't work anymore, the established players get all the business, or the market is too saturated.

      It's so common these days that it's become predictable: newbie picks a big market, doesn't understand how to target and niche down to a place of decent of competition, and newbie quits after a month or two of no success in the broad market. Newbie spends money on products that don't help, declares Internet business and all product creators a scam, and moves on to new greener pastures that are easier and more profitable.

      There are great opportunities everywhere . . . in every marketplace. Do your research first before you decide on anything else. Look for unmet needs. Look for common problems to solve. Look for desires for enjoyment and satisfaction and association that people have (think community of like-minded friends).

      Also be on the lookout for markets that have products that leave a lot to be desired. Many businesses are created by entrepreneurs introducing a superior product, or process, or service to what is currently available.

      The key is to create your own niche and let all the other people in the marketplace be the same and fight amongst themselves for a limited market share. When you make money in a unique way, or with a unique product or service, saturation is not in the selling equation.

      Your marketing becomes a matter of simply educating prospects to your one-of-a-kind solution and the benefits it offers to the buyer. The prospect will recognize that you have an incomparable offer.

      Saturation is only a problem for those that don't know how to create their own niche.

      The best to all of you,

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author jims45
        I think your reply covered the situation perfectly!
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    • Profile picture of the author katrim
      Originally Posted by dsouravs View Post

      Thank you Everybody.

      Well I am a designer and there are some giant designers in this world. Fighting with them is like ... I don't know what to say.

      Yes true... The internet is not dead... I am weak
      It's not about weakness but the internet has brought a democratization of information. Anyone who has a skill and access to internet would want to make money with it. It's only going to get more and more crowded.

      What you need to do is find ways to reach people who need your services through new ways. Or find your unique selling point. Or your targeted market.

      It's hard for a freelancer to take care of everything though...to do the actual work but also spend so much time doing client acquisition.

      My advice is to not give up and find your unique spin but hopefully since you posted this you got some great deals!

      All the best to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author BenjaminCR
    I know exactly how you feel. There is a lot of competition, and getting people to notice you is very frustrating and hard. But if you have to keep pushing yourself. I have to push myself to promote my service and I'm still quite there yet, but that's why you have to keep going so you can reach your goals and be successful. You also have to a passion what you're doing (which I'm sure you have), otherwise it most likely won't grow.

    So do you what you love doing, and try your best to let everyone know about it and promote it! Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    It's not dead. I'm currently moving our company's paper and phone based system to the Internet. Our niche (law) is still barely online so there's still masses of opportunity out there.

    I think people confuse the internet being dead with the end of the easy keyword research-article writing money making boom of 2009 - 2011.
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  • Profile picture of the author vengateshjujoo
    Internet NEVER die.
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  • Profile picture of the author EPoltrack77
    lol, absolutely not. Growing stronger today than ever and more and more people and businesses are making more money today because of the Internet. Its now a global marketplace....

    Absolutely no reason why one can't make money using the Internet. Know what your doing you will make money today. Predictable...
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  • Profile picture of the author iangh
    I would most definitely say NO the internet it not dead. Yes, people are more internet savvy these days which means everyone has to up their game as well as their ethics in order to do well and be successful but every day there are thousands if not billions taking to the internet.

    I am seeing more and more retired people looking to bring an income into their household via the internet. If anything the internet and opportunities to make a living online are growing and becoming much easier.

    All I have to do for a healthy recurring income is drive traffic to a squeeze page. It really does not get any easier than that.

    More and more want to earn online and can you blame them when all they are being offered is the minimum wage to work their arses off for 40 hours a week. I could earn more in a job at 18 than I would be able to now.

    This I believe is a major reason more are turning to the internet and the speed in which what I am involved in which is changing peoples lives giving financial freedom is growing at a rapid rate I simply have to say NO it's not dead at all, totally the opposite.
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Nope-Not Dead but as you say there is definitely more competition.... The low entry barrier to online opportunities also does not help, just look at this and other Forums for evidence...

    Anyone with an internet connection is now some kind of expert, either selling a service, product or knowledge... Also with the Global market the way it is you are competing with a huge workforce, it could be a design firm in London or some snot nosed kid in Bangladesh....

    It can be compared to the old Wild West, no regulation and half the time no accountability, especially if you're dealing with third world countries where there are no laws....
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

      Nope-Not Dead but as you say there is definitely more competition.... The low entry barrier to online opportunities also does not help, just look at this and other Forums for evidence...

      Anyone with an internet connection is now some kind of expert, either selling a service, product or knowledge... Also with the Global market the way it is you are competing with a huge workforce, it could be a design firm in London or some snot nosed kid in Bangladesh....

      It can be compared to the old Wild West, no regulation and half the time no accountability, especially if you're dealing with third world countries where there are no laws....
      Don't ever stop posting.
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  • Profile picture of the author quadagon
    Originally Posted by dsouravs View Post

    If not dead, I am sure its saturated. Or may be its not dead and saturated for bigger players but definitely for small players.

    Wherever I go in internet, its crowded. I am a designer myself and when I go to bid for projects its a cut throat competition. I saw a project where it has received 247 bids.

    There are websites after website made for same thing. Blogs after blog displaying same content. I go to bid for web design there is competition. I go to WordPress development there is competition. I go to bid for graphic design there is competition.



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  • Profile picture of the author maxsi
    Quite frankly, the phrase is pretty useless.....
    Internet is the best of the best now, and for the future
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    Every time someone has to work a little harder at the strategy they choose to follow they think it is "Dead"

    Is email marketing DEAD? (because I am not doing to well with it)

    Is video marketing DEAD? (because my videos suck and do not get traffic)

    Is affiliate marketing DEAD? ( because I can not make any commissions)

    al
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Yep, the Internet is dead !!

      Its hopeless, so get out while you still can


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  • Profile picture of the author Branlan17
    It can be frustrating, but the smart people are viewing each time something becomes obsolete or a niche becomes overcrowded as an opportunity: If you can be the first one to find a new way to stand out from the crowd, you will absolutely dominate. Promote your design work in a weird way, offer a payment model/service/bonus that stands out and makes your bit instantly more intriguing than the other 246.

    - Brandon
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    I'm looking forward to the day when something being dead is dead.
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    • Profile picture of the author agmccall
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      I'm looking forward to the day when something being dead is dead.
      But then, Someone will bring it back to life and we will have to deal with questions like:

      Is the internet a Zombie?

      al
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  • Profile picture of the author joelmandre
    The internet continues to evolve, it will never die. But it will constantly change and in order for people to continue to succeed with it, they need to be open to change. That means taking the time to watch for shifts and new trends and follow them, rather than sticking with what worked for them in the past. If you're trying to use the same tricks and techniques that worked a year ago for you, you'll find that you don't make a dent in things.
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  • Profile picture of the author stackman
    The Internet is not dead but it has certainly changed dramatically over the last few years. It's not as open, friendly and inviting as it once was for those just entering. Although are still opportunities, as there will always be, it's much tougher now to get started and be successful. I've been fortunate to see most of my projects that were started several years ago become successful, but if I were just starting today doing the same thing, there is no doubt it would fail. I would be unable to achieve that same success in today's Internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    The internet is not dead. The more porn DVD's sales drop due to free online porn and tube sites... the more you will find me online every single day of the week.

    I know about 382,109,012,363 other CEO's with a dismal love life who feel the same way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oliver13
    RIP Internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    What you are talking about is why I use the strategy that has always worked for me, for the past 15 years.

    In it's simplest term, I monetize data.

    I promote PPL (pay per lead) offers because there is no credit card required. So the conversions are typically much higher than an offer requiring a sale.

    I favor PPL offers that have some financial positioning...have a make, get or save money angle to them. This is what has worked best for me, as they tend to have greater mass appeal, so the potential exists to be able to produce high volume.

    For my data acquisition, I pretty much stick with target data(email) that is real-time or same day (exclusive / non exclusive). When I say targeted, I know what the users are interested in and there is a PPL offer that matches it. I also generate co-reg using same principle.

    So all my advertising dollars go to acquiring assets that I can market to over and over, rather than trying to get clicks. This way, I can consistently produce traffic for very little cost. How much, just comes down to scaling.

    The trick is to start small with each data source and test to make sure that I can break-even in a reasonable period of time before spending a bunch of money. All I care about is breaking-even, because as I said...I'm acquiring assets, so once at break-even...turning a profit is pretty much inevitable.

    Obviously there is much more to the whole strategy, but that's the basics.

    Something to think about.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Is the internet dead?
      Unfortunately, the rumor is true. The internet died of drowning in a sea of crap early yesterday afternoon. Services are Saturday at 11 with a light lunch to follow.
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        Is the internet dead?
        Try switching the router off.. wait 30 seconds and switch it back on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    Is the internet a Zombie?
    Hey Al,

    Is the Zombie Internet any good for making money?
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    • Profile picture of the author agmccall
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      Hey Al,

      Is the Zombie Internet any good for making money?
      WSO coming soon, be on the lookout

      al

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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    That's why the Pope is stateside... To help remember those who have fallen, namely, the Internet.

    R.I.P.

    PS:

    You want my advice?

    Learn from the best, and outwork the rest.

    ;]

    Later.
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  • Profile picture of the author TrafficFlow
    I recently read an article listing over 15 unconventional ways to market your wordpress design services. If I can find it, I can PM you with the article.
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  • Profile picture of the author leilani
    That is what makes life exciting!! You get to find another way. A more creative innovative way, so that you are not same old, same old.

    The more competition, see how you can differentiate. A billioinaire once said that there is more opportunity than you think. I believe that.

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  • Profile picture of the author AffEngineer
    The more you drill down into things, the more 'open spaces' to mine you'll find.

    It's not dead, you just have to be more creative. If you're going to offer the same old service everyone else is, then yeah, it's pretty damn tough.
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    Is the internet dead?

    Yes, you're in the Matrix.
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  • Profile picture of the author Blindbiz
    No. Pick a niche and focus on that. Website for zoo's or dog trainers. Then team up a SEO / PPC service. Offering a complete package is the key to success. Next develop a community with in that niche. FB is the simplest to build a Private group. Start building a data base of potential clients and start a slow but steady drip campaign of helpful info. Get involved in the niche, attend trade shows and subscript to all blogs and chat groups. Become the expert in that niche. It takes time but once you carve out a place for yourself, business will become easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author moneymagneto
    It seems like your real question is: "Why can't I get any clients for my design business". Well the internet has nothing to do with your problem. What you should be doing is learning how to be a better sales person. Why are you bidding for jobs online? You get clients in person.
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    what an annoying and non-sensical clickbait title.
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  • Profile picture of the author arojilla
    Mine works just fine.

    Yes, saturation can be a thing. But unlike IRL where land is finite, there's almost infinite space to explore in Internet. Move to another space or create you new one.
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  • Profile picture of the author renukoot
    If you are walking on the all the same path, said or written by so called IM Kings then YES obviously the Internet is dead & RIP.

    In reality there's actually all new horizon of Internet is making waves... Innovate yourself.

    Every second the IM is creating some newest thing on the Internet and if you can focus there all together a new era or pith to play now.

    Look even Facebook trying the Dis Like Button for innovation
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  • Profile picture of the author spazz896
    "The internet is just a fad" ... Newsweek, *Feb. 26, 1995* - LOL.....

    Competition levels will always fluctuate.... The more money there is to be made, the more competition there will be for it. You need to find your unique selling position (USP). Focus on long-term clients and offer more 'service' then your competition. As more and more of underdeveloped countries come online, the more outsourcing competition will rise. I think it will get to a point where governments will step in and screw everything up. LOL

    My 2 cents.

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  • Profile picture of the author oadvantage
    Not at all. It is just not a "free for all" in many niches anymore.

    This only means you need to have a strategy to make money now.

    It is doable by anyone who takes the right steps.
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  • Profile picture of the author hardworker2013
    No the internet is not dead, its just that the competition has gotten very fierce. You just have to find a niche that is not saturated and market to that niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stefan Vee
    If all internet marketers would ONLY do what they preach, there wouldn't be so much competition as most marketers would stop doing what they preach to only do.

    It's certainly the end of the "fake it to make it" generation, but certainly not the end of the "creative kind".
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    It takes more than work to succeed in the IM game.

    It should also engage your problem solving skills.

    Push yourself to come up with a better value proposition.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    Yep it's dead. Everyone back to AM radio.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      . . . and just why does this 2011 thread need to be rehashed right now?

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        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        . . . and just why does this 2011 thread need to be rehashed right now?

        Steve
        ...because this is the way things seem work around here since Freelancer canned the old mods.

        Of course the internet is not dead, but unless things start changing for the better around here, this forum may be on life support sooner rather than later.

        Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

        Yep it's dead. Everyone back to AM radio.
        Let's do this! In my previous life I ran a bunch of TV and Stereo stores and I still may have a line on some killer AM radio gear! Wanna be my JV partner?

        Cheers

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      • Profile picture of the author salegurus
        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        . . . and just why does this 2011 thread need to be rehashed right now?

        Steve
        Because this person katrim felt the need to advertise her/his sig by opening an old thread to post gibberish...
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          Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

          Because this person katrim felt the need to advertise her/his sig by opening an old thread to post gibberish...
          Yes Theo, but don't you want to learn how to Trick Facebook lol
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        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        . . . and just why does this 2011 thread need to be rehashed right now?

        Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      "The Internet" is NOT dead.

      But, like dandruff and other things that die and are sloughed off, parts of the Internet are dead.

      When was the last time you saw a "free for all" page? Or a banner exchange or web ring? How about Usenet news groups? "Made for Adsense" sites with the owners getting checks by UPS or FedEx? "Bum Marketing"?

      Two things killed off all of those things.

      Too many people doing the same thing at the same time, and automation magnifying the problem by making abuse "auto pilot".

      Get enough people to buy, say a keyword tool, and using the same seed keywords. Suddenly, the competition is very stiff for the keywords the tool spits out for everybody.

      Or PPC, which the OP mentioned. Yes, if enough people all want to bid on the same keyword, the price goes up. That's the nature of an auction, how it was designed to work. But by shifting your focus to related keywords, like focusing on decision-making keywords rather than buying-intent keywords, or by shifting focus to the content network instead of search, you reach many of the same people for a fraction of the cost.

      In a nutshell, once the easy pickings are gone, you either adapt or die.
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      • Profile picture of the author sparrow
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        "The Internet" is NOT dead.

        In a nutshell, once the easy pickings are gone, you either adapt or die.
        The obvious, be where others are not, think out of the box
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

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        When was the last time you saw "Bum Marketing"?
        Yep, I remember Bum Marketing was all the rage 7 and 8 years ago.A well respected long time Warrior here was simply posting EZA Articles one after another and he literally made well over 10K a month doing it because he had like 25K articles at Eza. And people would click on Aff.ink in his Resource Box and he would make bank.

        But then google slammed many including Eza and the effectiveness of this Model plummeted literally overnight

        Interesting to look back on


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    • Profile picture of the author semahsedut
      they say SEO is dead ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Coach Comeback
    I probably have the most "foo-foo" unpopular answer . .. .

    But here goes anyway . . . . . :-)

    There is no such thing as competition. We live in an abundant world. There are always more people who want a service than there are people offering it. You choose who is right for you.

    I bet you may have a block in you city where there are 3 pizza restaurants on the same street and yet they have all been there for years and are doing fine.

    Just look at this forum, over the years there have been thousands upon thousands offering services and products who have all had great success.

    I am living proof. I am not a guru. I am a relative nobody in this industry - no following, no connections. Yet, I quietly earn a very "comfortable" living in a "saturated" market where big names and gurus are only a click away.

    Yet, the people who are attracted to me somehow still seem to find me. With all those odds stacked against me.

    You can do the same. If one person has success in the market you would like to go into, then so can you.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    Internet Marketing is a skill that needs to be nurtured. It takes time. It's the hardest in the beginning to get up and running successfully. The people who that succeed are the one's who stay committed for the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsouravs
    Thank you for all your answers. There are few responses which are really helpful but most of the responses are just to make a mockery of the Question asked or reply in a non-helpful taunting way.

    Thank you to all of you again and especially to those who gave good suggestions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Originally Posted by dsouravs View Post

      There are few responses which are really helpful but most of the responses are just to make a mockery of the Question asked or reply in a non-helpful taunting way.

      You can't really expect anything else when you ask a mocking and taunting question, can you? You got what you asked for.

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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by dsouravs View Post

      Is the internet dead?

      Originally Posted by dsouravs View Post

      Thank you for all your answers. There are few responses which are really helpful but most of the responses are just to make a mockery of the Question asked or reply in a non-helpful taunting way.

      Thank you to all of you again and especially to those who gave good suggestions.

      Ask stupid questions, get stupid answers.

      The circle is complete.
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      • Profile picture of the author dsouravs
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Ask stupid questions, get stupid answers.
        The circle is complete.
        Talking with people these days are becoming a nightmare. These days even before speaking out one sentence do a long 100 hour research that what question wont hurt any people on this earth.

        I asked a honest & simple question that came to my mind without taunting any particular being and people become angry... Wahhh
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by dsouravs View Post

          Talking with people these days are becoming a nightmare. These days even before speaking out one sentence do a long 100 hour research that what question wont hurt any people on this earth.

          I asked a honest & simple question that came to my mind without taunting any particular being and people become angry... Wahhh
          Nobody is angry, more like baffled.

          Use your head, look around, the majority of businesses in this world are online for a reason (hint: $$).
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  • Profile picture of the author jinxslave
    Internet is not dead. It was not it never will be.Work on a niche which is not saturated and yes there are plenty of them.Try them Gain confidence and one day you will be one of a giant player in your niche.
    Focus and Keep Trying is the key.Good Luck...!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimbrown123
    Internet never dies. Competetion is too high this doesn't mean internet is dead. Competition isn't your enemy. if you're a good designer I'm sure you'll always have some work to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author brandileanne
    I work with alot of businesses. If you're frustrated it's nothing compared to most of them. Here's what I hear from very large and small every day...all they know is they spend more money and get less for it. Now they have to pay for Radio, TV, Newspapers, Internet, Social Media and even Text Services and they see fewer returns for alot more money, more Contractors, more differing opinions.

    What they want are Contractor Companies who give them specific deliverables with reasonable expectations what it means for their business. How it translates into getting them more and better business. Anyone who can do that for them gets almost a blank check. It only gets super competitive when the Contractor Companies don't want any risk themselves that the work they do will provide measurable results in dollars and cents to their business.

    If you take the time to understand the potential Customers and their business and how what you provide translates into real business for them, they're eager to work with you. (Hope this helps.)
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  • Profile picture of the author ItsTime
    Originally Posted by dsouravs View Post

    OK first of all Hi and Hello and Best wishes to everybody. I am back in this forum quite after some time.

    OK is the internet dead. If not dead, I am sure its saturated. Or may be its not dead and saturated for bigger players but definitely for small players.

    Wherever I go in internet, its crowded. I am a designer myself and when I go to bid for projects its a cut throat competition. I saw a project where it has received 247 bids.

    There are websites after website made for same thing. Blogs after blog displaying same content. I go to bid for web design there is competition. I go to WordPress development there is competition. I go to bid for graphic design there is competition.

    If I talk about lead gen. for business then everybody talks about PPC but when you go to PPC, the costs are so high for your desired keyword.

    Thank you for allowing me to take my frustration out.
    Please share & discuss if you have anything worth while.
    You are right in the sense that much of the web is now a commodity market. However, businesses can do quite well in a commodity market, but you have to be the best of the best of course. What I have seen is that now it is all about customer service, usability and easy-to-use content. This is true for any business and now it's true for web sites and blogs as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author tolks
    Presently, its NOT DEAD, because more businesses are coming online in the name of E-commerce.

    To get recognition on the Internet you need to be FOCUS and Re-strategies.
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  • Profile picture of the author kennyd3
    There are millions of people on the internet daily hoping to live the "laptop lifestyle", any willing to pay good hardworking dollars to achieve it. Unfortunately, the are always unscrupulous people taking advantage of these with their version of shiny objects. Than recycle and repeat.
    And it works every time. Like I said, there are millions on the internet. Sad thing!
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  • Profile picture of the author spartonx
    Well i am new in this industry of internet marketing and i cant find a reason not to agree with you as i too am struggling with my website, maybe this is not the kind of field where every body is on the same level.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lassitor
    The Internet is very noisy and crowded, it is exactly like opening up a shop in a large city where competition if fierce and you ask yourself where to find customers.

    Success can happen, though not cheaply.

    Landing pages, domain names, email auto responders and of course PAID ads are obviously what you have to invest in, though it has to be quality and attractive to get the apathetic traffic to take the next step.

    Video is the game now. Production values is what it is about, and no budget videos simply don't work anymore.

    Find your niche and stay in it. I find that those who just try to sell everything to everyone, end up selling nothing to nobody.

    You don't have to be an expert, but you do need to be an practitioner and enthusiast of your niche. It becomes very obvious to the audience when the marketer is not a practitioner of what they are trying to sell.

    Lastly, my own rules about online marketing:
    No MLM's (to many rules and problems),
    No Get Rich Quick schemes (100% scams),
    No investment clubs or binary options (to many are out of country scams)
    No items that Google will ban/censor from its database;
    No political or religious stuff;

    Lastly, if the product looks "scammy" and "morally questionable" it probably is.

    Most major companies have an affiliate component of their sales department. A lot of large companies use the Commission Only sales model, and that is a big invitation to the Independent Salesperson to jump in. Often you have to network with the company salesperson to find out where the Independent Sales comes in to play, and sometimes a company will actually create an affiliate program if they don't have one if you ask them too. Be careful of company salespersons who agree to pay you under the table, cause they often never pay.

    Here is an example of the above, I joined Uber to drive part time. then I found they had an affiliate section where I can sign up riders and drivers. I earn more now with the recruiting than with the driving! You can find that with most products you normally buy.

    Another one is buying wholesale, but that is often an investment you put up front and take delivery of the items. If you don't mind your home being a warehouse then it is OK. You have to be careful with buying knock-offs, counterfeit, copyrighted material and items that are not over-saturated in the market or could fall under some government department restriction that could stop your ability to sell the item.

    Most people who want to sell online sort of progress like this:
    1. Amazon affiliate (little success)
    2. blogs hyping products on Amazon/CB,CJ or other Drop Ship (tiny success)
    3. MLM's (questionable success)
    4. Retail or wholesale sourcing and selling on ebay or Amazon FBA (tiny success)
    5. Independent affiliate sales with local small companies (decent sales)
    6. Independent sales with major companies (good money and sales)

    Most sales guys I know say: "None of it works all the time, all of it works some of the time"

    I hope some of this helps you all.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelAppleton
    I will echo what many people have already said, the internet is just getting started.

    I honestly believe that the internet is still in it's infancy. Just take a look at how long TV has been around and the massive surge in channels, it's still a very profitable media outlet.

    The internet will evolve and change, it has too but this does not mean it is dead.

    As far as making money online goes, it is not as 'easy' as it once once but new guys and girls are coming through all the time, persistence and hard work are required.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mehdib
    Now by the definition you provide, every single tool/network/market or even business must be dead since you can see competition in there. It's never been alive like what is today, the competition makes it even more attractive. If it was only you who would be able to do stuff and advertise and make money then what was the point?
    It is not dead and it has only started to bloom, we are finding new ways of enjoying this fantastic tool to make money, spread knowledge and even solve issues.
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  • Profile picture of the author munir ahmed
    Originally Posted by dsouravs View Post

    OK first of all Hi and Hello and Best wishes to everybody. I am back in this forum quite after some time.

    OK is the internet dead. If not dead, I am sure its saturated. Or may be its not dead and saturated for bigger players but definitely for small players.

    Wherever I go in internet, its crowded. I am a designer myself and when I go to bid for projects its a cut throat competition. I saw a project where it has received 247 bids.

    There are websites after website made for same thing. Blogs after blog displaying same content. I go to bid for web design there is competition. I go to WordPress development there is competition. I go to bid for graphic design there is competition.

    If I talk about lead gen. for business then everybody talks about PPC but when you go to PPC, the costs are so high for your desired keyword.

    Thank you for allowing me to take my frustration out.
    Please share & discuss if you have anything worth while.
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    HEY

    IS THE INTERNET DEAD
    IS THE INTERNET NOT DEAD

    The question should be HOW CAN I IMPROVE AND OVER COME EVERYONE ON THE INTERNET TO MAKE MONEY AND GROW MY BUSINESS

    Whether the internet is DEAD or NOT, and YES there is a way where you can make money.

    Internet is a place where billion of new visitors come on every day

    All you need is few drops of water from the ocean to make a great decent living and YES that is possible...

    Consistency is what we need and keep working,
    TAKE ACTION WHEN EVER AND WHERE EVER YOU ARE....

    THERE ARE MANY UNKNOWN PEOPLE WHO HAVE MORE FOLLOWER ON SOCIAL NETWORK SITES THEN THE SINGERS AND ACTORS OUT THERE HAVE.

    The main point is if you stick to your strategy and add a little drop every day or week and communicate with people in your niche and give value to them for free, then YES you will be known and YES you do have a higher chances of succeeding

    DO NOT jump from one strategy to another and master the 1 that you feel most comfortable with and over time you will see results and yes you will be know and of-course you will stand out by giving more value then your competitors.

    Have the right mind set and don't give up

    HAVE A NICE DAY
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  • Profile picture of the author Nazimjoseph
    Holding your position in online even it has more competition is the real challenge.
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  • Profile picture of the author andyang
    The internet is definitely not dead. That's like saying restaurants should have all closed when McDonald's took over the world.

    There is always space for those who are willing to work hard and innovate.

    If you are interested to get the perspective of one of Clickbanks top vendors on the current internet marketing landscape then PM me and i'll send you the link to his article called "Internet Marketing Is Failing"
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Two words my friend...

    "Perceived Value"
    *It's Only Worth What Other People Are Willing To Invest!
    (*Including You!)

    Seriously though, you have to convince your prospective buyers "How and Why" they should use your services over that of a competitor. I think; competition, so-called saturation is a good thing, as it means there's a huge demand.

    Perceived value... works both ways, and it does not discriminate. If you believe; "The internet is dead... well, you're pretty much ----ed!

    However, if you think about your own question as i am sure you were being facetious, you need to find a new angle on an old twist! - A USP that differentiates YOU...form EVERYONE else in your market.

    I feel your pain, as the niche I've settled for... is frigging massive, and the only way I'll stand out... is to hope my USP (*brutal honesty) might actually "set me apart" from the rest... (still to be determined) as I dreadfully cannot purchase your design services... for I must earn my wings, build it, and get my site to fly itself!

    Definitely suggest you revisit your thinking... and try to differentiate yourself with a USP - that nobody else offers... could be anything, rewards, perks, funny emails, whatever works for you!

    Good Luck!

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  • Profile picture of the author russflex
    You have to think differently than your competition. That is how you stand out the most.
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    What numb nut bought this back to life?
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    • Profile picture of the author katrim
      Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

      What numb nut bought this back to life?
      That would be me. Thank you.

      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      . . . and just why does this 2011 thread need to be rehashed right now?

      Steve
      As for why, because I have been going deeper into the pages yesterday since the first few were same old, same old. It's not even that ancient, it's from 2015 and found it on the glorious page 54 (I think). If that upset people so much what will happen when I go to page 235?

      Ok, jokes aside, I thought dsouravs had a good question and thread going on and I had an itch to scratch so I answered.

      The internet ain't dead and the thread is thriving. This is a good day.
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      • Profile picture of the author agmccall
        Originally Posted by katrim View Post


        Ok, jokes aside, I thought dsouravs had a good question and thread going on and I had an itch to scratch so I answered.

        The internet ain't dead and the thread is thriving. This is a good day.
        Maybe you should share your detailed research on the matter instead of just finding useless threads to pimp your signature

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  • Profile picture of the author semahsedut
    build a list bro

    then ,,,,, money
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  • Profile picture of the author Write Now
    You are absolutely batshit CRAZY if you think the internet is dead. The internet itself has only been around since the early 90's. It's just getting started. People spend MORE time and MORE money online now than EVER before.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
    For everyone saying this is a stupid question, forget about the thread title, and read the substance of the post of the OP:

    Originally Posted by dsouravs View Post

    ... OK is the internet dead. If not dead, I am sure its saturated. Or may be its not dead and saturated for bigger players but definitely for small players.

    Wherever I go in internet, its crowded. I am a designer myself and when I go to bid for projects its a cut throat competition. I saw a project where it has received 247 bids.

    There are websites after website made for same thing. Blogs after blog displaying same content. I go to bid for web design there is competition. I go to WordPress development there is competition. I go to bid for graphic design there is competition.

    If I talk about lead gen. for business then everybody talks about PPC but when you go to PPC, the costs are so high for your desired keyword.

    Thank you for allowing me to take my frustration out.
    Please share & discuss if you have anything worth while.
    Were I to write a title for that post, it would be: Should I believe all of the pipe dreams I read here and on the internet, 'cause everywhere I look it's a bazillion people all doing the same thing - the same super secret/awesome advice from a 'pro' I read about here, or see for sale in a WSO, and I really don't think MOST people are making anything resembling a survivable, fulltime income.

    So, yea. In the sense that the internet is talked about around here, at least in the 4+ years I've been stopping by, well, yea, parts of it are deader than a doornail.

    Plenty of money to be made. Fulltime incomes/fortunes to be established out of a house/apartment/bedroom/garage, but most of YOU won't be the ones doing it - and that is because a great many of the things you find here with the search button are indeed dead (ask Steve Wags) or were mostly bullshit to begin with ...

    The OP's post wasn't as 'stupid' as some of you suggest - it was simply the overused thread title that got ya ...
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    Have you stopped ageing today? NO


    Is the internet dead? NO


    There is just more people realising the potential of working on their own terms....
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  • Profile picture of the author kazimuhith
    There is competition everywhere... Let me ask you. Is the job market dead? Are facebook fan pages dead? Is seo dead? Is content creation dead? Is outsourcing dead?

    Everything is getting more competitive. It is by getting the best out of the competition and getting unique is where the success lies .

    Is success dead? No. There are so many success stories going around in IM. So, if success is not dead , why is Internet dead?
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Fox
    SEO is suffering a slow and excruciating death.
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  • Profile picture of the author brekmokmung
    people just need to move on and try new stuff ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Johnson0
    It seems pretty much alive and full of possibilities to me.
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  • Definitely not! What's the #1 reason people go to the internet? Information. You've just gotta figure out what information YOU can provide that people will want. People will never stop seeking information, and therefor, the internet will never die. Evolve, yes, but never die.
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  • Profile picture of the author apsarasisodia
    Internet is the most powerful medium of information sharing. Because of poor SEO efforts lots of information which are available on the Internet are not trusted because they are merely written by people to promote of of their products and services.
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  • Nowadays a lot of tech guys, designers etc. sound like your average joe that only knows how to do one thing, and when the jobs go, Joe sits and moans.

    You have to evolve versus trying to milk the same cow for the rest of your life.
    Yeah, you could make easy money doing design a while ago and now it's harder. Either you're up for the fight or you have to reinvent yourself by moving to a different skill set, market etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author semahsedut
    i would say nowdays :

    1. Fb ads
    2. Instagram

    the rest ?
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  • Profile picture of the author flipperhacks
    You've got the wrong mentality.

    If there are multiple players in a certain niche that's usually a good sign! It means there is a proven money spending niche you can go for! It's up to you to work harder and smarter than them and get the same if not better results!

    The internet is dead for lazy marketers who want to make a quick buck.

    It's never dead for people that work hard and continue creating opportunities for themeselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author weboledge
    I think its more alive then ever for some niches and dead ( high competition ) for some niches
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