Is Canada A Good Place To Work.

by vorales 78 replies
Hi Warriors,

Well i would like to know whether Canada is a good place to work.

Specially the city of Toronto?How is it for working point of view?

How internet marketing taking place in Toronto?

Does a lot of people from Toronto work online?


I had been to Toronto last year it was freezing cold and the temp was -12 degree with wind chill almost -15 to -20.wow freezing cold but in Malaysia v r on equator so all the while its summers here.

Any one from DownTown Toronto explain about the living?

Yonge and Bloor, Yonge and Dundas are good intersection i had visited.

How people work in snow?

True advice would be highly Appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Arcana Media
    Hi,

    I live a couple hours away from Toronto, so could probably some of answer your questions...

    > Well i would like to know whether Canada is a good place to work.
    > Specially the city of Toronto?How is it for working point of view?

    Yes... depending on what job you do.

    Toronto is Canada's largest city, so if you work out of the home you may need to take public transit (train, bus) unless you're within walking distance... although In Februrary, they might find you frozen in a snow bank.

    However if you're working full time online (ie internet marketing) then you won't have to worry about how you'll get to work everyday. Just be close to a corner (convenience) store etc and you should be good.


    > How internet marketing taking place in Toronto?
    > Does a lot of people from Toronto work online?

    I'm sure there are a lot of internet marketers in Toronto, and some associated companies, and I know Toronto has a few IM conventions every year too. I'd imagine any major conventions here would take place in Toronto, Vancouver, or Montreal which within driving distance of Toronto.


    >I had been to Toronto last year it was freezing cold and the temp was -12 degree with wind chill almost -15 to -20.wow freezing cold but in Malaysia v r on equator so all the while its summers here.<

    Ha - well, it's not that cold here ALL of time... just most of the time. (or so it seems. LOL).

    But in the summer it's quite warm and you'd be comfortable.

    Keep in mind that a recent census revealed just under half the population in Toronto is immigrants, and many come from warmer climates than Canada and do okay. I know a couple of people from the Philippines who moved to Canada recently and they managed to survive their first winters.

    I always get a laugh at how much they enjoy snow when they first experience it... but then eventually learn to hate it as much as most Canadians do.


    > Any one from DownTown Toronto explain about the living?
    > Yonge and Bloor, Yonge and Dundas are good intersection i had visited.

    I recognize the street names, but don't know much about them.

    "Jane and Finch" (streets) is unfortunately one section of the city you may want to avoid moving to or near, but otherwise most places are fine.


    > How people work in snow?

    Walk in snowshoes or use a snow-sled pulled by dogs.

    Also be sure to carry a large pointy stick or a harpoon with you at night, just in case you're attacked by a polar bear or rabid moose while walking downtown.


    > True advice would be highly Appreciated.

    Hopefully someone who lives in Toronto can add to my comments here, and give you a better idea what the internet marketing scene is like.

    Good luck and welcome!

    - Steve
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    • I agree with all of Steve's comments above (particularly about snowshoes and moose). Unfortunately, I have a big mouth and must comment too.

      I am not positive why you would move to Toronto to be an internet marketer. There really isn't any business reason to move there if you make a living online. All Canadian cities (and most Canadian towns) have high speed internet access, phone service, computer service etc.

      If you are getting a J.O.B. in Toronto, then I suggest looking to live somewhat close to where you work, if possible. Traffic is no fun in Toronto, and commutes are pretty long sometimes. Toronto is also not an inexpensive place to live (rent or mortgage-wise), and if you are choosing the heart of downtown (Young & Bloor - isn't that where the MuchMusic building is?) then expect to pay premium prices. The last apartment I looked at in DT Toronto was $1600/month, and it wasn't that special.

      Most of Canada gets cold in winter, particularly compared to Malaysia. You were lucky to see only -12C...try weeks of -25C or colder some winters. Toronto in particular is chilly in the winter and very humid in the summer (making it muggy). I also find it quite smoggy.

      If you are concerned about weather, then the only place where you will find above-freezing temperatures in the winter is southern British Columbia. Vancouver is dark and rainy in the winter, but it isn't really "cold", and it rarely freezes. The southern interior (where I live) typically has above-freezing temperatures during the day and moderate freezing temperatures at night (I live in the mountains, so the weather is really pretty wild). Summers are moderate in Vancouver, hot in the interior (but not humid, so a Malaysian won't find it uncomfortable). The best weather is probably in Victoria (on Vancouver Island), where it is virtually never hot, rarely cold and very rarely below freezing.

      As far as "good place to work", it really depends on what you will be doing. There is a great deal of regulation and bureaucracy in Canada, frustrating some entrepreneurs. Lots of rules and paperwork. Overall, you will find Canadian business people to be conservative and cautious, so deals don't tend to happen instantly. However, if you have patience you can jump those hurdles as millions of business people in Canada have.

      If you are working for someone, again it depends on what you are doing. Some jobs/professions are heavily regulated and/or protected. Some are very "unprotected." While people have the impression that workers are somehow protected by the government, in general they really aren't (most provinces in Canada are "employment-at-will" provinces, meaning that an employer can terminate your employment at any time for any reason, or no reason). There is a lot of unionization in Canada too (especially big manufacturing operations, like auto plants, smelters/steel plants etc.), and obviously union employees fall under terms of the contract, not general rules or laws. The unionization unfortunately means that entering a lot of workplaces is difficult, as those workplaces tend to avoid hiring lots of new people (to fall under union rules...). You would need to be more specific for people to advise you any more than that.

      Now - - you have to understand my biases, as they permeate all my comments. I was born and raised in Edmonton, Alberta. That is the heart of separatist western Canada. We were practically taught to hate Toronto in school! I was raised in the 80's, the height of the oil bust/recession, when unemployment was running 20% (50% in my age group) and "Eastern" Canada (really Central Canada, mainly Ontario) was doing fine and federal politicians from Ontario were saying that Albertans "deserved" to suffer.

      So - I wasn't ever going to be impressed with Toronto. Given that, I have visited about 10 times and worked there for a few months. My impression is that it is one of the more unfriendly cities in Canada. The friendliest was Halifax, second was actually Montreal. My hometown (Edmonton) USED to be a very polite and friendly place, but now it is extremely rude and unfriendly. Vancouver isn't a friendly place either - they aren't unfriendly, but rather indifferent (I think it is because they are all wondering how they are going to pay their mortgages this month - very, very expensive place to live).

      If you are taking a job, and it is in Toronto, then move there. It will be a big adjustment for you. But it will be survivable. In the winter, just wear warm clothes (parka, mitts, a hat...). It is easier to deal with cold than with heat - you can always put on more layers when it gets cold, but if it is hot you you can't take anything else off once you are naked!

      If you aren't taking a job in Toronto, then I find it hard to understand why you want to move there. There are lots of suburbs and smaller cities around metro Toronto that are easier (and cheaper) to live in, and you can always take the train to Toronto on Friday to meet friends or whatever. For that matter, there are lots of other places in Canada (if you must come to Canada).

      By the way - if any Torontonian does comment on this thread, they are likely to explain why Toronto is the greatest place in the world. They are like that...kinda confused due to the smog (low oxygen) and their own sense of importance.

      Best Regards, Georgetta

      PS If you are in downtown Toronto - go to the Royal Ontario Museum, near the U of T campus. I have been to quite a few museums in my life, and if you like "world civilization/history" and natural sciences (animals, minerals etc.) then this museum is tops. They had the most impressive collection of minerals and gems that I have ever seen (yes, I like neat mineral formations...). Not a great art museum - for that go to the Louvre in Paris or the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam...
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      • Profile picture of the author chris_surfrider
        The best weather is probably in Victoria (on Vancouver Island), where it is virtually never hot, rarely cold and very rarely below freezing
        Victoria is definitely a good place to be, although I miss my Kelowna summers (Kelowna's in interior BC).

        I agree, the best climate in Canada is in BC, particularly the southern interior and west coast areas.

        Toronto, to put things in perspective, is about a 4-day car trip away from Vancouver (the west coast), and that's if you're driving from dawn till dusk each day.

        Canada is huge and its climates vary tremendously from one region to the next.

        As for living quality, well, I can't really think of any place that has as much freedom, opportunity and safety.

        So if you can handle the climate, it's basically as good as it gets. (Yes, I'm biased).

        Tax rate is slightly higher than the US, though.

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        • Profile picture of the author Heather Vale
          I lived and worked in Toronto for 20 years... very close to Yonge and Bloor (no, that's not where the Much Music building is -- that's at Queen and John, about a good 30 minutes if you're going to walk).

          The weather downtown is hardly ever as cold as you describe, because of the lake effect -- being right on Lake Ontario, the cold is moderated and snow downtown only lasts a day or two usually. And the summers are quite hot.

          I also hope you know that Steve was kidding about snow shoes, harpoons and so forth... Canadians like to take advantage of people who might believe such tales, so take anything "snow-related" with a grain of salt.

          There are several IM conventions and workshops held there, but not as many as in other industries. Toronto really is a convention capital, but I've only been to a few IM seminars there, and no real "conventions" except on the internet in general.

          As has been pointed out, there's no need to live in a big city to do IM... but if you're looking to network face-to-face or get a JOB with someone else, there's lots of opportunity if you're good at what you do.

          I know a few IMers who live in or near Toronto, but I never actually got around to meeting up with them while I was there.

          Still, if you like the excitement of a big city but a cleaner experience than somewhere like New York, Toronto is an excellent choice.

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        • Profile picture of the author daelx
          I was born and raised on Vancouver Island... It's a great place for living. Especially if you have a little money. You don't need multi-millions but a million or two and you'll be living well in the best part of Canada.

          Toronto is fine... I mean here in the west we are taught to hate Toronto with a passion. Everything east of the GTA hates Toronto and everything west of the GTA hates Toronto. If you become a Canadian and don't live in Toronto you'll have to hate them as well. Meanwhile everyone in Toronto will think that they are Canada. That there is nothing beyond the GTA. It's really funny.

          Having said that... when I've been on business in Toronto I've always enjoyed my time. Even when it's been cold. (I don't see below freezing in the west, so it's kind of fun to feel that crazy weather.) The people have always been friendly, but a little arrogant about the GTA. You know, they make jokes like it's the centre of the world... but they actually mean it's the centre of the world.

          Hey listen, I'm all for BC. It's expensive for sure. But it has a lot of perks. Like the weather, the laid back attitudes, the 10-4 work days, and the beautiful scenery. There really is no place like it... it's truly the most beautiful part of Canada. We can match anything that any other province has.

          Alberta is a hole. It's the worst part of Canada. To be honest they are much worst than people from the GTA. They think they are gods gift, because of their sand. (Oil in the sand.) While they are destroying Canada's environmental record they'll brag about how much money the Alberta government has... Not for long Alberta... oil prices go up and down... when oil goes below $75 again you'll be hurting. (It costs a fortune to get that oil out their sand traps.) I love to tell people from Alberta that they can have their sand traps and we'll take our Ocean. (More bloody oil off the Queen Charlotes than all of Alberta's sand.) (Alberta SUCKS)

          Having said all that Canada as a whole is a great place to live. No crazy patriot act and tolerance for everyone... You can be anything you want here and for the most part people will leave you alone.
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          • Profile picture of the author chris_surfrider
            Alberta is a hole. It's the worst part of Canada.
            You ever been to Winnipeg?

            Doesn't sound like it...

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          • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
            Man I wouldn't move to the city.

            I was born and raised in Calgary - the best city in Alberta ans a rival of Edmonchuck - but as soon as I was making enough online I moved to a small town and never looked back.

            Small town life is great! (If you are older like me) - otherwise you need a bigger center for nitelife etc.

            Here are some pics of Alberta from a recent camping trip near where I live
            http://good-times.webshots.com/album/565319031WRqjTO

            A beautiful place to live

            And here is my amping blog with more if interested.
            http://rverblogs.com/travelstar18rb/
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            • O.K.,

              after dissing Toronto (possibly unfairly, although they DO think they are the center of the universe), I still find I have to defend Alberta.

              Alberta is NOT a hole. While the cities (Edmonton, Calgary...and what the heck, let's throw in Red Deer) aren't that remarkable, they aren't ugly or dirty or anything. Some of the landscape in Alberta is breathtaking beyond compare. Drive the highway from Jasper to Banff, through the Rockies, or wander around the badlands in the south, or check out some of the craggy lakes in the north, and you will be convinced.

              I live in BC (in the S. Kootenay, very picturesque, mountains and big rivers and long lakes and such). Lots of beauty. But there are some places in Alberta that equal that beauty. And frankly, the gently rolling landscape around Edmonton ("aspen parkland", not prairie) is also very beautiful and quite soothing (at least in the summer). And after driving though the mountains for hours, it is a treat to see the enormous, never-ending sky that is Central Alberta. They call Montana "big sky country", but Alberta has similar "big" sky.

              The new transplanted "Albertans" are very smug and rolling in dough right now - true. They are very rude in the shops and display atrocious driving habits. Old time Albertans like me tend to say they probably are transplanted Torontonians...ah yes, I couldn't resist one more "diss" on the GTA crowd.

              And I will say that Winnipeg, while pretty miserable, has at least the 3rd friendliest people I have found in a city in Canada.

              I also have to agree with Tim (despite his being a Calgarian - the natural enemy of Edmontonians) that small town living beats big city living. I wouldn't choose to live in a big city any more. The big city benefit is basically: shopping. The smaller town/small city benefits are: everything else.

              Best Regards, Georgetta
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              • Profile picture of the author chris_surfrider
                It's amazing how even such a small sampling of Canadians on the WF can accurately represent the whole "epidemic" of regionalism that exists nationwide.

                Non-Canadians probably have NO idea what (or why) we're bickering like this, even though to us it's as natural as breathing.

                We're also notorious for making fun of our politicians.

                Even more-so than the Americans, based on what I've seen, anyway.

                (For example, there's a site that's selling "inaction figures" of all our politicians that I just saw on the news tonight - made me laugh...)

                Well, back to the igloo...

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          • Profile picture of the author Heather Vale
            Originally Posted by daelx View Post

            Toronto is fine... I mean here in the west we are taught to hate Toronto with a passion. Everything east of the GTA hates Toronto and everything west of the GTA hates Toronto. If you become a Canadian and don't live in Toronto you'll have to hate them as well. Meanwhile everyone in Toronto will think that they are Canada. That there is nothing beyond the GTA. It's really funny.
            Actually, what's really funny is that so many people waste their time and energy hating Toronto, when Torontonians never have a bad thing to say about them back. Torontonians don't bother hating anybody else in Canada... why would they? What's the point?

            And yet, as evidenced here, the rest of Canada "is taught" to hate Toronto.

            Jealousy? Insecurity? Skewed reality? I really don't know, actually.

            Sad more than funny, really.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alice Seba
          I love it all and wish I've seen more of it. Anyone notice that it's often cheaper to fly to Europe or exotic places than to fly WITHIN Canada?

          It's sad. As a result, even though I was born and raised in Vancouver, outside of B.C. I've only been to Calgary, Edmonton, Quebec City and the airport in Toronto (on a stopover to Quebec City). Very sad, indeed.

          Now that DH is not working, wethinks it's time for a cross Canada road trip very soon.

          Oh yeah...to the OP...I'm not exactly sure what's being asked. And since I've only been in the airport in Toronto, I'm probably not qualified to answer.

          Good luck!

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      • Profile picture of the author vorales
        Originally Posted by GeorgettaSterling View Post

        I agree with all of Steve's comments above (particularly about snowshoes and moose). Unfortunately, I have a big mouth and must comment too.

        I am not positive why you would move to Toronto to be an internet marketer. There really isn't any business reason to move there if you make a living online. All Canadian cities (and most Canadian towns) have high speed internet access, phone service, computer service etc.

        If you are getting a J.O.B. in Toronto, then I suggest looking to live somewhat close to where you work, if possible. Traffic is no fun in Toronto, and commutes are pretty long sometimes. Toronto is also not an inexpensive place to live (rent or mortgage-wise), and if you are choosing the heart of downtown (Young & Bloor - isn't that where the MuchMusic building is?) then expect to pay premium prices. The last apartment I looked at in DT Toronto was $1600/month, and it wasn't that special.

        Most of Canada gets cold in winter, particularly compared to Malaysia. You were lucky to see only -12C...try weeks of -25C or colder some winters. Toronto in particular is chilly in the winter and very humid in the summer (making it muggy). I also find it quite smoggy.

        If you are concerned about weather, then the only place where you will find above-freezing temperatures in the winter is southern British Columbia. Vancouver is dark and rainy in the winter, but it isn't really "cold", and it rarely freezes. The southern interior (where I live) typically has above-freezing temperatures during the day and moderate freezing temperatures at night (I live in the mountains, so the weather is really pretty wild). Summers are moderate in Vancouver, hot in the interior (but not humid, so a Malaysian won't find it uncomfortable). The best weather is probably in Victoria (on Vancouver Island), where it is virtually never hot, rarely cold and very rarely below freezing.

        As far as "good place to work", it really depends on what you will be doing. There is a great deal of regulation and bureaucracy in Canada, frustrating some entrepreneurs. Lots of rules and paperwork. Overall, you will find Canadian business people to be conservative and cautious, so deals don't tend to happen instantly. However, if you have patience you can jump those hurdles as millions of business people in Canada have.

        If you are working for someone, again it depends on what you are doing. Some jobs/professions are heavily regulated and/or protected. Some are very "unprotected." While people have the impression that workers are somehow protected by the government, in general they really aren't (most provinces in Canada are "employment-at-will" provinces, meaning that an employer can terminate your employment at any time for any reason, or no reason). There is a lot of unionization in Canada too (especially big manufacturing operations, like auto plants, smelters/steel plants etc.), and obviously union employees fall under terms of the contract, not general rules or laws. The unionization unfortunately means that entering a lot of workplaces is difficult, as those workplaces tend to avoid hiring lots of new people (to fall under union rules...). You would need to be more specific for people to advise you any more than that.

        Now - - you have to understand my biases, as they permeate all my comments. I was born and raised in Edmonton, Alberta. That is the heart of separatist western Canada. We were practically taught to hate Toronto in school! I was raised in the 80's, the height of the oil bust/recession, when unemployment was running 20% (50% in my age group) and "Eastern" Canada (really Central Canada, mainly Ontario) was doing fine and federal politicians from Ontario were saying that Albertans "deserved" to suffer.

        So - I wasn't ever going to be impressed with Toronto. Given that, I have visited about 10 times and worked there for a few months. My impression is that it is one of the more unfriendly cities in Canada. The friendliest was Halifax, second was actually Montreal. My hometown (Edmonton) USED to be a very polite and friendly place, but now it is extremely rude and unfriendly. Vancouver isn't a friendly place either - they aren't unfriendly, but rather indifferent (I think it is because they are all wondering how they are going to pay their mortgages this month - very, very expensive place to live).

        If you are taking a job, and it is in Toronto, then move there. It will be a big adjustment for you. But it will be survivable. In the winter, just wear warm clothes (parka, mitts, a hat...). It is easier to deal with cold than with heat - you can always put on more layers when it gets cold, but if it is hot you you can't take anything else off once you are naked!

        If you aren't taking a job in Toronto, then I find it hard to understand why you want to move there. There are lots of suburbs and smaller cities around metro Toronto that are easier (and cheaper) to live in, and you can always take the train to Toronto on Friday to meet friends or whatever. For that matter, there are lots of other places in Canada (if you must come to Canada).

        By the way - if any Torontonian does comment on this thread, they are likely to explain why Toronto is the greatest place in the world. They are like that...kinda confused due to the smog (low oxygen) and their own sense of importance.

        Best Regards, Georgetta

        PS If you are in downtown Toronto - go to the Royal Ontario Museum, near the U of T campus. I have been to quite a few museums in my life, and if you like "world civilization/history" and natural sciences (animals, minerals etc.) then this museum is tops. They had the most impressive collection of minerals and gems that I have ever seen (yes, I like neat mineral formations...). Not a great art museum - for that go to the Louvre in Paris or the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam...
        Hello Georgetta,

        Thanks a lot I really apreciate your time and comments.

        I had been to Royal Ontario Musem when i visited the dimand shape was under construction but now when my hubby went there he told me that its done now.and it looks beautiful now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rich Muir
    Love the bickery,

    Timely thread. I am looking to take my family and live OS (currently living on the beaches on east coast of Aus) and looking to go to the opposite.

    What do you reckon good for a total change of life from Aus to Cannada as it was 1 of 3 locations that we are discussing. Really after a great adventure as 3 kids all under 10 and want them to experience something a little different to the beach. Although now spring is here it is hard not to get down there!

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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Hodgins
      I must be severely repressed.

      I guess most of my life I've lived 4-8 hrs drive North of T.O. that I have to laugh at the place being referenced as cold.

      Half of my extended family lives there and I've been there often.

      So, echo many of the above comments regarding Canada in general and add to it that one better have some mad skills or a hell of an education...alternatively be FT internet marketing to live there.

      Otherwise you'd be pouring coffee for minimum wage these days.

      Besides BC, the cost of living there compared to where I am is madness. (it isn't exactly cheap here either.)


      I haven't ventured around a ton since I got out of the military, but the parts of Canada other than here that I have seen are pretty cool too.

      All-in-all, this place is great if you killed half the red tape. The weather is something that is deceptive to a non-Canadian.

      Here, where I live in Ontario, it gets to -35C plus wind chill in the worst of winter and in the summer I regularly see it at about 27-34C, sometimes worse.

      Not enough coffee yet, I'm rambling...


      Anyway, they don't joke when they speak of diversity in this country & that's in more than one way.

      Whatever you decide to do, I'd say think through the whole idea of Toronto & maybe think of something on the outskirts or slightly south of there perhaps.


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      • Profile picture of the author salamandar
        Having lived in Singapore and Malaysia but after living in Canada for 30 years, I'd say that Canada WOULD be a weather nightmare for someone whose worst weather is Monsoon storms in December and January.

        Although Toronto is less "Great White North" than my own home of Ottawa, I have spent some miserable times in Toronto while on business trips. The wind can rip through those streets with hellish ferocity.

        Singapore/Malaysia are close behind Canada in internet connectivity and you can truly sit out on the patio most of the day and night in light shorts and tee in my experience - just substituting IM for mah jong.

        I love Canada but I'd like to retire somewhere warm like Malaysia during the winters.

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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Sol
    Hey!

    I prefer Montreal over Toronto... But that simply because I am young and I like to go out and I enjoy nightlife - something that Toronto doesn't really offer (comparing to Montreal).

    Also, Montreal has been "nominated" as the "Little Europe of North America". Many Europeans live here, the life style is also similar and well... I just love the town and the folks in it! The living costs in Montreal are also lower than in Toronto.

    Now about IM... I find more and more IM'ers that live in Montreal. I had a chance to meet with a few of them - awesome people! IM is actually a great job for Montreal, just like in Toronto it gets pretty cold here in winter, so instead of fighting the freezing wind and shoveling your car for 2 hours - I just stay home and enjoy my "job"...

    Anyways, Canada is the great place to be - as long as you chose Montreal, Toronto or Vancouver... most of the other towns here are pretty small and well, boring to me.

    Good Luck!

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    • Profile picture of the author daelx
      Nope, Alberta is a Hole.

      The only parts of Alberta that are nice are hugging the BC border. It's just a little of the BC spill-over.

      Sorry Alberta really does SUCK. I'd take the GTA over Alberta any day.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sylvia Meier
        Originally Posted by Tim_Carter View Post

        Man I wouldn't move to the city.

        I was born and raised in Calgary - the best city in Alberta ans a rival of Edmonchuck - but as soon as I was making enough online I moved to a small town and never looked back.
        Originally Posted by daelx View Post

        Nope, Alberta is a Hole.

        Sorry Alberta really does SUCK. I'd take the GTA over Alberta any day.
        I was born and raised and still live in Calgary Alberta. Compared to other places I think it is a great place to live. The oil boom can kick your ass for housing costs etc but if you are making your living online and not needing to go anywhere for work it isn't so bad. I have considered myself though moving to a small town, just to escape some of the big city feel this place is starting to get.

        As for Toronto, we thought about moving there. Hubby went over there for a bit, stayed his first night in a hostile, got attacked and almost killed and now I would never in a million years think of moving there.

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        • Profile picture of the author Jamie Iaconis
          Hi,

          I just had to pipe up here....

          YES, Winnipeg is the biggest hole in Canada...

          Alberta is a bunch of hicks...

          Toronto... big, busy, crappy weather...

          The rest who knows...

          I live in Vancouver, B.C. and I love it, everything about it.

          The people, weather, scenery and everything in
          Vancouver and British Columbia is beautiful
          and I will never leave this area, EVER!

          Jamie
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          • Profile picture of the author Heather Vale
            Originally Posted by Jamie Iaconis View Post

            Hi,

            I just had to pipe up here....

            YES, Winnipeg is the biggest hole in Canada...

            Alberta is a bunch of hicks...

            Toronto... big, busy, crappy weather...

            The rest who knows...

            I live in Vancouver, B.C. and I love it, everything about it.

            The people, weather, scenery and everything in
            Vancouver and British Columbia is beautiful
            and I will never leave this area, EVER!

            Jamie
            A lot of you guys (except Alice) are being REALLY negative. Why do you all hate parts of your own country so much?

            Canada is considered one of the most beautiful places in the world, and has one of the best standards of living. A lot of people around the world would LOVE to live there.

            If you think all those places are "holes" or "dangerous" or "crappy" or full of "hicks" then you obviously haven't really spent time there.

            20 years in downtown Toronto, and I was NEVER attacked or killed. Go figure! There was also a booming night life there, I guess you have to know where to look.

            Several visits to Calgary and Edmonton, and I never met one hick.

            Numerous week-long journeys to Winnipeg, and met some of the nicest people in the world. Even Portage and Main was not windy and cold like everyone says (although I was never there in the dead of winter).

            Several trips to Montreal, and I loved it (except that I tried to practice my French and people kept deciding they'd rather speak in English).

            Ottawa's also a very pretty city, and obviously kept very clean.

            Also many trips to Vancouver and Victoria... beautiful when it's not raining.

            I guess there's some truth to the cliche that SOME Canadians can't embrace anything that's in their own country... beyond their own backyards, which according to this thread are always MUCH better than anywhere else could possibly be.

            I remember when the Barenaked Ladies were only known in Canada, and everyone made fun of them. Then they got big in the US and everyone said with pride, "Oh, they're from here!" Same thing with Celine Dion, Shania Twain, Avril Lavigne... why do Canadians have such a hard time embracing their country's own talent, and own beauty, until some outsider embraces it first?

            Doesn't really give a valid objective view to the guy from Malaysia who was originally asking! I'd say if you're going to answer a thread like this, do it with compassion and objectivity, not ridiculous negative things like telling him what there is to hate because YOU hate it.

            And if you're so consumed in hatred and negative views because of one bad experience, or one preconceived notion, keep it to yourself or present it in the proper light -- as one bad experience or preconceived notion, but in no way the final answer on what that city is like.

            That's like telling someone not to get involved in IM because your aunt got scammed by buying an e-book.

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            • Profile picture of the author Jamie Iaconis
              Originally Posted by Heather Vale View Post


              Numerous week-long journeys to Winnipeg, and met some of the nicest people in the world. Even Portage and Main was not windy and cold like everyone says (although I was never there in the dead of winter).

              Also many trips to Vancouver and Victoria... beautiful when it's not raining.

              Heather
              Heather... I was around Portage and Main in Winnipeg for a week
              and I can say that whole city looks like it had been through a
              windstorm or dirtstorm for that matter, and never been cleaned up!

              At night all you hear is drunk hooligans all over the streets rambling
              and yes it was also very, very cold there!

              Vancouver does have a little bit of rain, but that is
              what's required to keep our province very GREEN!

              By Alberta being a bunch of hicks... I actually should have
              said the highest population of cowboys etc are in AB.

              Toronto is a kinda dangerous place, have you not heard
              about people being capped right on the bus, like c'mon!

              I know lots of people from Toronto and they visit and
              always come back or they never leave from their visit
              or they even decide to move here after their visit.

              Anything else I should clear up?
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              • Profile picture of the author Heather Vale
                Originally Posted by Jamie Iaconis View Post

                Heather... I was around Portage and Main in Winnipeg for a week
                and I can say that whole city looks like it had been through a
                windstorm or dirtstorm for that matter, and never been cleaned up!

                At night all you hear is drunk hooligans all over the streets rambling
                and yes it was also very, very cold there!

                Vancouver does have a little bit of rain, but that is
                what's required to keep our province very GREEN!

                By Alberta being a bunch of hicks... I actually should have
                said the highest population of cowboys etc are in AB.

                Toronto is a kinda dangerous place, have you not heard
                about people being capped right on the bus, like c'mon!

                I know lots of people from Toronto and they visit and
                always come back or they never leave from their visit
                or they even decide to move here after their visit.

                Anything else I should clear up?
                Jamie,

                I'm sure it depends where you stayed in Winnipeg... in all my nightly travels, I never saw a drunk hooligan, even though my favorite hotel on the first two trips was the one right downtown by Portage Place.

                And Portage and Main looked fine... and in fact, the weather was quite warm and beautiful every time I went (always either spring or fall, not even the summer).

                Vancouver rains a lot -- that's why every hotel room has an umbrella in the closet! Nothing wrong with rain, I wish we'd get a bit more of it down here in Oregon, but when all my Vancouverite friends complain about not seeing any sun for months at a time, I have to say it's more than a "little" rain.

                And Alberta also has a lot of very wealthy people.

                As for Toronto, you actually believe the skewed reality you see on the news? What don't you understand... I lived in DOWNTOWN Toronto for over 20 years! And, get this, I worked as a bartender for about 15 of those, and was out at all hours of the night. It is NOT a dangerous city! (Okay, that's relative... it may be more dangerous than Moosejaw, Saskatchewan, but it's incredibly safe compared to most cities worldwide of comparable size).

                I also worked as a news anchor on the top news-talk radio station in the country, and was witness to my co-workers just PRAYING for something to happen that they could talk about... a fire, a crime, anything. They were bored (and yes, that's a very sad statement on the news industry, and the main reason I got out).

                But the bottom line is, the NEWS is going to tell you the "BAD" stuff. That's what they consider "newsworthy" because it's "out of the ordinary" (i.e. it doesn't happen all the time, that's why they report it).

                And yes, scared old ladies tend to focus on all that kind of stuff too. So your aunt from Ontario is going to tell you all about how big and bad Toronto is, and why she would never go there -- but she doesn't really know, because she never goes there! LOL.

                Somebody earlier pointed out there are some ghetto-ish areas like Jane and Finch to stay away from... and there is more crime there than elsewhere because of their gang-war crap going on. But I've been there many times during the day and it was fine... and if you're not in a gang, there's nothing to worry about.

                So if you don't have experience with living in a city like Toronto (not just visiting it), you can't really comment on the safety aspect of it, can you?

                I know Torontonians who have moved to Vancouver, I know Vancouverites who have moved to Toronto, and I know several who go back and forth every few years.

                Your friends who have moved from Toronto to Vancouver are not the be-all and end-all of how everybody thinks and acts.

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            • Profile picture of the author Steve Taylor
              Originally Posted by Heather Vale View Post

              A lot of you guys (except Alice) are being REALLY negative. Why do you all hate parts of your own country so much?

              Canada is considered one of the most beautiful places in the world, and has one of the best standards of living. A lot of people around the world would LOVE to live there.

              If you think all those places are "holes" or "dangerous" or "crappy" or full of "hicks" then you obviously haven't really spent time there.

              20 years in downtown Toronto, and I was NEVER attacked or killed. Go figure! There was also a booming night life there, I guess you have to know where to look.

              Several visits to Calgary and Edmonton, and I never met one hick.

              Numerous week-long journeys to Winnipeg, and met some of the nicest people in the world. Even Portage and Main was not windy and cold like everyone says (although I was never there in the dead of winter).

              Several trips to Montreal, and I loved it (except that I tried to practice my French and people kept deciding they'd rather speak in English).

              Ottawa's also a very pretty city, and obviously kept very clean.

              Also many trips to Vancouver and Victoria... beautiful when it's not raining.

              I guess there's some truth to the cliche that SOME Canadians can't embrace anything that's in their own country... beyond their own backyards, which according to this thread are always MUCH better than anywhere else could possibly be.

              I remember when the Barenaked Ladies were only known in Canada, and everyone made fun of them. Then they got big in the US and everyone said with pride, "Oh, they're from here!" Same thing with Celine Dion, Shania Twain, Avril Lavigne... why do Canadians have such a hard time embracing their country's own talent, and own beauty, until some outsider embraces it first?

              Doesn't really give a valid objective view to the guy from Malaysia who was originally asking! I'd say if you're going to answer a thread like this, do it with compassion and objectivity, not ridiculous negative things like telling him what there is to hate because YOU hate it.

              And if you're so consumed in hatred and negative views because of one bad experience, or one preconceived notion, keep it to yourself or present it in the proper light -- as one bad experience or preconceived notion, but in no way the final answer on what that city is like.

              That's like telling someone not to get involved in IM because your aunt got scammed by buying an e-book.

              Heather
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              Well said Heather.

              Through out the years playing in bands, I have spent time in every major city in Canada and hundreds, maybe a thousand smaller towns in Canada including the USA and Europe.

              It is more expensive that most American cities but the lifestyle is great.

              The towns and cities that strike me as most favorable are:

              Niagara on the Lake

              The Province of Prince Edward Island

              Salt Spring Island

              Queen Charlotte Island

              Sunshine Coast

              If the OP is looking for a job...

              Toronto,

              Alberta province is still booming

              Vancouver/Lower Mainland...just stay away from Hasting street area!!!

              Myself, I'm looking for some solitude and peace, so eventually, I'm seeking out an area where I can do internet business and fish whenever I want.

              The west coast is the ticket for me.

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              • Profile picture of the author Jamie Iaconis
                Originally Posted by Steve Taylor View Post

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                Vancouver/Lower Mainland...just stay away from Hasting street area!!!

                The west coast is the ticket for me.

                -Steve "I fish - therefor I am" Taylor

                HAHA, ya Hastings Street is kinda not so good anymore... I remember going
                down there when I was young (before many of the bums/homeless) to watch
                the P.N.E. Parade and there were almost no bums at all.

                But, Canada's West Coast is where I'm staying, no doubt about it!
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                • Profile picture of the author Steve Taylor
                  Originally Posted by Jamie Iaconis View Post

                  HAHA, ya Hastings Street is kinda not so good anymore... I remember going
                  down there when I was young (before many of the bums/homeless) to watch
                  the P.N.E. Parade and there were almost no bums at all.

                  But, Canada's West Coast is where I'm staying, no doubt about it!
                  Statistics are reporting that Hasting street is the worst area in all of North America. And that says a lot...I've been to the ghettos of Detroit, New York etc.

                  The gov. will be trying to force them further out of town for the winter Olympics... they won't go that far, maybe just spread out more around the downtown area. Can't have the world see that mess.


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                • Profile picture of the author Maria Gudelis
                  Whew - Vorales - you've got a ton of great info here on Canada!

                  I used to live right at Yonge and Bloor and loved it! (I also have lived in Calgary and Vancouver and loved it there too!)

                  To some of your questions:

                  "Specially the city of Toronto?How is it for working point of view?

                  How internet marketing taking place in Toronto?


                  Any one from DownTown Toronto explain about the living?"

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                  Toronto is great from a working point of view - many opportunities as the business is quite diversified since it is a major city.

                  Internet marketing- yes - taking place in T.O. just as in many other cities/countries. It is easier to email out from Cdn. hosting companies as well

                  Living downtown - you actually don't even need to own a car as you are in walking distance to many shops, restaurants, movies, bars, parks etc. and there is excellent transportation - the subway system is great - when i lived there - never even had to step outside (in winter) to get to work as you zip down to the subway and there is a massive huge walking/underground via malls etc. to major corporate buildings. Now of course, in the summer, spring, fall, you can enjoy the nice weather via walking outside!

                  There are plenty of things to do there, walk to Yorkville to people watch, enjoy the posh shops, etc. or catch the film festival. My favorite thing to do when I lived there was go to Greektown (via subway) on the weekend to do some grocery shopping.

                  Anyway - as a country the people are quite friendly and can't see any reason why you wouldn't enjoy living there!

                  Good luck in your decision!
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                • Profile picture of the author Jason Hodgins
                  ...Hours later...



                  I'm certainly not trying to paint a negative picture of the country or any aspect of it but...

                  First, regarding "hicks" LMAO, we have lots of them up around here in Ontario, I may even fit the bill on that one. Maybe it's the extreme northern location that I live, I dunno. (Think Nickel Belt).

                  Second, I moved to Toronto in 1996 and stayed exactly one month. Not because of the city itself or people, but because the first place I stayed back then was in the core of downtown. My indoctrination into the city was the shooting and killing of a gang member 20ft from the hood of my car with a Tek 9. Yeah, it was in a "bad" area compared to the ones being asked about but only by a few blocks.

                  Suffice it to say that I may have been biased by that one. A RARE occurrence but I chose to return to a smaller area for a while.

                  Like all cities anywhere there are pros and cons, I just spoke from my experiences.

                  For example, about 6 months of my military training back in the day I was just outside of Montreal and we hung out there almost every weekend. The nightlife was awesome and secondary to that the architecture there is pretty amazing as well.

                  The other thing that I have to agree with though is with the post regarding hitting the US for better work/pay or taxes--unfortunately I would tend to agree with that one.

                  My cousin (whom I was raised with here) relocated 10 years ago and is now in the USAF, for the most part he swears he'd never move back but still loves to visit for all the reasons listed above.

                  There, hopefully a more balanced opinion of this side of the country. I can't speak at all about western Canada as I've yet to be there for any length of time personally. All I have to go on is family that live in every other province.

                  Either way this whole thread although chock full of info and opinions got waaaay off topic from the OP's question so I'll back out. Hehehe.

                  Peace,

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                  • Profile picture of the author Heather Vale
                    Originally Posted by Jason Hodgins View Post


                    Second, I moved to Toronto in 1996 and stayed exactly one month. Not because of the city itself or people, but because the first place I stayed back then was in the core of downtown. My indoctrination into the city was the shooting and killing of a gang member 20ft from the hood of my car with a Tek 9. Yeah, it was in a "bad" area compared to the ones being asked about but only by a few blocks.

                    Suffice it to say that I may have been biased by that one. A RARE occurrence but I chose to return to a smaller area for a while.

                    Like all cities anywhere there are pros and cons, I just spoke from my experiences.
                    Yup, biased, but... at least you admitted it! Probably St. Jamestown or thereabouts, right? Parliament and Gerrard, Parliament and Wellesley... a little seedy in pockets because of the public housing and such.

                    Nice to see some more objective views coming out now.

                    BTW earlier you mentioned choosing somewhere "south" of Toronto... er, I think that would put you smack in the middle of Lake Ontario, so I'd rethink that one too!

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                    • Profile picture of the author Jason Hodgins
                      Originally Posted by Heather Vale View Post

                      Yup, biased, but... at least you admitted it! Probably St. Jamestown or thereabouts, right? Parliament and Gerrard, Parliament and Wellesley... a little seedy in pockets because of the public housing and such.

                      Nice to see some more objective views coming out now.

                      BTW earlier you mentioned choosing somewhere "south" of Toronto... er, I think that would put you smack in the middle of Lake Ontario, so I'd rethink that one too!

                      cheers
                      Heather
                      Now there is a woman who knows the city. ROFL.

                      It was exactly Gerard & Dundas St. W not exactly the high life. I was really young so that didn't help either.

                      When I mentioned south of there I was thinking near the border more. I worked for a year in Fort Erie/Buffalo and the surrounding area like Niagara and such are just as beautiful but maybe smaller scale.

                      OTOH, Fort Erie, bless it's little heart has become a hole in my experience--too bad.

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                      • Profile picture of the author Heather Vale
                        Originally Posted by Jason Hodgins View Post

                        Now there is a woman who knows the city. ROFL.

                        It was exactly Gerard & Dundas St. W not exactly the high life. I was really young so that didn't help either.

                        When I mentioned south of there I was thinking near the border more. I worked for a year in Fort Erie/Buffalo and the surrounding area like Niagara and such are just as beautiful but maybe smaller scale.

                        OTOH, Fort Erie, bless it's little heart has become a hole in my experience--too bad.

                        --Jay
                        LOL! Yes, Gerrard and ANYWHERE is not the high life, but still... it's not like there are crimes happening all the time on every corner.

                        Ah... South and ACROSS the lake. OK, you're right -- the Niagara region really is beautiful, even though Niagara Falls the city is a little cheesy.

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                    • Profile picture of the author daelx
                      @ Heather

                      We all know your opinions now. I think you've made your points. I don't know why you keep repeating and responding to people that have a different point of view than you. I'd like to know who made you the authority on this? You don't even live in Canada anymore.

                      As for rain and Vancouver... just keep promoting the fact that it rains here. That's great. We get enough people moving here from Alberta and Ontario as it is.

                      Oh yeah, it sure rains here lots... Oh it's really bad. You never see the sun. Honest. It's terrible... really bad. Rain Rain Rain. Really you should stay away, you wouldn't like it here, it rains all the time. (Just don't check annual rain fall amounts... we need to keep this rain myth going.)
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                      • Profile picture of the author Heather Vale
                        Originally Posted by daelx View Post

                        @ Heather

                        We all know your opinions now. I think you've made your points. I don't know why you keep repeating and responding to people that have a different point of view than you. I'd like to know who made you the authority on this? You don't even live in Canada anymore.

                        As for rain and Vancouver... just keep promoting the fact that it rains here. That's great. We get enough people moving here from Alberta and Ontario as it is.

                        Oh yeah, it sure rains here lots... Oh it's really bad. You never see the sun. Honest. It's terrible... really bad. Rain Rain Rain. Really you should stay away, you wouldn't like it here, it rains all the time. (Just don't check annual rain fall amounts... we need to keep this rain myth going.)
                        Actually, I'm the one saying that there are beautiful and wonderful places ALL OVER Canada... and the point is that the people who are putting out negative opinions about various cities are generally not speaking from experience.

                        Get it?

                        As far as Vancouver, I said it was beautiful too. And like I said, nothing wrong with rain.

                        What makes me an authority is close to 40 years living in the country and traveling all over it... experiencing the beauty and diversity.

                        Not just sitting in one little spot and condemning the rest of the country.

                        Also what makes me an authority is the ability to see things from an objective viewpoint, and not cloud every experience with negativity.

                        So there ya go.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Jamie Iaconis
                        Originally Posted by daelx View Post

                        @ Heather

                        We all know your opinions now. I think you've made your points. I don't know why you keep repeating and responding to people that have a different point of view than you. I'd like to know who made you the authority on this? You don't even live in Canada anymore.

                        As for rain and Vancouver... just keep promoting the fact that it rains here. That's great. We get enough people moving here from Alberta and Ontario as it is.

                        Oh yeah, it sure rains here lots... Oh it's really bad. You never see the sun. Honest. It's terrible... really bad. Rain Rain Rain. Really you should stay away, you wouldn't like it here, it rains all the time. (Just don't check annual rain fall amounts... we need to keep this rain myth going.)

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                        @ Heather

                        I can assure you I've traveled this country from coast to coast. In my previous job I had to visit most parts of Canada on business.

                        I just don't see the world through rose colored glasses.

                        Like I said... we know your point of view... Maybe it's time to take a break. I only posted once and then let other have their say. If you scroll this forum you'll see you're responding to everything. It's just crazy.
                        I AGREE... Heather, relax...

                        Express your opinion and move on!

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                        • Profile picture of the author Heather Vale
                          Originally Posted by Jamie Iaconis View Post

                          I AGREE... Heather, relax...

                          Express your opinion and move on!

                          Jamie
                          LOL... funny how it's the two most negative, opinionated people who can't handle someone shining a little light in their shadows, and pointing out that their viewpoints just might be a little biased, skewed, or unfounded.

                          This is a DISCUSSION forum, so as long as you direct the discussion back to me, I have every right to reply.

                          But otherwise, yes, I've had enough of your bashing.

                          cheers
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                          • Profile picture of the author a04cmccl
                            Hi there. Yeah there's a reasonable amount of work in Toronto. I know because I was born and raised there. However, if you must move to Canada, nothing beats B.C. or Alberta, in my opinion.

                            Oh well, I like it here in Michigan.
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        • Profile picture of the author DavidParton
          Originally Posted by Sylvia Rolfe View Post


          As for Toronto, we thought about moving there. Hubby went over there for a bit, stayed his first night in a hostile, got attacked and almost killed and now I would never in a million years think of moving there.

          Sylvia

          I am sure you meant to write "Hostel" and not "hostile". Isn't it interesting how the subconscious mind works?

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          • Profile picture of the author DavidParton
            Yes we are a polarized bunch here in Canada. What do you expect from a country that has 2 national languages?

            I am appalled by the remarks by all you so-called "canadians"

            In this entire thread I have not found a single reference to hockey.

            SHAME ON YOU!

            As for the question at hand...

            Anybody remember what that is? oh,yeah

            Is Canada A Good Place To Work?

            I know there is a lot of work in Alberta.
            Here in Vancouver we have been suffering from a labour shortage. Every store has a help wanted sign in the window. Tradesmen paint "We're Hiring" on there vehicles.

            You see, the Winter Olympics of 2010 will be held here. There is a dizzying amount of construction involved in the preparation and it has been a blackhole greedily sucking up a large portion of the available workforce.

            Plenty of work here. The taxes do suck compared to the US and the cost of living is very high. But who cares? You're An Internet Marketer! All you need is a laptop, a little wi-fi , a cushy chair and a $9 latte and you can make Starbuck's your head office as you make your Internet millions.

            I guess in T.O it would be a "double-double"

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            • Profile picture of the author vorales
              Thanka lot to all the Warriors for their great Advices and i really appreciate your time.
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              • Profile picture of the author runr01
                I hope what I bring to this thread is a perspective that is of real value to you, Vorales, rising above the "noise" that has grown from your simple question : Is Canada a Good Place to work?

                Oh, what complex answers you've received...

                Since leaving the country of my birth, 10 degrees south of the equator in South America – hot, hot, hot, hot for all four seasons – almost 30 years ago, a straw poll of my family and 45+ relatives scattered throughout Toronto reveal an unparallel passion AND love for Toronto.

                So let me tell you, that whenever I leave Toronto, I can't wait to return home, despite the many exciting and exotic places that momentarily claim my attention.

                Montreal is my second home by default because my father lives there.

                I always enjoy Montreal for it's distinctively French flavors, quirkiness and fine dining. Yes, I've travelled through France to Italy and back up to Switzerland, so am qualified to make the comparison. But, returning home to Toronto is always so exciting and comforting.

                Vancouver, with the proverbial overcast shadows of rain and more rain, the wonderful English Bay, snow covered ski slopes and renowned smoked salmon, I have always found relaxing and rejuvenating . But, returning home to Toronto is always so exciting and comforting.

                Halifax, for the wonderful roadside purchases of delectable smoked herring and cod equal to similar fare up and down the coast of New England, is invigorating for its warmth where ever one goes. (The Cape with it's unique style of coastal architecture has a special place in my heart.) Peggy's Cove places you in a world so close to nature that it seems that you can reach out and touch it and taste it! But, simply put, returning home to Toronto is always so exciting and comforting.

                In spite of the annual treks made to the islands in the Caribbean to soak up the rays, Toronto is always my home AND where I make a comfortable living.

                Yes, Toronto, the multicultural capital of Canada is a burgeoning city, with related trials and tribulations that are not unique to any cosmopolitan city. Flaws and all, Toronto is my home and where I work!

                Chris.W. Sutton is absolutely right. The WF is full of good, positive, optimistic people. And so is Toronto!

                Welcome, Vorales, if and when you move to Toronto to live and work!
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            • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
              Originally Posted by Christopher R Everson View Post

              Most of my canadian friends came to the states to make more money, both job-pay wise, and tax wise.
              That's probably the way most people still think, but the average Canadian family is worth about $20,000 more than the average American family. But don't just take my word for it, here is the link. Special Canada Day Report: How Canada stole the American Dream | Macleans.ca - Canada - Features And here is a quote from the article.

              "The wealth numbers, in particular, are shocking. As of 2005, the median family in Canada was worth US$122,600, according to Statistics Canada, while the U.S. Federal Reserve pegged the median American family at US$93,100 in 2004. Those figures, the most recent available, already include an adjustment for our higher prices, and thanks to the rising loonie Canadians are likely even further ahead today. We're ahead mainly because Americans carry far more debt than we do, and it means that the median Canadian family is a full 30 per cent wealthier than the median American family. "The fact that we're now richer is a big reversal," says Jack Mintz, former president of the C.D. Howe Institute and the current Palmer Chair in public policy at the University of Calgary. "It's a huge change in the way we view the world."

              Originally Posted by DavidParton View Post

              Is Canada A Good Place To Work?

              I know there is a lot of work in Alberta.
              Here in Vancouver we have been suffering from a labour shortage. Every store has a help wanted sign in the window. Tradesmen paint "We're Hiring" on there vehicles.
              The shortage of workers in Alberta is easing off, but it was funny. Every second shop had a help wanted sign not long ago, and the biggest mall in Calgary had a sign by the main entrance "Our merchants accept Visa, MasterCard, and job applications."

              I have lived in a lot of cities in Canada and have enjoyed all of them. I have also traveled extensively and would rate Canada very high in the world. I had the good fortune mostly because of an off line passion to know beautiful people in each of the cities I lived in. You only know about 100 people per city, so I would guess the people who don't like some or all of the cities just didn't know the right people.

              The weather certainly is cold but my favorite speaker mentioned that human beings can get used to almost anything. I have being bicycling to work through the winter for a lot of years up here in Calgary (right next to the Arctic Circle) and it resulted in quite a nice article, see simple sig site.

              I read about one woman who moved from Africa to Winnipeg. She said she had even seen a picture of a frozen river but didn't believe it. She just didn't believe that a whole river could freeze. She does now.

              The cold might take more than just one winter to get used to, and to learn to adapt to but it can be done. It takes both, getting used to, and adapting. Go for cozy and comfortable and if anything is cold, wear something more there, and you will get used to the cold anyway.

              Good luck with all that, and best wishes, lloyd.

              Edit: I have to add, I did a search on the old wf and couldn't find it, but there was a really neat story of someone who moved to Montreal from Nigeria at the age of 17 with $5 and was worth a million by the age of 19. He is really happy about Canada, and he did it honestly. I just found his site http://www.canadian-money-advisor.ca

              It was actually such a nice story, but I don't have time to type out the details. I should add that he did not get rich on line, but through real estate and an understanding of the credit system that he obtained while trying to get a loan to start off in real estate.
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            • Profile picture of the author wordwizard
              I just visited Toronto (last June) and I liked it. Of course it helps to know that I like urban areas. If you don't, you may not like it as much.

              It reminded me a bit of Frankfurt actually. Great restaurants too. Very cosmopolitan. Lots of people out downtown on weekend evenings. Free live concert(s).

              Temperature was quite warm and pleasant. Can't speak for winter, obviously.

              I also visited Calgary, and I definitely preferred Toronto (bigger & more urban and cosmopolitan, plus it was also much cheaper to get to!). Calgary was basically closing down in the evening, at least in the downtown area.

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  • Most of my canadian friends came to the states to make more money, both job-pay wise, and tax wise.
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      Originally Posted by Christopher R Everson View Post

      Most of my canadian friends came to the states to make more money, both job-pay wise, and tax wise.
      Yeah, most of my American friends came to Canada for everything else.
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  • Who is attacking toronto?

    Toronto, at least to new yorkers, is notorious as being a clean, more-fun version of new york city.

    Canadian cities are generally very safe places to be. I watched a documentary on deadly crime rates, and one canadian city had only one murder that year, and it was a guy from the states who crossed over and killed someone.

    Just go visit it! I'd recommend toronto and vancouver, both are beautiful. I liked montreal too, but I didn't feel it lived up to the hype.
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    • Profile picture of the author Heather Vale
      Originally Posted by Christopher R Everson View Post

      Who is attacking toronto?

      Toronto, at least to new yorkers, is notorious as being a clean, more-fun version of new york city.

      Canadian cities are generally very safe places to be. I watched a documentary on deadly crime rates, and one canadian city had only one murder that year, and it was a guy from the states who crossed over and killed someone.

      Just go visit it! I'd recommend toronto and vancouver, both are beautiful. I liked montreal too, but I didn't feel it lived up to the hype.
      Yes, exactly... see, again, it takes an outsider to give an objective view. This is how the WORLD views Toronto, so please, Canadians, lose the negativity around it.

      BTW I didn't move to the US for business opportunities, I moved here for love. And guess what... in my experience so far, most of the stereotypes and preconceived notions we Canadians have about Americans proved not to be true, either.

      But Christopher, a lot of top IMers do still live and work in Canada.

      cheers
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      Originally Posted by Christopher R Everson View Post

      Who is attacking toronto?

      Toronto, at least to new yorkers, is notorious as being a clean, more-fun version of new york city.

      Canadian cities are generally very safe places to be. I watched a documentary on deadly crime rates, and one canadian city had only one murder that year, and it was a guy from the states who crossed over and killed someone.

      Just go visit it! I'd recommend toronto and vancouver, both are beautiful. I liked montreal too, but I didn't feel it lived up to the hype.

      Disagreeable. Yes Toronto is a little more clean than NYC but it has no spirit whatsoever. I'd rather live in a decent part of New York anyday than have to deal with the people here in Toronto. BTW, the documentary you watched was bowling for columbine and the Canadian city you're referring to is Windsor, bordering the lovely Detroit.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ricter
        I am an American citizen, but as I grew up in a military family I was raised all over the world. Then I joined the military and visited more countries. Then I went to university in the U.S., and then lived in Alaska (not in the U.S. ; ) So I've seen quite a few and lived in several countries and feel qualified to say that they all have their high and low points, but Canada is the greatest of them all.

        I should confess that I'm hopelessly in love with the Rocky Mountains, "the marrow of the world."


        PS: Sadly, Canada is full. Do not move here.
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        • Profile picture of the author daelx
          Wow... Heather is just one of those people that just has to have the last word. I've heard about people like this. Thank the Universe I don't know one.

          Discussion boards are for people to state their opinion for the benefit of others... If they don't like a place they have every right to state their opinion. Just like you have the right to state yours. But don't keep getting on your high horse and acting like you're the only one that knows anything. That's how you get flamed.

          No-one likes a know it all... and that's how you're coming across to everyone. Not just the few of us that have spoken up.

          If you're here to learn and help grow your business than I'd suggest you learn to have a thicker skin. Just let things go. It's really not a big deal.

          So, I don't like Alberta. So what... Can't I say I don't like Alberta? You bet I can. I will continue to do so... and people can take my opinion and then form their own opinion. We don't need someone annoyingly speaking up and addressing everyone's point of view.

          Some responded to me saying they think Alberta is great. Did I respond back to them? Nope... they just stated their opinion. That's the way this is suppose to work.

          What you've accomplished here today is to make people not enjoy your company. I for one will now try and avoid dealing with you... because I really don't have time for this. I do keep coming back to this thread, because I like to see what others think. No what one person thinks... what multiple people think. Make your statement and then listen.
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  • Profile picture of the author daelx
    @ Heather

    I can assure you I've traveled this country from coast to coast. In my previous job I had to visit most parts of Canada on business.

    I just don't see the world through rose colored glasses.

    Like I said... we know your point of view... Maybe it's time to take a break. I only posted once and then let other have their say. If you scroll this forum you'll see you're responding to everything. It's just crazy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Heather Vale
      Originally Posted by daelx View Post

      @ Heather

      I can assure you I've traveled this country from coast to coast. In my previous job I had to visit most parts of Canada on business.

      I just don't see the world through rose colored glasses.

      Like I said... we know your point of view... Maybe it's time to take a break. I only posted once and then let other have their say. If you scroll this forum you'll see you're responding to everything. It's just crazy.
      Nope, not everything... just people responding to ME (like you) and people who are giving the OP a biased or skewed vision of what Canada is like, contrary to his original question.

      And I don't see the world through rose-colored glasses either, as you'll notice, if you've actually read what I wrote.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Canadians should tour their own country more... So many negative comments while probably most have just seen Canada from an airplane on their way to Toronto from Vancouver...

    I have lived in every province this great country has to offer including the N.W.T. (Now that's cold)...

    Anyway, this is a great country and I served "her" for 10 years and really get annoyed when people start criticizing it without justification.

    Like the song goes "You don't know what you have until it's gone!" I've traveled the world and can tell you that Canada is much cleaner, much friendlier people (especially Manitoba) and actually has a very smart population.

    I think people should show more pride of were they come from instead of taking it for granted.

    And hey if you're going to put "her" down at least have the balls to serve "her" first!

    Mike Hill
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Hodgins
      Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

      Canadians should tour their own country more... So many negative comments while probably most have just seen Canada from an airplane on their way to Toronto from Vancouver...

      I have lived in every province this great country has to offer including the N.W.T. (Now that's cold)...

      Anyway, this is a great country and I served "her" for 10 years and really get annoyed when people start criticizing it without justification.

      Like the song goes "You don't know what you have until it's gone!" I've traveled the world and can tell you that Canada is much cleaner, much friendlier people (especially Manitoba) and actually has a very smart population.

      I think people should show more pride of were they come from instead of taking it for granted.

      And hey if you're going to put "her" down at least have the balls to serve "her" first!

      Mike Hill
      Now this is an unintentional rubberneck thread for me...I keep on coming back. :rolleyes:

      Anyway, I had to reply here to this one.

      I totally agree with you and share your pride as I served for a short time (3 years) myself.

      I didn't know that about you Mike, but congrats on doing our country proud for as long as you did. I would have also, but was in the most injury prone trade, hence my short tenure.

      So I just wanted to thank you for posting this viewpoint, hopefully it stalls the HUGE & sometimes negative sidetrack this thread seemed to take.

      Peace,

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      • Profile picture of the author DavidParton
        Originally Posted by Jason Hodgins View Post

        Now this is an unintentional rubberneck thread for me...I keep on coming back. :rolleyes:

        Anyway, I had to reply here to this one.

        I totally agree with you and share your pride as I served for a short time (3 years) myself.

        I didn't know that about you Mike, but congrats on doing our country proud for as long as you did. I would have also, but was in the most injury prone trade, hence my short tenure.

        So I just wanted to thank you for posting this viewpoint, hopefully it stalls the HUGE & sometimes negative sidetrack this thread seemed to take.

        Peace,

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        My respect to you,gentlemen

        It seems to me that is the definitive way to really understand what the real Canada is like.
        travelling the country, living at different bases,see how the rest of the world views Canada, and working together in a team environment with people from every region of Canada.

        Just one civilian's opinion

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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
        Originally Posted by Jason Hodgins View Post

        Now this is an unintentional rubberneck thread for me...I keep on coming back. :rolleyes:

        Anyway, I had to reply here to this one.

        I totally agree with you and share your pride as I served for a short time (3 years) myself.

        I didn't know that about you Mike, but congrats on doing our country proud for as long as you did. I would have also, but was in the most injury prone trade, hence my short tenure.

        So I just wanted to thank you for posting this viewpoint, hopefully it stalls the HUGE & sometimes negative sidetrack this thread seemed to take.

        Peace,

        --Jason

        Jason,

        I was with the 2nd PPCLI .Well I actually started in the 3rd PPCLI in Victoria but they closed the base in 1993 and from there I was shipped to Winnipeg.

        Went to America quite a bit to train in Louisiana, and South Carolina. Saw Europe a few times among other places...

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      • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
        I find it extremely amusing to read the posts that knock Heather for her viewpoint. Who cares if she posts a bunch of times? Who cares if she expresses her opinion?

        I find her to be very articulate and a very good writer. I find her positive attitude very refreshing.

        What I don't find very refreshing are the people who are constantly negative. What is up with you people, anyway? Why do you have to come in this forum to spew your negativity?

        The WF is full of good, positive, optimistic people and I am thankful for that. There are a ton of good people here and they make this a great place. Heather is just one of them. Kudos to all of you!

        As for the naysayers and negative people... well, just try not to bring everyone else down with you!
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        • Profile picture of the author vorales
          Originally Posted by Chris W. Sutton View Post


          What I don't find very refreshing are the people who are constantly negative. What is up with you people, anyway? Why do you have to come in this forum to spew your negativity?

          The WF is full of good, positive, optimistic people and I am thankful for that. There are a ton of good people here and they make this a great place. Heather is just one of them. Kudos to all of you!

          As for the naysayers and negative people... well, just try not to bring everyone else down with you!
          I Agree with what you say Chris, Good Thinking.
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          • Profile picture of the author Marie Pugh
            First, I want to say thanks to Mike & Jason - you both are just one of the reasons I am proud to be Canadian.

            Second - I wasn't even going to post when this first came out, because I live right smack in the middle of the prairies. Yep - I live just outside of Winnipeg, and I have been there to Portage and Main right in the middle of winter and made it out alive

            My husband emigrated from England in 1999 - and he always says that we don't appreciate what we have. For him, to be able to drive and see for miles is unbelievable to him. Or, to not have to fight with traffic. As for the winters - he says that he prefers the winters here because at least there is sun shining and everything is beautiful.

            So - I guess everyone has their own sense of pride for where they live - but all in all, Canada is one of the best places anyone could live. We aren't all hating the other provinces or cities.

            And Heather - Chris is right! Don't worry about what any of the others say! I am glad that you are still proud of where you came from.

            To the OP - Maybe I am biased, but I think that anywhere you could live in Canada would be great!

            Marie

            PS I am off now to get the snow boots out - forecast says snow for tomorrow!! Yipeee!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author 2bwealthy
    I have lived in Toronto for 33 years and still feel safe here. I have not seen 1 person shot, stabbed, asualted, robbed etc. I have spent of those 33 years in the 2nd worst part of TO as well. Jan to March are cold, April -May is ok , rainy though, June to Sept is nice, oct to nov is cooler, Dec is all over the Map.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Lundergan
      As a very well traveled American (6 continents and somewhere around 50 countries) who has met several other affluent travelers, when the topic of Canada comes up, Vancouver and Toronto are definitely the winners in places to go and see.

      As a west coast guy, I think I would prefer Vancouver to Toronto.

      From a global perspective to my friends in the UK and Europe, they always bring up how they would love to go to Whistler.

      Having said that, I really enjoyed Montreal, Quebec City and Halifax. I have friends that live in both and got the "local canadian tour" from each of them, which was great (and yes, I've heard the Quebec spats from Canadian friends!).

      I have to ask you though, aren't there better alternatives than Tim Horton's? I remember several other coffee ships (especially in Montreal) that blew Tim Horton's out of the water.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexKaplo
    I really love Toronto it's a beautiful city! BUT I love my city more ...

    ...but seriously man in every "big" city there's a good amount of people in every single market... so I don't think your going to have a problem there. Good luck and all the best!


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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Allen
    I grew up in Vancouver. Of course I'm biased, but it's an amazing city, especially in the months of July, August and September. I've lived in Toronto for 6 years. Of course there are amazing areas including Rosedale, Yorkville and Forest Hills to name a few. Just stay away from areas like Jane and Finch and Regent Park.

    Right now I'm in Halifax after driving from Toronto. I stopped in Quebec City and had a blast. Although most people didn't speak English, when I was at a bar, I just pointed to the bottle of Stella and they knew what I wanted! Kind of like "caveman" talk. Ugh! Beer! Uh...

    People were great everywhere. Even in Manhattan NY where I lived for over six months. I think my point is that no matter where you go -- there you are! I'm kind of kidding. But you can either fear something and expect something because you maybe had pre-conceived ideas or you can just go and have a great time. It's up to you.

    By the way, I use to live in Ashland OR for a year and a half.
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  • Profile picture of the author TorontoCarol
    Since I'm pushing 60 years old and was born and raised in downtown Toronto, I suppose I should say something. Until I read some of the other posts, I never realized Torontonians considered themselves anything special. Sure we love our city, but so do people in many cities in the world.

    As for crime here, it all depends on your perspective. When my sister-in-law from North Bay (4 hours north of Toronto) comes to visit - she is afraid to walk outside in the dark in case she gets mugged. When I go to visit her, I'm afraid to walk outside in the dark in case I meet up with a bear. Personally, I'd take a mugger over a bear any day.

    Whether to live downtown or not, it partly depends on your age. When I was young I loved downtown - the activity, the people, the noise. Now I'm older I prefer the suburbs because of the lack of those very things.

    As for jobs, they exist, but may take some time to get a good one. Especially if you are a professional and want to get into your field. If you work for yourself though, it doesn't really matter.

    The change in culture is the hardest for many people. Philipino friends of mine were surprised by the fast pace of life here. In fact, when I was working downtown, I had to travel by subway and was in a leg cast for a few months. I was terrified that the masses of people running down the escalator to get from one subway train to another would end up knocking me over and trampling me.

    The only thing I have never been able to get used to in downtown Toronto is the homeless people on so many of the street corners. It broke my heart to pass them every day, although that cast hardened me up a bit. I started thinking "if I can go to work with this cast on my leg, maybe you could try to get a job". Although I know from working with some of them, that many have mental problems that prevent their getting work.

    Bottom line: Canada is a good place to live and to work, but sometimes it's best to spend some time here first before you make a final decision. Otherwise, cutting all your ties and moving here might be something you later regret.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Iser
    Toronto rules.

    I convinced Andrew Hansen to move here.

    Now he rules.

    And tons of job opps and shit here.



    Originally Posted by vorales View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    Well i would like to know whether Canada is a good place to work.

    Specially the city of Toronto?How is it for working point of view?

    How internet marketing taking place in Toronto?

    Does a lot of people from Toronto work online?


    I had been to Toronto last year it was freezing cold and the temp was -12 degree with wind chill almost -15 to -20.wow freezing cold but in Malaysia v r on equator so all the while its summers here.

    Any one from DownTown Toronto explain about the living?

    Yonge and Bloor, Yonge and Dundas are good intersection i had visited.

    How people work in snow?

    True advice would be highly Appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author JonMills
    Originally Posted by vorales View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    Well i would like to know whether Canada is a good place to work.

    Specially the city of Toronto?How is it for working point of view?

    How internet marketing taking place in Toronto?

    Does a lot of people from Toronto work online?


    I had been to Toronto last year it was freezing cold and the temp was -12 degree with wind chill almost -15 to -20.wow freezing cold but in Malaysia v r on equator so all the while its summers here.

    Any one from DownTown Toronto explain about the living?

    Yonge and Bloor, Yonge and Dundas are good intersection i had visited.

    How people work in snow?

    True advice would be highly Appreciated.

    It is cold, im an hour and half from Toronto and only commute from my bedroom to my downstairs office, which im glad. But i used to have to go out in the snow.. to get to work

    highly recommend good snow tires

    Canada is a great place to live.. but damn the winters are cold here in ontario
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    • Profile picture of the author catcat
      Wow! Talk about opening a can of worms!

      Canada is a great country.

      This is the perfect place to be, if you can stand the winters. I can't.

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      • Profile picture of the author vorales
        Hello Warriors,

        Well i am really thankful to all the warriors for their advices besides there were some tough arguments on GTA as a not favourites to some and Alberta as not favourite to some.

        Nevertheless i would say as i have visited Canada couple of time its a Great Place to Be.

        I have been to CN Tower, Casa Loma, Royal Ontario Muzium, Toronto Zoo, Ontario Science Center, China Town etc.but unaware about the the way life goes and the people.

        I Give my special thanks to the Arcana Media,Heather.

        Thanks Daelx.You really hate Alberta.Why?Any particular reason?

        Thanks Kiev but i don't agree with you as for the food i guess i paid more than Toronto.

        Thanks Tim for the beautiful pics.

        Thanks Rich, Jason, Alice Scott, Christopher,David, Mike, Alex, Dave.

        Thanks Toronto Carol for the best advice.
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    I've always wanted to live in Vancouver where the weather is a lot milder.
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  • Profile picture of the author JMLebeau
    Hey there,

    As many other Canadians here, I had to post in this thread

    I'm from Quebec City, Canada and if you're looking to get a job here, I don't think it's going to be really hard. As an english speaking person, it might be easier for you to acclimate yourself in Montreal then you definitely should learn a little bit of french and then come over to Quebec City There is a real need for IT workers everywhere in the province.

    However, I visited a lot of canadiens cities, Toronto is a great place as Ottawa is. My friends went to work in Alberta and BC and they really enjoyed it.

    Be ready to enjoy Hockey (the only team you should look at is the MTL Canadiens ), cold weather during the winter and great (to me ) weather during the summer. If you have any questions, don't hesitate!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Canyon
    Hey,

    Who cares about Toronto (I live a few miles north), just check out all the
    awesome Warriors posting on this thread either Canadian or ex-patriots.

    This is the biggest country in the world with only 35 million people living
    here... you want space man... Canada's the place...

    I was born on Vancouver Island, have lived all over the world and all over
    this country too and I agree with Chris Rempel (surfrider) if you think its
    cold here, you've got to visit Portage and Main in Downtown Winnipeg in
    mid-January to give yourself a check up from the neck up.

    Travelled extensively in Malaysia too...

    Lets see. How should I compare the two... you can't... there the exact
    same... dam beautiful people everywhere...

    Get your but over here now... we could use another warm-blooded body
    to generate some heat in this place...

    PM some of the Warriors on this thread and we'll hook up for drinks when you
    get here or as I'm sure you'll find out we are all daily addicts to the Tim
    Horton's coffee house.

    See you soon,

    Cheers,

    Rob
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  • Profile picture of the author danaprince
    I was born and raised in Toronto and moved outside of it when I became a parent and wanted a quiet place to raise my kids. I've lived in nice areas and lived in rough parts of town as well. Should you move to T.O? It all depends on what kind of lifestyle you want. I love visiting a few times a year for shopping, restaurants, reminiscing and culture but love the country life 360 days of the year where it's friendly and quiet and just outside a small town 2 hours away where our backyard is a pretty lake. Toronto has a higher cost of living than many other Canadian cities but it does have lots of opportunity. As an internet marketer it's great that you can work from anywhere. We have winter but other than 3-4 months of brittle cold each year we have it pretty good up here.



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    • Profile picture of the author ildarius
      May be you have alrady replied, but I dont understand why you would move to T.O to do internet marketing.

      If I was living in a different country I could afford to quit work TODAY and live off the net revenue, in Canada it's a different story, I still have to work fulltime.

      Toronto is a nice city though, Montreal's weather is pretty harsh, may be I'll move to Malaysia =)
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      • Profile picture of the author sylviad
        Wow! I can't believe how many Warriors live in the West half of the country.

        Although not born in Canada, I have lived here for 57 years - most of those in and around Toronto. I worked in the City most of the time. My home was north of Highway 401 (about 25 minutes to town by public transit), but I loved the city so much that on Friday nights after hauling myself home from King and University or Queen and Spadina, I'd eat dinner and head straight back down to Yonge and Dundas to enjoy the nightlife.

        Toronto is an exciting city that never sleeps. In my experience, and there were many, the people are friendly and approachable.

        I've seen a lot of changes over the years, however. Until recently when guns or riots became news, I never feared walking in the city. Now, I'm a bit more cautious but still not paralyzed at the idea of going downtown. I love the city too much to be scared off by a few violent acts that, in most cases, involved people who knew one another.

        The cultural diversity is immense in Toronto. You are sure to meet other Malaysians downtown.

        It's not necesssary to live in the city, though. The transportation system is great. You can live in the suburbs and commute by bus, subway and streetcar to any part of the city. Or from farther afield, you can take the GO Bus and Train services that come in from places like Hamilton in the west and Oshawa in the east and from north of the city.

        Downtown Toronto is expensive. You would be better off living on the outskirts where rents are lower.

        Driving into the city is a challenge as the traffic now is horrendous. On bad weather days, it took me 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 hours to travel my usual 35 minute route by car down the freeway to work.

        As far as jobs go, I have to ask as others have: Why do you need a job if you're planning on internet marketing? To ensure you have an income until you get established?

        It's been awhile since I worked downtown so all I can say is that in my experience there are always jobs but it depends on your skills. Retail outlets often seem to need staff - to serve fast food, stock shelves, that kind of thing, but those jobs don't pay much - just minimum wage. But if you're planning to do IM anyway, and if you are already making a bit online, this might be enough in the short term.

        If you have higher level skills, you might find jobs but they will be less common. My friend who works in a grocery chain says the turnover is huge. Students don't want to work but they want the money, so they move on quickly. The stores would appreciate hard workers they can trust.

        Toronto holds lots of opportunity. It has some excellent schools and courses you can take in your own home. I don't know if it's still true, but the dept. of education used to offer free correspondence courses to people wanting to get their Grade 12. You can take short night courses for specific subjects at any local high school or college - and the fees are not bad in most cases.

        If you have friends or family you can stay with for awhile, that would be a good way to get your bearings. You can take time to check out different areas in and around the city, the transportation routes, job opportunities and accommodations before making a decision.

        And the weather... while it might get cold in Toronto, it probably doesn't get quite as bad as other places in Canada because the concrete and buildings help to trap heat that builds up in the day. That's why it gets so hot in summer - hot and humid. And it's true, the snow doesn't stay around long in the city. For one thing, the crews clean it away quickly. They have to, there's no where to pile it. They used to dump it into the lake.

        Did I miss anything?

        Oh, someone said that the city is like a magnet to those of us who like it.

        I moved out to the Kingston area, about 350 km east of Toronto, where I lived for about 12 years. Now THAT was cold! I did enjoy it though, because the people were friendly-er - than Toronto, especially in the small towns outside Kingston. Farm country, with farm folk who know how to have fun. The country in Canada is fantastic! From the farms, to the great rivers like the St. Lawrence, to the Rockies, to the waterfalls, beaches and spectacular scenery.

        I've travelled from one end to the other and enjoyed it all. But when I lived in Kingston, after 12 years I began to feel something was missing - the hustle and bustle of Toronto. After returning and spending another 4 years in a small town that is now more like another suburb, I miss the country and the wonderful people I met back east.

        If you choose Canada, you will have all this and more to enjoy.

        And no, we don't all live in igloos or ride around on dog sleds, and our colorful money is not Monopoly money - despite what the Americans think.

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  • Profile picture of the author coolWebsites
    Where are you moving from?

    Toronto is fairly cold in the winter, decent/warm in the summer. Its very 'metropolitan', so you can pretty much do whatever you want whenever. Yonge Street is downtown, downtown is nice, right by the main subway station. The TTC (transit system) is pretty good if you want that, traffic gets pretty busy. What else do you want to know?
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  • Profile picture of the author cgj1981
    I agree with everyone in here who has said;

    - toronto can be cold for many months of the year
    - you can do IM from anywhere really
    - you don't need to move there for any other reason that your own desire to be there

    However broadening your horizons and living in different parts of the world can be the best thing you can do for yourself and your business as you get an even greater understanding into your potential audience and customers. Thus better understand their needs so you can provide a better service.
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  • Profile picture of the author sandy
    I live in the Niagara Penninsula where I have the many opportunities. I live in the country and have deer in my backyard but I am within 15 minutes of a city of 75,000 people. I can be in downtown Toronto in and hour and a half. Or I can visit the United States in a few minutes.
    That is what is best about most of Canada, the wide range of experiences available -cultural, ethnic, entertainment. Or if you prefer peace and quiet that is easily arranged too.

    Cathy
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