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Are chargebacks really a problem for merchants? Heard that some people use it as a way of doing some kind of online shoplifting. This problem is limited only to bad merchants - right? Those who sell bad products or don't respond to the customers whenever the products have issues?
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  • Profile picture of the author James McAllister
    It doesn't matter how great your product is, you're still going to get people doing it - often for the most ridiculous reasons.

    Consider it a cost of doing business and move on. If it's bad, ban the person from buying any of your proudcts.
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  • Profile picture of the author superowid
    Refund guarantee is not mandatory. You don't have to offer it in your sales letter.
    It's not a big problem if you offer it and can deliver your promise to refund it when the buyer asks it.
    The problem is if you don't deliver your guarantee.
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  • Profile picture of the author stackman
    Chargebacks are not a problem if you don't oversell or misrepresent the product or service you're selling. Sure, there are some people who will attempt to scam you but in my experience it doesn't happen very often. Of course, this can depend on the type of product and price. If you sell a product for $99 that promises to make the buyer a millionaire in a week, you WILL get chargebacks.
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  • Profile picture of the author hometutor
    Originally Posted by dgmufasa View Post

    Are chargebacks really a problem for merchants? Heard that some people use it as a way of doing some kind of online shoplifting. This problem is limited only to bad merchants - right? Those who sell bad products or don't respond to the customers whenever the products have issues?
    Clickbank is absolutely notorious for allowing refunds if the customer even sneezes the wrong way. My opinion is this enables theft. If you're worried about chargebacks I'd stay away from Clickbank.

    Rick
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Some markets are more prone to this "digital shoplifting" (I like that.) IM/MMO is one of those markets. In addition to the pathological crooks who steal because they can, you also have large numbers of broke, desperate people looking for the gate to the rainbows and unicorns IM Valhalla.

      Like the young mother caught shoplifting baby formula, desperation can make them do things they would not ordinarily do.

      Couple that with the image most gooroos try to project with their photos of four digit escorts, six digit sports cars and eight figure mansions, and you have a recipe where people figure they need the money more than you do and you'll never miss it.
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  • Profile picture of the author yakim1
    Chargebacks are not only bad but can become costly. Chargebacks can come with penalties so you don't only lose the amount of the sale but may have to pay more for the penalties.

    Many times customers feel abandoned and don't know where to turn to get answers so they resort to the chargeback.

    Use the chance of a refund as a positive and place a good money back guaranty and honor that guaranty. Make it easy for customers to contact you because it could be they don't understand something and then think your product does not work for them.

    Be prepared to answer their questions. Follow up with your customers in emails asking how they are doing with your product and offer free bonuses that help them make your product work better. Let your customers know that have not abandoned them and are continuing to offer help.

    This can be as simple as autoresponder follow up messages.

    Don't worry about refunds because they do happen and it is a good way to get refunders out of your system so you can concentrate of the serious people who really want your products.

    It is when a refund escalates to a dispute or chargeback that can really cause you a problem.

    Best regards,
    Steve Yakim
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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      Originally Posted by hometutor View Post

      Clickbank is absolutely notorious for allowing refunds if the customer even sneezes the wrong way. My opinion is this enables theft. If you're worried about chargebacks I'd stay away from Clickbank.
      It's the opposite. ClickBank's refund policy reduces the risk of chargebacks.

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      • Profile picture of the author yakim1
        Originally Posted by Harvey Segal View Post

        It's the opposite. ClickBank's refund policy reduces the risk of chargebacks.

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        This is correct except PayPal has a lot fewer refunds than ClickBank. It is almost a 10 to 100 ratio out of 100 sales with ClickBank having 10 or more refunds. PayPal may only produce 1 refund with the same product out of 100 sales.

        Giving access to you when you make a sale and handling refunds in a timely manner can also reduce chargebacks. You don't need ClickBank to reduce chargebacks.

        Best regards,
        Steve Yakim
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      • Profile picture of the author hometutor
        Originally Posted by Harvey Segal View Post

        It's the opposite. ClickBank's refund policy reduces the risk of chargebacks.

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        Have you ever seen them side with the vendor? I have not.

        Rick
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        • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
          Originally Posted by hometutor View Post

          Have you ever seen them side with the vendor? I have not.
          That's not the point.

          If a customer can easily obtain a refund he won't request a chargeback

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  • Profile picture of the author dgmufasa
    Thanks for all of the responses


    I did a Google search on "chargebacks" and this is what I had found:


    https://www.google.com/#q=chargebacks


    I thought to make a solution to the problem but was could not tell if it was an actual issue altogether or an imagined one.
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  • Profile picture of the author gdi4life
    Originally Posted by dgmufasa View Post

    Are chargebacks really a problem for merchants? Heard that some people use it as a way of doing some kind of online shoplifting. This problem is limited only to bad merchants - right? Those who sell bad products or don't respond to the customers whenever the products have issues?
    Yes, chargebacks are of very high concern for online merchants. Anything over a 3-4% chargeback rate for merchants will usually put their account at risk, from what I've gathered in the IM field over the last few years.

    Merchants can avoid thses problems for the most part by offering quality products or services, providing prompt and efficiant tech support, etc.

    It's simply a matter of risk versus reward for merchant account providers. They really want to collect the fees on the transactions that go through, but even they have to answer to the big credit card company's like Mastercard and Visa.
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  • Profile picture of the author 247acheiver
    If you are dropped from a traditional payment processor, all is not lost and there are other options out there. Options that are usually based oversees in places like thre UK and Hong Kong for example. These alternative payment processing company's that specialize in high risk clients almost always charge super high fees so watch out! Online casinos, sketchy IM products/services are some of the niches that usually turn to this genre of merchant providers.
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  • Profile picture of the author PaymentMaven
    Yes, your merchant account can be shutdown if you have high % of chargebacks.
    For regular merchants, VISA has a rule-of-thumb of 1% chargebacks.
    For high risk accounts like digital products, you probably have to go with a provider that understands high risk ecommerce. You will pay a higher rate per transaction when your chargebacks are high, but at least your account won't be shut down. Also, you can get multiple merchant accounts and use a gateway to alternate transactions between merchant accounts to lower the risk.

    Paul in Los Angeles
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