How to hire article writers?

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Hey there guys, i am used to writing my articles that i submit to directories. But i have come to the point that i want to buy articles. How do i explain to them what i want? Like keyword density and the style of writing i need. I tried usng one of the wso article writers here and provide a keyword. The stuff they sent back to me was rubbish.

Please help!
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    The easiest way to get a certain density is to tell them how long to make each article, and therefore they need to use your keyword exactly X number of times. So if it's 500 words and you want 1% density, your keyword needs to be in there 5 times. Anyone smart enough to write articles that are legible should be able to wrap their heads around simple math.

    Style is a tougher nut to crack. About all you can do is get some samples from them across a range of topics. If what they've written before is in the style (or close enough), you can simply tell them you want your articles written in the style they used in that previous article that you liked.

    I'd also recommend hiring someone who will agree to at least one re-write if you are not satisfied. You might pay more per article, but it gives you recourse if you're not happy.

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author geoffcruz
    Thanks Zeus, i dont know if you outsource your writing, but do you have any suggestions?
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  • Profile picture of the author Debbie Allen
    I completely agree with Zeus66 - the more specific you can be with your instructions and desires, the more likely it is that the article will be what you want. Most writers are willing to make revisions at least one time in order to create an article that meets a client's needs.

    Talk with the writer ahead of time. If you prefer a professional approach to the writing - tell them so. The same is true if you want the article to have a friendly style. Try to give details about what you want regarding content as well as how the article is written.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Hi Geoff,

    You might try looking through the Warriors For Hire section here at WF and PM or email some of those offering their writing services. Explain in detail what you need and see if anyone with samples you like replies. I bet you'll get lots of takers, which means you can pick and choose.

    I would avoid Elance and those kinds of sites, though. You'll get a lot of crappy rehashed and flat-out stolen content.

    A lot depends on how much you can pay per article. It's not exactly always true, but in the main, you get what you pay for when it comes to article writers.

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author geoffcruz
    So if i will hire someone to write for me 50 articles i need to explain everything i want in those 50 articles individually?
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  • Profile picture of the author Debbie Allen
    I'm a writer - no, you do not have to detail each individual article. Just insure that the writer understands what you want pertaining to one or two, then you can say you would like all 50 articles to be written in the same style.

    If you are interested in my writing services please send a PM.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andrew G Gowans
      I agree with Debbie. Good writers will quickly understand what you are looking for. However, the more specific you wish to be, as Zeus66 suggests, the sooner you and your writer will come to an understanding from which you can build your relationship.

      I have a number of clients who simply supply me with the key phrases with which to write the articles optimized around those key phrases.

      Any time the requirement is unclear, the better writers will clarify until they are ready to ensure you get the qulity you deserve and pay for.

      Always check or ask for samples of previous work to ensure you are happy with both the quality and the style of writing.

      As with Debbie, you can pm me to discuss your needs further or check out my entry on the Warrior For Hire section.

      Andrew G.
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      • Profile picture of the author gannaaz334
        I Completely agree with you
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  • Profile picture of the author BigRedNotebook
    Don't overthink it, Geoff. Let the writer know what you want and see what he or she produces. Start small to minimize your exposure, provide feedback if things were good but not "perfect" and build a good rapport.

    Feel free to drop me a line. I might be able to help you out. If we're not an ideal match for another I can undoubtedly refer you to someone who is.

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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hancox
    Originally Posted by geoffcruz View Post

    Hey there guys, i am used to writing my articles that i submit to directories. But i have come to the point that i want to buy articles. How do i explain to them what i want? Like keyword density and the style of writing i need. I tried usng one of the wso article writers here and provide a keyword. The stuff they sent back to me was rubbish.
    A good writer will write in whatever style you want them to write. Just give them some previous articles - or point them to your blog - to give them an indication of the style.

    Also, I would strongly urge you to remember that the price you offer the writer will, to a great extent, reflect on the quality you get back.

    Good quality will pay you back many times, in the long run. You'll be seen as the expert, the writer will know how to get the visitors to take action and click on YOUR links, and you can re-use the material on your blog and in other ways.

    I don't do writing for other people at the moment. If I did, I'd want no less than $10-$15 an article (probably quite a bit more)... BUT in return, I'd make sure that every article was exactly what you wanted and a whole lot more... each article would have your readers salivating for more

    Assuming you'd targeted your keywords properly, I'd make sure those articles would be traffic beacons, pulling in traffic, subscribers and eventually sales for you on a daily basis. So $10 an article would be peanuts compared to the returns you'd get over the long run.

    What would being seen as a source of authority mean to you, in terms of traffic, subscribers and sales? How much would that be worth to you?

    What I'm saying is... offer decent money per article, and you'll get good writers FLOCKING to your door. But don't skimp on what you pay them, because they will skimp back, if you know what I mean.

    Yes, I know you can get articles written cheaper than that... but you already have an idea of what that will get you.

    I will tell you now, several good quality writers have already posted in your thread. Pay them well, and you'll be richly rewarded in return.

    Pay them peanuts, and... well, you know

    Let me give you an example of what you can do with good quality writing. The blog Copyblogger has been around for 3 1/2 years (or about 182 weeks), and now has 60,000 subscribers. If he posted 3 articles a week, that's 546 articles.

    At $10 an article, in theory it could cost just $5,460 to create a blog with the same authority as Copyblogger, over that same period.

    Now, what do you think that blog is worth? I don't know, but I'm willing to bet he could easily sell it for $100,000 or much, much more. I know many copywriters who would jump at the chance to buy it for that low a price.

    High quality content is worth a LOT to you. Don't skimp on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Carrie12
    There is a place called getafreelancer dot com....here you can find people who are doing these jobs by placing project.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    If you spell it out pretty clearly then you have a right to expect a well written article that has been submitted per your specs.
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  • Profile picture of the author catherine ford
    Try getting them to down load
    e3 kwd check free analysis tool
    get it at
    e3internet.com/keyword-analysis-tool/
    I am sorry I cannot post the link because I am new to the forum. You open a text doc and it tells you the keyword density of your writing. As a freelance writer I enclose it to all my new clioents so that they can't argue that I have done their keyword density as asked.

    Also state that you will not pay unless the work passes the dup content test, I put it on a blog and then run the html page through copyscape and then I sned that to my clients.
    There are two sides to the writers' issues I know many people knock freelance writers but they are not all bad. Trouble is the good onescan pick and choosev what they want to do and are booked up loads in advance
    Hope this helps Catherine
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    • Profile picture of the author SMS
      Mr Hancox said all that needs to be said.

      There are lots of excellent writers on this forum, but you will find that they don't work for peanuts. Many of them are also choked up with work, and you might have to join a long waiting list.

      Being rather new myself to the game myself, I don't have quite such a long list... yet, but I'm definitely getting there.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by geoffcruz View Post

    I tried usng one of the wso article writers here and provide a keyword. The stuff they sent back to me was rubbish.
    Unfortunately, most article writers are monkeys.

    It's true. You should see them. All lined up in a cage with laptops.

    And since a good number of internet marketers are monkeys, too, there can be this big money shuffle where the monkeys write articles and pass them around and throw money.

    Now, here's the secret of finding a good article writer.

    Ask a question!

    The first time you contact an article writer, ask them a question they can't answer quickly. You might say:

    "Article writers use different methods to calculate keyword density. Which method do you use, and why?"

    Or you might say:

    "Writers are best at writing for niches they're passionate about. What subjects are you really passionate writing about?"

    Do you know why most people in school hated essay questions?

    Because most people aren't writers.

    Writers loved essay questions! Especially in English class!

    So you might get an answer back that looks like this.

    "i use a keyword tool on the web i just paste the article and it tells me kw desnity"

    WTF, there's no punctuation and not a single capital letter and he can't even spell "density!" Don't hire that guy!

    But if you get an answer like this:

    "I have too many passions to count! I love reading (obviously), playing the guitar, and stock car racing. Yeah, I know, the stock car racing is weird... but it's really awesome!"

    Chances are it goes on for a page and a half. It may as well be a free sample.

    Do you really need me to say it? Hire this one! He knows what he's doing and he does it well!

    All it takes is one simple PM or email. If a person cannot write a simple email, he cannot write an article. I know people will say things like "i dont put so much effort into an email or pm as i do in an article," and if you want to believe those people and hire them... well, you'll get over it. No, they do not put more time and effort into your article.

    Writers take pride in their work. They have a love of the English language. It actually bothers them if they don't spell and punctuate and capitalise 100% correctly. It bothers me every time I have to write in U.S. English and say "capitalize," even though I know it's "correct" for that culture.

    You're probably wondering why I write in U.K. English even though I spent all of three months in England and Ireland. But if you want the answer, you'll have to ask the question.
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    • Profile picture of the author D.K. Magnus
      Well said.

      I rewrite the emails I send to my customers, almost as many times as I rewrite their articles.

      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Unfortunately, most article writers are monkeys.

      It's true. You should see them. All lined up in a cage with laptops.

      And since a good number of internet marketers are monkeys, too, there can be this big money shuffle where the monkeys write articles and pass them around and throw money.

      Now, here's the secret of finding a good article writer.

      Ask a question!

      The first time you contact an article writer, ask them a question they can't answer quickly. You might say:

      "Article writers use different methods to calculate keyword density. Which method do you use, and why?"

      Or you might say:

      "Writers are best at writing for niches they're passionate about. What subjects are you really passionate writing about?"

      Do you know why most people in school hated essay questions?

      Because most people aren't writers.

      Writers loved essay questions! Especially in English class!

      So you might get an answer back that looks like this.

      "i use a keyword tool on the web i just paste the article and it tells me kw desnity"

      WTF, there's no punctuation and not a single capital letter and he can't even spell "density!" Don't hire that guy!

      But if you get an answer like this:

      "I have too many passions to count! I love reading (obviously), playing the guitar, and stock car racing. Yeah, I know, the stock car racing is weird... but it's really awesome!"

      Chances are it goes on for a page and a half. It may as well be a free sample.

      Do you really need me to say it? Hire this one! He knows what he's doing and he does it well!

      All it takes is one simple PM or email. If a person cannot write a simple email, he cannot write an article. I know people will say things like "i dont put so much effort into an email or pm as i do in an article," and if you want to believe those people and hire them... well, you'll get over it. No, they do not put more time and effort into your article.

      Writers take pride in their work. They have a love of the English language. It actually bothers them if they don't spell and punctuate and capitalise 100% correctly. It bothers me every time I have to write in U.S. English and say "capitalize," even though I know it's "correct" for that culture.

      You're probably wondering why I write in U.K. English even though I spent all of three months in England and Ireland. But if you want the answer, you'll have to ask the question.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Tani
    I second what everyone has already said and would also add that it helps if you give a title. Knowing the title that you want can give the writer more of an idea of what you want. If you just give a key word, the writer may take it in a different direction.

    For example, if you gave a writer the key word "work at home", the writer may write an article all about how you can find companies that allow you to work at home. The keyword density may be great, but if you're trying to persuade readers to start their own business from home, the article isn't in the right direction.

    Love,
    Shannon
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  • Profile picture of the author Trieu
    I usually find my writers from warrior and DP
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr McDonald
    You should check out http://www.warriorforum.com/warriors...-accepted.html

    High standard, open to your ideas and fast turnaround.
    I have used him for the last 3 months , brilliant.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lindsay Brynn
    I'm a writer also and I love it when the clients are really specific about what they want. Don't be afraid to be as detailed as you'd like to be when making your requests. I like to know all the details about keyword density, formatting, style - etc. It just helps me to get it right the first time.
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    • Profile picture of the author johagulo
      Originally Posted by Lindsay Brynn View Post

      I'm a writer also and I love it when the clients are really specific about what they want. Don't be afraid to be as detailed as you'd like to be when making your requests. I like to know all the details about keyword density, formatting, style - etc. It just helps me to get it right the first time.
      well said as i too am a writer and love the clients to be very specific rather than crying later
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Fier
    Whenever I used to purchase articles from outsourcers, I would give them a complete rundown of how many words I was expecting and asked for a sample of their writing style.

    I've used this technique on both Elance.com and forums throughout the internet. I personally prefer the forum tactic because I have always paid much less per article.

    If you wanted to go that route, look for 'Work at home moms' forums and PM a member who looks very skilled. I've found that these people really want to work for you, know how to research well, and have great writing skills.

    I hope this helps you out!
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  • Profile picture of the author geoffcruz
    Originally Posted by quantikev View Post

    What precisely did you not like about the articles? Was it their quality of research, grammer, or lack of search engine optimization?

    The SEO can be fixed by simply inserting the keyword(s) up to once per paragraph.

    If you didn't like their level of research or writing style, I'd just keep checking other writers.

    Kevin
    Kevin,

    What did not like the most is the lack of research, they will just say anything just to make the word count. And it is also my fault maybe i did not give enough info.
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  • Profile picture of the author geoffcruz
    Wow thanks for all the tips guys, the next step is to go out and look for a writer and use all of your suggestions.
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  • Profile picture of the author vual
    Greetings Geoff,

    I would like to offer you a Free Article, All you need to do is send me your Keywords, the Topic, and the required length. This is yours free to sample my work, then if you are happy we can work out future arrangements. Check PM, And anyone else interested in this offer please PM me the same requirements.

    A side note, most article writers are extreamly cheap really.. Considering the servie they offer, if you are unhappy with your current writer it is not to costly to take another sample from the talent pool, most respectible writers will offer a satifaction policy anyway.

    Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author saeed8226
    Dear
    Please visit www.justarticles.com, they are some article specialists. You can tell them your requirement and im sure you will receive quality articles you need.
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  • Profile picture of the author cvetanski
    Geoff,

    Did you tried outsourcing with PLR?

    About hiring a ghostwriter- Did you check for artcicle writters on CL in the Philippines?

    I used a couple of them. For $4 they can write an article that has between 400 and 500 words.
    And in a matter of fact it was not that bad.
    I just told them what I want and how I want it.
    They sent me an example, I asked them to make corrections and voila
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    • Profile picture of the author geoffcruz
      CL? in the Philippines

      Originally Posted by cvetanski View Post

      Geoff,

      Did you tried outsourcing with PLR?

      About hiring a ghostwriter- Did you check for artcicle writters on CL in the Philippines?

      I used a couple of them. For $4 they can write an article that has between 400 and 500 words.
      And in a matter of fact it was not that bad.
      I just told them what I want and how I want it.
      They sent me an example, I asked them to make corrections and voila
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  • Profile picture of the author morry
    Geoff, I've found the best thing you can do is find a writer who can write really well. Having great content is key to any site's success. You might be able to find people overseas who can do this, but I've found the best writers speak English as a first language.

    Also, don't worry too much about keyword density. If you give the writer the title, chances are your keywords will be naturally optimised. Think about it, if you were writing an article about brown socks, chances are you'd use "brown socks" once or twice.

    Forget about this, just tell the writer to write something great and it will appear natural. That's what Google wants anyway. Writers can be hard to keep long term and there are a lot of crap ones out there, so what I do is split test a bunch.

    If I want 50 articles done, I'll go hire ten people to do 5 articles each for me. If they can't do 5 articles well and in a good time frame, then there's no chance they can do larger jobs down the track.

    Hope that helps,
    Sean
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