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by Regional Warrior
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Hey Warriors

As a bit of an experiment tonight I decided to go back to first couple of posts I ever made, and what surprise me was how much over the amount of years I have been here on the forum the questions are the same,

The only difference was the people who replied and helped , that is what is missing from today's Warrior Forum, you could not get away with the crap on here now a days some of the idiotic questions just got nuked spam was never as bad as now and everyone respected each other and the ban hammer was waiting.

One of the things that gave me faith today was a thread I read and it was like the forum of old had gone back four years , the replies were to the point and not one of the replies tried to hijack the thread .

I may be wrong but I think the new owners should bring back the $1 account fee for any new accounts so this will cut out all the spam crap, drop the War Room back to $49 for short time and get rid of the Warrior Payments and let people use whom ever so It will get some of the older Warriors back and we don't get newbies answering newbies questions

And the mindset needs to change from a negative cancer to a more happy to help kinda way so we all can benefit in the long run.
Jason
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  • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
    While I agree with you that the nominal fee did and would address most of the spam problem, I disagree that the original members would ever return. The only thing that matters to the new owners' shareholders are the raw numbers, not the quality of the discussions; they've made that abundantly clear since the day they took over, and they're not about to reverse course.
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

      While I agree with you that the nominal fee did and would address most of the spam problem, I disagree that the original members would ever return. The only thing that matters to the new owners' shareholders are the raw numbers, not the quality of the discussions; they've made that abundantly clear since the day they took over, and they're not about to reverse course.
      David I agree to a point but I think the numbers have dropped off imho.
      and lets say there are 1K who would sign up to the WR but not at $97 but would be fine with $49-55 for 30 years !! I am sure they would see the benefit.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
        Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

        David I agree to a point but I think the numbers have dropped off imho.
        Apparently, the only number that the shareholders actually care about is the one million members, and that number does keep growing. Actual levels of engagement are apparently irrelevant to them.

        Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

        and lets say there are 1K who would sign up to the WR but not at $97 but would be fine with $49-55 for 30 years !! I am sure they would see the benefit.
        Um, have you seen the "questions" posed here? I strongly doubt there are a thousand people here who have $50 total to their name, much less have the ability or willingness to spend it on something like that. In general, the folks walking through the door here want untold riches without having to spend any time, money, or effort.

        Yes, there are certainly exceptions. But those people don't stay here very long. Why should they?
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        • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
          Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

          Apparently, the only number that the shareholders actually care about is the one million members, and that number does keep growing. Actual levels of engagement are apparently irrelevant to them.



          Um, have you seen the "questions" posed here? I strongly doubt there are a thousand people here who have $50 total to their name, much less have the ability or willingness to spend it on something like that. In general, the folks walking through the door here want untold riches without having to spend any time, money, or effort.

          Yes, there are certainly exceptions. But those people don't stay here very long. Why should they?
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          I understand but their is also the one's who don't post as well ,the one's who read and take action... but I think the $49 or even $35 whatever the cost for WR and if it is once off you get Warriors to purchase the only reason it was raised was greed.
          but you have to admit the $1 for every new account open will stem the tide of crap the forum is getting.

          The one thing that needs to change imo is the negativity and I recon we can make this like what it used to be! not quite but close.
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          • Profile picture of the author @tjr
            Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

            The one thing that needs to change imo is the negativity and I recon we can make this like what it used to be! not quite but close.
            I think nostalgia is clouding your logic here. Significant change, especially among an audience of this size, would require the creation of a tangible and emotional movement.

            This thread ain't that movement.
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            • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
              Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

              I think nostalgia is clouding your logic here. Significant change, especially among an audience of this size, would require the creation of a tangible and emotional movement.

              This thread ain't that movement.
              of one.

              We choose. Don't participate in the negative.
              And, participation depends on motivation.

              As advertised, this place is the LARGEST MARKETPLACE.

              Sort of like a Farmer's Market, you see bruised and dirty apples, don't buy.

              People come here to be in the MARKETPLACE, or that is what is being advertised or touted.

              I don't see any banners or ads which say, "the world's largest and friendliest chat room."

              It is what it is, and instead of seeing the negative, offer up thoughts of value and if only one in the million recognize the value, maybe it is not a waste of time.

              BUT, to each his own. In 15 years, I can count on two hands the number of Warriors I had as customers, even in the good old days, when it was more of a chat room, it depended on what you expected to get from it, and just like today...maybe it depends on what you give?

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        • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
          Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

          Apparently, the only number that the shareholders actually care about is the one million members, and that number does keep growing. Actual levels of engagement are apparently irrelevant to them.



          Um, have you seen the "questions" posed here? I strongly doubt there are a thousand people here who have $50 total to their name, much less have the ability or willingness to spend it on something like that. In general, the folks walking through the door here want untold riches without having to spend any time, money, or effort.

          Yes, there are certainly exceptions. But those people don't stay here very long. Why should they?
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Hi RW:
    I do agree. Basically, you are 100% right and the new owners are wrong. OK, so they want to make money right away. Well, there is nothing wrong in making money. However, we see a definite decline in consumer service. I still remember a site that was a fiver clone giving out 99 WSO for one dollar - yes. That made me think that people are not getting their money's worth, but I do like the war room...

    Back in 2004 people were a lot nicer. Frankly, we have now a lot of new users. Most are lacking in basic human courtesy and often these newbies want to be given a secret success recipe. Sadly, there is no such thing, but they still want to be an instant success. Yeah, as if no work was necessary. What they do not realize is that you need years of hard work - yes years.

    Here are some ways we can improve:
    • Netflix asks me to rate movies. Let us ask all threads for a rating.
    • Ban people who post spam. For example see ALICE or rorex reprica.
    • Allow customers to complain about a poor WSO for which they did pay money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I can only speak for myself, but a big part of the issue for me is the problem pointed out in the OP. It's the same questions. It gets very boring typing the same responses to the same questions over and over.


    Another issue is back when this forum first went public, there was only one forum, plus maybe the WSO forum, if I remember correctly. A little later, the SEO sub forum was created. Now, there's tons of sub forums and topics are being micro-managed. There's really not much left of interest to discuss in the Main.


    And another note about the early days. Back then, all posts were moderated before they were posted. This cut out a lot of the BS. We also need to remember this forum started in 1997(?), was moved to the Snitz platform in 2002(?) and to VB in 2008. Much of the original (and best) stuff was when the WF was on Snitz between 2002 and 2008 and wasn't imported into this VB version.
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      It gets very boring typing the same responses to the same questions over and over.
      I'm sure no one has asked you to reply to them all have they?

      Maybe that's the problem. If people didn't keep responding
      to the same old questions, maybe they'd stop getting asked.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
        Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

        Maybe that's the problem. If people didn't keep responding
        to the same old questions, maybe they'd stop getting asked.
        Actually, I doubt that. How else are they supposed to get signature exposure?
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        • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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          Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

          Actually, I doubt that. How else are they supposed to get signature exposure?
          Yes you're right.
          Posters and repliers.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
            Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

            Yes you're right.
            Posters and repliers.
            So just shut it down? Is that the answer? It sounds like it. If someone asks a question they are lazy for not searching on their own. If someone answers said question and happens to have a sig they are wrong. If someone shares a success story many times they are blasted as lying.

            I've always thought that a discussion board needs - well - it needs discussion but maybe I'm wrong and we are just supposed to log in every day and read the old posts.

            I don't believe that everyone posting things are doing it for the sig exposure only.

            For example I think that you want to help the forum, in your own way with your comments, even though you have a sig. I don't blame you or blast you or anything else. Why do you do that to others - even ones that appear to be legit or otherwise offer good information or discussion?

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            • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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              Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

              Why do you do that to others - even ones that appear to be legit or otherwise offer good information or discussion?
              That's a pretty general question which is difficult to answer as I'm not psychic.
              If you have some specific examples let me know.
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            • Profile picture of the author writeaway
              Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

              So just shut it down? Is that the answer? It sounds like it. If someone asks a question they are lazy for not searching on their own. If someone answers said question and happens to have a sig they are wrong. If someone shares a success story many times they are blasted as lying.

              I've always thought that a discussion board needs - well - it needs discussion but maybe I'm wrong and we are just supposed to log in every day and read the old posts.

              I don't believe that everyone posting things are doing it for the sig exposure only.

              For example I think that you want to help the forum, in your own way with your comments, even though you have a sig. I don't blame you or blast you or anything else. Why do you do that to others - even ones that appear to be legit or otherwise offer good information or discussion?

              Mark
              You raise some great points.

              Unfortunately, to address the OP's needs, only a FULL MODERATED board would suffice.

              This would require holding posts until they are approved.

              I am not sure that is financially FEASIBLE

              Talk about a LABOR INTENSIVE way to run a forum

              It would require editing in batches

              I am confident the final result would be highly useful RESOURCE information but... the costs would just be too high.
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              • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
                Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

                You raise some great points.

                Unfortunately, to address the OP's needs, only a FULL MODERATED board would suffice.

                This would require holding posts until they are approved.

                I am not sure that is financially FEASIBLE

                Talk about a LABOR INTENSIVE way to run a forum

                It would require editing in batches

                I am confident the final result would be highly useful RESOURCE information but... the costs would just be too high.
                Mark

                I was more for the $1 account fee as last time this happened it cut the spam out to about 98% , one of the things that is always told to newbies is you have to spend money to make money! I am also a shareholder of this Organization and so see what they are doing and to me its nothing.

                They had grand plans at the start but they forgot one thing RESPECT for all who came here to learn and make money on the WSO sub forum, I can not wait till the next AGM because a lot of shareholders do not even know this site exists!! anyway that's for another day.

                Jason
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

            Yes you're right.
            Posters and repliers.
            Are you saying repliers aren't posters too?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

        I'm sure no one has asked you to reply to them all have they?

        Maybe that's the problem. If people didn't keep responding
        to the same old questions, maybe they'd stop getting asked.
        You're right. No one asked me personally to reply to them all and I haven't. And I didn't ask you to respond to my post either, but you did.


        In case you missed it, my point is that many basic questions have been asked a lot of times and many experienced members not only find the questions boring, they find the responses, even the good ones, boring as well and not that everyone asked me to respond.


        A good forum requires new members, but it also needs to keep experienced members interested or they go away. And yes, many experienced members go away for other reasons.
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