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I've been scammed by just about every conceivable method.

I've come to the conclusion there really is no method for a person to successfully build an online business.

The only people that even make any money are the so-called 'Gurus' who roll out these shiny "programs" every few months, bilking people until they can get their next slideshow ready.

If there is a way to do it, I would certainly love to know how!

Any comments would be appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author chyan007
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    Who said everything is a Scam,

    You need to first change your perspective....

    You run after shiny object syndrome and then blame the people

    Can you seriously say ,,,You took any action except switching from products to productss

    Did you stick around to single one....

    I dont think so

    There is so much quality around ,Trust me there is more good than BAD

    Hope this helps and let me know

    If you have any other questions
    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Victor Nguyen
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      • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
        start a blog ,

        about your hobby , interest is not scam that for sure.

        for MLM , the concept is ....most MLM programs want to prevent themselves call " Scam" and get authority attention, they will include some stuffs inside their programs , aka when you pay and join you will access these marketing stuffs which sadly Most of the stuffs inside are openly available FREE online while just do a google search.

        They are just getting those re sell materials modify it and put inside their program.

        The main purpose is like this , they will not be question or caught up with the authority as they are Scam MLM companies. Why some MLM companies get busted because their program don't have any thing just promote , up line , down line ...

        good an example is National Wealth Centre. Which I clarify can declare this is a Scam MLM company. Inside you will get to access different level , from 25 dollars to even 7500 just to access those crap videos seriously is really Crap. No value at all.

        As mention why, they include those crap marketing videos , material inside,
        The purpose is to avoid been busted and label as a Scam MLM company.


        Make blog , talk about your hobbies , earn from ads , = No scam
        MLM with Vale , with good products inside = No scam
        Marketing tools that help your online business = No scam

        Affiliate Marketing , promoting others products which work = No scam.


        What is Scam , Sell you a product with no value behind , fake promise , simple as that and important can't get your refund.

        Some Marketing products give you even 30 days money back let you try first than decide.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
      Originally Posted by chyan007 View Post

      There is so much quality around
      lol

      Quality isn't a word usually associated with the crap flogged on this board.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Streby
    I have some practical advice for you bud... it goes like this.

    Don't start out in the IM niche, that's like jumping into the Pacific Ocean before you even learn how to swim.

    I know you probably don't want to hear this, but think about it THIS way.

    Would you rather start off (and I do mean just when you start, as you are still learning) ...would you rather make like maybe $100 a week or lose $100 a month?

    Now this is assuming you are buying WSO's and possibly paying for traffic and such.

    Personally I'd want to start off making pocket change and that way you are making money as you continue to learn. Remember, you are not confined to just one single niche, you can branch out into as many as you please!
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  • Profile picture of the author Miguelito203
    Originally Posted by supersaint71241 View Post

    I've been scammed by just about every conceivable method.

    I've come to the conclusion there really is no method for a person to successfully build an online business.

    The only people that even make any money are the so-called 'Gurus' who roll out these shiny "programs" every few months, bilking people until they can get their next slideshow ready.

    If there is a way to do it, I would certainly love to know how!

    Any comments would be appreciated.
    There's no way you could have been scammed by every method. While I will admit that some of the products in the internet marketing sector suck, there are a number of legitimate business models: niche blogging (review-site model, most common, my fav.), ghostwriting and/or submitting your written content to sites for pay, making money with Kindle (publishing stories and what not), having a Private Label Rights store or membership site, Fulfillment by Amazon and more. Personally, I had to try some diff. things before I found something I thought I could stick with.

    You have to change your mentality. If you've tried any of these models before but had no success, it could be that the product sucked (can lessen the likelihood of this happening with research and what not), but it's also possible that you had a good product but gave up before you saw success. Making money online isn't something that happens overnight. It takes work. You have to be willing to learn, implement what you learn, tweak it, and repeat the process until achieve your desired results. The first site I put up wasn't a winner, but I learned and improved with my second one. It performed a lot better and made me money.

    Joey
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    Forget what others tell you to do.

    Develop your own business plan.

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    • Profile picture of the author ElGuapo
      Originally Posted by Sarevok View Post

      Forget what others tell you to do.

      Develop your own business plan.

      This. A million times this.

      I'd bet most successful Warriors would tell you their turnaround came when they stopped absorbing themselves in the material of others and instead started to think independently. It is a major epiphany.

      We're often at our best when at our most intuitive. An awful lot of information is designed to make us be unsteady, uncertain, equivocate. There are 8 year old kids making more money than many 'knowledgable' internet marketers, just by realising the simplicity of selling lemonade for more than it cost to manufacture.

      Anyone can build a website these days. Anyone can slap on a payment button. Any demographic can be reached on the internet in a number of ways. Just figure it out for yourself, put it together, and persist until you're hitting the numbers you want.

      Then you might find some use in training materials to help you refine your results - or, if you're making good money, you could just hire specialists to do it for you...
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      • Profile picture of the author sparrow
        Originally Posted by ElGuapo View Post

        This. A million times this.

        I'd bet most successful Warriors would tell you their turnaround came when they stopped absorbing themselves in the material of others and instead started to think independently. It is a major epiphany.
        Some of the best business advice I've seen in a long time

        it's OK to model and emulate others but when your at a standstill it's time to start thinking for yourself once you have have invested in some time and knowledge
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve007
          Originally Posted by sparrow View Post

          Some of the best business advice I've seen in a long time

          it's OK to model and emulate others but when your at a standstill it's time to start thinking for yourself once you have have invested in some time and knowledge
          This is probably the best advice here as well

          First of all the word "scam" should not be used so loosely.

          But I guess we can all understand, you're frustrated. We all have been there.

          I think people who has been doing "IM" for a while understand that there really isn't that new magic bullet out there. Most products are not scam. Although they are really the same stuff said over and over and over again. The reason why they don't work for most people is... well because no one actually do anything with them. And not all products may apply to your situation.

          I think the basic stuff that are really good advice is start with something you know. Picking the right niche and market is more important then learning how to grow hack.

          Selling IM product is lucrative but it's difficult without a strong network of gurus That takes time to build, and craft. If you're looking to get rich quick then this is not really for you. Going to the Casino will yield you better results if you're lucky.

          One of the secret that most people never listen to and I believe Jeff Walker even mention this here on warrior forum in a post is that the power of a strong genuine network.

          Keep trying you'll learn as you go
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  • Profile picture of the author professorrosado
    Little kids start businesses with a lemonade stand.
    Single moms make a killing with popcorn made in their bathtubs.
    And you can't figure out how to sell something?

    You are not trying, you're just dreaming.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    Look around more. You'll see plenty of online businesses that are making money that have nothing to do with the IM niches.

    But even within the IM niches, I can give you two quick examples: Yaro Starak of Entrepreneurs-Journey.com and Shane Melaugh of Thrive Themes.

    Both of them are doing IM and email marketing right. Yaro has a great training course and definitely not a scam at all. Shane sells an entire product suite and gives some great marketing advice.

    Do more research before you buy into something, and stop hopping around like a bunny, going from one method to another. Find a solid method and stick with it. This shit takes time.
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  • Profile picture of the author superowid
    You've joined in 2011 with about 2 posts only.

    Seems like you're just looking for a magic button to make you rich. I wonder how many WSOs you bought already.

    You should open your own service for SCAM PRODUCT SPECIALIST. I think you can make money by saving some newbies with your skill in this area, since you should know very well the signs of any scam products (if you've really bought so many methods).

    You could make money this way...! Just take action.
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    • Profile picture of the author sparrow
      Originally Posted by superowid View Post

      .

      You should open your own service for SCAM PRODUCT SPECIALIST. I think you can make money by saving some newbies with your skill in this area, since you should know very well the signs of any scam products (if you've really bought so many methods).

      You could make money this way...! Just take action.
      This works just look out there in the search engines review sites get a lot of traction

      Stop dreaming and start taking action, seems to me you just set yourself up for a winning combo
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Originally Posted by supersaint71241 View Post

    I've been scammed by just about every conceivable method.

    I've come to the conclusion there really is no method for a person to successfully build an online business.

    The only people that even make any money are the so-called 'Gurus' who roll out these shiny "programs" every few months, bilking people until they can get their next slideshow ready.

    If there is a way to do it, I would certainly love to know how!

    Any comments would be appreciated.
    Here's your problem:

    You're expecting the product to do the work (read: everything) for you.

    How do you define a "scam"? I'm curious.

    How long do you stick with an idea?

    How much effort do you put in?

    What genuine problem-solving expertise do you accumulate?

    Or do you just buy a product, push it out there, and hope?

    What are you known for? What specifically do you fix for other people?


    A product is a TOOL for helping you get from A to B.

    And I sure hope you defined A and B BEFORE you got started, and bought this because it fit that specific requirement--but you probably didn't, and bought because it was shiny and hyped.

    YOU still have to do the work. A hammer needs to be lifted and swung. It doesn't drive the nail all on its own.

    You have created your own frustration by believing there's some magic road to success and someone or something else will do the work for you. It doesn't work that way.

    I saw someone in another thread whining that they bought a program and inside it recommended they buy other things to help them with traffic and conversion.

    What do you expect??

    That's what business is based on: Generating Leads, Qualifying them, and Closing SALES.

    If you can't afford a way of getting lead traffic, by forum posting, buying ads, banners etc., then it's time to go back to a job. That element in programs not a scam. That's a necessary part of business and if the program you bought gives you pointers on how to USE tools to help you generate leads, qualify and close them...then it's doing it's job.

    You're saying, "I bought a hammer and a wrench and a pair of pliers and a hose and a box of nails one at a time over the years, without a plan, and I didn't get a freakin' house, man...what a SCAM!"

    If you're blowing all the little money you have on a final roulette-wheel spin for a win, you are not in a position to do so. The product is just the tool, some advice, some expertise, a plan. It's not going to attract traffic, qualify it and sell it on its own. It should give you help on how to go about doing those things...but expecting it to do all of that is completely unrealistic and shows a lack of understanding of the basics of business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      What are you known for? What specifically do you fix for other people?
      ^^ This is the true hidden gem in this thread.

      Business is just selling things to people, right? Sure, we could elaborate for pages on that, but it isn't necessary.

      If you can't break down your business into a real product that delivers real value to a real person, value that exceeds the cost of that product, then you don't really have a business.

      There is no such thing as "IM" - it is not a business model, a product or a system. It is just a vague concept that explains how the internet can be a tool to help you deliver your core value to customers. If you are lacking that core deliverable value, then you don't have that business and no guru can save you from yourself and your delusions of grandeur.

      Stop putting the cart before the horse. Figure out what value you have to offer the world, then build your delivery system around that.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        When I was a kid, I'd sometimes moan to my mother about people saying mean things about me. She usually asked who was doing the talking, and then tell me to "consider the source."

        When you whine about continually being scammed, I'd advise you to look at who you have been buying from and consider the source.

        If you buy a fancy watch from a guy on the street corner selling watches from an overcoat, should you really be surprised to find you bought a "Rollex" instead of a Rolex?

        Same goes for spending $7 on a complete, paint by numbers, big money for no effort cash-while-you-sleep "system" or "business in a box" from a seller whose username looks like someone dropped a sandwich on their keyboard while signing up...
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by supersaint71241 View Post

    I've been scammed by just about every conceivable method.

    I've come to the conclusion there really is no method for a person to successfully build an online business.

    The only people that even make any money are the so-called 'Gurus' who roll out these shiny "programs" every few months, bilking people until they can get their next slideshow ready.

    If there is a way to do it, I would certainly love to know how!

    Any comments would be appreciated.
    Well, you have been here since 2011 and you have only 2 posts ? You need to get more involved here for one thing.

    As far as scams ? Yes , there are Scams. But I think many of the times people call things scam when in fact they are not.

    They are scams because they do not work for them. And they do not work for them because they did not implement the products or course properly or their expectations were very unrealistic.

    My advice: Absorb some of the knowledge in here. Pick out some reputable Warriors who are solid and credible and listen to what they say and do.


    - Robert Andrew
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  • Profile picture of the author jj63
    Copying successful business models is the way to go.

    Go to Flippa and using their search engine see what sites are making several thousand a month. Then copy what they are doing. Often sellers give out enough data in order to do this. Just by spending 10 minutes on there you can discover all kinds of profitable niches you might never have thought about.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    If you THINK everything is a SCAM to you then they all are.

    It's the typical "the grapes is sour" syndrome. I don't even think you
    believe yourself, hence this post.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jan Brzeski
    Stop complaining and take some action that makes sense. You're getting scammed because you must be buying stuff from people you don't know or research.

    Cheers,
    Jan
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Just because you are not making money with a program does not mean that it is a scam. It just means that you have not mastered the marketing aspect of that program if you are in affiliate marketing for example.

    Mastering MARKETING is the most important skill online as an affiliate marketer. Knowing what works for you and what does not.
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  • Profile picture of the author RS3RS
    Take a few minutes out of your day and watch this video on learned helplessness:


    Figure out what you want to do, and research every step you need to take in order to make that happen.

    I guarantee you, there are people making plenty of money online, and most of them are not doing it by selling products. I would also venture that most of the people who use said products aren't making much money, either.

    You don't need a "system". You need to learn, grow, and most importantly -- you need to fail. You need to fail many times. With each failure comes a lesson that will make you the person you will eventually become.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by supersaint71241 View Post

    I've been scammed by just about every conceivable method.

    Look in the mirror and you'll see the reason why people get scammed.

    You have no one to blame but yourself. No one held a gun to your head and forced you to fall for a sales pitch of easy money and no work.

    You are the reason scammers make money.

    You can also be the reason that you have a profitable Internet business . . . but I can tell you without hesitation that getting scammed is way faster, easier, and less work than starting and running a profitable business.

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  • Profile picture of the author stackman
    You need to get out of the mindset that the way to online business success is through buying crappy schemes, by someone holding you by the hand, and by giving you a fool-proof step-by-step plan.

    Your conclusion that it's impossible to build a successful online business is ridiculous. But it's apparently not as easy as you seem to want. I'm glad I didn't subscribe to your conclusions when I started. Nobody told me it couldn't be done, so I just did it.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Caveate emptor - buyer beware!

    You hold 10x the power of the seller.

    However, if you do not exercise your right to conduct the research, and do your due dilligence to determine 'if' that purchase is necessary to your business? - it's on YOU! Own it!

    If not, you are NOT ready to conduct business. You have positioned yourself as a buyer... Not a seller!

    I would stand in the defense of the millions who wake up @ 4:30am to report to a job, full well knowing; something better must exist... And enlighten them of a true tale of freedom!

    And, I almost guarantee... If I fired that audience up enough to get the majority of those in attendance to 'admit' they hate their job, and deserve better...

    And 'sold' them an exact blueprint to follow...

    I would make a ton of money!

    However, despite my sincerity in wanting them to use the information to 'break free' from their 'enslavement'...

    Most would go home, lose sleep, and within 48 hours 80% would wake up @ 4:30 am, return to work, focused on their comfortable routine, and NEVER apply one step in the direction of the very freedom they seek.

    While the few, would read, study, apply the actions required, and keep that momentum each day at work, happy... Cause they have already accepted that they are working towards a new vision, a freedom, and a lifestyle that will enable them with anything they desire!

    So "How" do so many fail?

    Because they are blind to any opportunity outside their comfort zone, they do not take action or apply a belief in themself enough to make the transition their reality.

    People are creatures of habit!

    Breaking their routine requires courage.

    Admitting they hate their job is easy, but quitting it often implies a fear of loss...

    A loss they've been conditioned to believe, accept, and tolerate that the very job they hate, is their security blanket... Like Linus on Charley Brown!

    Here's a confession, I recently told my previous employer to "go F himself" because he implied I needed his jobs...

    I am seconds away from being thrown out of my place.

    I am damn near broke.

    Everyone is telling me to get a job, whilst when Iassk; " do you like your job?"

    The answer is 99% of the time... "No, but I need money!"

    I seek no sympathy for my decision. My boss was a ____ who doesn't appreciate his employees. He cannot do the jobs he wants done... But, he knows; a 100 others will take his offerings, only to get burned out of both time & money in the long run.

    The difference being... I don't want what he's selling!

    I hold the power, and despite my current circumstances, I seek no sympathy, pity, and hold no shame to standing up for those who deserve better.

    I've entertained the idea of selling everything I have left, moving into my van, video taping the daily events of being homeless while building a business from nothing, just to prove that even against all those odds... I have the balls to succeed!

    Risky perhaps, and somehow facing a new level of humilty, and NOT accepting the lies, most buy into... Could be the most powerful example I could ever set.

    Obviously, if it fails... I would be labeled a fool.

    I can only hope by example, such a half wit plan such as mine can motivate even the most talented of 'excuse makers' everywhere!

    The problem is not that the job market is a scam...

    The problem is, I boldly refuse to accept the escape I seek is possible buying into the bs everyone else is selling, and accepts as normal!

    You see, the only way I can afford to put my money where my mouth is... Is to take a leap of faith. One which is not for the weak...

    Lastly, if I could face the projected ridicule of on-lookers and nay-sayers that my plan is sound (despite the appearance) of starting from the lowest point humanly imaginable, and I do succeed...imagine what a story that would make.

    Knowing; nobody will believe it... Until I prove it can & will be done!

    And when I do... Money will not be my primary focus, it will be the end goal of inspiring others to stand up, and fight for their freedom!

    The scams on you, not the seller!

    We, the buyers hold the power, not the other way around!

    Perhaps if sellers of junk had no buyers... We wouldn't need scammers. Maybe if workers were compensated accordingly, we wouldn't have poverty. Who knows, maybe we all know the truth, yet dare not accept it. For we've been trained to blame it on someone else... I take full responsibility for every bad decision I make...including 'trusting' employers... Not anymore!

    Choose a side, and run with it!

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  • Profile picture of the author SnackMemory
    Originally Posted by supersaint71241 View Post

    I've been scammed by just about every conceivable method.

    I've come to the conclusion there really is no method for a person to successfully build an online business.

    The only people that even make any money are the so-called 'Gurus' who roll out these shiny "programs" every few months, bilking people until they can get their next slideshow ready.

    If there is a way to do it, I would certainly love to know how!

    Any comments would be appreciated.
    Im doing it, it just takes knowledge of how it works, and dedication and hard work.

    How did you get scammed? Most of what I learned was on this and other forums for free.
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  • Profile picture of the author allegandro
    I think you made a thinking mistake.

    Many of this programs really can help you. but what most people do is this.

    Read it half, think they can become instant rich, give up after 2 hours and blame the program being a scam.

    Well off course this is not you, but be honest to yourself, did you give the program the right attention, and did you really understand all that was said?
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    • Profile picture of the author SiteNameSales
      Every Marketing master I've encountered has studied with a master and that master had a master from whom he or she also learned.

      Even a marketing genius like Steve Jobs had Steve Wozniak to create path for him to follow.

      The stories of initial failures from some of the marketing masters are extremely instructive. And, certainly, you might want to look on the bright side and consider your encounters with some 'scammers' as a learning experience.

      You can save a lot of time and money when you study with the experts. This is just my opinion, of course, and just like every improving online marketer I'm familiar with, I am studying with a master.
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  • The OP your statement is not true (a lie to be clear). Not everyone and everything is a scam and that is true!
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    I've come to the conclusion there really is no method for a person to successfully build an online business.
    You are either blind or not too bright.

    Just the painfully obvious - Google, Facebook, GoDaddy, Aweber,...

    You don't want to build an online business. How could you, you don't even believe they exist?
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  • Profile picture of the author furkan199x
    I think every succesful online marketer failed so much time that he thought that there is not money to make. But if you focus on one method, one day you will survive.
    My recommendation to you is, start with a blog. You can get free traffic there, you can build an email list and also partner with other people.

    There is so much scam out there and everyone knows that, but if you buy product after product, you cant survive.

    Go to youtube and watch some "Kinghuman" videos and you will understand what online marketing is and how you can make money in this busines.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shane Williams
      I've brought plenty of IM products in the past and not a single one worked for me. Was I scammed, No I just brought every new shinny object on the market, let them collect dust on my hard drive and never took action on them.

      The advice you will get here is Stop Buying and Start Doing. Either go back to a past product you brought or buy one last up-to-date product from a reputable seller with promising reviews and then read it from cover to cover, implement the system and master it through trial and error instead of jumping from one system to another without putting in the time and effort to see if it works for you.

      A bad workman blames his tools. Yes there are bad products for sale that offer the world and plenty of scams about, but there are also experts in the industry that provide quality products that work if the customer puts in the work required.
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  • Profile picture of the author supersaint71241
    Thanks for all the responses.

    The truth is, the problem is me. I'm a failure at everything I ever tried to do, and I've made too many mistakes to ever recover from them.

    It's pretty close to the end for me, it's just taking awhile to get there, thanks for listening...
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
      Originally Posted by supersaint71241 View Post

      Thanks for all the responses.

      The truth is, the problem is me. I'm a failure at everything I ever tried to do, and I've made too many mistakes to ever recover from them.

      It's pretty close to the end for me, it's just taking awhile to get there, thanks for listening...
      Maybe this business is for you and maybe it isn't. It's just like everything - some can be good or great basketball players but the majority of us suck. Some can get filthy rich selling whatever they put their finger on but most of us can't and struggle along.

      If you want to quit or feel that there is no hope, there is no shame in doing so.

      However, if you want to see if there is potentially any hope then share what you know, what you've done, the courses you've taken ("scams" and all), what your goals are, etc.

      Then maybe some kind soul will help you see if there might be a fit. Note that you may share these things and the advice may still be to go find something else because you are not a good fit for this business but at least there will be more info to go on to make a legit decision.

      Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by supersaint71241 View Post

    I've been scammed by just about every conceivable method.

    I've come to the conclusion there really is no method for a person to successfully build an online business.

    The only people that even make any money are the so-called 'Gurus' who roll out these shiny "programs" every few months, bilking people until they can get their next slideshow ready.

    If there is a way to do it, I would certainly love to know how!

    Any comments would be appreciated.

    Step 1: Cut your credit card up.

    Step 2: Think for yourself.

    Online is the exact same as offline. Match potential buyers with a targeted product or service. Everything else is minor details, figure it out as you go.

    That's the BIG secret, don't tell anyone.









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  • Profile picture of the author statusengage
    It comes down to due diligence and learning enough of information upfront to sort know if the service or product you are buying into works.

    It also takes massive effort. A lot of people read case studies and other people's successes and compare to their own (or lack of) and think it's a scam, but the reality is everyone that has had success online has had 10x more failures.

    You just have to manage risk, fail fast and keep experimenting. Once you start getting success, think about how to scale it. Don't try to chase after the next trend. That's called 'shiny penny syndrome' and it's a growth killer.

    Originally Posted by supersaint71241 View Post

    I've been scammed by just about every conceivable method.

    I've come to the conclusion there really is no method for a person to successfully build an online business.

    The only people that even make any money are the so-called 'Gurus' who roll out these shiny "programs" every few months, bilking people until they can get their next slideshow ready.

    If there is a way to do it, I would certainly love to know how!

    Any comments would be appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author SasaIlic
    Great attitude buddy! Now for real, you won't get far with that kind of thinking. Start learning on your own, you are too self critical.
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