Affiliate/Internet marketing is dead!

Omarkenawy

8 years ago

Of course it’s not dead. In ways it’s bigger and better than ever.

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fernando avila 8 years ago

Affiliate marketing is far from dead. It's all about finding a right strategy, you have to find something that works and stick to it. All of the old school techniques still work they just have to be tweaked a bit to keep up with the constant change.

Many people still make a full time income from affiliate marketing...
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- Devilfish168 8 years ago
  
  if affiliate marketing is dead than how about those iM come out their own products listed on Click bank?
  
  No doubt they also " might be promoting their own products themselves " but they also need an army of affiliates to promote their products in return for nice commission.
  
  without a good commission return , he will not able to attract an army of affiliates
  Same apply as affiliate for amazon isn't?
  
  Why amazon got affiliate program?
  
  so I feel Affiliate internet marketing still there.
  
  Affiliate marketing is dead than same apply for those Seller....
  
  this is how I feel
  
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ChrisBa 8 years ago

Originally Posted by Omarkenawy

Of course it's not dead. In ways it's bigger and better than ever.

Exactly, but there are always some people who think it's dead
better for us i guess?
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Alex The Lion

8 years ago

It's not even close to dead, you just need to provide value alongside products.

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DRP

8 years ago

It's VERY dead. But I'll let you guys keep deluding yourselves and lying to each other about your fake commissions. When it comes to ROI, the vast majority of you are better off working a part-time job. But fakers will be fakers, losers will be losers. I for one, will enlighten those who actually want to learn the reality about this industry...but it's not many.

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art72

8 years ago

Originally Posted by DRP

It's VERY dead. But I'll let you guys keep deluding yourselves and lying to each other about your fake commissions. When it comes to ROI, the vast majority of you are better off working a part-time job. But fakers will be fakers, losers will be losers. I for one, will enlighten those who actually want to learn the reality about this industry...but it's not many.

Hopefully you do a better job as a 'consumer advocate' then you do bashing threads... My first thought was this guys a ________!

Affiliate marketing is NOT dead, and for you to 'enlighten those' who want to know your reality... Probably won't be many if you keep burping 'methane-like' gases with irrelevant posts!

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ED1190

8 years ago

Originally Posted by DRP

It's VERY dead. But I'll let you guys keep deluding yourselves and lying to each other about your fake commissions. When it comes to ROI, the vast majority of you are better off working a part-time job. But fakers will be fakers, losers will be losers. I for one, will enlighten those who actually want to learn the reality about this industry...but it's not many.

I can pretty much venture to say it's NOT EVEN close to being dead, nor will it be (at least anytime soon, if ever).

Seems to me you tried affiliate marketing, failed, and are now bashing it. All your posts in this thread (and posting history) seem to be indicative of that. Maybe I'm wrong....

If you provide VALUE (this being the keyword), and treat your list right, you'll do fine with affiliate marketing. I don't have any experience in affiliate marketing, however, I'm speaking from experience being on different e-mail lists in the past.

I'm currently planning to launch a product, and hopefully if/when I have my own buyers list, I'll start dabbling into a bit of affiliate marketing myself. I plan to provide value first before I expect to get anything in return.

I agree with you on the fact that there a lot of scammers in this industry, but I know that there are a lot of good ones as well.

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LindyUK

8 years ago

Originally Posted by DRP

It's VERY dead. But I'll let you guys keep deluding yourselves and lying to each other about your fake commissions. When it comes to ROI, the vast majority of you are better off working a part-time job. But fakers will be fakers, losers will be losers. I for one, will enlighten those who actually want to learn the reality about this industry...but it's not many.

Hello DRP

You say "I for one, will enlighten those who actually want to learn the reality about this industry". Your "reality" seems to be that you are not successful in making money from Affiliate Marketing - thats your reality, and yes it is also reality for many others, but not for everyone.

I'm going to quote figures, you can call them fake if you want, I don't care a less. Affiliate Marketing is the smallest part of our Business now, has been for many years, but we still make around US$3 Million a year in Affiliate Commissions. Our Affiliate Division is run mainly by junior staff with one Supervisor.

The real resaon most people do not make much from Affiliate Marketing is that they do the same as everyone else, promote one product at a time, rely on SEO an Google etc for their traffic an sales.

Two years ago (Oct 2013) I posted a heap of information on a WF thread re Amazon, bout 46 pages of information an answers actually, bout how we did Affiliate Marketing. At that time we averaged US$40,000 a week in Affiliate Commissions. I mainly used examples from my 16 year old Daughter's website at that time, she had started her own IM Business's at 14, an at 16 was already making a few thousand dollars a week. She is only 18 now, and making over US$400,000 from her IM Busines's, mainly from Affiliate Marketing.

One other person in that thread, MYOB, was also giving great information on how he was making large Affiliate Commissions. He was also doing things very different to most others, an in a different way to us.

I suggest it might help you to go read what I an MYOB were teaching there. It wasn't our thread but we were both trying to help others by showing how you need to think differently.

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8 years ago

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LindyUK

8 years ago

Originally Posted by DRP

Lol I get it. Fake it til you make it and sig whoring.

You're completely delusional! If you're going to give fake statistics, at least try to make them believable.

MYOB is also not someone that is trustworthy, and preaches the disproven method known as "article marketing". So again, no dice.

Finally, you should read my responses before posting your uneducated opinion. I'm getting tired of people interjecting their idiotic opinions when they haven't read what I've had to say...or lack any real experience to justify their speculation.

DRP, my opinion of you, you know nothing whatever on this subject, full of self importance an utter BS. You are going to write an article in an academic journal? That would be right! lol. Most academics don't know the stuff all of what their talking bout, so you should fit right in! lol.

I pointed you to a thread where you could have learnt someting, but you couldn't be bothered to even glance at it. Cause you know it all. Or more to the point, you are a know all, who knows nothing!

My reference to MYOB. he was telling how he makes high value Amazon sales to Business's, using a team of Sales Reps. Nothing bout Article Marketing. You would have known that if you had bothered to read the posts.

I'll give you some more facts an figures, their sure to get your knickers in a bit more of a knot!

I mentioned we make US$3 Million a year from affiliate Marketing an it is the smallest part of our Business. We actually have a turnover of around US$14 Million (this year). Have around 60 full time staff, operate in 4 countries.

I'm not very formally educated, I tell my story or parts of it in some posts to inspire others. You would have read some of my story had you bothered. I was kicked out of home at 16 when I became pregnant an woudn't have an abortion. I couldn't even finish High School. On my own in London with a baby at 17. Couldn't even get a job till I was 21. Started in IM at 24 trying to sell ebooks on ebay, I made US$408 profit for my whole first year.

Then I met a man online who was involved in IM, hounded him until he agreed to mentor me, he eventually became my adopted Dad an we went into Business together. That was only bout 12 years ago, in that time we have built one of the world's largest IM Business's, growing at over a million dollars each year.

DRP, you don't stack up at all to me, nor to most here who have replied to you, having knowledge on this subject. You are the one who is delusional an idiotic, you are the one without first hand experience who seems to think he is an expert. An expert on BS is bout it. I don't care what your education is, you know next to nothing compared to me!

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DRP

8 years ago

Originally Posted by LindyUK

Blah blah blah blah I'm butthurt!!!
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Aww did I strike a nerve? You have no formal education so how dare you assume that academics are ignorant. Arguing with an idiot will make me an idiot so I'm going to ignore you from here on out.

Here's the final word. If anyone wants to challenge me and the objective truth here, then you have to agree on an interview with full disclosure.

If you or anyone else here isn't willing to do that, then we have nothing to talk about. I've already interviewed over 400 people so far for my "ignorant" academic research. The only way to sway someone like me is with the facts.

The facts.

Not speculation

Not feelings

Not woo woo sensationalism

FACTS.

So once again, put up or shut up. And read my full comments before interjecting with uneducated banter.

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LindyUK

8 years ago

Originally Posted by DRP

Aww did I strike a nerve? You have no formal education so how dare you assume that academics are ignorant. Arguing with an idiot will make me an idiot so I'm going to ignore you from here on out.

Here's the final word. If anyone wants to challenge me and the objective truth here, then you have to agree on an interview with full disclosure.

If you or anyone else here isn't willing to do that, then we have nothing to talk about. I've already interviewed over 400 people so far for my "ignorant" academic research. The only way to sway someone like me is with the facts.

The facts.

Not speculation

Not feelings

Not woo woo sensationalism

FACTS.

So once again, put up or shut up. And read my full comments before interjecting with uneducated banter.

DRP, women have the last word if you didn't know that fact!

No you havn't struck a nerve at all, I'm jus saying what I think, an what I'm sure a few others also think - you havn't got a clue what your talking bout!

You seem to be positioning yourself as an Expert on not knowing how to do Affiliate Marketing. I am an Expert on knowing how to do it. Hmm, I wonder which of us has the most valuable knowledge an skills?. Would it be the Guy that doesn't know how to do it???

While I'm at it, I mentioned Sherri, she's only 18 but you don't even equal her in knowledge on ths subject, an I'm sure your way down the ladder compared to her as far as income goes. But money an quality of life isn't everything, I'm sure you will feel justly rewarded seeing your name on your academic report. lol.

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DRP

8 years ago

Originally Posted by LindyUK

DRP, women have the last word if you didn't know that fact!

No you havn't struck a nerve at all, I'm jus saying what I think, an what I'm sure a few others also think - you havn't got a clue what your talking bout!

You seem to be positioning yourself as an Expert on not knowing how to do Affiliate Marketing. I am an Expert on knowing how to do it. Hmm, I wonder which of us has the most knowledge an skills?. Would it be the Guy that doesn't know how to do it???

While I'm at it, I mentioned Sherri, she's only 18 but you don't even equal her in knowledge on ths subject, an I'm sure your way down the ladder compared to her as far as income goes. But money an quality of life isn't everything, I'm sure you will feel justly rewarded seeing your name on your academic report. lol.

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Lindy

You're petty, immature, uneducated, and definitely poor. I pity you.

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LindyUK 8 years ago

Originally Posted by DRP

You're petty, immature, uneducated, and definitely poor. I pity you.

DRP, I thought you were going to ignore me, I must be striking a nerve. lol

Petty - think you left out the r, it should be spelt pretty! lol.

Immature - well I don't know, I'm 36 but I still like to have fun, I'm certainly not boring!

Uneducated - yes formally uneducated but so what? Being able to spell doesn't make you millions, it takes ideas, knowledge an skill, an I have those.

Definitely Poor - lol. I'd likely have more in my personal accounts than you have made in your lifetime. Our home/headquarters, a Manor House over 240 years old is worth over £4 Million, or nearly US$7 Million, I have the Porsche Carrera an RangeRover, Arabian Horse Farm, etc. So Poor? Well maybe compared to Richard Branson, but I'm only 36 so I have plenty of time yet.

You should have said I'm Annoying, cause I'm obviously annoying the hell out of you! lol. Now jus remember what you said, you were going to ignore me! lol.

Cheers

Lindy
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- DRP 8 years ago
  
  Youre completely delusional, manic, and certainly unstable. Not that you'd undersand big words. How many medications are you on?
  
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  southbaybones 8 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by DRP
  
  Youre completely delusional, manic, and certainly unstable. Not that you'd undersand big words. How many medications are you on?
  
  You are a joke bro. All you do is bash. What kind of contributions have you provided to this forum? Oh, and learn how to spell and use proper grammar. Lindy really has struck a nerve with you. Haha.
  
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  LindyUK 8 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by DRP
  
  Youre completely delusional, manic, and certainly unstable. Not that you'd undersand big words. How many medications are you on?
  
  DRP - you don't seem to like it much do you?, me being on your tail, you much prefer putting others down than being on the receiving end yourself.
  
  Your sence of self importance taking a little beating is it? Theres an old saying, if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen! I'm sure none of us will miss you here with your self righteous pompeous attitude. (Hope I spelt those words right but feel free to correct me if I didn't)
  
  Now you told me "You have no formal education so how dare you assume that academics are ignorant." In your case I don't have to assume, I only have to read your replies to others here to be certain of it.
  
  I seem to have reduced you to name calling, though you were calling others some names too, but your up to bigger names now with me - "delusional, manic, unstable". I already know those words, do you know any others? I'm always up for learning something new. lol.
  
  But no, those words don't descibe me at all, same with your comment bout medication or lack of formal education, that doesn't get to me either. Why do you think it would? I am quite open in telling people bout my life, I try to inspire people, where you rather bring people down with your self important attitude, even though you do not have the knowledge to back it up.
  
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nicheblogger75 8 years ago

Originally Posted by DRP

You're petty, immature, uneducated, and definitely poor. I pity you.

How could you say something like this about somebody you don't even know anything about?

I've read all of the posts you have made in this thread, and my impression of you is that you are someone who tried Affiliate Marketing and failed miserably. Therefore, you believe that since you didn't succeed as an Affiliate Marketer, it obviously must not work for anyone.

Well let me tell you, there are literally tens of thousands of people who are making a fantastic full-time living as Affiliate Marketers and there are probably hundreds of thousands more who are making a little extra money to supplement their income with it.

As more and more people join the millions who already shop online, Affiliate Marketing will only get bigger and bigger.

You have stated that you interviewed over 400 "experts." Either that's an outright lie, or you chose 400 of the dumbest experts alive because the REAL facts show that e-commerce is growing at a record rate. E-commerce and Affiliate Marketing are directly related in that the more goods that are sold online the more money will be paid out to Affiliate Marketers from companies like Amazon, Clickbank, eBay, Alibaba, etc.

Now I'm no Frank Kern or Russell Brunson by a long shot, but I have been making a comfortable living promoting other peoples' products since 2008. Am I special? Absolutely not. That is proof right there that if I'm doing it then thousands of other folks are too because if I can do it then anyone can.

Maybe instead of being so bitter you should find yourself a mentor and learn how to become a successful Affiliate Marketer so you can get your slice of the pie too. Just a thought.
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Brent Stangel

8 years ago

The "golden age" of rebills are long gone

But recurring payments is alive and doing very well.

The affiliates take most of the risks and spent and money to find correct traffic sources and figure out how to convert them to leads/sales.

I think it is quite equatable, actually. The vendor has all the research, testing, initial investment (time and money) CS, tech headaches, etc. etc. etc.

Having made the lions share of my online income as an affiliate I am quite grateful that some honest vendors created some quality products and made it very easy for me to sell them.

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Path Theory

8 years ago

99% of my experience in affiliate marketing has been in rebills. Diet/skin/muscle/hair. The rebill industry is still incredibly strong, and I'm constantly running offers with $5-$6 EPC on US and CA skin. Mids have become more accessible and there's more cap than ever.

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Robert King

8 years ago

If affiliate marketing is dead then why do ClickBank keep sending me money every couple of weeks ?

ClickBank, JVZoo, Commission Junction and such businesses rely on a pool of affiliate marketers, if affiliate marketing was dead then these would fall over - but they haven't and they won't anytime soon.

Why do Insurance comparison sites exist ? Or why do electricity & phone comparison sites exist ?

In Australia we have large enterprises who do nothing but affiliate marketing - the insurance, electricity and phone comparison sites are perfect examples. These businesses get a commission for every customer they sign up to any offer for electricity, phone services or insurance. They advertise in all forms of media and make many millions of dollars for their owners.

The people who cry 'Affiliate Marketing is Dead' are usually the people who are trying to push worthless products and services upon an increasingly sophisticated and informed market. There is no doubt the get rich quick days of selling shiny objects are over.

If you have a solid product to promote and target the right audience for your promotion there is no doubt that there are many opportunities to profit handsomely as an affiliate.

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Alex65

8 years ago

no it is not dead and it is not dying, it is constantly changing as much about IM ... you just have to be with open eyes and mind alert!!!!!

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SmartTim

8 years ago

It is surely not dead! I am a live proof, earning more than 4k per month passively using affiliate marketing. If it is dead, I cannot be earning that much at all. Well, it is dead because you do it wrongly.

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DRP

8 years ago

Originally Posted by SmartTim

It is surely not dead! I am a live proof, earning more than 4k per month passively using affiliate marketing. If it is dead, I cannot be earning that much at all. Well, it is dead because you do it wrongly.

Yeah, you're full of pish. You can't even write a coherent sentence in English, you're definitely not making money.

Originally Posted by Alex65

no it is not dead

You're wrong, noob.

Originally Posted by Robert King

If affiliate marketing is dead then why do ClickBank keep sending me money every couple of weeks ?

In Australia we have large enterprises who do nothing but affiliate marketing - the insurance, electricity and phone comparison sites are perfect examples. These businesses get a commission for every customer they sign up to any offer for electricity, phone services or insurance. They advertise in all forms of media and make many millions of dollars for their owners.

They don't. Put up or shut up. Also, do tell us about these "large enterprises"...specifically. The devil is in the details and this promises to be entertaining.

None of you people have any idea what you're talking about. You're basement keyboard warriors who only come here to socialize and boost your ego.

Affiliate marketing isn't a viable distribution model or business model. WHY?

If you contact the real companies that run aff programs (GameStop, Musician's friend, Blue Nile, etc) and ask them to share their annual reports. You'll find that their affiliate programs generate a negligible amount of revenue/profit for them.

In fact, for many companies, running an affiliate program is hazardous to their business, because affiliate fraud is rampant. And even if they're not subjected to fraud, they're subjected to paying affiliates for sales that would have happened anyway because their affiliates are using tactics to artificially generate sales. (cookie stuffing, fake coupons, etc)

So no, despite idiots preaching outdated tactics, and despite woo woo that gurus and sheeple say - affiliate marketing isn't a viable option. And it certainly isn't one for an unemployed person with only a little bit of financial capital at their disposal.

Remember, a certain someone spent their entire time on the WF writing essays detailing how they made all their imaginary internet money using nothing more than "article marketing", in time, the the truth came out that this was complete BS...and even the person in question wasn't who they said they were.

Stop talking out of your rear ends and stop misleading noobs with stars in their eyes. It's bad karma.

Oh, and if you are not willing to be audited to prove your false income claims, then be quiet. Put up or shut up.

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DIABL0 8 years ago

I've been promoting CPA/Affiliate offers for over 15 years and it still works and can be extremely profitable when done right.

I heavily promote PPL (pay per lead) offers, because there is no credit card required, all a user has to do is fill out a form and I make $20-$60 on average. Also, because no sale is required, conversion rates are much higher.

For traffic, I acquire fresh targeted data (email) which I know what the users are interested in and I know there's a ppl offer that matches their interest. I also generate real-time co-reg which I target specific ppl offers. There is other data that I work with, but it a bit more advance and beyond the scope of this post.

The reason I acquire data over other marketing methods is because I'm building assets that I then own and can market to over and over VS what most marketers do, which is to pay for traffic and then usually just end up with a bunch of one-time clicks and can't marker additional offers to.

Everyone that I know that's in the business, that knows what they are doing and it's much more involved then stated above, are doing 6-7 figures. While that is a very large range, much comes down to a persons ability to scale and then effectively manage the infrastructure that comes with scaling.

For many, CPA/affiliate marketing is thriving!
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Robert King

8 years ago

Originally Posted by DRP

They don't. Put up or shut up. Also, do tell us about these "large enterprises"...specifically. The devil is in the details and this promises to be entertaining.

You are wrong. You wanted details of these large enterprises making money as affiliates of larger companies, so here they are for you.

http://www.comparethemarket.com.au

Compare the Market has been running a UK and Australian advertising campaign with millions of dollars of spend. They provide a service where people can compare insurance policies and then buy one. On every sale they take a cut, representing over 30 insurance brands.

http://youcompare.com.au

You Compare is an electricity comparison service, they are affiliated with 12 different power companies all competing for your dollar. They take a cut from every sale they refer. They have an estimated combined advertising spend of around $30k per month.

http://youcompare.com.au/mobilephones

You compare also offer the same service for mobile phones and phone plans from all of the Australian service providers and make a commission on every sale referred.

(I have no affiliation with the above examples)

These are just a few examples of large affiliates who are in nothing but the business of being an affiliate, they drive sales and profit handsomely as a result.

Affiliate Marketing is alive and well, it's around us every day and plays into many of our transactions without us even realising it. Case in point is that the people who use these comparison services won't always realise that no matter what plan they choose that the comparison service makes a cut. They are just happy to have found a good deal.

As for newbies in Affiliate Marketing, they stand as much chance of making money as anybody else - with one caveat - and that is that it requires a certain level of skill and hard work to ramp up. Most people who have a dream of making it with Affiliate Marketing just aren't prepared to put in the effort or lack the basic skills required.

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DRP

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Robert King

You are wrong. You wanted details of these large enterprises making money as affiliates of larger companies, so here they are for you.

http://www.comparethemarket.com.au

I'm more than happy to discuss this and research this in a civil manner, but that's not the attitude found around here. Anyway...

Citing exceptions to the rule is an exercise in futility, and intellectual dishonesty. What I'm saying applies to enough people to be considered a rule. It's like citing Steve Jobs or Bill Gates and saying that anybody can start a billion dollar company...that's not true...they are exceptions to the common denominator. So even assuming that your examples are correct, it still wouldn't change the fact that most people shouldn't even bother with IM/AM/MLM. To that end...

In order to really do justice here, I'd have to contact these companies and request information on their financials. I have done this many times and can certainly do it here. More often than not, I can get a look at a company's financials. And more often than not, they financials are found most wanting. So just citing a website and claiming that they make money is a declarative statement, and can't really be taken at face value. We'd really have to analyze the details, and I've done much more of this than most anyone here.

Originally Posted by Robert King

Compare the Market has been running a UK and Australian advertising campaign with millions of dollars of spend. They provide a service where people can compare insurance policies and then buy one. On every sale they take a cut, representing over 30 insurance brands.

Compare & Save Hundreds on Energy, Health Insurance, Broadband, Phones & More

This site is brand new, and doesn't even have enough information on it via Alexa, which is also a testament to how new it is. I seriously doubt it's turning a profit at this time...but again, I'd have to get a look at its financials...which I'm more than happy to do.

Originally Posted by Robert King

You Compare is an electricity comparison service, they are affiliated with 12 different power companies all competing for your dollar. They take a cut from every sale they refer. They have an estimated combined advertising spend of around $30k per month.

Compare Mobile Phones Plans and Deals. Get the best mobile phone plans in Australia

You compare also offer the same service for mobile phones and phone plans from all of the Australian service providers and make a commission on every sale referred.

(I have no affiliation with the above examples)

Again, same story here. I could say "look at the Koran! Checkmate non-believers, that's proof of Allah." But we all know that's an insufficient argument now don't we?

Originally Posted by Robert King

These are just a few examples of large affiliates who are in nothing but the business of being an affiliate, they drive sales and profit handsomely as a result.

Affiliate Marketing is alive and well, it's around us every day and plays into many of our transactions without us even realising it. Case in point is that the people who use these comparison services won't always realise that no matter what plan they choose that the comparison service makes a cut. They are just happy to have found a good deal.

You're making gross assumptions (based on zero evidence) that these are:

1. Large enterprises.
2. Profitable/solvent enterprises.
3. Affiliate marketing is "alive and well".

It's alive in the same way that the lottery is. But it's not at all well, and certainly not a viable option for most people...just like the lottery or gambling.

Originally Posted by Robert King

As for newbies in Affiliate Marketing, they stand as much chance of making money as anybody else - with one caveat - and that is that it requires a certain level of skill and hard work to ramp up. Most people who have a dream of making it with Affiliate Marketing just aren't prepared to put in the effort or lack the basic skills required.

No, they absolutely DO NOT. Also, you're forgetting another critical element to success in business. CAPITAL. And financial capital is something terribly lacking for almost everyone that tries making a go of internet marketing.

Like I said, I'm more than happy to conduct more research on this. But so farm the actual evidence is supporting my current position on the matter.

I'd be more than happy to interview you as well, and get financials on your own operations.

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Robert King

8 years ago

Originally Posted by DRP

I'm more than happy to discuss this and research this in a civil manner, but that's not the attitude found around here. Anyway...

That's good, however you go on an awful lot about "research" when you seem incapable of actually doing any. Case in point re Compare The Market

Originally Posted by DRP

This site is brand new, and doesn't even have enough information on it via Alexa, which is also a testament to how new it is. I seriously doubt it's turning a profit at this time...but again, I'd have to get a look at its financials...which I'm more than happy to do.

Compare the Market is owned by Budget Holdings Limited (BGL). BGL, in turn, owns insurance giant Auto and General, the parent company of brand names like car insurer Budget Direct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGL_Group

The site is not brand new, Compare The Market has been operating in Australia using that domain for years and it's original stake was in the UK and South African markets with that brand. It also runs successful advertising campaigns for the brand using Meerkats - anyone in Australia or the UK would know their ads well.

When you're not prepared to do basic research, yet howl down any examples of successful affiliate marketing then it's absolutely pointless to continue any form of debate with you.

So you go on believing whatever makes you happy.

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8 years ago

Originally Posted by Robert King

That's good............

So when can I interview YOU and take a look at YOUR operations, financials, profit, and loss? I'm up for it.

Also, please don't insult my intelligence. I guarantee that I've done much more "basic" research than you have on a great many things.

Browsing Google and Wikipedia IS NOT research...for the record. It seems that you have internet browsing confused with research. Do you think Vaccines cause Autism, too?

Anytime you want to conduct that interview, I'll be more than happy to.

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8 years ago

Originally Posted by DRP

So when can I interview YOU and take a look at YOUR operations, financials, profit, and loss? I'm up for it.

That's never going to happen.

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8 years ago

Originally Posted by DRP

That's never going to happen. Because I don't make any money online and would be too embarrassed to show anyone the truth. I have no idea what I'm talking about. I just like defending my delusions with gross over-simplifications and making declarative statements.

I fixed that for you.

HN, I thought they banned you from here. You leave this gigantic "I'm a dick" footprint that can be spotted from miles away.

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8 years ago

Originally Posted by ED1190

I can pretty much venture to say it's NOT EVEN close to being dead, nor will it be (at least anytime soon, if ever).

I don't have any experience in affiliate marketing, however, I'm speaking from experience being on different e-mail lists in the past.

I'm currently planning to launch a product, and hopefully if/when I have my own buyers list, I'll start dabbling into a bit of affiliate marketing myself.

You've been nicer than most, but do you realize that you're speculating without any actual experience on the matter? by your own admission, you're inexperienced in both the affiliate and vendor side.

I'm not speculating and i encourage you to go back through my posts and read them. I explain things objectively as they are.

I'm even working on research on this matter that will be published in an academic journal. So again, this isn't speculation. There's a strong positive correlation with what I've been saying all along.

Originally Posted by SteveJohnson

HN, I thought they banned you from here. You leave this gigantic "I'm a dick" footprint that can be spotted from miles away.

HN? Whoever you think I am, you're wrong. I also love how you can get away with breaking the rules by insulting me.

This is a forum, and interjecting dissenting discussion shouldn't be censored. Doing so is extremely totalitarian.

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8 years ago

Originally Posted by DRP

HN? Whoever you think I am, you're wrong. I also love how you can get away with breaking the rules by insulting me.

This is a forum, and interjecting dissenting discussion shouldn't be censored. Doing so is extremely totalitarian.

I find this hilarious, thanks. You do little here but harass and insult, bringing absolutely nothing to the conversation. I've found over the years that people who act this way usually have spent a number of years in higher education without really accomplishing anything, and have an annoying tendency to compensate for that failure by lashing out at the normal folk, to whom they privately feel vastly inferior, thinking they are proving their superiority when they are proving the opposite.

This is a private forum, the owners can censor whatever they want; totalitarianism is their privilege.

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8 years ago

Originally Posted by DRP

You've been nicer than most, but do you realize that you're speculating without any actual experience on the matter? by your own admission, you're inexperienced in both the affiliate and vendor side.

I'm not speculating and i encourage you to go back through my posts and read them. I explain things objectively as they are.

I'm even working on research on this matter that will be published in an academic journal. So again, this isn't speculation. There's a strong positive correlation with what I've been saying all along.

HN? Whoever you think I am, you're wrong. I also love how you can get away with breaking the rules by insulting me.

This is a forum, and interjecting dissenting discussion shouldn't be censored. Doing so is extremely totalitarian.

Aren't you doing the SAME THING in this thread, but even worse?

I can respect different opinions, but not when you're insulting people.

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discrat

8 years ago

Originally Posted by DRP

Yeah, you're full of pish. You can't even write a coherent sentence in English, you're definitely not making money.

You're wrong, noob.

They don't. Put up or shut up. Also, do tell us about these "large enterprises"...specifically. The devil is in the details and this promises to be entertaining.

None of you people have any idea what you're talking about. You're basement keyboard warriors who only come here to socialize and boost your ego.

Affiliate marketing isn't a viable distribution model or business model. WHY?

If you contact the real companies that run aff programs (GameStop, Musician's friend, Blue Nile, etc) and ask them to share their annual reports. You'll find that their affiliate programs generate a negligible amount of revenue/profit for them.

In fact, for many companies, running an affiliate program is hazardous to their business, because affiliate fraud is rampant. And even if they're not subjected to fraud, they're subjected to paying affiliates for sales that would have happened anyway because their affiliates are using tactics to artificially generate sales. (cookie stuffing, fake coupons, etc)

So no, despite idiots preaching outdated tactics, and despite woo woo that gurus and sheeple say - affiliate marketing isn't a viable option. And it certainly isn't one for an unemployed person with only a little bit of financial capital at their disposal.

Remember, a certain someone spent their entire time on the WF writing essays detailing how they made all their imaginary internet money using nothing more than "article marketing", in time, the the truth came out that this was complete BS...and even the person in question wasn't who they said they were.

Stop talking out of your rear ends and stop misleading noobs with stars in their eyes. It's bad karma.

Oh, and if you are not willing to be audited to prove your false income claims, then be quiet. Put up or shut up.

Glad to see you back, HN ( well not really)

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Originally Posted by discrat

Glad to see you back, HN ( well not really)

He pretty much gave himself up by his response. Someone who didn't know who HN was would've thought that was an acronym for something like 'BTW' or 'IMHO' - not a person.
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dlane1987

8 years ago

Not dead and probably never will die. It just keeps growing with the net. Which means more money but more competition. Keep up or die.

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Melvin Gonzalez 8 years ago

it's constantly changing.

New traffic sources are being found everyday, if you don't think so take a look at the Warrior Special Offers page and see the many new courses there talking about new secret traffic sources.

Internet marketing is evolving each and every day.
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8 years ago

There seems to be a shift towards eCommerce these days, and selling
hard products. With the skills learned from Internet marketing the
transition is not a hard one at all. The landscape have definitely
changed.

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Banned 8 years ago

It's dead for those guys who promote and promote without giving any value in return. In the end, no one buys, and they lists become dead or burned out.

It's still very much alive for marketers who are in the marketplace to provide value and give before expecting anything in return.

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Randall Magwood

8 years ago

Internet marketing and affiliate marketing is not dead. Sites like Orbitz, Hotwire, Travelocity, and Expedia make a killing everyday.

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8 years ago

It is NOT DEAD! I'm earning a lot of money out of affiliate marketing! DEAD because you don't know how to do it! Many affiliates like matthew woodward earning 10k per month!

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8 years ago

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8 years ago

hey DRP if you're so great and you have interviewed over 400 people why don't you give us a little glimpse.

Otherwise you're the one FOS!

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gjabiz

8 years ago

The need for customers isn't going away, the person who can deliver customers to a business, will always find a welcome "affiliation".

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Originally Posted by ChrisBa

I'm not sure about everyone else on here, but I seem to hear this phrase at least once a week if not more. Normally it's from someone who is either struggling, giving up or just starting.

I should also note, I've been hearing this phrase since 2007 (if not earlier), so I can tell you that it is far from the truth.

Yes, things have changed. The "golden age" of rebills are long gone, and good thing for that.

The thing we need to know, is everything is constantly changing in this industry. If you want to be able to keep up, you need to adapt. A line I've heard several times - "Adapt or die".

In my opinion, there will always be several ways to make money online, there will likely always be performance based marketing (cpa, affiliate marketing, internet marketing), the reason is it makes so much sense for the advertisers - it makes sense because they pay for results. The affiliates take most of the risks and spent and money to find correct traffic sources and figure out how to convert them to leads/sales.

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8 years ago

I've pretty much been doing the same thing since 2008 - collect targeted leads => market appropriate digital products via email. Still works like a charm and every year I do better and better.

Internet Marketing will never die it will only get bigger and better.

As far as those who think it's dead, I have no problem with them at all. The quicker they give up and walk away the less competition there is and I can make even more sales

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8 years ago

I suppose Henry Ford was an uneducated idiot too in DRP's 'personal interpretation' of what success means by his/her or even from perhaps a he/she vantage point.

As I am not nearly as successful as Lindy, I too lack having a formal education, and dropped out to go to work at age 15 in 7th grade.

By age 18, I had created my 1st offline business generating 500% - 800% returns selling pre-packaged ice cream, soda pop, and snacks!

Everyone 'ridiculed' my idea (which actually spawned from a Cheech & Chong movie, lol) - but, after I continually sustained pulling down $1200 - $1500 per week PROFIT... my friends and family stopped laughing! - And I laughed as they went through their 9-5 hell for 1/3 of what I earned working only part-time!

Ultimately, I have since learned several offline trades, and have had several successful offline ventures (by definition - successful being I earned over $100k per year.) Perhaps, I am no Andrew Carnegie... But, having earned in excess of $3 million dollars in my 30 years of exploration... I find 'close minded people' really f'ing annoying!

It provokes the worst in me, and regardless of the 'Where?' - or- the 'How? others define success, it takes courage, risk, research, tools, and a brain to achieve & sustain results in any 'business venture'.

To enter an online marketing forum dedicated to some left field analogy that MYOB or other successful marketers cannot generate leads & sales through informative written pieces, and generate recurring income from those writings is a lie YOU (DRP) just keep telling yourself... cause clearly, your offensive 'close minded' arrogance is about as welcome here as that of a relgious fanatic hellbent on exploiting their willfull ignorance upon us.

Believe what you will...

Perhaps, article marketing, affiliate marketing, internet marketing, network marketing, or even multi-level marketing isn't your cup of tea... But, professing horse piss holds more flavor than rootbeer is about as foolish as your contempt against 'affiliate marketing' is here!

Just out curiousity 'professor' - "what enlightening message have you to convey?"

After all, I haven't found a shred of benefit, value, or the slighest hint of solution, remedy, or sustaining desire to respect YOU know Jack Shitte about ANY business... Online or Off!

All the while, I have emassed a small fortune of knowledge from MYOB and several others whom you 'blindly' profess are all liars, fakes, and unfit to share valuable insights, knowledge, and experience here, and all-the-while, you've contributed nothing to this thread!!! (Less your opinions which clearly are like a-holes and easily recognized as being full of sh!t!

If affiliate marketing is dead, then please do tell; how you've derived ay this conclusion? - as my 7th grade education behooves me to imagine you Sir have anything of value to sell me... Or anyone here who knows better than to challenge another woman or man's definition of success!

To do so... not only proves the measure of such willfull and intentional ignorance, it radiates a fear you possess (disbelief) and as such only portrays what a 'closed mind' you are operating from!

I however embrace such challenges, for the most brilliant minds NEVER approach from sheer speculation, as opposed to studying & researching the possibilities, and while faith cannot be measured... The results CAN, and with most creative minds the impossible becomes possible.

Have some faith, don't knock it til you try it, unless you prefer horse piss?

Personally, I prefer rootbeer... Cause it's my f'ing choice...

To each their own!

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8 years ago

Wow. You have quite an impressive experience. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and story! It really motivates me

Originally Posted by art72

I suppose Henry Ford was an uneducated idiot too in DRP's 'personal interpretation' of what success means by his/her or even from perhaps a he/she vantage point.

As I am not nearly as successful as Lindy, I too lack having a formal education, dropped out to go to work at age 15.

By age 18, I had created my 1st offline business generating 500% - 800% returns selling pre-packaged ice cream, soda pop, and snacks!

Everyone 'ridiculed' my idea (which actually spawned from a Cheech & Chong movie, lol) - but, continually pulling down $1200 - $1500 per week PROFIT... my friends ans family stopped laughing!

Ultimately, I learned several offline trades, and have had several successful offline ventures (by definition - successful being I earned over $100k per year.) Perhaps, I am no Andrew Carnegie... But, having earned in excess of $3 million dollars in my 30 years of exploration... I find 'close minded people' really f'ing annoying!

It provokes the worst in me, and regardless of the 'Where?' - or- the 'How? others define success, it takes courage, risk, research, tools, and a brain to achieve & sustain results in any 'business venture'.

To enter an online marketing forum dedicated to some left field analogy that MYOB or other successful marketers cannot generate leads & sales through informative written pieces, andgenerate recurring income from those writings is a lie YOU (DRP) just keep telling yourself... cause clearly, you offensive 'close minded' arrogance is about as welcome here as that of a relgious fanatic hellbent on exploiting their ignorance.

Perhaps, article marketing, affiliate marketing, internet marketing, network marketing, or even multi-level marketing isn't yourcup of tea... But, professing horse piss holds more flavor than rootbeer is about as foolish as your contempt against 'affiliate marketing' as a whole.

Just out curiousity 'professor' - "what enlightening message have you to convey?"

After all, I haven't found a shred of benefit, value, or the slighest hint of solution, remedy, or sustaining desire to respect YOU know Jack Shitte about ANY business... Online or Off!

All the while, I have emassed a small fortune of knowledge from MYOB and several others whom you 'blindly' profess are all liars, fakes, and unfit to share valuable insights, knowledge, and experience here, and all-the-while, you've contributed nothing to this thread!!! (Less your opinions which clearly are like a-holes and easily recognized as being full of sh!t!

If affiliate marketing is dead, then please do tell how you've derived ay this conclusion, as my 7th grade education behooves me to imagine you Sir have anything of value to sell me... Or anyone here who knows better than to challenge another woman or man's definition of success!

To do so... not only proves the measure of such willfull and intentional ignorance, it radiates a fear you possess (disbelief) and as such only portrays what a 'closed mind' you are operating from!

I how embrace such challenges, for the most brilliant minds NEVER approach from sheer speculation, as opposed to studying & researching the possibilities, and while faith cannot be measured... The results CAN, and with most creative minds the impossible becomes possible.

Have some faith, don't knock it til you try it, unless you prefer horse piss?

Personally, I prefer rootbeer... Cause it's my f'ing choice...

To each their own!

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8 years ago

Originally Posted by art72

I suppose Henry Ford was an uneducated idiot too in DRP's 'personal interpretation' of what success means by his/her or even from perhaps a he/she vantage point.

As I am not nearly as successful as Lindy, I too lack having a formal education, and dropped out to go to work at age 15 in 7th grade.

By age 18, I had created my 1st offline business generating 500% - 800% returns selling pre-packaged ice cream, soda pop, and snacks!

Everyone 'ridiculed' my idea (which actually spawned from a Cheech & Chong movie, lol) - but, after I continually sustained pulling down $1200 - $1500 per week PROFIT... my friends and family stopped laughing! - And I laughed as they went through their 9-5 hell for 1/3 of what I earned working only part-time!

Ultimately, I have since learned several offline trades, and have had several successful offline ventures (by definition - successful being I earned over $100k per year.) Perhaps, I am no Andrew Carnegie... But, having earned in excess of $3 million dollars in my 30 years of exploration... I find 'close minded people' really f'ing annoying!

It provokes the worst in me, and regardless of the 'Where?' - or- the 'How? others define success, it takes courage, risk, research, tools, and a brain to achieve & sustain results in any 'business venture'.

To enter an online marketing forum dedicated to some left field analogy that MYOB or other successful marketers cannot generate leads & sales through informative written pieces, and generate recurring income from those writings is a lie YOU (DRP) just keep telling yourself... cause clearly, your offensive 'close minded' arrogance is about as welcome here as that of a relgious fanatic hellbent on exploiting their willfull ignorance upon us.

Believe what you will...

Perhaps, article marketing, affiliate marketing, internet marketing, network marketing, or even multi-level marketing isn't your cup of tea... But, professing horse piss holds more flavor than rootbeer is about as foolish as your contempt against 'affiliate marketing' is here!

Just out curiousity 'professor' - "what enlightening message have you to convey?"

After all, I haven't found a shred of benefit, value, or the slighest hint of solution, remedy, or sustaining desire to respect YOU know Jack Shitte about ANY business... Online or Off!

All the while, I have emassed a small fortune of knowledge from MYOB and several others whom you 'blindly' profess are all liars, fakes, and unfit to share valuable insights, knowledge, and experience here, and all-the-while, you've contributed nothing to this thread!!! (Less your opinions which clearly are like a-holes and easily recognized as being full of sh!t!

If affiliate marketing is dead, then please do tell; how you've derived ay this conclusion? - as my 7th grade education behooves me to imagine you Sir have anything of value to sell me... Or anyone here who knows better than to challenge another woman or man's definition of success!

To do so... not only proves the measure of such willfull and intentional ignorance, it radiates a fear you possess (disbelief) and as such only portrays what a 'closed mind' you are operating from!

I however embrace such challenges, for the most brilliant minds NEVER approach from sheer speculation, as opposed to studying & researching the possibilities, and while faith cannot be measured... The results CAN, and with most creative minds the impossible becomes possible.

Have some faith, don't knock it til you try it, unless you prefer horse piss?

Personally, I prefer rootbeer... Cause it's my f'ing choice...

To each their own!

Hello Art72

I loved reading your story, you should be very proud of yourself. I am guessing you are likely to be American, but you would know of Richard Branson,(Virgin) he dropped out of school at 16 an also created his first Business, a College Magazine at 16. He is now a Billionare.

You do not need higher education to be successful, you mainly need ambition, drive an passion, an belief in yourself. You can learn the skills you need as you go along. You have to be willing to work hard, but if your doing something you love it isn't like work. My Dad an I still work 16 hour work days throughout the week, we don't have to but it isn't like work to us, it is more like pure fun working together an with our staff. Richard Branson still has this same attitude too.

In my replies to DRP it might have sounded like I was speaking for myself, partly true re my personal story but as far as our Business goes I also speak for my Dad an for our staff. We are more like a large family, our employees share in our rewards, we could not have the success we enjoy without them.

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art72

8 years ago

Originally Posted by LindyUK

Hello Art72

I loved reading your story, you should be very proud of yourself. I am guessing you are likely to be American, but you would know of Richard Branson,(Virgin) he dropped out of school at 16 an also created his first Business, a College Magazine at 16. He is now a Billionare.

You do not need higher education to be successful, you mainly need ambition, drive an passion, an belief in yourself. You can learn the skills you need as you go along. You have to be willing to work hard, but if your doing something you love it isn't like work. My Dad an I still work 16 hour work days throughout the week, we don't have to but it isn't like work to us, it is more like pure fun working together an with our staff. Richard Branson still has this same attitude too.

In my replies to DRP it might have sounded like I was speaking for myself, partly true re my personal story but as far as our Business goes I also speak for my Dad an for our staff. We are more like a large family, our employees share in our rewards, we could not have the success we enjoy without them.

Cheers

Lindy

You are correct, I am an (Irish/English) American.

I am familiar with Richard Branson's story, and find it fascinating when people overcome what many consider impossible odds, and rewrite the playbooks with hard work, dedication, ambition, and a desire to 'think outside the box'.

Another Billionaire who dropped out of school early in life is Ed Mercer, if I remember correctly, he holds a world record for creating either 25 or 50 millionaires?

Memory escapes me to the 'exact' number of millionaires he's created and mentored, but more importantly; he overcame his 'lack thereof' and chose to become something greater... a philanthropist.

I learned of him when he joined Organo Gold, and was attempting to create 100 millionaires under his direct sponsorship. For reasons unknown, he has since left OG, and is rumored to be 'partnered' with a rather shady character pushing 'pain patches' or some oddball business venture. I generally steer clear of MLM's personally.

Ultimately, I have little regrets for my prior decisions to quit school, as much can be learned in the trenches of life itself, and education (in my opinion) is merely a relentless pursuit of understanding, knowledge, and wisdom... and having the common courtesy to admit; you can never know enough! ( *unlike some attempt to portray.)

So, the 'How' and the 'Who' one obtains knowledge from is secondary to 'What' they do with the knowledge, as that is 'Where' true success is found.

Lastly, I appreciate your sincere compliment, and while the word 'proud' is not a bad thing, as a result of economic downturns in the US, the term definitely holds a bit of a lackluster appeal to what I once believed being a proud American once meant and stood for.

Also, I admire the fact, your business is run from a 'family mindset' - as Pink Floyd says it so eloquently; "Together we stand, divided we fall".

Perhaps, the lyric; "no matter how he tried, he could not break free, and the worms ate into his brain" best describes DRB's current mindset, as it appears he's overdosed on some (over-zealous) academic war path!

In closing, I truly hope my current pursuit enables me to unite my 3 children (17, 19, and 21) to become a part of the internet business I am engineering and relentlessly pursuing.

Sadly, convincing people of the limitless opportunities available online has yet to surpass the entertainment value many place on the tools we are afforded to reach beyond the barriers of traditional offline businesses.

Ironically, most want to 'see' results before putting in their time, and no amount of interviews will convince me that 'affiliate marketing' will ever truly die, for the assumption alone would parallel a false belief that 'networking' and utilizing the minds, talents, and skills of others is dying or dead too! (NOT!)

To Your Continuum of Success... Keep it real, and be blessed!

Art

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8 years ago

Get back to mcdonalds, Internet is dead !

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kimanierick

8 years ago

internet marketing will never die, infact it is still in the early stages of life with all the energy. It is growing and changing its features, new forms are developing just like in a growing being. Yes it is not the same like in the past and has become more challenging to some. new techniques are coming up, the marketing is evolving and any marketer must adapt or else the system will push them out frustrated. All we need is learn to keep up with the trend. Internet marketing is not near to dead.

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8 years ago

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8 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

As long as you have Coaches who are motivated to teach others how to be Coaches who in turn teach others how to teach others how to teach others how to teach others how to be Coaches...then IM will
NEVER Die !!! Bhwahahahaha

- Robert Andrew

That seems to be the trick though. How do I find these coaches? I've been learning all I can on my own, but some coaching would really help things. All I want is to learn how to do IM properly and then once I am competent enough, help others. Where do I find Yoda?

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