Are all content writers so slow and...

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Hello All,

All content writers I have been working with, they are so slow!
First when you hire them, they promise to be fast and to write thousands of words per day, but just when you pay, you have to say for days and days to see what will happen by chance! Time is money fro us as persons who make money from net, So this is a very bad phenomenon for us...

One of the last writers I worked with, he took $50 and NEVER came back with a content!
The other is so slow, The next one is not a writer and so on and so forth,

What's the solution mates?
I am looking for a pro and perfect writer who really fulfills his/her promises. Do you know any?

Thanks.
#content #slow #writers
  • Profile picture of the author Steve L
    Maybe try paying only half upfront and half when finished work is delivered?
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    Well, hook it up with escrow, man. They get paid when they deliver, and can have peace of mind they'll get the money on delivery. If they don't deliver, don't pay them. And fire 'em. The freelance sites use it all the time.

    But yea, "employees" who under perform? That's par for the course. You gotta find the diamond in the rough.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cali16
    Originally Posted by wizard12 View Post

    I am looking for a pro and perfect writer who really fulfills his/her promises. Do you know any?
    There's always a risk, unfortunately, of someone not fulfilling his or her promise (to pay or to deliver). However, that doesn't excuse your writers from not delivering.

    How much are you willing to pay a "pro and perfect" writer?

    Truly professional writers will deliver, but they usually expect to be paid upfront. It's generally best to find someone with a solid reputation, but don't expect to hire them for peanuts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    If I wrote $5 articles, then I'll have to write a lot of articles to make a
    living, which can lead to burnout. So on the lower end of the totem pole,
    you're going to find this kind of behavior is quite common, EXCEPT you are
    dealing with an "agency" who hires these writers.

    You deserve to get what you paid for, but the lower the pay, the more
    likely you won't get what you are looking for.

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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    Raydal, you're right.

    What are you paying? Where are you getting your writer's from?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    As a level 2 ghostwriter on Fiverr.com, and as someone who is constantly hounded by my previous clients to write more content now that I've retired from that avenue (lol), allow me to give you one tiny piece of advice...

    If you ever find a ghostwriter who doesn't suck... Pay them well, and compliment their work.

    Because quality freelance writers, can typically make more money writing for themselves, so treat them like gold.



    Just my humble $.02, and I wish you the absolute best.
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    • Profile picture of the author Raydal
      Originally Posted by Sarevok View Post

      As a level 2 ghostwriter on Fiverr.com, and as someone who is constantly hounded by my previous clients to write more content now that I've retired from that avenue (lol), allow me to give you one tiny piece of advice...
      If you ever find a ghostwriter who doesn't suck... Pay them well, and compliment their work.
      Because quality freelance writers, can typically make more money writing for themselves, so treat them like gold.


      Just my humble $.02, and I wish you the absolute best.
      And that's the whole point. If a writer is good and charging little for his work,
      he will get swamped. Meaning? You'll either get long delays in getting the
      work or a drop in quality.

      1. Cheap 2. Fast 3. Good ---Pick two, because you can't have all three.

      -Ray Edwards
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      • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
        Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

        And that's the whole point. If a writer is good and charging little for his work,
        he will get swamped. Meaning? You'll either get long delays in getting the
        work or a drop in quality.

        1. Cheap 2. Fast 3. Good ---Pick two, because you can't have all three.

        -Ray Edwards
        I love that.



        Stay cool Mr. Edwards... Rock on!
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      • Profile picture of the author tdadkins
        Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

        And that's the whole point. If a writer is good and charging little for his work,
        he will get swamped. Meaning? You'll either get long delays in getting the
        work or a drop in quality.

        1. Cheap 2. Fast 3. Good ---Pick two, because you can't have all three.

        -Ray Edwards
        That is very correct. You get to pick 2 of the 3! If its done too fast it probability wont be very good!
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      • Profile picture of the author ajbarnes777
        Originally Posted by Raydal View Post


        1. Cheap 2. Fast 3. Good ---Pick two, because you can't have all three.

        -Ray Edwards
        100% gold.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jennifer Hutson
    Like Ray said, this normally only happens with low-tier writers. Do 50-50 upfront payment and make sure you sign a contract. Only hire reputable writers who have proven track records.

    If you're finding these people through forums or other websites that aren't specifically for hiring freelancers, make sure they have their own business website. If they don't, it's usually a sign they're less serious about their business.
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  • Profile picture of the author godinu
    serious content writers -- those who make their living writing -- deliver on time. Hunt around for writers that have samples of their work, such as an online portfolio, so you can tell they really are writers. Also as stated above, pay good writers fairly once you find them and they will gladly deliver on time. If you are constantly having a problem with slow or no delivery, you really need to think about why. Are you paying too little? Are you giving them the information they need to complete the job? Are you finding real writers?
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    • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
      Real writers actually deliver their works fast as they are consider free lance or even full time writing articles for others.

      Perhaps slow to get maybe they have many orders and only he/she alone writing don't have a team.


      Other , outsource to another writes with huge team writers.
      whereas some individuals act like " middle man "No real writers they more selling a service to customers for a bit profits.
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  • Profile picture of the author SmartTim
    The best is to write yourself if possible. Tried hiring people from India, Indonesia, all they are bad writers big time. Best is to look for native English writers. They are the best out of all! However you need to pay a price tags for those good writers. Cheap writers generally produces shit content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex The Lion
    Most respectable freelance websites provide reviews and milestones. Protect yourself with milestones and read reviews before you hire
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  • Profile picture of the author wordpressmania
    I am also trying to get a good writer. But I found the writers are really slow. May be most of the writers ate not happy what they are doing. They does not enjoy what they do. So the problem is with writers.
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  • Profile picture of the author 1Bryan
    Originally Posted by wizard12 View Post

    Hello All,

    I am looking for a pro and perfect writer
    There is no such thing as a perfect writer. An experienced writer is also good on the business end. Meaning, they know how to turn-around work on time. At the same time, though, if you expect perfection ... you are already starting off with unreal expectations.

    Perfect can't be conceptualized.

    Everyone has a different picture of what that is. If you can't convey what perfect means to you ...

    Don't expect to have reality match your expectations.

    It's a 2-way street.

    That said, you'll know a good writer when you find one. They operate differently. They ask questions and they make sure all expectations are understood upfront.

    A good client does the same thing. They ask questions to make sure the assignment is understood and they are clear about what the end result should look like.

    Because, in order for it to be a 2-way street, both parties have to do their part.
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  • Profile picture of the author sweetcrabhoney18
    Great writers are out there. They cost good money in order to delivery great services on time.

    I know in my 11 years of freelance writing in the first few years I would deliver orders super quickly. These days quick delivery cost extra because I have so many open orders not everyone can get their work completed in two or three days.

    It might be time to hunt for writers on a different platform .

    Best of luck finding an awesome writer -- they are out there ; don't lose all your faith.
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  • Profile picture of the author JeremyBlaze
    Originally Posted by wizard12 View Post

    Hello All,

    All content writers I have been working with, they are so slow!
    First when you hire them, they promise to be fast and to write thousands of words per day, but just when you pay, you have to say for days and days to see what will happen by chance! Time is money fro us as persons who make money from net, So this is a very bad phenomenon for us...

    One of the last writers I worked with, he took $50 and NEVER came back with a content!
    The other is so slow, The next one is not a writer and so on and so forth,

    What's the solution mates?
    I am looking for a pro and perfect writer who really fulfills his/her promises. Do you know any?

    Thanks.
    I can do it FREE. I am in need of reviews because I am going to start a writing business.
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    • Profile picture of the author 1Bryan
      Originally Posted by JeremyBlaze View Post

      I can do it FREE. I am in need of reviews because I am going to start a writing business.
      I might be on the wrong forum. I CAN'T do it for free. Because I'm good.
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      • Profile picture of the author JeremyBlaze
        Originally Posted by 1Bryan View Post

        I might be on the wrong forum. I CAN'T do it for free. Because I'm good.
        Ok...? Point?
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        • Profile picture of the author 1Bryan
          Originally Posted by JeremyBlaze View Post

          Ok...? Point?
          Good writers don't blatantly solicit for work for FREE.

          That's sales 101. Your market doesn't believe that good writers are begging for free work. And you have to meet the market where they are in order to effectively sell them.

          Plus, I was under the impression that blatantly soliciting like you are isn't supposed to fly here.

          Maybe it is?

          Still, point stands.

          Your market will never believe you if you beg for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex65
    a respectable writer knows that the date of delivery is essential.
    pay them before or sometimes pay half before and the rest upon delivery.
    if I am happy with your work I will speak well of you, will guide.
    best to choose a reputable writer.
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanLB
    You'll have to update your screening process. you are probably not paying much from the sounds of it. To get better and more dedicated talent you'll have to pay more. If you aren't willing to pay more, you'll probably have to go through a content agency so that they can manage the writers for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Originally Posted by wizard12 View Post

    What's the solution mates?
    I am looking for a pro and perfect writer who really fulfills his/her promises. Do you know any?

    Thanks.
    Maybe it's just me, but it kinda weird that you ask a question and have
    received several suggestions and comments but never one "thanks" nor
    any response from you. I think that your clients are learning from you.
    Birds of a feather, flock together.

    -Ray Edwards
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Whisonant
    If a prospective client comes to me and says he or she needs 10 articles on a specific subject and needs them fast I refuse to take them on as a client. Here is why.

    1. When someone comes to me with a writing assignment I ask them questions about. it. I want to make sure what I write meets their expectations.

    2. I take the time needed to research the subject correctly.

    3. I usually then ask the client more questions. Usually do you want... or do you want this type of questions.

    4. If the word count is going to be over 500 words or so, I outline the article. I then send that outline to the client for approval, modification or discussion.

    5. I may ask the client some last minute questions.

    6. I write the article, blog post, ebook etc.

    7. If it is a high word count assignment I may send the client portions or sections so they can check the voice and approach I am using. If they don't like it, I want to know now before I write the entire thing. I would rather write a small section over than the entire project.

    All of the above take time. In some cases considerable time. I'm also not cheap. If you want fast and don't care about the quality, just use a content mill and add to the pollution already on the net. If you want high quality content that people actually WANT to read, spend the money and give the writer all the time they need to deliver a great product to you.

    If you need a constant flow of articles, consider finding and using multiple quality writers.

    That is my 2 cents on this matter.

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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I have read all the other posts here and now time to add my thoughts to the mix as a writer myself.
    I have regular clients and I also pick up additional work here and there.
    My regulars know how I work. With all new clients I ask a LOT of questions and want as much info from you as the client.

    As an example, I was just commissioned to write 20 reviews.
    I gave the person my quote, at a discounted rate for a bulk order, and received payment straightaway. I always get paid 100% upfront and the only people who didn't like that were a bit suspicious, in my eyes, because of comments they made anyway. I advise when the job will be finished (and add a slight buffer to account for unexpected things happening). I have several sites with testimonials so people can see I exist and am not a shoddy writer.

    I am not cheap BUT you pay more for quality you don't even need to check. I do tell people to check in case there are issues I don't know about.
    In a set of 20 I do the first one and send it to the client for feedback to ensure I'm on the right track. If I am (and I generally am), I proceed with the rest of the work.

    I refuse jobs if I can't get sufficient information because some clients can't explain what they want, whether it's by email or Skype.

    I hope that helps you in your quest for good writers.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I disagree with Jamie. I have some regulars. Several give me a set number per month. One gets me to write as much or as little as I want. Others give me work whenever they have it but I still regard them as regulars.
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      You can't disagree with a fact.

      You can say it's not the way you work, but you can't disagree it's possible to do as you please if a client can be replaced straight away.

      Are you saying you would give priority to a client who only sent you 2 jobs per month if one who had been sending you 20 for the last few years had something important come up, even if you could replace the former if they got annoyed?
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      • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
        Originally Posted by fin View Post

        You can't disagree with a fact.

        You can say it's not the way you work, but you can't disagree it's possible to do as you please if a client can be replaced straight away.

        Are you saying you would give priority to a client who only sent you 2 jobs per month if one who had been sending you 20 for the last few years had something important come up, even if you could replace the former if they got annoyed?

        OK, Jamie. You make a valid point. However, I disagree about your comment regarding priorities. If the client giving me 2 jobs per month is a regular, they get my attention just as much as the client giving me 20 jobs a month. I can have 5-6 jobs on the go and I break jobs down and I quote deadlines based on what is happening at that time. My regulars appreciate my communication and are always flexible, except for the odd occasion where something is needed urgently and that's when I may push them to the top of the list.

        I rarely get rid of clients unless they cause me lots of problems. I can say with all honesty that once accepted, I have only ever fired a client twice, both times for very good reasons.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    How the heck does romance come into this?
    I run my business by treating all my clients with the respect I expect in return.
    I have no idea if you're a writer or something else completely...but it seems odd that you call me a romantic.
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      It wasn't an insult.

      Have you never worked with companies where you have to fight with them to show who is boss?

      If you don't, they'll step all over you just because they can.

      Nothing personal; it's just business, and they're masters of it (or they try to be).

      I'm a semi-retired writer.
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    • Profile picture of the author @tjr
      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      How the heck does romance come into this?
      I run my business by treating all my clients with the respect I expect in return.
      I have no idea if you're a writer or something else completely...but it seems odd that you call me a romantic.
      You see the world (or at least want to talk about it here for the purpose of marketing yourself) through Rose colored glasses, at least in fin's opinion.

      You mention above that you were just commissioned to write 20 reviews. Have you used all 20 products that you will be writing on?
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I didn't think it was an insult but was surprised at it.
    If you're talking about life "pre-writer" status, I had numerous jobs where I had to fight to show who is boss.

    I have been working as a writer for 6 years now and I rarely fight with a client. If it gets to that stage, I fire the client because I am my own boss and I don't needed the additional stress.

    I had a client who was a lawyer. He thought he knew it all...I did eventually fire him for complicated reasons.
    I saw him advertising in the bidding sites for a decent writer/editor and found none. Then he came back begging to me but I did not want his stresses on my shoulders so I didn't work with him again.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I don't need to market myself here at the moment. I am merely trying to help the OP.

    Regarding my reviews...I'm a ghost writer and what my client does with the material is his choice so me using or not using different things has no bearing on this.

    I am glad I am off to bed now...you can all chat among yourselves now.
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    • Profile picture of the author @tjr
      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      Regarding my reviews...I'm a ghost writer and what my client does with the material is his choice so me using or not using different things has no bearing on this.
      That's not what you just tried to present yourself as: a writer who won't take on a client unless you're asking them multiple questions, multiple times. You just gave off the impression that you want to know exactly what a client needs, exactly what they need you to write and why. After all, isn't that the point of interviewing a potential new client?

      I'm confused, now that you're called out (because, as I'm sure you know, writing reviews for products you don't use is a big no no and becoming more so as they're cracked down on) you're hoping to recant and imply that you just write some words and give it to the client, and they do whatever with the work?

      Uh-uh. You aren't going to play it two ways here. You're either the guy that gets intricately involved in his client's needs (and now, by your own admission, writing reviews for a current project that you aren't qualified to write and going to let someone probably just as unqualified publish under their name) or you're just a guy who puts words in a .doc file and sends them on their way without either the knowledge or the care to know what it's about and what it's used for.
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        Let me add to your confusion. Let's say I'm a writer. A client comes to me and says, Hey, I need a review about product x. I bought one last month and I like that it's square and soft but other than that it sucks. Here are the 3 main things I hate about it.

        Why can't I, the writer, put all that into a nice review? Why can't my client, publish that under his/her name?

        Why do I, the writer, have to have used the product?

        Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

        That's not what you just tried to present yourself as: a writer who won't take on a client unless you're asking them multiple questions, multiple times. You just gave off the impression that you want to know exactly what a client needs, exactly what they need you to write and why. After all, isn't that the point of interviewing a potential new client?

        I'm confused, now that you're called out (because, as I'm sure you know, writing reviews for products you don't use is a big no no and becoming more so as they're cracked down on) you're hoping to recant and imply that you just write some words and give it to the client, and they do whatever with the work?

        Uh-uh. You aren't going to play it two ways here. You're either the guy that gets intricately involved in his client's needs (and now, by your own admission, writing reviews for a current project that you aren't qualified to write and going to let someone probably just as unqualified publish under their name) or you're just a guy who puts words in a .doc file and sends them on their way without either the knowledge or the care to know what it's about and what it's used for.
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        • Profile picture of the author @tjr
          Originally Posted by DABK View Post

          Let me add to your confusion. Let's say I'm a writer. A client comes to me and says, Hey, I need a review about product x. I bought one last month and I like that it's square and soft but other than that it sucks. Here are the 3 main things I hate about it.

          Why can't I, the writer, put all that into a nice review? Why can't my client, publish that under his/her name?

          Why do I, the writer, have to have used the product?
          If Laurence wants to provide proof, public or otherwise, that your outlined scenario is the case, then I'll recant my statement. Otherwise, I'm calling him out and sticking to it.
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          • Profile picture of the author DABK
            I don't see why he'd need to provide proof. Providing proof that he works the way he does has no bearing on what he said about how he accepts clients.

            If he does it the way I suggested can be done, is the more honest way. Maybe he uses the products. I don't know.

            But he stated he does not accept clients who won't provide him the info he wants. He never stated that he does not take on clients based on what they do with the material he writes for them.


            Originally Posted by @tjr View Post

            If Laurence wants to provide proof, public or otherwise, that your outlined scenario is the case, then I'll recant my statement. Otherwise, I'm calling him out and sticking to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author dawoodkhan97
    It depends on who the content writer is..
    I always go with someone who has plentiful reviews and testimonials.
    Then ask for some of their work or samples.
    Pay half now and half when completed.
    This way it works better for me.

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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I don't have to explain or justify what I do with each client. Services provided by different people vary. I am not going to get into mud slinging so I won't be replying to any more of tjr's posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ed LMT
    I put writers on a payout schedule like any other employees that work for me. I pay them twice a month like everyone else. Not sure why you would have to pay anyone in advance?
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      You pay them in advance if they're not your employees, like you pay so many other types of contractors.

      Originally Posted by Ed LMT View Post

      I put writers on a payout schedule like any other employees that work for me. I pay them twice a month like everyone else. Not sure why you would have to pay anyone in advance?
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      Originally Posted by Ed LMT View Post

      I put writers on a payout schedule like any other employees that work for me. I pay them twice a month like everyone else. Not sure why you would have to pay anyone in advance?
      Do they still submit invoices and you pay them on a certain day, or are they members of staff?

      I think OP wants random articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author marguerite
    Paying in advance is a bad idea unless you have a long term and very strong relationship with that writer. I've only had such issue with a couple of writers I hired on digitalpoint forum. I also hired an agency form that forum and they were very good, cheap and fast cheap ... until they raised their price!

    After that I went back to writing for myself. The quality is excellent but it's also extremely expensive and quite slow
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  • Profile picture of the author wolvina
    Originally Posted by wizard12 View Post

    Hello All,

    What's the solution mates?
    I am looking for a pro and perfect writer who really fulfills his/her promises. Do you know any?

    Thanks.

    Hi Wizard,

    Last night I was reading your thread and all the replies.
    Now I checked again and the situation is the same:

    ANY of them gave you an recommendation, just advises,
    do this, do that etc.

    So I decided to give you my tip.
    I am using a writing service and I am very happy with this.
    Every time I need an article written, rewritten or an review,
    I reach to them.

    What are the benefits?
    #1 good quality
    #2 fast delivery, 2 days or so...
    #3 writer gets the money after you have approved the text
    #4 possibility to
    approve,
    request modification (as many times as you like),
    download article,
    download article with spin tag and
    upload article to WP blog.

    So, I am recommending this service to you, because I have only the best experience myself.

    Here is the link: check it out if you like!
    (btw, it is my aff link)

    Happy Thanksgiving!
    Wolvina
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Not because you're an affiliate for them? Not even a lill' bit?

      Originally Posted by wolvina View Post




      So, I am recommending this service to you, because I have only the best experience myself.

      Here is the link:
      Wolvina
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  • Profile picture of the author lavanyauj
    hi,i am a freelance content writer since one year, i assure you to reach the deadline you provided with high quality content possible. I can offer error free quality content and acquires your task with prompt and accurate deadline. I can provide samples of my before work and you can mail me at jsl77199@gmail.com
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Your writing is stilted and has mistakes in this post; your writing will be stilted in the 'quality content' you will provide.

      It's "I", " since one year" doesn't work well in English: I've been a writer since last year.

      I'll leave it to you to figure out why and acquires your task with prompt deadline doesn't work.
      Plus, content writer?

      Originally Posted by lavanyauj View Post

      hi,i am a freelance content writer since one year, i assure you to reach the deadline you provided with high quality content possible. I can offer error free quality content and acquires your task with prompt and accurate deadline. I can provide samples of my before work and you can mail me at jsl77199@gmail.com
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